Zakaridicule: Newsweek Editor Compares Huckabee to Ahmadinejad

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Mike Huckabee’s declaration that we need to amend the Constitution to be in line with God’s standards easily drives secular liberals into a frenzy. On CNN’s Late Edition on Sunday, CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin called that statement in conflict with "all of American constitutional history." Newsweek International editor Fareed Zakaria was more blunt: "It frankly made him sound more like Ahmadinejad of Iran."

From the CNN transcript:

MIKE HUCKABEE: But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God, and that's what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards, rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.

WOLF BLITZER: He wants constitutional amendments, just to be precise, that would ban abortion and same-sex marriage.

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Well, yes. And that is not a particularly out-of-the-mainstream view. I mean, there are a lot of Republicans who want to amend the Constitution in that way, though, there is not a great deal of support outside the right wing of the Republican Party on that. But the way Huckabee expressed himself is really in conflict with about 225 years, that is all of American constitutional history. The Constitution is a document that is supposed to allow all religions to flourish, or people who don't believe in religion to flourish. And, you know, he later backed off that expression. But I mean, it's just an indication. He's a very conservative candidate.

FAREED ZAKARIA: It frankly made him sound more like Ahmadinejad of Iran. I mean, the way in which he was describing, you know, implementing God's law -- I mean, isn't that where we get scared off, when we hear it from Iranians and Saudis?

(Hat tip: Damian G)

Why is it that supposedly educated people like Zakaria cannot make the most elementary distinctions between American democrats and Middle Eastern tyrants? Did he go to Yale? Or do they teach you to hate God so much at Yale that you can't think in a straight line?

But this is common among journalists who find "God talk" not only uncomfortable, but menacing. Raised in a Muslim house and a Christian school, Zakaria told the Village Voice he found the role of token Muslim explainer in the American media slightly uncomfortable. "I occasionally find myself reluctant to be pulled into a world that's not mine, in the sense that I'm not a religious guy." He tried to claim he was a centrist, appalled at how moderate people were "an increasingly embattled phenomenon in a country with a president talking about intelligent design."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Sorry, but any time I hear

Sorry, but any time I hear someone who wants to be the president say "amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards," I get really, really nervous.

ridiculous

That's ridiculous. Context and intent are everything.

Is it scary to think that the Founding Fathers also worked to line up our government and its principles with standards and innate human value that came from God?

Millions of Americans are pro-life because we believe that human life has value that comes from God, at conception. The fact that a Constitutional ammendment to protect that life flows from our values is just as consistant as desiring to have an amendment that ended slavery and protected the civil rights of all citizens, regardless of race.

It's the idea of a natural law, that flows from God, that is imprinted on all of humankind and by which our sense of morality exists.

The comparison to Ahmadinejad, coming from a Newsweek editor, is one of the most outrageous and unfair statements that I've heard this campaign.

Why is it that supposedly educated people like Zakaria cannot make the most elementary distinctions between American democrats and Middle Eastern tyrants? Did he go to Yale? Or do they teach you to hate God so much at Yale that you can't think in a straight line?

Exactly. 

Huckabee has been quite clear that the only two areas that he supports a Constitutional amendment are abortion and definition of marriage. For the rest of you (in posts below) to imply he desires a theocracy is just fear-mongering and ignorant, or just plain stupid. You don't have to like the guy or support him, but it is intellectually dishonest to say what you're saying and you're doing the exact same thing you supposedly hate to see the liberal media do.

Let's not be hypocrites. Conservatives are supposed to be smarter than that.

 

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I've been told that context

I've been told that context and intent don't mean anything. Is that true here?

→ context and intent

Seems we're more scared of the boogeyman than context and intent.

We're feeding off of each others' braggadocio.  There are a bunch of Republican voters out there that see us as a bunch of cloistered elitists ready to boycott anything that isn't exactly according to our highly principled standards.

Stay home on election day if McCain's the nominee?  My how principled we are. 

