Bozell on Tila Tequila, 'Kid Nation,' and Family Guy Ads for Subway

Photo of Tim Graham.

Brent Bozell's culture columns in the last two weeks have tackled some very contemporary topics, from new MTV star Tila Tequila to CBS's "reality" fest "Kid Nation" to Fox's "Family Guy" even working itself into submarine sandwich commercials. The latest column explored how MTV keeps looking for a new sexual barrier to cross on its "reality" shows:  

The twist in the series is that Miss Tequila is bisexual. As the new MTV star tells it, "They found out about my lifestyle, and said ‘How would you feel about putting it on MTV?’" Viacom thought it was time for America’s youth to watch a bisexual dating show. So the show’s plot called for inviting 16 straight men and 16 lesbians to compete for her physical attention. Neither the men nor the women were informed of the other gender’s presence so they could look shocked for the cameras.

In the predictably, painfully tawdry first episode on October 9, one girl contestant announced she was a virgin, to which Tila replied, "My prayer has been answered!" The same woman soon was marching down a runway dressed as a Girl Scout, asking the show’s star: "I’m sweet and innocent. Can I interest you in my cookie?"

This show seemed desperately in need of a writer’s strike. Quality, however, was never necessary. The lack thereof was – and it worked.

It scored first place on cable among MTV’s desired demographic of 18- to 34-year-olds. What Viacom also knows, and had absolutely no qualms about, is that this sex-obsessed show would also play well with junior-high and high-school kids, and grade-school children, too.

Tony DiSanto, MTV’s executive in charge of "series development," promised the show would be a "rollercoaster ride of drama, conflict, and emotion, busting stereotypes and challenging the norm – proving that the rules of attraction are made to be broken."

The most recent episode centered on forcing each of the remaining contestants to eat a bull penis and testicles to win some hot tub time with Miss Tequila. What followed were a series of cheesy references to oral sex. Then the first man and woman to finish that stomach-turning feast moved on to crunching on bull eyeballs, a heart, and a shot of blood. In a nutshell, this is another show designed to shock, shock, shock.

For Thanksgiving week, Brent wrote about how "reality" shows that appeal to kids, from CBS's "Kid Nation" to several nanny shows on ABC and Fox have thrown in bleeped profanities to spice up the brats on each program. After noting that the Parents Television Council has found that most of the top programs for kids are "reality" shows, it remains that Fox's sleazy "Family Guy" and "American Dad" cartoons are also on the hot list. Bozell noted that Peter Griffin, the lead character of "Family Guy," is now selling Subway on television:

Now Fox’s iconic idiot is even making its way into commercials, with Peter the obese title character touting the Subway Feast: "it’s as big as my head." Fox’s army of merchandisers is delighted. "Subway's attitude and irreverence is the perfect platform for the 'Family Guy' brand's trademark twisted humor," said one Vice President for Spinning Off Sleaze.

The latest "Family Guy" plot featured Peter touting how he tattooed his private parts to look like the space shuttle. As for "American Dad," it recently aired an episode with themes of incestuous masturbation. Perhaps Subway can work all that into a commercial, too.

The network chieftains approving all this "adult" TV would assert that it’s unreasonable for parents to think their children aren’t exposed to this kind of "reality" in their daily lives at school or in the neighborhood. But if parents worry about the problem of "monkey see, monkey do," nobody’s a bigger monkey to children than Hollywood.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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riiiiight......

A twenty something woman who has remained a virgin is willing to make sexual advances to a woman on a reality show.

Cause, you know, perveted sex-obsessed dirty talking lesbians save themselves just to talk about it on a TV show. Cleverly done to persuade virgin girls that even prudes act like that with other women.

Lies and the lying liars who lie about them. 

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

Can you say actor, woman,

Can you say actor, woman, money in hand paid to say something.

Just how many things would have had to come together to make up the girl she was representing to be.

This ain't wrestling it's reality TV!

 

Tim...this is GROSS!

I heard Laura Ingraham the other day advocating for "unbundling" of cable channels....and this is the plusperfect reason why it ought to be done.

I know Sarc goes off on the FCC....but we all ought to as well.

I am hardly interested in pubescent bi-sexual children consuming bull testicles for an opportunity at a shot for a teen porn star.

I'd really like the opportunity to eliminate it from the panapoly of channels I'm required to pay for on my cable bill, though.

This is too gross for words.

And thanks, Candance, I'd have not read about this if you hadn't posted, here.

Time to rid the filthy, vile, leftist tripe from our lives.  

Buh-bye cable.   

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Buh-bye cable

I said buh-bye to cable via a TV that stopped working... (divine intervention, perhaps?)

and JJ.... "bull testicles" ??

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

Shy

Read the linked article here.

Disgusting. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

gosh Blond(i)e

Yeah, YUCK..... !

Funny, libs were all over "Rummie's" shock & awe, but they love their shock & awe on the boob-tube.

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

Rather, Shy

So who is more dangerous?

Shock & Awe with bombs & death....or Shock & Awe with Teens & (bi) Sex?

Which one bodes worse for us, as a country? 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

Bodes worse for us?

It's not about "us, as a country"... it's about other people and other countries. I can't believe you're putting yourself and the country you live in first.

Geez, Blonde. Get with the compassionate-left program.

Reminds me of an old friend of mine who told me something his mom would often say, about the mind of so many in today's culture. She calls it:

"Save the whales, and f*** you."

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

Nevah, Shy!

Screw the whales, & save me (and mine).

