On ABC, Huckabee Sounds Like Hillary on Tuition Breaks for Illegals

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Wednesday's edition of ABC's World News hyped the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll finding a dramatic rise in Iowa for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, rising to a near-tie with Mitt Romney, 28 to 24 percent. After noticing that Huckabee attacked Romney as a pseudo-conservative, Tapper challenged Huckabee from the right on taxes and on illegal aliens. When he asked about tuition breaks for illegals, Huckabee sounded like Hillary on the issue: "If you're government at the federal level is so incompetent that it fails to secure the border, you don't then grind your heel into the face of a 6-year-old child over it."

Tapper said "Huckabee appeals to socially conservative evangelicals because he is one. And he cultivates an affable image." But the remarks Tapper quoted weren't affable. They were like that "heel to the face" imagery. Here's the meatiest part of the transcript:

JAKE TAPPER: Good evening, Charlie. Well, having made big gains among evangelicals, conservatives, abortion opponents and weekly churchgoers, Mike Huckabee is vying for first place in Iowa with Mitt Romney. And Huckabee's rise is indicative of the fact that this Republican nomination race is still very much up for grabs.With a veiled dig at Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee says he's not surprised by his rising popularity among Iowa Republicans.

MIKE HUCKABEE: They believe what I'm telling them to be true, true to my own heart and convictions, that I'm not just saying something that a focus group gave me or a room full of consultants handed me in a forum to say this stuff. People will buy it.

TAPPER: Romney is not sitting still. Today in Iowa City, he attacked Huckabee's fiscal record.

MITT ROMNEY: He raised taxes in his state.

TAPPER: As governor of Arkansas from 1996 until this year, Huckabee oversaw a net tax increase.

TAPPER (to Huckabee): The fact that you supported tax increases in Arkansas is gonna be an issue.

MIKE HUCKABEE: The fact that I managed government effectively is the most important issue.

TAPPER: Romney also criticized Huckabee's record on illegal immigration.

ROMNEY: I, for instance, said no to giving tuition breaks to the children of illegal aliens, and he said yes. I think that's a problem.

TAPPER (to Huckabee): Weren't you enabling that?

HUCKABEE: If you're government at the federal level is so incompetent that it fails to secure the border, you don't then grind your heel into the face of a 6-year-old child over it.

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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HUCKABEE: If you're

HUCKABEE: If you're government at the federal level is so incompetent
that it fails to secure the border, you don't then grind your heel into
the face of a 6-year-old child over it.

No one is talking about 6-year old children. We are talking about college tuition. I don't think Huckabee made a lot of friends with that statement. Most Americans oppose in-state resident tuition for those in-state illegally. They don't appreciate that being equated with "grinding [your] heel" in anyone's face.

That's really ugly, and I think there is going to be some backlash over it.

 

I can't see why people

I can't see why people still think Huckabee is a conservative.

Repeat a lie

Often-enough, and....
JMR

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Huckabee's statement

I don't find that statement nearly as objectionable as some of the things the other top candidates have said (or done).

I don't think it is fair to blame a governor for making a decision that the federal government leaves as the only default decision since they (DHS) refuse (or are unable) to deport illegals and prohibit the States from doing it either.

If I were Governer of Arkansas I would have demanded that Federal Tax payments to the IRS be sent to the STATE capital instead and deduct the requisite amount that schooling the children of undeported illegals cost the state and then send the remainder to Washington.

TaxHikeMike's decision

Went far-beyond that, to a big-government subsidy for Mexican illegals.
JMR

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}}---> Saint Ron Paul

In Chicken Run Ron Paul's home State, (same as mine), it seems there are several Mexican Consulates .

How silly of Huckabee to lobby for one in his home State, huh?

You can't understand why a Governor would take one approach for a specific constituency and another stand for the broader group?  Of course he's going to treat the children of illegal parents differently if the Federal Government won't act.

Tell me Dr. Paul, (OB/Gyn) never knowingly delivered an anchor baby (remember, we're talking the Galveston/Corpus Christi strip here).  You think he never took one hat off to put on another. 

What do you think he did? Kick the mothers out of the Delivery Room?

I understand your envy over Apology Paul's plummet.  I guess it goes with the territory.

Get real sarc.

You are not being honest.

Subsidy != "lobby," like it or not. Go look it up if you doubt me, but I guess dishonesty like this goes with YOUR territory, eh??

And if you're going to dishonestly accuse him of delivering "anchor babies," why not supply a shred of PROOF? Oh, yeah, we've already seen it here. Every accusation against Ron Paul is deemed "true" sans proof. 
JMR

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It seems to me

that Duncan Hunter is the true close the border candidate, he has already started to build the fence. 14 miles of double fence starting at the Pacific Ocean have already been built. Why there? It's Hunters district.

wrong, sarc

If you can show me where I "dishonestly accuse" Paul in that post, I'll retract it.

If not, you need to retract.

Since you insist on mincing words, my post was nothing more than pure innuendo.

Then you haven't been looking.

***FREE STINKER WROTE***

"I can't see why people still think Huckabee is a conservative."