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balboa, Given your

balboa,

Given your discussion in the Jacobson thread, I thought your question here was pretty clever.

Thank you! I was hoping

Thank you! I was hoping someone would notice that. ;-)

If as our founding documents

If as our founding documents say "We are endowed by our CREATOR with
certain inalienable rights", what's your problema dude? The bible was
the template for the constitution in the first place.

While I would support an

While I would support an amendment banning abortion and same sex marriage, I like others here get a little concerned when I hear politicians talk like Huckabee.

Maybe Hillary or Obama's version of God's word is different from mine. If we get a Muslim president is he going to want the constitution to conform to the Koran? No, the way the founders set the constitution up is just fine.

Of course, new rights can always be found through the courts like the right to abortion was.

There is none so blind as they that won’t see. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

  Well the liberals have an

  Well the liberals have an easier method of changing the Constitution to their liking.   They say it should be a 'living' document, open to 'modern' interpretation.

Seems to me the founding

Seems to me the founding fathers used a great deal of input from God's teachings when they laid out the Constitution. That Huckabee doesn't know this says volumes about his candidacy.

Clearly having been a

Clearly having been a governor for ten years, Huck knows a lot more
about the constitution than you do. If you take his comments in context
you'll discover in your ignorance that he was referring to the issues
that have been interpreted "extra-constitutionally", like
abortion and homosexual marriage. These were both forbidden by every
common sense understanding of who the framers were and what they
believed in and more importantly what they would have been REPULSED by!

And it's Huck-a-boo-hoo's

And it's Huck-a-boo-hoo's record as Arkansas Governor that is very troubling.

Granted, you can take what he's said several ways, but if you're gonna make statements like Huckster has, you need to speak more clearly. This guy is just ramblin' on.

I favor a Constitutional Amendment stating marriage is between a man and a woman. I also favor civil unions. I favor a Constitutional Amendment declaring English our official language.

From previous posts, I know you are keen on homosexuals. The way I look at it is they are human beings and deserve the same dignity that we give all men and women. Jesus said love the sinner, but hate the sin. That's pretty good advise.

Like I said, I do not like Huckabee, no way no how. Of course with his less than stellar showings, he and Fred Thompson seem to be in a race to see who drops out first anyway!

 We know CCCPNN, Huck's an

 We know CCCPNN, Huck's an idiot, but just last month you guy's were singing his praises and are partly responsible for why he's still in the race, so dont' cry now. Huck want's to amend the constitution and be a high priest in a theocracy. You guy's want to do away with the constitution. Im only confused as to who play's the useful idiot here, the mainstream media or Huck.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Again, you're doing the

Again, you're doing the exact same thing you supposedly hate to see the liberal media do - you're guilty of the kind of distortion that caused this site to exist in the first place.

Just sad.

Oppose the man all you like. But do it honestly, fairly, and without stooping to the levels of the liberal bloggers. We're supposed to be better than that.

 

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 Excuse me Mike, but those

 Excuse me Mike, but those are my interpretation's of what the media is saying and thinking about Huckabee and not my own thought's at all. Maybe before you start finger wagging and accusing people of being hypocrites you could brush up on recognizing humor or sarcasm another problem liberal's have.

The fact is I dont' do much thinking about Huckabee at all, but I certainly have a problem with a man that changes his policies and tries to reinvent himself on a daily basis, consistency is everything. No matter what the consensus is on his religion stance or what was said it still wont' change the fact the man's an idiot.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

Huckabee lost me when I

Huckabee lost me when I realized he helped get a Mexican consulate built in Arkansas.  There are now at least 47 of those in the US and their main purpose is to assist illegal aliens avoid deportation and further Mexican Manifest Destiny.   They are colonial outpost designed to keep Mexico's millions loyal to Mexico City while colonizing the U.S.

Huckabee would probably make a great Pastor and next door neighbor.  I suspect he would be quite entertaining at the local cookout. An all around nice guy.

But I do not think he needs to be President.