 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Screw the whales!

Great idea for the next shock-awe reality/porn show!!

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

Don't give them any

Don't give them any ideas!!!!!

That's like asking: "Who

That's like asking: "Who was more dangerouns for France? Napoleon or the Marquis de Sade?

If parents are too authoritatively impotent to keep their kids from watching a show that's on at 9 PM on Sundays (I'm only addressing Family Guy here because I'm unfamiliar with Tila) and every episode of which is preceded by an ominous "Viewer Discretion is Advised" warning, that's their problem.  The show does, admittedly, indulge in relentless boundary-pushing, but it does so in the service of cultural satire.  A tip to those who are so affronted by every other thing the MsM broadcasts: cut the cable altogher already!  

Family Guy is the only TV show in history to be canceled because of a particularly risque episode and then two years later come back on the air because of overwhelming demand. Clearly, something about the show taps into the American consciousness.

OK, but I'm getting off topic. I vote for Shock and Awe being at least 50X worse for the culture, of course.  Hello, we bombed a major city in a sovereign nation?

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

JasonC, Which episode got

JasonC,

Which episode got Family Guy canceled?

I'd read that the show was originally cancelled because of low rating and the low rating were the result of its time slot being shuffled around.

I didn't even know the show existed until about half a year before it was cancelled in 2002 (I think that was the year).

Never thought Family Guy was

Never thought Family Guy was all that funny. Simpsons and South Park are better, IMO. 

balboa, Being someone in

balboa,

Being someone in their 30's, I really dig the cultural referenced from the 70's and 80's - that's what always made Family Guy worth watching.

But over the last two seasons, MacFarlane has gotten into the habit of interjected his preachy liberal views (usually via Brian) into the shows. I still try to catch it, but it's annoying and unnecessary. He has American Dad for that stuff.

Family Guy

The show has been going downhill since it came back. I think the first two seasons while having some risque parts were actually funny and well written. I can't think of too many hilights since the show has come back.

 

Do you realize how much it costs to run for office? More than any honest man could afford. -Montgomery Burns

Hydro, It was the one

Hydro,

It was the one where Peter figures all his money problems will be solved if he gets a Jewish accountant. You're right, the show wasn't doing well anyway, that episode was the last straw that got it canned early. The funny thing is, it's a pretty tame episode by today's standards, and for the most part it mocks people who indulge in Jewish stereotypes, not Jews themselves. I think it's pretty obvious that most of the time Peter Griffin's attitude is being critiqued, not endorsed. Anyway, it was the popularity of the DVDs of the first two seasons that brought the show back (ah, the power of $$$ to mediate righteous indignation).

I think the show is usually quite brilliant but it's also extremely subversive and boundary-pushing in its presentation and you really do have to be okay with a lot of really crass cheap jokes in order to get to the intelligent content. But it's there.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

JasonC, I figured that

JasonC,

I figured that was the episode you were talking about. According to the commentary on one of the DVDs for the show, that episode itself was originally banned (though it is aired now a-days in reruns) but that episode didn't get the entire show cancelled.

I pretty sure it was just crummy rating since no one knew the show was even on.

Hydro, That makes sense,

Hydro,

That makes sense, the idea that it was canceled because of that did feel a little urban legendish. I've never listened to the commentaries. It's funny though, how tame that episode is compared to the one where Peter takes Chris to the Irish museum.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

Too many channels, too little talent

It's been argued that Major League baseball has more teams than major-league caliber talent to staff them.  Likewise, both cable and broadcast TV have far more channels than talented people to program them.  That's one reason why we get all this tripe.  Have you ever noticed how much "original" cable programming consists of lists?  Another problem is the Hollywood types pushing their agendas.

If the marketplace allowed us to pay for only the channels we want, perhaps a lot of this garbage would be starved for funds and die off. 

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

SO...............

How do we get the message across???  Do you suppose Laura I. will be able to beat the drums long and loud enough to get some attention?  This is a matter that should have been addressed long ago. 

Sounds like the usual Democrat plan - have the successful support the losers - REGARDLESS of quality of content!

I just find it a bit ironic

That Brent Bozell often watches raunchier TV than I do, unless you count the endless string of boner-drug commercials. :)

I've always suspected these boner-commercials don't get the scrutiny they'd otherwise get due to pharmaceutical companies' strong political influence. I think there's good proof the constant commercials actually buy good press. Everyone recalls how I tried & abjectly-failed right here on NB to get the shooter's (predicted by me before it was officially revealed) "antidepressant" drug, the dosage prescribed, and the prescribing doc's name, following the VA Tech shooting. Everyone saw that it was mediabias due to big money which made me fail, and I don't mind admitting at this point that I've obviously-failed. I'm still curious if it was big Viagra-money, big Cialis-money, or big Levitra-money that kept the media silent, and I'm still in the dark despite my constant-carping about knowing the calibers, handgun brands, and firearm sources almost-instantly. It's media bias, bought and paid-for by the drug companies. Grrrr.

But I do like the idea of voting with my dollars for the few cable TV stations I'd actually want. Cable-monopolies buying up crooked local politicians is the reason that choice isn't available right-now, IMO, along with the FCC's general one size fits all approach common to all aspects of obese government.
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

I think those are

I think those are disgusting too. Why should anyone have to explain to a child what "erectile dysfunction" is? It was bad enough years ago having to explain to my sons what tampons were (I was very vague, believe me.) I suppose they get away with it because it's a "medical condition"?