If you can't see it it's because you don't want to! He's against gay "marriage", against abortion and against the ACLU, what more do you want? Instead of compromising the party's values with a morally reprehensible baby killer like Guiliani, why not vote for someone who actually STANDS for something? So what if he's not for your freakin' TAX PLAN?? He's MORALLY CONSERVATIVE and THAT'S what this country needs. I have no doubt that he'd do all he could to close the border and as for the children of illegals, HE HAS A POINT. Republican  MONEYCHANGERS masquerading as "Christians" have hijacked the immigration issue by ALLOWING ALL THESE DANGED ILLEGALS to get in here in the first place. And it is UN-AMERICAN to punish the children of people that YOU have been WHORING out to the LOWEST BIDDER for freakin' YEARS! I do agree however, that they should get the same breaks as Americas, no more no less. But so what? IF this is the only bone of contention I have with Huck, it's better than "holding your nose" while Guiliani MURDERS MORE CHILDREN!!!!  The republican party sold it's soul to MAMMON about the time it picked a BIG BUSINESS lukewarm small "c", Christian like Bush, over more principled men! Time to "tack back" to JESUS!   Huck RULES!

Keith, The choice is not

Keith,

The choice is not just between Huckabee and Guiliani.  There are  real conservatives out there who not only want to secure the border but oppose abortion.  Duncan Hunter is one of them. He got a 100% rating from Right to Life.

As far as Huckabee's comment's about the Federal Government leaving the border open, Huckabee encouraged illegal immigration while Governor of Arkansas.  How you might ask? As Governor he gave the Mexican Government a good deal set up a Mexican Consulate.  There are now 55 of these Mexican consulates in the US.  This is where the illegal aliens go to get the bogus Matricular Consular Cards which opens all kinds of doors.  So yes, Mike Huckabee has encouraged illegal immigration.

 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58657

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecenters_defense

http://www.vdare.com/awall/matricula_consular.htm

http://www.vdare.com/baldwin/071102_christians.htm

I think people tend to

I think people tend to forget that the President is not King...With Democrats looking like they will have a clear majority, we will not be able to pass any abortion laws or other social laws like banning smoking ( like Mike wants...I don't smoke btw ) or marriage protection. We need someone who will veto the insane budgets, Mike is not it. Tom, Duncan, Mitt, and Rudy, even Ron are better choices over Nanny State Mike.

As an evangelical...

As an evangelical/conservative Christian, the current field of Republicans is not acceptable. Each of the candidates have major flaws, whether it be pro-abortion, anti- 2nd Amendment, or the pro-illegal-immigrant stands. I am left with Huckabee, and he seems to be a candidate that any illegal immigrant will love.

Don Deskins

Do you find Duncan Hunter unacceptable as well?

Duncan Hunter is good...

But I can't see him getting the nomination.

Hey, I guess I really didn't make myself clear, but someone PMed me suggesting that Ron Paul would be a good man for me to vote for. Let me be clear now...

Ron Paul is a racist, facist, nut!

Go Duncan

(It's "your" not "you're," and that drives me nuts, but....)

I hope nobody's actually suprised TaxHikeMike would say something like this. After all, it fits his behavior-patterns perfectly...When Republicans tolerate & support obese government candidates, it makes their hot wind about supposedly wanting to shrink government ring rather hollow in some ears. Like mine.
JMR

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Hey, don't jump on ME. I

Hey, don't jump on ME. I just copied and pasted the quote. ;-) I know it's "your" (drives me nuts) too...thought of correcting it, but didn't bother.

It goes along with "Your late." LOL

Ouch. Maybe this will wake

Ouch. Maybe this will wake people up about Huckabee's open borders agenda. I wonder if he would give illegal aliens drivers licenses and let them vote rather than 'grinding our heel into them'.

Hah hah Mike. And if you don't lock your doors, don't expect the cops to arrest someone just for breaking into your house. In fact they ought to give the burglar a tuition break, right?

You want this problem brought under control, here's the way to do it, spelled out in sufficient detail to know he's thought about it carefully and is serious:

http://www.fred08.co...

Where are the Reagans of the

Where are the Reagans of the new millenium?  The Republicans need someone like him, and I don't think there is one that is even 1/100th of that man.

I'm With Fred!

Fred is 74/100 of a Reagan.

Or thereabouts. (we hope)

Free Sinker, I think I’m

Free Sinker,

I think I’m with you. I don’t know where to look. For awhile I was looking at Mike but then this, I was looking at Fred, then it seemslike he could care less if he wins or not, I cant trust Rudy or Mitt, Mc c withthe Mc Cain / Feingold, The person I think is the best Duncan Hunter cant get any traction. Why is this so GD hard. WE SHOULD GET WHAT WE WANT AND NO MORE RINOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don’t want half, we have half.. I want a full-blown conservative. 

 

 

 

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc. Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Men like Ronald Reagan only

Men like Ronald Reagan only come along once in a lifetime and we've had ours. We need a Ronald Reagan and a Winston Churchill, but sadly, we wont get them. Nobody on the Republican side impresses me at all, at least not enough to vote for them.

I've said the times brings forth the man when he is required, but I was mistaken. In our politically correct times, the man that comes forth will be squashed.