Even though I was a

Even though I was a supporter of the guy, Huckabee lost me with his
support for the confederate flag and his turn towards the Nazi wing of
the party in regards to immigration.

If
"kicking all illegals out" had been his stance from the beginning, I
could "feel him" on that. But to have stated the exact opposite so
passionately and then to turn around to curry favor with extremists, I
find this troubling. To not understand the racist history of the
confederacy let alone it's flag is BEYOND troubling, it's
disqualifying.  Bye Huck, go McCain! 

You realize the first

You realize the first person to use the NAZI reference immediately loses the argument, don't you?

As far as the Confederate flag, it has historic meaning to those in the south, Heck, a Confederate flag flew over Texas briefly. But the flag you and others are getting their knickers in a bunch over, is the flag, or should I say a variation of one of the battle flags the Confederate forces carried.

The actual "National Flag" underwent some changes, and in the end, used the battle flag's theme on it's final one. The first Confederate flag bore a resemblance to the American flag.

I know you'd love to say everyone that's had contact with the flag is evil, but to the vast majority of southern folks, it just represents history. Again, sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar.

What is unfortunate, is a bunch of the Hitler youth (you brought him up first!) have "appropriated" the flag as their own, knowing the NAZI flag would create too big of a mess. My point is this, don't put everyone that has a Confederate flag in the same nice neat little box.

As far as illegal immigration is concerned, it's a heck of a lot bigger problem than "climate change!" We are being invaded, clear and simple. These unwanted "guests" take, take, take. Legal immigration is a whole 'nuther story. The process should be streamlined so it doesn't take forever to get in LEGALLY.

If you favor leaving our borders unchecked, then you would, ironically, be on the side of the Confederate Army back in the day. The illegals will work for below minimum wage. For all intents and purposes we have legalized slavery today.

Illegals also commit horrific crimes, get enrolled in our welfare system and so on. It's not practical to send 'em all home. But it is very practical to round up the criminals and punish them to the max. It is very possible to make the penalties for hiring, housing, or in any major way doing business with them, a felony with some jail time. If you make it where they cannot make a living, they will self-deport, which is already happening.

You can also built a fence along our border. Strengthen our border guards, and back them up when they shoot a drug dealer. THAT'S how you fix the problem. Now if the illegals go home, they can get in line with the rest, and apply for a work visa.

That's a very straightforward workable plan.

 

Excuse me Mike, but those

Excuse me Mike, but those are my interpretation's of what the media is saying and thinking about Huckabee and not my own thought's at all. 

Well, then you have my apologies. I read your post and was responding to this line: "Huck want's to amend the constitution and be a high priest in a theocracy."

If I misunderstood your intend there and attributed that to you incorrectly then I'm sorry - that was just how it read to me. You're saying you don't believe that's true?

But I still disagree with the statement that he's an idiot.

 

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 "Huck want's to amend the

 "Huck want's to amend the constitution and be a high priest in a theocracy."

....as interperated by the media.

Apology accepted.

Now I dont' believe the man's an idiot intellectually but alot of the thing's he's done and said these last few month's are certainly idiotic.

I took the liberty to visit your blog and see why this particular thread may have raised your ire a bit, your a vigorous Huckabee supporter. Nothing wrong with that, it's a free country. 

 Just one more thing though. As far as anyone here at NB doing what liberal's do and us conservatives being better and smarter than that, Huck's not a conservative. He's an evangelical Jimmy Carter just waiting to happen and the only reason he's still in the race posing as a conservative is because like McCain he appeal's to liberal's and the msm also. He's what they want thier guy or gal to debate against after the primaries.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

                   - Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

                               " The Cake is a lie."   

I took the liberty to visit

I took the liberty to visit your blog and see why this particular thread may have raised your ire a bit, your a vigorous Huckabee supporter. Nothing wrong with that, it's a free country.  

Yes I am. 

Now I dont' believe the man's an idiot intellectually but alot of the thing's he's done and said these last few month's are certainly idiotic.