I'm all for "unbundling" if that means a "cafeteria-style" cable where you can choose channel-by-chanel, what you want.

So, for the privilege of watching

National Geographic and other family/nature-oriented programs, our monthly fees cover this filth! 

Whenever the "unbundling" movement gets going, I hope someone will post it so we can all join in.  We watch 1/10 of the channels we pay for in our package - and that is obscene!  If a channel doesn't get enough $$ on its own, it shouldn't be offered!

Regardless of the fact that we don't watch it, it sickens me that our young people are being exposed to such trash.  And then we wonder why there seems to be a lack of values in our youth.

Precisely, Cape.

I twigged to this the other day, listening to Laura Ingraham.

Sarc, of course has been telling us this all along, and we've been ignoring him because we don't care for his Ron Paul message.

Shame on us! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde... It's worse than

Blonde... It's worse than you may know. One of the things I got involved in was public broadcasting on local cable channels. We lost the fight but we gave them hell for over 3 years over it. Here's the short version... any local group that has any TV, radio, handheld video camera buffs, cell phone picture takers, or anyone that can draw with a crayon experience, can go to the local authorities to start up public access tv in the local cable market. Your local politicians get the cable companies to give up a channel for free, then the above group can broadcast on it. Here's the kicker, they can broadcast ANYTHING! Public access tv has become the latest porn channel that everyone pays for. First your local politicians give taxpayer money to one of the above groups to start up this new tv channel, then the cable company raises one of their fees to cover thier costs. During the day some of the crappiest programming on earth gets played, then starting around 10:00 pm (depending where you live) it's wall to wall porn til about 3:00 am. And it's some of the sickest porn you have ever seen. The Playboy channle is like watching Sesame Street compared to what you get on public access tv. Like I said, this is the short version, it's actually much worse!  

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

Clear

I had no idea.

I (intrinsically) hate cable....is it any better on Direct TV (sat)?

I'd love to dump cable....but here in So. Fla....the satellite is a tad, um, unpredictable. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde...

I went to Direct TV years ago. Dump cable as fast as you can! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

Why is your Sat

Why is your Sat unpredictable? 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

Clear

Frequent storms....and not tropical ones.

The sat doesn't work too well, even in bad rainstorms.

But I would love to dump my cable! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

Hmmmm, maybe you could talk to Carl Rove about adjusting his weather machine!? 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

Don't think so, Clear

Karl obviously has it tweaked perfectly...no hurricanes in the last two years...to bad Perfessor Bore.

So I can put up with a few minor inconveniences.

Bawahahahah, Global Warming!  My arse. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

It's not just that we all watch 1/10th of them

The cable monopolies sprinkle the interesting ones deliberately among the annoying choices, even when customer convenience would dictate something like "put all the Spanish language stuff in consecutive channels." It's the impudence of monopoly. Unbundling wouldn't end the monopolies, but it would be nice, just the same.

Somewhere in the seldom-seen archives of Reason, there's an article nobody-else read about how competition in this so-called "natural" monopoly in one Colorado city led to (gasp!) better service than nearby cities with monopolies. Politicians on the take from local monopolies, of course, don't like hearing about that particular article...
JMR

Rally online with fans of Dr. Ron Paul.

Unbundling?  Great idea,

Unbundling?  Great idea, but it will never happen.  Cable companies are too greedy.  They figured that the loss of some customers will be less than charging many people for only a few channels.

Hey bretz,

If a bunch of us unsubcribe....they might think about it.

I think I heard ESPN gets like $.35 for each subscriber....while the new & greedy NFL channel wanted $3 & change.  No wonder our cable bills are insane.

But....imagine what your bill would look like if you could pick & choose.....

I'd take:

Food Network; Animal Planet; Military Channel; HGTV; SpeedTV; ESPN: SciFi; FoxNews; CSPAN...and that's about it.

I'd be interested to see how much each of those "cost" per subscriber, per month.

We consumers ought to get over bending over.  It's about time to get active....and in the immortal words of that idiot in the movie...."We're mad as hell...and we're not going to take it any more"! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde

We have NYC Time Warmer Cable here, and it's friggin' highway robbery.

And: SciFi and Animal Planet? Man, you ARE a nerd :p

Mine would be: ESPN, TCM, TNT (gotta have Charles Barkley and co's NBA Tues & Thurs) FoxNews, CNN & MSNBC (just for giggles), Comedy Central (still like Jon) & some PPV (mainly NBA...) but that's about it....

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

Yep, Shy, I am a bit of a nerd

But I forgot TCM, think I had ESPN, tho.  MSNBC, you are correct...for giggles...Morning Joe is rather amusing. 

Other than that...I think I about covered my viewing spectrum.

Well, maybe the Nets for college football...but only for a quarter of the year.  :D

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Not trying to pick a fight,

Not trying to pick a fight, because I think the Tila Tequila show is ridiculous garbage, but the people on the show are adults, not teens. 

I've watched some of Kid Nation, and some of the kids are hilarious, smart, heart-breaking. 

Ugh!

You know what really sucks, Blonde?  I am subjected to that show at work during my lunch breaks as my co-workers ALL love it and think it is great! 

It is all I can do to hold down my food watching this garbage...(that or I just leave) 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

MTV BET SPIKE VH1 =

MTV BET SPIKE VH1 = Chairman Sumner Redstone!!!

 

I'm a refugee from the Democratic Party.

 

Just when you think they

Just when you think they can't get any lower, they exceed your expectations.