There is none so blind as they that won’t see. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

Any other election year,

Republicans would wallop Hillary, the worst candidate ever, by a wide margin.  But, no..............this year we can't find a suitable Republican to go after her.  Hillary will win next year 'cause all we sent up were empty suits.

The real media bias

The real media bias here is that ABC turned this interview into propping the center-right positions of a republican candidate and making him look like a liberal.

I am a supporter of Gov. Huckabee and what is being missed in the media, both in the MSM and especially in conservative websites like newsbusters.org is his conservative positions. I really don't believe that an unfair attack on a fellow republican should be the purpose of this website.

Let me go into detail about illegal immigration: If anyone honestly want to learn Gov. Huckabee's positions on Illegal immigration you can go here. He is very strongly against illegal immigration. http://www.mikehucka...

Do you want more assurance? Act 2210 of 2005 was signed into law by Governor Huckabee. The
legislation made it illegal for a driver’s license to be issued to
anyone who could not prove legal residency in Arkansas. http://roebuckreport...

On the tuition breaks, the governor only supported the measure that applied to those who met
the academic qualifications and applied for legal citizenship. The
measure didn't pass. Governor Huckabee stressed that any student would
simply be treated as any other graduate of an Arkansas High School, and
not given any special consideration.

I really want to challenge my fellow friends who commented here about candidates not being Reagan-like. Reagan was a human being and he too wasn't perfect on conservative issues. For example, Reagan had no choice but to raise taxes when he was governor in California, and Reagan approved blind amnesty to everyone and he didn't do anything to build the border. Let's not forget that. We claim to be conservatives and under the Reagan and Bush 43 administrations the national debt went up big time. What Reagan was known for was his sunny optimism and his ability to connect with all Americans, hence the term Reagan democrats came into existence.

Gov. Huckabee is not for blind amnesty and he has said time after time that the border must be built and that is the first solution to the problem of illegal immigration. He is correct in stating that the problem of illegal immigration is due to the failure of the federal government in building the border. Someone above commented about someone breaking in a house = to illegals crossing the border. You know what, there is no door, its an open field that anyone can cross through easily. Let's build the border and then discuss what happens to those who came here illegally.

Democrats are set to win congress next year and most republicans are just twittling their thumbs. It's almost like we are letting them win. Very unfortunate.

My Blog: http://justinok.blog...

I really don't believe that

I really don't believe that an unfair attack on a fellow republican should be the purpose of this website.

First: don't assume everyone who reads or comments on this website is a "fellow Republican."

Second: just because one is a Republican doesn't mean the he/she will agree with every position taken by another Republican. If that were true, why would there need to be a Primary election?

Huckabee

First, there is no reason to believe that the Dems will hold onto the congress. The last election was more about throwing out RINOS, not conservatives, if the GOP runs conservatives for those seats, then they will win.

Second, not everybody here hates Huckabee.

Third, The GOP has no coherent policy on immigration, and that is not the candidates fault.

Fourth, there are really three issues that are contained in the immigration problem. Those three issues are: Mexican workers, Citizenship, and Accountability.

If you ask me, the right answer is:

First we need accountability. We need to know who is here and track them. We need to deport those who are dangerous first. Then we need to deport those who are not from Mexico or Canada (Mexican and Canadian Illegals can deport themselves or face prosecution) Most Mexicans, Canadians, Bahamians, Bermudans, Cubans, Filipinos, and Panamanians that are here illegally need not be deported unless they are felons because we have longstanding special relationships with these nations.

Now just because you don't deport someone that doesn't mean you make them a citizen with voting rights, permanent green card, etc. Those people need to make an application and when everyone ahead of them is processed then they can be processed for citizenship if they desire. Most all other nationals should be deported especially criminals.

Most Mexicans and Canadians should be allowed to work here temporarily or seasonally with little trouble. An equivalent number of Americans should be able to do the same in those countries.

The fence should be completed from the Pacific to the Rio Grande and border patrol and customs should be increased to meet demand. Because the Texas Boarder is mostly the Rio Grand River, and it is mainly private property with water rights, etc, it presents a special problem. that will have to be remedied by new technology and Mexican cooperation.

People who cross the boarder regularly (legally) should be issued an alien photo ID card and pass a driving test if they drive here.

Employers who employ illegals should be prosecuted and any person legal or not who is paid less than the minimum wage by a US employer should have standing to sue the employer to recover the shortage plus attorney fees, even if they have been deported.

I don't hate Huckabee

I don't hate Huckabee either.  But arguably, I'm still having to deal with the high taxes that his governorship created for me.  Tancredo and Hunter seem more in line in creating solid borders, but what are the chances of them getting elected?  Not very much. 

Excellent work Jitu,

Excellent work Jitu, excellent work. I agree completely! Some of these people act as if  BABY KILLING AND SODOMY are the issues ripe for "compromise" but "whoa" to anyone who supports a tax increase!

You cannot serve God and Mammon (money). 

Correct

Correct. It's becoming obvious to me that Hillary may win because so many knuckleheads in the Republican Party will not band together against her.For example, they won't vote for the Republican just because he is not another Ronald Reagan? What??? No matter what they believe about Hillary, the Dims will support her. Not so with the ideologues we have who would rather give the presidency to her (and Bill) than compromise and win. Sad (and stupid). 