That's a much fairer way oppose the man, thank you, even if I do disgree.

the only reason he's still in the race posing as a conservative is because like McCain he appeal's to liberal's and the msm also. He's what they want thier guy or gal to debate against after the primaries. 

Actually, the reason he's still in the race is because he is a social conservative in a race where for too long there wasn't anyone holding that mantle.  Social conservatives are just as important to the party as fiscals and national securities, and that was forgotten by those in the lead back in early/mid '07.

Plus, he's a superb communicator and a genuinely likable guy. If he didn't have those communication skills and the kind of personality he had he never would've catapulted from nowheresville in the polls to a first-tier candidate like he has because his message would've been overlooked. And that wasn't the media that did it. It was his performances in the early debates and a grassroots movement that coalesced behind him afterwards. Admittedly, though, it's a tough battle for him now to move forward from where he is, with the South Carolina loss.

 

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Just my understanding

Wasn't the whole "Separation of Church and State" supposed to imply that our leaders should not impliment laws based on their faith? I have no problem when a politician talks about their faith and how it guides them as individuals, but when it comes to policy, it is to be for the people, not for God.

jay_1975: I am no fan of

jay_1975:

I am no fan of Huckabee.  I was a Duncan Hunter / Tom Tancredo man, but they both dropped out.  Not sure what I am gonna do now. (cry?)

But I can't just leave your " Separation of Church and State" comment alone.

The Founders did not want a theocracy.  They did not want another "Church of Engalnd" or another "Holy Roman Empire".

But this notion of total separation is bogus.

 " Separation of Church and State" You might read about it in context here :  http://www.newsbusters.org/node/13539

I also suggest you read the last paragraph of the US constitution, just before the signatories  " Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven ..."

Don't tell me that is just the way they talked.  If the framers had meant for "separation of Church and State " the way the left applies it, they would have followed the French model and just tried to go with a whole new dating system.

 

Maybe you misunderstood

The separation is to protect the people from a theocracy. The Ten Commandments in a court are fine with me, but saying that the costitution should be changed to reflect God's laws is wrong. Allow me to play Devil's advocate here: What if a Muslim congressman wanted to impliment a law that was based on the Quaran? Say the law was fair, but was based on the teachings of the Quaran. Would the people have a problem with that? I think they would. Our government and country are based on the assumption that we are all equal under God. That being said, as equals (Christians, Muslims, Jews etc...) we are all to be treated fairly. Is it fair to impose a Christian belief on a Muslim? Our country and our laws are to be based on the common good, not the good of one group. I do not support total separation, just a separation from church and policy. If we do not have that, then the laws could change every time we have a President or other politician of a different faith. The good of the people as a whole comes before a politicains religion.

The importance of the Bill of Rights

For the sake of this discussion, we can say that religions have (1) beliefs, and also (2) officials who judge what conforms to those beliefs. The idea behind separation of church and state is that religious officials have no authority over civil law. However, religious beliefs have an important place in public affairs. 

  • You’ve probably heard it said that plain democracy is majority rule, which means that the majority of two wolves and one sheep can vote on what’s for dinner. To protect the majority from simply abusing the minority, our constitutional system has the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights sets strict boundaries about where new laws can and cannot go.

  • If your new law doesn’t violate any of the amendments in the Bill of Rights, you can advocate for any public policy, based on any principle you like, whether it’s religious, economic, philosophical, or whatever. Within the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, you can stand up and argue for any principle, religious or otherwise, and if the majority agrees with you, it becomes law. That allows each community to live the lifestyle they want. A law that gets a majority in Manhattan may not get a majority in Missouri, and that’s OK.

  • For example, prostitution is not a right, and it certainly isn’t protected by the Bill of Rights.  Therefore, if you want to shut down all the whorehouses because they promote the sin of prostitution, you are perfectly free to argue for it. And if you get a majority, you can pass the law. If you don’t get a majority, as they don’t in Nevada, then your law doesn’t pass. The clarity of the Bill of Rights is important. So long as your proposal doesn’t violate the Bill, you can advocate anything you want.