The bottom of the barrel has been broken through, and they are scraping the ground underneath.

The description of the Miss Tequila thing was stomach-churning. What's next..cannibalism?

 

Bi-sexual

Bi-sexual cannibalism! 

"Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

I weep for the children in

I weep for the children in this country.

This is why my TV is more often than not, on the Food Network.

mother...

Amen! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ Rush then stated that the conservative was Fred Thompson.

Food Network

Is good for kids.That way they dont turn into a microwave Chef like me.

I support the unbundling

I support the unbundling movement, but I do not support making it a government objective.  If someone wants to start a cable/satellite company that runs off of this business model, I think people would support it.  The religious right has the money and clout to do it, so perhaps they should go ahead.

I do see an advantage in cable being completely free of government regulation with respect to content.  The fact that we have Fox News Channel makes up for the drivel.  If you are concerned about your children watching, you know what to do.  I am still trying to understand why any parent would allow a child under 16 (or even 18) have a TV in their room to begin with.

 All a kid really needs in their room is a bed for SLEEP, desk for HOMEWORK, bookcase for BOOKS, a chest for CLOTHES, and maybe, if they deserve it, maybe a shelf for a few toys.  NO COMPUTER, TV, VIDEO GAMES, ETC.  All of those, if you are generous enough to bestow them upon the little crumb crunchers, should be kept in the family room, UNDER LOCK AND KEY!!!  That way, you, as their parent, control their access.

Of course, they will complain.  Explain to them that they should bow down and kiss your feet and pledge allegiance to this great nation and its beneifts that they are not living 50 years ago, when they would have to get up at 4 am to do backbreaking labor that even most adults will not do now.  And that was before they walked 10 miles to school, where a REAL TEACHER taught them with a hard hand and a rule and made the MEMORIZE everything.  Of course, our children would be much better people if they had to endure the hardships of our grandparents and prior generations.  For the most part, they live like the spoiled pooches of the blue blood class!

The harder you make a child's life, without allowing for excuses, they better they turn out to be!

None of us would want a

None of us would want a whore to live on our street but I have to let one in my house to get my dish to work and have to go around and block a number of channels on all the TV's around the house just so my son does not see them.

 

And some call that progress.

And even worse they keep

And even worse they keep moving the channel numbers so that my blocking and locking has to be updated almost every month or so.

Has anybody noticed

Has anybody noticed internet type arrests for porn passion people have fallen to record low numbers because now they can get whatever they want to see short of some really extreme things over any TV dish.

I mean you really have to be totally perverted to not get want you want on public TV any more.

I go to watch my sons

I go to watch my sons school a lot of the time and what I am seeing now is 6 , 9 or 12 year old girls leaving their panties home to spread their thighs and entice the younger guys who only want to enjoy that.

And these are the same gals who are burned out on sex by the time they are 20.

To be blunt now when girls

To be blunt now when girls can be sexually aware they do.

 

But, Tim. Tortilla Flats, er

But, Tim. Tortilla Flats, er what ever her name is, is really, really hot and she's posed nekkid for pictures. So, she HAS to be cool, ya know?

We are getting cable next

We are getting cable next weekend (we have gone 14yrs without it). Comcast has a deal with TV, Internet and phone for a pretty fair deal. To tell you the truth I really don't want it in my home, the networks are bad enough. The kids and hubby are screaming for more choices in viewing. We were told we could have HBO  free for six months, I said "thanks but no thanks". At least now I will get Fox News. Wish me luck!

For maybe 3 months you are

For maybe 3 months you are going to get a cheap out deal, but then they are going to rape you for over a hundred a month just to get Fox news. And they are going to have you with a contract with a hefty cancellation fee just to throw them out the door. Do yourself a big favor and cancel them before they get there.

Your kids are in school and

Your kids are in school and all the other kids are telling them about the channel numbers of all the porn they get. They have the channel numbers written down on the inside of their underwear and are having wet dreams just waiting until you turn the service on.

yet more calls for censorship

If you don't want to watch it, turn to another channel. The GOP likes to preach freedom, so let people watch what they want to watch. Parents should be responsible for what their kids watch on tv and no one on the Tila show is under 18.

BS We have standards it's

BS

We have standards it's only the Dems who say give everybody whatever they want. I shouldn't have to cut down the channels to two or three out of the 200 or so I have available just to keep the brown stuff from staining my carpet.

 

These shows succeed because

These shows succeed because there is a market for them. I don't know anything about Tila, but Family Guy is successful because it can be watched on the crass, cheap-gag level, or a sophisticated cultural satire level. The bottom line is, they have large viewerships (and highly desirable, advertising-revenue-laden timeslots) because they appeal to something in the American consciousness. If anything, take it up with the American people. It is, after all, just the free market running it's course, and that's as conservative a defense as one could mount.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

BS We are not getting

BS

We are not getting those channels because we want them and want to buy that we are getting them just to get the other channels we want to watch. Don't even have the brain dead thought that we wanted to go to that sesspool of thought because people were requesting them to be add ons.

You have to $uck as a person to know.

 

I didn't say you wanted

I didn't say you wanted them - and those channels are Fox and VH-1, respectively, not "Adult" channels. I'm saying the shows that Bozell writes about are popular and therefore are highly visible; the producers of these shows don't just spew out whatever they feel like, or if they do, it only lasts if it brings in the do-re-mi.