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

iveseenitall, I agree

iveseenitall, I agree wholeheartedly. I've always said that's how Democrats win....they might fight like dogs in the primaries, but in the general, they will revert to the pack and vote for the Dem candidate, whoever it is. It's usually the Republicans who split off over one issue or another.

Here's an example: if HRC wins the nomination and chooses Richardson for VP to secure the Hispanic vote, does anyone seriously think that blacks will stay home because she didn't choose Obama?

Blacks may indeed stay home.

It's not like voting is at the top of the list for black people anyway, to our eternal shame. Many blacks in the demoncrat party are tired of waiting for their seat of power at the democrat table! Elijah Cummings being passed over for party chair for the idiotic Howard Dean, left a bad taste in MANY black democrats mouths! Clinton's refusal to put a black anywhere in his cabinet also was a sore spot. I believe that if a man of Obama's cred were to be passed over for a do nothing like Richardson, sparks would fly. Doesn't mean they'd go Republican, but they very well might say, "Screw them all"! 

Well, let's see,

Well, let's see, Keith:

They've been getting worked over and taken for granted by Democrats since the early 90's (and don't forget Jesse Jackson telling Bill Clinton he'd better not sign that welfare reform bill...it would be the death knell for many blacks.) At the end of the day, the blacks say yeah, we're disappointed, but he's our guy, or she's our gal, and they come to heel, so to speak, and vote Democratic.

When the rubber meets the road, I think HRC is counting on the fact that the black Democrats have always "taken a licking and kept on ticking" so to speak. So she thinks if she picks Richardson, they will grumble, but won't desert.

I said some time ago that HRC and Obama would be the Democrats' ticket, but the Richardson thing is changing the landscape, so I'm not so sure any more. I always thought it would be hilarious to watch Her Royal Clintonness agonize over which group to pander to, black or Hispanic. It wouldn't surprise me to see one of them, down the road, announce that he wasn't interested in the VP slot. You know, like Nita Lowey decided, all of a sudden, that she wasn't interested any more in running for Moynihan's Senate seat (with no outside influence, of course.) It's funny how those things tend to work out for the Clintons.

Huckabee sounding like Hillary

Great report.  Huckabee seems nice, but when he says he's a conservative, it seemed too good to be true.  By blaming the Feds on the lack of immigration control during his time as Governor of Arkansas (1996-2007), he would still have the option of abiding by State law concerning citizenship rights for education and other services.  He made his own decision as Governor, which makes me feel he would do the same as President if he were able to get elected.  A tiger never changes its stripes, so if he gives into illegals and blames someone else, he most likely would do it again.  No thanks Mr. Huckabee.

So a SODOMITE LOVING, BABY

So a SODOMITE LOVING, BABY KILLING, ADULTERER like GUILIANI is more to your liking? If so, you suck.

I guess I suck then. Rudy

I guess I suck then. Rudy is more conservative than Mike, except for guns and social issues. But do we really want a nanny federal state? At this point of the game there are three very high priorities. The war, the border, the economy. Rudy has a proven record on the economy ( he's a fiscal conservative ) and gets a better grade on the war. On the border he has a grade higher than Mike's.

We don't need another compassionate conservative.

Huckabee is NO CONSERVATIVE

The man has supported tax increases (there is a great video on You Tube of him supporting tax increases). He is also very soft on illegal immigration.

 

The more I think about it, the more I lean to supporting Ron Paul.

Paul may be a great guy, but

Paul may be a great guy, but unless a miracle happens and he secures the nomination, a vote for him on a third-party ticket will be a vote for HRC, and Republicans need to realize that. They need to do what the Democrats do: get behind whomever the candidate is. Because the alternative is odious.

Why do people here

So-believe Ron Paul, who with yours-truly learned the hard way once in 1988 about debate/ballot-access issues faced by third parties, would want to make the same stupid mistake again? He has repeatedly said he doesn't plan to do that, and that "Plan B" is the Republican-not-Libertarian congressional seat Dr. Paul already holds as an incumbent. Further, the ones making noise about third parties are Dobbs & Bloomburg, but people here STILL concentrate on the remote possibility Dr. Paul's gonna make the same mistake he made 2 decades ago twice.

Look, back then he was protesting big government back before it was obese government like it is today. Some of us actually wanted government to shrink under Reagan, because we thought it was too-damn-big under Jimmy Carter. We weren't too-thrilled with what happened instead, despite media-myths to the contrary. We believed Reagan regarding the Dept. of Education, for example, and that was obviously a mistake in hindsight. :( But let's get back to this hysteria over Ron Paul somehow being prone to pulling a Perot.

Why? It's illogical thinking, IMO, but it's coming from people I truly believe are logical thinkers, so it fascinates me. I really don't want to argue, here, but what's your reasoning? Crap, I'd be surprised if that many of you even NOTICED the LP candidate's name in 1988!!
JMR

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sarc, I stand corrected. I

sarc, I stand corrected. I didn't know Paul had stated emphatically that he would not be a third-party candidate. I thought it might be a possibility. However, my main point was that any third-party candidate who pulled Republican voters would make HRC a shoo-in, like her husband with 43% or so. Which will, of course, immediately be defined as a "mandate."