That wasn’t good enough for liberals, however. They wanted to stamp out any local beliefs (i.e., by the hayseeds) that they didn’t feel were sophisticated or “progressive” enough. In the first half of the twentieth century, liberal justices began misinterpreting (deliberately, I think) the meaning of the “due process” clauses in the fifth and fourteenth amendment, and the “equal protection’ clause in the fourteenth. Those legal inventions blur the line on what the Bill of Rights allows. And, with the line blurred, the justices targeted any law that didn’t fit in with their “progressive” view on how life should be lived.

Originally, it was used to attack racial discrimination. Then sexual discrimination. With that, most Americans didn’t object. But then the liberals, like children with a new toy, went on the warpath. They launched an attack to promote “progressive” ideas, on a whole range of topics: sex, lifestyle, environment, and so on. Who opposed them? It was traditionalists, mainly found among religious people, who objected to the attack on traditional institutions. That’s when the liberals began promoting the idea that the separation of church and state demanded that religions have to stay out of the discussion. That’s when liberals used the media to propagandize religion out of politics. They don’t like the opposition.

I have never wanted a

I have never wanted a Republican to loose as much as I want Huckabee to loose.  And I am a Baptist.

Unfortunately Duncan Hunter has dropped out, so I am not sure who I will vote for.

As far as abortion goes, it was the Supreme Court in 73 that basically UnConstitutionally amended the Constitution and created a "right' to murder the unborn. 

Now some on the the left want Judges to interpert the Constitution based on "emerging international opinion."  The "emerging international opinion" is that "free speech" should not exist if it "offends" certain groups.

I found this great Anti- abortion website a while back.  They say a picture is worth a thousand words.  This is what abortion looks like. http://www.abort73.com/

Leave the Constitution alone.

I am quite sure the changes this man is wanting to make to our most important national document would require the convening of a Constitutional Convention. Given the times we live in, as well as the contempt so many on the left have for certain provisions written in said document, I believe it would be highly dangerous to kick that hornet's nest over, particularly with the democrats currently holding a majority in the Congress. God only knows what sort of underhanded maneuvers the left would undertake to alter the one thing that ensures the continuation of our hard won rights.

If there are any changes to be made to the Constitution, let that change center around the outright repeal of the 16th Amendment, nothing more.

As for Huckabee, if he desires to reside in a theocracy, then he can relocate to Saudi Arabia.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

You are right about a

You are right about a Constitutional Convention being a potential disaster.  They would go after the second amendment in a heartbeat. And maybe gut the "free speech" portion of the first if it was "hate speech."

But a convention is not necessary to amend the Constitution.  2/3 of both houses can propose the Amendment and 3/4 of the States approve it. 

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A5.html

alamojb,

My suspicions are that Huckabee's designs on the Constitution range a little farther than merely adding a few amendments. I have serious reservations about this man, as his support for the Fair Tax is the only thing that makes him of any value as a candidate. Most everything else he says leaves me underwhelmed, and I am a Baptist. What is worse is that I am a Southern Baptist. However, I have a rather strong libertarian streak in me, as I firmly believe this country was founded by people who were essentially libertarians themselves.

Most Christians I know are fine, upstanding people who go about their daily lives and pretty much mind their own business, and who would literally give you the shirt off their back if they thought it would help. However, there is a group of Christian's among us who cannot seem to keep their noses out of anyone's business, and who would dearly love to get their hands on the reins of power in this country, and use the power of government to force me to live by their intrepretation of the Bible. I refer to these seriously misguided people as zealots. There are a few of them around here, as well. These people scare me to the point that, If I am ever in a voting booth and the choice is between a democrat and a theocrat, I will be pulling the lever for the dem.

I realize that comparing Huckabee to that loose cannon over in Iran was a little over the top, but I cannot honestly say that I completely disagree with the sentiment behind the statement.