I have to $uck as a person to know what? Argue coherently.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

right2thepoint

I shouldn't have to cut down the channels to two or three out of the
200 or so I have available just to keep the brown stuff from staining
my carpet

I have no problem with you choosing what channels you have, in fact I agree with you. I have a problem with cenorship

Huh?

How is it censorship to allow people what channels they want in their homes?

If it were me, out of all the channels on cable, I'd allow 5, MAYBE 6, to enter my home, and I don't have children...I just think everything else is crap.   

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

unsane

Its not censorship unsane, but telling us what we can or can't watch is.

Um, you just agreed with his

Um, you just agreed with his point.  He wants the freedom to be able to deal with those cable channels and not pay for anything he doesn't want.

Some day I would imagine

Some day I would imagine that you'll be able to pay for only what you want. I mean, I pay for C-SPAN, MSBNC, MSG, and lots of other stuff I never watch.

Again, I wish that would

Again, I wish that would happen, but I just think Cox here would rather be greedy than do this.

bretzydude

Your right i did. Since the thread pretty much insinuates the sleaze on the Tila Tequila show, I was defending free speech, not bundle packages.

Okay, my apologies...

Okay, my apologies... should've read the rest of the thread on that one.

bretzkydude

No problem bretzkydude, Just like my example a few post below, I was pi$$ed that the Packer/Cowboy game was on NFL network. I already pay over 70 bucks a month to Comcast.

And I'll just be you've got

And I'll just bet you've got no trouble at all with strip joints right next to your childrens schools where they can go for extra credit study.

I would much rather have you

I would much rather have you to pound your pud out of your own imagination than have my kid watching something they moved the channel number on something I had to block last week.

That's tasteful. So it's

That's tasteful. So it's not an issue of parental laziness or parents' lack of authority and gumption to, say, limit children's TV viewing to an hour a day, or something responsible like that, it's that grown people who can choose for themselves what to watch are in fact deviants and chronic masturbators?

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

So you believe we have to

So you believe we have to proactivly block the porn you wnat to have to be available to watch. Sure do you want to think even for one minute that I want to buy that idea?

I haven't had expansive

I haven't had expansive cable in a long time (OnDemand and all that), but isn't porn pay-per-view? I don't think you could just change the channel from Seventh Heaven and accidentally land on porn. You're basically saying that everyone else's viewing habits should be inconvenienced to suit your selectively tailored moral outrage.

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

right2thepoint

This is sort of like the argument I heard as a kid. If Jimmy jumped off a bridge........ Come on R2TP, Having a strip club next to a children school is totally different, you are also talking about drunk men, booze, and scantily clad woman and perhaps prostitution if that happens.

If you do not want to watch it change the channel. That is your choice and most cable subscibers have the power to block any channels the subcriber wishes.

Where Why and tell me

Where Why and tell me how!

 

Give it your best shot the last one wasn't.

What did I count like 4

What did I count like 3 or 4 excuses all in a row.

Man your a sick puppy.

You are so foolish enough

You are so foolish enough to say prostitution my be an IF.

Please save me from people as dumb as you.

Are you so dumb you have

Are you so dumb you have somehow missed all the commentary about how we had to clean up and block all those channels.

And you expect us because of what you want to have to go to all the trouble to block them just so you can have what you you want IF you want to want it some night when the old lady doesn't want to give it up.

R2

I think this is commonly known as "crickets chirping".

I guess I kicked over the topic of "unbundling" cable....but after reading all of the reponses here...I'm kind of in the "why bother" category.  DishTV here I come (and I have my rabbit ears...handy in hurricane country). 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Girl I have a personal

Girl I have a personal issue with this at the moment. I am having to deal with a girl down the street who has a "sexual drive mismatch" with her partner. I am a widower and I don't want to have to deal with that. I got from my lady just what I wanted when and where and each time it was desired. But now I am having to deal with a gal who's husband is a three or 4 day a week appetite and she is a 5 or 7 must be a minimum to get my needs off kind of person.

These cable guys who make the same case that which should I do. Put it in her and slide and glide or so no way Jose.

I am near 70 and I have got

I am near 70 and I have got to believe that I have to take some from a girl in her 30's just because it would be nice to have some of that.

I have to be you treat your man better than that.

R2

Whoa, whoa whoa.

TMI.

All I meant was Shawn wasn't answering all of your very good points about cable having too much garbage, for which we must pay.

Good luck there fella. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Yeah I know.   But

Yeah I know.

 

But some times you just have to say it.

r2tp

Ok since you called me foolish and insuated I am dumb, I guess it is okay for me to be a tad harsh so my apologies in advance. Are you a raving lunitic? Do you spy on your neighbors. As "Bones" would say from "Star Trek" My God Man!!! Are you one of those peeping toms that needs to know what is going on in the neighborhood? I have been taught to respect my elders, but you take the cake.

Back to your questions.

Where? I called Comcast and the said they had Parent Blocking controll, I will not go through the whole process for you

Why? Because many people want to watch what you do not. If you are happy watching Leave in the Beaver"not the porn version" That is fine. Other people want something a little "different"

Tell me how? Refer to where I mentioned where.

You are so foolish enough to say prostitution my be an IF.

What is IF?

No crickets here Blonde

Blonde,

I believe you know me well enough that I don't post and run. I had to go out for lunch with my family and now I am back. I have not had a chance to read R2's counter points and I look forward to replying to him

Okay Shawn

Fair enough.