Well, what he's said also

Is that he'd have a hard time endorsing some of the RINO frontrunners, but that's a far cry from a truly quixotic (has anyone seen my drinking game from the Daily Paul? That was an excuse just then to have a shot!) third party run. The billionaire who wants the statist-quo is Mike Bloomburg, and he's about as libertarian as Perot was -- which is not-at-all. If Mike runs independent and HRC wins, it won't be Libertarians' or libertarians' fault, though.
JMR

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Ron Paul is a NUTBAG.  A

Ron Paul is a NUTBAG.  A "novelty" candidate at best and you do nothing more than show your "unserious" nature by supporting such lunacy. 

It's always great when name-calling's 100% of what someone has

As in this case. For the record, we're deadly-serious, and the name-calling is proof we're being taken seriously by the big-government side. :)
JMR

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Agreement!

For once, sarc, I agree.

"NUTBAG" = name-calling.

"REACTIONARY" = accurate statement.

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

A Flawed Field

I have been having the hardest time settling on a candidate in this year's GOP primary because each of the candidates seems to have a serious flaw, and they all tend to be in different areas which makes my candidate preferences completely intransitive.

However, Chuck Norris endorsed Huckabee and I'm worried that if I don't support Mike, Chuck will come and roundhouse me to the fact real good like. 

<insert witty signature here>

"Governor Huckabee stressed

"Governor Huckabee stressed that any student would simply be treated as any other graduate of an Arkansas High School, and not given any special consideration."

And that's why I'm not particularly concerned about his point of view, as I tend to agree. If you've already allowed the illegal to attend your public school system, basically treating them as a legal resident of the state, it would be pretty hypocritical to deny them in-state tuition.

It's not the in-state tuition that is the problem, it's allowing them to enter the system in the first place.

}}---> Huck's Quandary

Easy to read it that way, but what the Huckmeister explained was that as Governor of Arkansas, if the Federal Government was not going to do anything about the parents, the States have no choice but offer incentives to children who carry good grades.

From a Governor, that view is sensible to me.  From a President it would not be.

If you haven't read this

If you haven't read this piece in the UK Telegraph about Hillary, take the time to do so.

http://www.telegraph...

They sent reporters across fly-over country to gauge the average person's opinion of Hillary (imagine that.... reporters doing research). What they found was the huge majority of average people did not like her royal highness.

How come these second rate Euro papers can figure this out, but the MSM here in the US is completely clueless on the subject?

Here's a highlight from the piece:

"She couldn't keep her own home together, so how can
we trust her to manage America?" asked Micki Martinson, a
housewife in Somerset, Pennsylvania.

Good link

Interesting story.Well worth reading.

Why not Duncan Hunter?

As was asked above, what's wrong with Duncan Hunter? Vietnam vet (who didn't turn on his fellow soldiers when he returned home), strong on immigration enforcement (and is proven by his actions), pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, great on taxes. What's not to love?

The only knock I hear is that he is not "electable," which is what they said about Reagan in 1976. He would be electable if Republicans truly wanted a conservative. Instead we hear the Neocons clamoring for Giuliani, the Rockefeller Republicans crying for Romney, the lunatic fringe stumping for McCain, and those with star-struck blindness and short memories pushing Thompson. Meanwhile, Hunter, Tom Tancredo and now Alan Keyes get zero support. Explain to me why Republicans are shunning the Republican wing of their part.

Duncan would be good

I not a conservative or republican.I definately would go for one of the three.I dont understand it either.All support basic American values.Rule of law.None are flip flopping on the issues.I want someone in that will represent the people of this country not special interest.

Rep Hunter

Big problem, for him, and other candidates:

Lack of executive experience. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Unfortunatly, there is no

Unfortunatly, there is no perfect candidate.  Romney used government to force people to get health care. I still don't know where Rudy stands on abortion and gun rights even though he explains it often.  McCain has his name attached to several terrible bills.  Thompson is not getting me excited at all. 

I still like Huckabee however.  I do see his point that because of an inept Federal government that won't prevent illegals, as a governer, he was forced to deal with these people.  I see little wrong with his decision to allow current students in the public government system that have good grades and are in the process of being legalized to have certain opportunities that are afforded to others.  It would be difficult as a christian to give a flat out "no" to an 18 year old asking for a loan for college when he was forced to be an illegal immigrant by his parents when he was six years old.  What would happen if everyone were punished for the sins of their parents?  Huckabe says he supports the border fence and as President would work to complete it.  I'll take him at his word.

As far as taxes, I will have to reasearch his increases.  I've also read that he decreased many taxes.  I love the fact that as a candidate for President, he supports and would work to implement the Fair Tax.  If you don't know about it--it means no more income taxes, no more IRS, and no more government control of your money before you get it.  I can't imagine there is a more conservative policy than that.  The chances of repealing the 16th ammendment would be slim, but this is a great chance to get the debate of who should be in control of your money into the national spotlight.