There is something about Mike Huckabee that I find unsettling, and his vague assertions about wanting to make "changes" to the Constitution unsettle me even more.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Huckabee reminds me of....

the man selling the Miracle Manna, Peter Popoff.  He is a con-artist selling people hope to control their feelings. He is taking advantage of the Christian Right, like Peter Popoff is taking advantage of African-Americans.   

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Distinctions

Zakaria goes in exactly the opposite direction as Huckabee, but he's guilty of the same confusion as Huckabee. Neither seems to grasp the distinction between religion and civil law. Where Huckabee's quotes seem to argue that civil law must conform to religion, Zakaria seems to reject any relationship between religion and civil law. Both are wrong. It isn't all or neither.

I remember an article by Thomas Freidman of the New York Times after Bush won re-election. Basically, he took it for granted that you were supposed to leave your religion behind when you voted. Friedman was shocked to discover, he said, that fellow Americans didn't do the same. It was a further shock that his fellow Americans didn't "know" they were "supposed to." In Friedman's view, religious freedom means that religion has no place in the voting booth. Zakaria has that same perspective. For him, religion should never trespass into public policy. For him, religion is a strictly private affair, something to keep to yourself.

There's nothing wrong with upholding your religious values, so long as you recognize the political right of everyone else to advocate their own values. The task is to show how your religious principles translate into public policies that everyone can support. You can do both, so long as you respect the distinction between religion and civil law. Huckabee's quotes suggest he didn't respect that distinction well enough, but Zakaria's attitude is that the distinction is impossible. Zakaria apparently doesn't understand the difference, certainly not any better than the Huckabee he's criticizing.

Arkansas Education

Apparently Arkansas education is as void as morality in the Clinton households.

The Constitution was and is based completely upon the Word of God as others have noted. The Founders were all very spiritual people and most do not know the United States was spoken of a New Israel. This entire understanding of "God's Purpose" being worked out here was well known until Lincoln's time.

Mr. Huckabee needs to understand that it is not the Constitution which needs to be changed, but the lying, cheating, sloven Americans who can see sodomy and aborticide in that document, but never see LIFE and MORALITY IN IT.

The Ammendments Mr. Huckabee do not state Freedom of sodomy and aborticide, but Freedom of religion.

It is politicians who are allowing dupes like Toobin to prattle on spouting ignorance, because the politicians know as little as Toobin about Constitutional law and it's direct link to the Word of God.

As for linking Huckabee to Ahmadinejad. It was a cheap trick as most liberal taunts are. Toobin should be fired and made to apologize for the slander.

 

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Yet another moronic statement..

by yet another moron.

     It is crystalline clear to me that this particular moron knows NOTHING about Imadinnajacket.

Happy Trails...

AMEN Cherry! AMEN!

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→ Makes no sense, Lame

A coequal branch of Government is held by Liberals for over a generation, legislating and "interpreting" the Constitution from the bench, and Huckabee is an idiot for believing the Constitution should be amended to correct the Liberal interpretation of a "living document".

I'm just wondering what amendments he's proposing that are contrary to the Constitution as written. 

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Cool...You seem to be

Cool...You seem to be referring to the U.S. Supreme Court.  If so, would you please identify all of those "Liberals" who have controlled it for "over a generation".

I'll spot you the two Justices [Breyer and Ginsberg] who have been appointed by Democratic presidents in the past forty years. 

Your turn.

Jer

→ What's the diff Jer

I don't care who appointed them, most get browbeaten into conforming to the "getalong gang" once at the bench.

Take a look at how disgustingly the Liberals treat Clarence Thomas because of what he represents?

A great deal of blame belongs to the Republicans who will play getalong at the drop of the first insinuation (Robert Bork) rather than stand up for what is right.

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A better question to ask

"Why is it that supposedly educated people like Zakaria cannot make the
most elementary distinctions between American democrats and Middle
Eastern tyrants?"