My apologies. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

shawn, you have to wonder about a man

who keeps hearing crickets in his head. Just a personal observation.

blonde

Hi professor, I hope you are having a great day. Blonde is she, not a he. She is tough as steel and I do not agree with on on many things, but she is very smart and I have lots of respect for her, so if you decide to flame her , I will not be your side kick.

"Perfesser" Plagiarist knows that Shawn

He's been told that several times.  It's just another example of his immature behavior....

Nah, RJ

It merely and truly proves his reading deficiency....for all to see.  LOL. 

Okay...I must get a move on today.  Have a good one.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

See ya, Blonde

We'll have to argue about "Perfesser Plagiarist Twaddle's "reading deficiency." 

Since NO ONE can be THAT stupid, I don't think he even bothers reading the posts at all.   You originally called him Perfesser Talking Point, and that probably best describes his presence here.  He's determined to put out his talking points, ad nauseum, no matter what is said in response.

Enjoy your day.  

P.S. How's the weather?  Up here, we're having more "Global Warming" with snow and a week of "lower than average temps."      :^)

You may be right, RJ

Done with that troll.

AC's still on...it's lovely.  Don't know if I'd necessarily call it global warming warm, but it's perfect.

May go see the Shuttle this week, haven't done that in a long time. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

RJ, you stated, "since NO ONE can be THAT stupid,

I don't think he even bothers reading posts at all." But, RJ, you're living proof of the contrary. Think on it, son.

Another sophomoric witticism from Perfesser Plagiarist Twaddle

Your attempts at humor are immature and pathetic, "Perfesser."

 

RJ, I guess when it comes to PT,

you can't live with him and you can't live without him. Think on it, son.

That's just the thing an Attention Whore would post, "Perfesser"

But the truth is, I've proven you to be a liar, a plagiarist, a fascist, a hypocrit....and incapable of logical thought.  

You're not exactly the kind of poster whose opinion is worth worrying about.....   

How would you know?  Is

How would you know?  Is that what makes you so insane?

I wanted to say belive but

I wanted to say belive but the edit choice was left out.

R2tp 1. You're in your

R2tp

1. You're in your 70s...so were your children that you were talking about protecting from the "pornographic" shows just hypothetical/rhetorical?

2. Re: Your last few posts about the neighbor: WTF?!?!?

"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors."
-Emily Bronte

First off I have a 40

First off I have a 40 somthing son who is handicapped and doesn't need to see this kind of stuff.

Other than that I have a single mother who returned home with her kids in tow. And those are the ones I have to worry about.

censorship

For me it's not so much that I want this stuff censored, but like Blonde and the others are saying I get tired of subsidizing it through package deals.

We spend 40 bucks a month for cable TV but only watch about 10 dollars' worth of it. What if I said the only way you could watch CNN was to also pay for 13 channels of Christian preaching, and every six months they rearranged the dial to increase your odds of inadvertently watching them.

And I really don't buy the theory of it being up to parents. I remember being a kid and finding clever ways to watch what I wanted.

When a family sits down to watch a ball game they shouldn't be indundated with beer commercials and The Best **** Sports Show. When they watch a family-friendly game show they shouldn't have to turn because of super-violent advertising. There is nothing for kids on network TV anymore.

Yeah Family Guy is a hit right now, but if cable stopped forcing people to buy Fox and suddenly you're paying an extra 10 bucks for one network, I guarantee the demand would shrink.

 

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

Candace

Yes, you have a valid point when you mention commericals. Again I agree with the fact that we should get the channels that we want. Many of the football fans on NB got screwed last week, when the Dallas/Green Bay game could only be viewed on the NFL network

Back to censorship, I believe it is my right to what what I want in the privacy of my own home. And before R2 decides to take that statement to the extreme, that does not include child porn. This is the United States of American, and if the GOP is truly the party of freedom they should not fear the religious right. Freedom should mean protection for free speech.

 

what censorship?

You keep going on about censorship, but Blonde, Shy, and the rest of us never said the word (RJ is in a class of his own). No one is asking the FCC to cancel the shows. No one is demanding Tila Tequila be sent to jail.

Right now you're coming off as trying to take an unfair shot at conservatives - yes, well, you might be right about package deals, but I'll be sure to find something to complain about! How Blonde's original assertion got twisted into the GOP being afraid of Christians is beyond me.

 

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

hahaha, candance, I didn't know I had a dog in this fight

...but I like being in a "class of my own"....I think.   ;^)

just checked the thread, candance,

...and it looks like you meant to say "R2" (for right2thepoint)

aw, shucks....can I still be in a class of my own?

(RJ is in a class of his

(RJ is in a class of his own)

I will 2nd that RJ...lol. But in a good way of course :-)

Candace

The thread by Tim Graham referring Mr Bozell complains about the quality of the Tila show. You also mentioned how you did not buy it being a parents responsiblity.

Again I agree with being able to choose our own channels, if you issue is not about the morality of our tv shows, I have nothing to argue with you about.

Nah I won't take it to

Nah

I won't take it to child porn, I will just leave it at your dog and pony shows.

Right to the point

"Man your a sick puppy."

That was your comment to me Right to the point. Lets take a look at some of your comments K?

"what I am seeing now is 6 , 9 or 12 year old girls leaving their
panties home to spread their thighs and entice the younger guys who
only want to enjoy that"

"They have the channel numbers written down on the inside of their
underwear and are having wet dreams just waiting until you turn the
service on."