 Aside from that, Huckabee is right on on abortion, the war on terror, gun control, he's a big Homeschool supporter, which is important to me as a homeschool parent.  I think he's a good candidate and will be interested to see how he does debate-wise now that he's top tier. 

He may have a rough time with the immigration, but all these guys  put together are not the perfect conservative and I'm afraid we will not get a great conservative before socialism hits us hard with Mrs. Clinton or a future democrat-socialist. 

The Unfair Tax

I love the fact that as a candidate for President, he supports and would work to implement the Fair Tax. Hmmm. What is fair about a tax that disproportionately burdens the poor?  What is fair about hitting me at a tax rate of close to 31% on virtually everything I buy (I factor in TX's sales tax as well). Do you have ANY CLUE about what that will do to my wallet (slam it shut)? ANYTIME yo hear something touted as "fair"...that is your cue to RUN.  If you don't know about it--it means no more income taxes There is nothing wrong with income taxes...that is, if they were dramatically simplified.  That's why I supported Steve Forbes many moons ago., no more IRS, right. That's a baldfaced lie. As long as the United States government gets revenues, there will ALWAYS be an IRS.  If we could implement Steve Forbes' "flat tax" plan, we'd still have an IRS...but one with a single office in Washington and MAYBE 100 people.  I like that idea much better.  And what do you think, that the states will jsut collect the money gratis?  And what of AK and NH, two states I knwo of who have NO mechanism for collecting sales taxes to begin with, as they have none? and no more government control of your money before you get it.  And government attacking "C" relentlessly and driving the segment of GDP that powers our economy into the toilet. I can't imagine there is a more conservative policy than that.  Whenever I hear a sentence like this, its my cue to run like hell.  Forcing the consuming public to slam their wallets shut is HARDLY conservative. 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

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The liberal press has

The liberal press has replaced McCain with Huckabee here lately....that is until his ride is done, which will be soon IMO.

When the liberal press loves ya' all the sudden and you have an 'R' behind your name you better take off those rose-colored glasses.

LOL!

I know I know I wasn't commenting on Tapper's questions to him, but I have heard a lot of this anyway...just putting in my two cents when it comes to Huckabee. 

Huckabee scarier than Ron Paul

http://www.townhall....

I think that is why the media supports Huckabee, as well as being an easier opponent for Hillary.

Aside from Ron's foreign policies I could vote for him...between Mike and Hillary I think I will go third party.

I know I don't have the

I know I don't have the political chops you guys have, but this continuous search for Ronald Reagan, a man who I greatly admire, is unhealthy. Reagan was one of a kind. He was the right man, at just the right time. Reagan was the leader of a movement, a movement that is still alive today.

Now granted, none of the Republican candidates are leading any kind of movement, the front runners though, are experienced executives. They have actually run something, and accomplished something. Something that NONE of the democrat candidates can claim. Hillary, Barrack, and Edwards are the lightest of lightweights. None of them have run a company. None of them has ever been responsible for meeting a payroll. Honestly, there is a reason why governors are more likely to win the Presidency than not.

It worries me greatly, that our party's voters will basically hand the Presidency to Hillary, or Barrack, rather than compromise their principals. I'm not a Huckabee fan, but he would do a better job than anything the dems could throw up there.

There are two BIG issues facing this country: Illegals and the war on terror. Little else really matters. And frankly, the WOT trumps it all. We need a President that will be just as tuned into this as President Bush.

So, go throw some cold water on your faces, and be ready to vote for whomever wins the Republican nomination, because if we stay at home, we KNOW what we will end up with, and it WILL NOT BE GOOD!

Hi Gary... I would hope

Hi Gary...

I would hope our party would vote for Huckabee if he was the winner in the primaries....I know I would.

Anyone is better than Hillary from our side of the aisle...theirs too for that matter...heheheee

I agree

"Anyone is better than Hillary from our side of the aisle...theirs too for that matter...heheheee"
Hillary being voted in would be terrible for any American.Republican/Democrat or Independent.Her brothers would do well.How much are paroles going for now?
Back OT.The comment on immigration was pathetic by Huckabee but better him than her.Congressional elections are going to be key.We really need to get some folks in that actually listen to the people.Immigration is high on my list as well as WOT.

Hi 99... SC Judges, well

Hi 99...

SC Judges, well all judges for that matter are high on my list along with being self-dependent here on our own oil and nuclear more refineries ect...of course our borders and of course the terrorist world-wide let alone right here....just a few things that matter a lot to me.

Btw...did you watch that game last night between the Broncos and the Warriors?

Sad....boo-hoo...

 

Yup bigtimer

"SC Judges, well all judges for that matter are high on my list along with being self-dependent here on our own oil and nuclear more refineries ect...of course our borders and of course the terrorist world-wide let alone right here....just a few things that matter a lot to me."

Same on those issues.They are important.We have been too dependent on other countries.Time to become self reliant.Still I want to see a congress  that listens to the people.Glad I didnt hold my breathe waiting for the fence to be built.

Yes I watched the game.It seemed like BSU played on their heels alot.Hawaii has a good team and I hope they go undefeated.The WAC gets very little attention.I wonder which bowl BSU will get?  