One could just as easily ask why it is that some conservatives have such difficulty understanding why some of us---who treasure America's heritage as a multicultural society with a secular government that protects the rights of people of all persuasions---see disturbing similarities between Muslim theocrats and certain American Christians who have theocratic tendencies.

 

AD, the United States is not a "multi-cultural" country.

Multi-ethnic, yes, but not multi-cultural. Multi-cultural countries have historically broken up into smaller countries (such as Yugoslavia) or worse, disappeared from the face of the earth (see Roman Empire).

This country is based on one culture. American culture. It will not survive any other way (see Mexican Invasion).

You are also incorrect in your statement that this government protects the rights of all persuasions. This is utter nonsense. The left in this country derives its political power solely by dividing people up into groups by race, gender, sexual orientation, etc., and then awarding more rights to some groups than to others. Then they stand back and observe the carnage and later rush in, vowing to "correct the imbalance." An imbalance purposely created by them.

Until this nonsensical mode of operation is halted, and we are all recognized as individuals who have the same rights across the board, this country will continue to accelerate along the destructive path it has set for itself.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

RDH

You've written two of the most cogent posts I've read on NB all day just in this thread. Very well said, and thanks!

:-)

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

So your position is what?

So your position is what? That the US constitution should never be amended? Oh, I get it. That it should only be amended to 'liberals' and or 'secularists' satisfaction. Stop the press.

You do understand what it takes to amend the Constitution. Or maybe you think the President just wakes up one day and issues an Executive Order.

While we are on the subject, I don't see any reference in the United States Constitution to "multi-culturalism" whatever the hell that means. I see a document whose purpose was to mold a single Constitutional Republic with a common theme and purpose, whist carefully balancing State and individual rights within a Federal structure.

However as you bring up "heritage" lets see what you mean.

There's lots of things in the American "heritage," such as immigrants ditching allegiences to their former countries; learning to speak English; and integrating into the Judeo-Christian, English common law culture upon which America was founded.

In fact, THAT IS THE AMERICAN HERITAGE. Not some PC crap about "multi-culturalism." That's an invention of washed-up liberals from the 1960s.

What I see are disturbing similarities beween American atheists and certain American progessive-socialists who have Stalinist, Nanny State, and State Controlling tendencies.

Of course, one of the heritages that made America was the Agrarian revolution which mechanized farming and the distribution of food. Freeing people being tied to the land like serfs. Thereby increasing life expectency and enabling Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I'm guessing from your pen-name you want to return to the dark ages where peasants fertilized with pig shit and horse manure, as they worked back-breaking labor to produce what they ate.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

CNN not qualified to examine religion

The last entity that should examine anybody's religious views is CNN and its representatives. Insofar as media today largely serves constituencies, CNN serves the secular imperialists who are efforting to ban traditional morality from "decent conversation."

What CNN, ABC, CBS, along with most European states and the UN are asserting is the dominance of non-traditional values as the correct "moral stand." These values include homosexual marriage, no-fault divorce, the demonization of paternalistic family structures, mainstreaming of pornography, prostitution, and drugs along with empathy for criminal behavior.

 This charge may seem strong at first, but if you look at the behavior of UN non-governmental NGOs in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East, it becomes very clear that this is the future thrust of liberal effort to codify their ideology.

Obviously, the MSM cannot outright support those values here in America, so they do their part by marginalizing religion, which serves the same purpose. The goal is for all leftist morality is to be based on empathy for the perp, or moral relativism, not a fixed set of standards such as the Ten Commandments.

The manner in which this manifests in American mainstream media is that when a woman drowns five of her children in Texas, we are deluged with "experts" who absolve her from blame because she was depressed. When terrorists kill over 3,000 innocent civilians on 9/11, we are told that America deserved it.

 There is no right or wrong any longer, which preps the battlefield for the debate in a future effort to install the "morality" of the left mentioned above.

When the constituency media of the left examines religion, it is  reminiscent of Victorian anthropologists studying the sex lives of Polynesians: there is simply no scenario in which the results can be trusted.