"I am having to deal with a girl down the street who has a "sexual drive
mismatch" with her partner. I am a widower and I don't want to have to
deal with that. I got from my lady just what I wanted when and where
and each time it was desired. But now I am having to deal with a gal
who's husband is a three or 4 day a week appetite and she is a 5 or 7
must be a minimum to get my needs off kind of person."

"I am near 70 and I have got to believe that I have to take some from a
girl in her 30's just because it would be nice to have some of that."

Hmmm, You seem to have a pretty "sick puppy imagination" yourself R2

Each one of them I have

Each one of them I have actually seen as an example.

Places society has let me seen. You dont like em tough.

r2tp

I am not questioning if you have seen examples or not, I am impressed with your writing style. I have seen similar writing styles. I believe most of the them started like this. Dear Penthouse forum, I have not written a letter like this before but...............

Besides I don't need

Besides I don't need Penthouse I have life to deal with.

Now you don't want to ask me

Now you don't want to ask me just why you are reading those particular colums or do you????????????

Tell me true would you

Tell me true would you encourage you 6 9 or 12 year old girl to do that?

right to the point

No need to use up NB's bandwith, you don't need 4 posts in under 5 minutes to ask something.

I just commented that you have kind of sick writing style when you mention about essentially children, spreading their thighs. And to anwer your question, I have read Penthouse in the past. I do not remember the last time I have read one.

I gave up when my 8 year

I gave up when my 8 year old grand daughter asked me the other day if she could do just like all the "other" girls in her class were doing.

Congratulate yourelf you have won the batttle.

Now how proud are of you of yourself??????????????

I had to spend three hours

I had to spend three hours expaining just why it wasn't nice to do what she was asking.

And you people want to think you have a better idea of how to run our lives??????????????

r2tp

It depends on what the other girls were doing? If it it is somewhat provocative, try not to use something like "spreading thighs" It does not bode well, when it involves children.


Congratulate yourelf you have won the batttle.

What battle? Your the one that answers questions with more questions. Maybe if you are not too concerned/nosy on what other people are doing, you can have a nice and quiet life. If you respond, you dont have use 5 post.

Play dodge ball like an a$$.

Play dodge ball like an a$$. She was asking if she should do exactly what I talked about. Dumb it down for yourself if you dont want to admit it. but that was something I had to deal with in real life.

And "exactly what I talked

And "exactly what I talked about" was...?

RightNopoint

Ok rightnopoint, there is no dodgeball, your talking about your 8 yr old granddaughter and I am talking about free speech and what can be allowed on tv. It is up to your grand daughters parents to teach her right from wrong....don't blame it on tv.

Oh sure you want to somehow

Oh sure you want to somehow excuse it because it never gave her the chance.

rightnopointatall

Oh sure you want to somehow excuse it because it never gave her the chance.

???????????????????????????????????

You are boring me so I am logging off for a while. If you need to respond with something with substance and you need to ask me 8 questions, try to keep to only 1 post k?

Well I'm real sorry that my

Well I'm real sorry that my grandaughters questions like that bore you somehow.

You are simply an a$$ from the git go and if this wasn't the internet I would punch you in the face so damn hard it would take you a week to walk back.

Easy there, tough guy. You

Easy there, tough guy. You haven't been making a lot of sense frankly.

Well he has been posting

Well he has been posting responses to his own responses for the past 18 hours, mainly about panties.

That makes sense, right? Like talking to yourself.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

I'm thinking fetish of some

I'm thinking fetish of some kind...

I've rung necks on better

I've rung necks on better than you for saying things like that.

And I'm really impressed.

And I'm really impressed. Get over yourself. 

Well balboa....you did use

Well balboa....you did use the 'f' word...

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Even at my age I am 245

Even at my age I am 245 pounds of hurt that would make you pay for that if we ever had a chance to meet up.

Grrr. Arrgh. (No one can

Grrr. Arrgh.

(No one can ever complain about my posts again as long as Mr. "245 pounds of hurt" is here.)

Don't give it a second thought, balboa

I suspect his remaining shelf life here will be very short....

You Wish.

You Wish.

Tell me do you want to meet

Tell me do you want to meet up to test that theory????????????????

Oh, chill out, R2

You're acting like a fool.

Oh yeah I'm acting like a

Oh yeah I'm acting like a fool and others above me are posting how they wanna have their porn threads sure I got all that.

Yes, I do. Let's say, 3

Yes, I do. Let's say, 3 o'clock? On the playground outside school? But we'll have to keep a lookout to make sure the principal doesn't see us.

Shirly you jest. I would

Shirly you jest.

I would kick your a$$ so far into the ground you couldn't even suggest grass is something that is green.

Yes, surely I jest, not you,

Yes, surely I jest, not you, the strange man making the absurd, undeliverable threats.

Ok girl prove me wrong.

Ok girl prove me wrong.

OK...there. Proved you

OK...there. Proved you wrong. G'night, fella!

Think bones breaking and

Think bones breaking and hear the noises.

Bal

Who the in the blue hell is this guy? I am talking to him about free speech on tv and he is talking about his grand daughter panties?

"I can't believe you want to even talk
to to me about ever having to talk to my grand daughter about the
options of leaving her panities home."

Maybe he is "Blue" from

Maybe he is "Blue" from "Old School"!

There hasn't been a single

There hasn't been a single person talking in this thread about "free speach" on TV do don't try to claim that as some sort of a refuge...

right tothe toilet

You are one sick person. I did not mention anything about the 6-9 year olds. I simply asked what you meant when you were referring to what the "the other eight yr olds were doing" For all I know that could have meant watching "Dora the Explorer"

Also I am certainly not going to pull a Rainlillie, but you might want to be careful about threatening bodily harm to anybody else

Even at my age I am 245 pounds of hurt that would make you pay for that if we ever had a chance to meet up.