Oh yeah, I will vote for

Oh yeah, I will vote for whomever wins the nomination, because again, if any of the dims come to power, in ten years this country would be unrecognizable!

This may very well be THE election of our lifetime. This election will define which direction our ountry takes for at least four years, and as long as 16.

There is no perfect candidate, none. But there never has been. Reagan came to the party late on abortions, and signed amnesty for what, 3 million illegals? And he is overwhelmingly the greatest President this Nation has ever seen!

Personally, I go back and forth between Rudy and Mitt, mainly because they can win the general election. And because they both have serious executive experience. Rudy managed to do some incredible things in very liberal environment. If we could clone the guy and send his clones to various cities in trouble, crime wise, you know they'd get cleaned up!

Mitt is also a strong executive, and would make sure the country would be run fiscally sound. He also has the right answers when asked about illegal aliens. Both Mitt and Rudy would hold the line on the WOT.

I like Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter, a lot. But both men are kinda one issue candidates. Both men would be great veeps. Hunter has a military background, and a son fighting for us. That should counter the usual suspects who always claim Republics don't fight in the military.

If I could pick the ticket myself, it would be a Rudy/Mitt ticket. Actually you could switch POTUS and VPOTUS and still have the right ticket. Hunter would be SecDef. Tancredo could be Homeland Secretary. If Mitt and Rudy could forge the kind of relationship Bush and Cheney have, it would be incredible!

But those, of course, are just my opinions.

Well said.

Well said.

Huckabee sounds like a

Huckabee sounds like a horrible choice.  You can't reward illegals with benefits.  Honestly, I don't know enough about this guy yet because I never took him seriously; however, his views on illegal invaders has me writing him off.

Grind our heels into Huckabee's campaign

I was leaning between Thompson and Huckabee but now I will never even consider voting for him. With statements like that, it's no wonder that conservatives are steaming mad and giving up on our party and saying "Why the hell should I try anymore." Screw Huckabee. Let's "grind our heels" into his campaign and stomp it out for good.

 

"Where would we be without the agitators of the world attaching the electrodes of knowledge to the nipples of ignorance?"

Thompson/Hunter '08!

Thompson/Hunter '08!

Hunter Thompson? Fear and

Hunter Thompson? Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '08

Christian media pushing Huckabee

Huckabee is getting a lot of exposure in the Christian magazine Charisma.  Charisma has endorsed Huckabee and has run several articles boosting his campaign.  One of those articles was penned by James Robison, whose TV program appears weekdays on several cable channels, both secular and religious.  And the current issue includes a full page ad announcing that Huckabee will appear on the syndicated Believer's Voice of Victory with Kenneth Copeland all next week.  The topic:  Character.

I can't imagine the lefties won't jump on all of this.  Charisma is a for profit magazine, but Copeland, whose financial records are already being investigated by Sen. Chuck Grassley, may well find himself explaining his actions to the IRS.  And all of this may end up before the Federal Election Commission.

Huckabee supporters had better hope his lawyers have reviewed all of this thoroughly.

When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.

The Huckabee Campaign needs

The Huckabee Campaign needs to be crushed.  People know they are getting a Rino with Guiliani, but Huckabee has many conservatives fooled.  Every time I see another Mexican flag flying on US soil, and I see a lot where I live, I will think of Hackabee. 

If we do not secure that border soon this thing will come down to a literal fight if we wish to save the Republic. 

Duncan Hunter for President!!!!

http://www.gohunter08.com/

 

Wake Up Friends

I am really concerned for us in this next election when I consider the perils we are facing in this country like terrorism, a crashing dollar, the Iraq war, the threat of socialized medicine, and on and on. Do you REALLY want to put all this in the hands of Hillary clinton and the moveon.org crowd?

As a Christian I would greatly prefer an anti-abortion candidate of course but in elections as in life I can't have what I want all the time and have to do the best I can with the choices in front of me.

Friends we have to vote against Hillary. Let's not let our high ideals destroy us. We have to beat her. Any of our candidates are head and shoulders above her, especially with the probability of losing so many more seats in the Senate and House. (just check out how many incumbant Republicans are not running next time!)

Wake up guys.

Here is a great article we all should read. http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/hillary-edwards-tough-1928255-big-foreign

Lisa... Everyone here (99%)

Lisa... Everyone here (99%) agrees that Hillary has to be stopped, and the same for all the other Dem wanna-be's. As the article points out them dems running for POTUS are all pretty much the same product in different packaging. The question then comes down to who do we as Conservatives, and the undecided's in the middle, vote for. For my strong Conservative leanings I would love to see Fred get the nod. For me, he is the strongest Conservative running, with Duncan coming in 2nd place. Duncan Hunter will not win the primary, so Fred becomes the obvious choice for me. As far as the rest of the GOP field is concerned, they are all RINOS. This leads us to a huge problem. Many here at NB would vote for these RINOS, and there's the rub. It is the RINOS in the GOP that have taken the GOP down from it's once proud position on the political landscape. I get a headache just thinking that I may have to vote for a RINO because they won the primary.

A vote for a RINO is a vote against the Dems, but I prefer to vote for a real Conservative! 

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but I prefer to vote for a

but I prefer to vote for a real Conservative!

 Me too. We just ain't got one who is viable. Even Fred who I would happily vote for has some liberal baggage like voting for McCain Feingold I believe. I can't recall it all off the top of my head....Fred doesn't seem to be running a very effective campaign either which causes me a little concern in that running a successful presidency is no doubt much harder.

I like Duncan Hunter too but he doesn't have a prayer of getting the nom or beating Hillary.

I am worried sick that conservatives will be too self-righteous to vote for an imperfect R candidate to beat the Hildebeast or that they'll get a 3rd party candidate in to totally destroy our chances like Ross perot did which gave us a Clinton white house in the first place. It should have never happened.

I just think we all really need to understand what we are facing here.

Lisa... I'm not sure how

Lisa... I'm not sure how close you have followed Fred, so for this post I'm going to assume that you have not followed him closely. You can correct me if I'm wrong.

Fred did join-up with McCain Fiengold for that stupid bill, something he has appologized for more than once. He openly admits that it was a mistake and a bad bill. How many times do you hear a politician admit they are wrong? Like almost never! I have followed Fred since his early days when running for Senator in TN. One thing you learn quickly about Fred is, he does things his way. Keep in mind that it's the media that has tried to convince people that he's lazy, but go and look at what he's accomplished over the years and you find that he is anything but lazy. As I stated, Fred does things his way, and he's darn good at it. 

Most everyone here understands what we are facing and we know that Hillary has to be beaten. Don't spend so much time worrying about what may happen. Instead get behind the candidate of your choice and work hard for them. This is the only way.

A few prayers will help!

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Fred is a Good Guy

I probably have been just a little turned off to Fred (and I honestly mean a little) by FNC which is the only news I will watch anymore as I despise the mainstream media more than words can say.  They have said Fred's campaign is chaotic so that's where I got that impression since I obviously am not involved personally with the candidiate's operation.

I absolutely think Fred is incredibly accomplished and anything but lazy. That is a typical liberal media attack. (southern-stupid-lazy) If he is our guy I will be behind him 100% and enthusiastically so. My only point back then was to say none of our candidates are perfect conservatives and have made mistakes, ( I do appreciate those who admit them), And that we have to do the best we can with the people available.

I do concede the point that the people here are much more informed and involved than the average person. It is the average conservative I am concerned about from past experience. I do pray they turn out in '08 and do pray for the best possible President to be elected. With all my heart and soul I do.

If professing Christians turned out to vote- we couldn't lose.

You are very right that we need to be physically involved in helping a candidiate as well as prayerfully.

 

The Odds of Beating Hillary

In the general election (assuming Hillary is the Dem candidate) there are only two candidates that can be shown to have what it takes to win the election. What does it take? I am glad you asked. It takes a governor. In every election since Hoover, where a governor was the candidate (of either party) the governor has won the election. (Hoover was a cabinet secretary)

Here is a breakdown in order of who, historically speaking, has the best chance of winning against a Former First Lady & Senator:

 

Can win:

Incumbent President

None

Cabinet Secretaries:

None

Governors:

Mike Huckabee
Mitt Romney

Vice Presidents:

None

Commanding Generals of the Army:

None

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No Chance Historically:

US Senators:

John McCain
Fred Thompson

(Note: Having been a First Lady of both a State, and the US; and a Senator, likely trumps a Senator only)

Mayors of Major Cities:


Rudy Giuliani

US Representatives:


Duncan Hunter
Ron Paul
Tom Tancredo

UN Ambassadors:


Alan Keyes

Local Party Chiefs:


John Cox

Britcom... This is really

Britcom... This is really cool news. It means that Fred will be making history when he takes the oath for POTUS! 

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Sorry Clear

JFK was a Senator....so Fred's inauguration won't be quite THAT historic.

But it will be cool. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

JFK

JFK was a Senator, but it is important to point out that his opponent, Nixon, was a Vice President, not a Governor. Historically speaking, if a Governor had run against Senator JFK, then that Governor would have won the general election. Not to mention that Nixon nearly won that election anyway. (some even say that it was stolen from him.)

Thanks, Brit

As I listen to HRC drone on in the background....I just want to say that it's a new day in Presidential politics.

Anyone But Hillary.

And yes....I believe JFK won that election by deception.  The first "stolen" election, if you will. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

On this I agree

"I am worried sick that conservatives will be too self-righteous to vote for an imperfect R candidate to beat the Hildebeast or that they'll get a 3rd party candidate in to totally destroy our chances like Ross perot did which gave us a Clinton white house in the first place. It should have never happened."

I am neither a Rep or Conserv but I dont want any of the Dems in.The reason has to with them not serveing the country.Bottom line I dont like Left wingers...or Right.To me there is a difference between them and real consev/libs.Rudy and Huck are way to soft on illegal immigration.I want someone in there that looks out for the interest of the American people.Forget being leader of the Free World.Be the leader of this country first.That and one supporting kicking the UN out of this country would be good.Send it to Rwanda.Anyhow who ever wins among Reps will get my vote because the alternative would be terrible for this country.