I've rung necks on better than you for saying things like that.

if this wasn't the internet I would punch you in the face so damn hard it would take you a week to walk back.

 

Simply up yours and keep

Simply up yours and keep it.

 

right to the insane asylum

hmmm, talking about sticking things up my ahem...and challenging people to fisticuffs, spying on neighbors and talking about childrens panties and 9 yr olds spreading their thighs. Wow you sure bring a lot to this forum don't you?

Spying on

Spying on neighbors???????????? The gal is coming down to my house and wants we to fill in the days her old man doesn't. Now just how is that spying?

right2 sweetie

Believe me I'm on your side and I feel your outrage about your granddaughter losing her innocence so young.

But threatening physical violence toward shawn and balboa is not the answer. We debate ideas, remember? We don't get emotional or debate who might be the toughest in a fight.

That said, come on Shawn he's depressed about what happened with his granddaughter, but instead of being sensitive you're egging on his temper.

We never get anywhere until we can talk about the issues with no flying limbs.

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

candace

I rarely flame anybody. He called me foolish, dumb and threatened bodily harm. I simply asked him on what he meant about his 8 yr old granddaughter. He is also not making any sense on most of his post and he is accusing me of dodging his questions when I have no idea what he wants answered.

I am sorry about whatever his granddaughters going through but it is not tvs fault.

MAN!

I walk away from this site for a few hours, and all hell breaks loose.

 

Dana Perino and Newsbusters gals will look great in Shywear

(*NB guys, too)

OHHHHHHHHHH yes it was and

OHHHHHHHHHH yes it was and she got it first in her mind from a CHIDRENS TV CHANNEL, don't you think I didn't inquire about just where did such and idea come from????

And some of you are arguing we should have all sorts of choice of whatever kind on our channels. NO MATTER HOW PEVERTED.

When kids channels aren't even safe any more why should I want your adult ones having to flow into my house like so much sewage????

Yeah sure I'm supposed to

Yeah sure I'm supposed to belive it's right when childrens TV tell kids pantie optional days are something PROGRESSIVE and I am supposed to like it.

You got it wrong it wasn't

You got it wrong it wasn't threated it was promised.

Check your health insurance and all it's limits.

Shawn

Right's context was pretty clear from the start. I didn't have to ask him what he meant to know. But anyway, I agree he's been the aggressor and I wanted to post here so no one would think I stamped it with my approval. But it's getting to that point of being a hurtful argument, and I think you're too smart to keep it going.

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

Candace

You know I do not like a spitting contest I will not argue with you and I will back off. Have a good night.:)

So you don't give it your

So you don't give it your ok but it just sorta good and sorta nice, And I have been the bad guy from just the beginning.

Not in your wildest dreams honey.

Children show filth

Ok R2,

No need to be mean to Candace, she was only defending your concern for your Granddaughter. Anyways I promised to take the high road on this, so I am sorry about how the filth on the childens show has corrupted the mind of some of granddaughters friends.

I feel I have the right to watch what I want on tv and Comcast gives me the ability to block any channels I do not wish to view. You and I will have to agree to disagree on this and I will leave it at that. Have a good day Right2thepoint.

edit

Just out of curiosity could you tell me if it was Nickelodeon, Disney, or another Childrens channel that promoted "panties optional" for children.

I can't believe you want to

I can't believe you want to even talk to to me about ever having to talk to my grand daughter about the options of leaving her panities home.

And you are trying to say it

And you are trying to say it should be about what channels you should have available on TV.

just to play devil's advocate

I generally don't believe the government should get involved in censorship (with the exception of porn and hate speech) because if people want to watch a cartoon about characters puking and being violent toward their families, then so be it.

But likewise, I do think the left in this country has a double standard when it comes to censorship. They fly into spasms of rage when they see a Nativity Scene out in public, but tell Christians to "turn their heads" when they walk past a nasty poster in the mall. They insist public schools give access to "Jennifer has two mommies" but won't let a classroom study Bridge to Terabithia. They willingly buy music from anti-war activists (and scream hate when a Republican burns a CD) but tell religious celebrities not to be controversial.

A westerner in Sudan gets sent to prison for blasphemy, and libs say she brought it on herself for not conforming. The Salvation Army fires women who don't speak English, and they end up with a lawsuit for not conforming to the outsiders.

Double standards like these are what confuse me about liberalism. It seems many liberals have no cohesive mission or goal, other than wiping out American culture and stopping those dern God-botherers. 

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.

Candace

I totally agree with you on the lefts censorships. I find the GOP cater to the religious right when the try to tell us not to watch what they consider filth, sex, violence, nudity, profanity etc, but the left tries to censor any religion or something that might hurt ones feeling.

Also why do you believe the government should be involved in porn? Unless you mean to check if the participants are over 18?

 

porn

I just mean keeping child porn out of society and allowing adults to get all the porn they want in places children don't have access to. 

Last Christmas when they released that Nativity Story movie, I took my mother to a theater to watch it. Before the movie started, the screen was showing soft porn advertising. Women in bikinis rolling around on silk sheets. It embarrassed the mess out of my mom - we'd gone there to see a religious film and still got attacked by sexual images.

Every day I see porn creeping further and further into public light.   

 

The most dangerous thing in the world is an angry person with political power.