In the free-for-all that followed Tavis Smiley’s hostile GOP presidential debate in August, Michael Fauntroy was featured by Smiley’s show and several other liberal media outlets as an instant pundit on the subject, author of the book plainly titled Republicans and the Black Vote. But Sunday night on the Huffington Post, Fauntroy slammed a not-so-new documentary on blacks and the GOP as pathetic propaganda:
In arguing that the Dems were racist and that the GOP has been miscast by the liberal media as the enemy of Black people, Emancipation, Revelation, and Revolution completely overlooks the role of ideology in policymaking. Conservatives have long opposed Black progress. Conservatives opposed Reconstruction and civil rights. Conservatives pushed the "Lily-White" movement that purged Blacks from leadership of state Republican parties throughout the South. Conservatives have pushed for the maintenance of a racial status quo that held down Blacks and then blamed them for the lots in life.
Fauntroy is the nephew of former D.C. Delegate (and Democrat) Walter Fauntroy, and obviously the family resemblance is quite ideological.
There is more of Fauntroy's typical liberal take on how Reagan and Bush have undermined the "civil rights" movement here.
















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Michael Fauntroy
November 19, 2007 - 12:51 ET by PShannonMichael Fauntroy has no knowledge of American history or he's an absolute liar -- then again, both.
change the word
November 19, 2007 - 13:08 ET by TruthMongerchange the word "conservative" to "Democrat" and he's got it right:)...
MSM long-term history revisionism project #666-7345:
Occasionally and quitely substitute the word "conservative" for "Democrat" regarding American black history, try very hard not to let the MRC notice
(ref. DNC directive 09182734126424203948234-817234)
Question
November 19, 2007 - 13:11 ET by sunandsteelHow exactly do Dem "leaders" encourage black progress (or progress by anyone for that matter) by going around promising free money, free health care, free housing, so on and so on?
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Good Question...
November 19, 2007 - 13:15 ET by Clear thinkerI guess the Dems are trying to invent a new meaning for the word "progress".
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they don't encourage it -
November 19, 2007 - 13:23 ET by TruthMongerthey don't encourage it - but obviously that's bad PR, so enter the MSM for long-term, never-ending spin control...
but Lincoln freed the slaves (Repub, ahem), Dems fought the Civil Rights Act of 64', Dems ran the KKK - the history is unchangeable
the Dems still cleverly use the plantation - for the black votes of course
Rush has it right - how long have they been voting Dem? And how are they doing as a result?
What kind of amazes me is
November 19, 2007 - 13:36 ET by sunandsteelWhat kind of amazes me is that people year in year out believe this nonsense. How many times have grand promises of a brighter future been made around election time, only to be dropped as soon as that person is in office?
And that whole entitlement mentality will be the death of us if we dont fix it. I'm not that old, but I am amazed at the attitude of some kids and young "adults" that think that they should just be given tons of money for nothing, or they should be able to get the good paying jobs no matter what they have done (criminal record, school, etc...).
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
it's projection (again)...
November 19, 2007 - 13:16 ET by wizardjrYou're right about swapping the political party names. Some years ago it came to me that the lefties are constantly projecting (in the psychological sense of the word). They constantly accuse the conservatives and Republicans of what they themselves have done or will do. I am beginning to believe that they believe that we are all the same and all have the same motivations - they just beat us to it. Thus we are guilty of every perversion that they imagine for themselves.
1902 and 1903
November 19, 2007 - 13:08 ET by PamThat's how far I had to reach back in time to find :
NO MORE REMOVALS OF ALABAMA "LILY WHITES"; President Said to Think They Have Been Punished Enough. Story That Mr. Clarkson Had Discovered Treachery to Mr. Roosevelt in the South. http://query.nytimes...
and
NEGROES LOSE FIGHT IN NORTH CAROLINA; Pritchard's "Lilly Whites" Recognized by the President. Politicians in Washington Are Puzzled by Contradictory Aspects of Mr. Roosevelt's Policy in the South.
http://query.nytimes...
Without a single fact at your disposal
November 19, 2007 - 17:21 ET by KeithYou prattle on anyway! IF you took time to read Mr Fauntroy's article which I doubt, since most of you lack the intelligence to understand it anyway, you would see how wrong you are. This government has engaged in a systematic undercover effort to change the "standard of proof" as it relates to civil rights cases. The first nod to the racists was the inclusion of a "time limit". Why should there be a time "limit" on the TRUTH? Funny, how there's no statute of limitations on murder, huh? So, the inclusion of these "limitations" in the original legislation was a nod to the racists to begin with! I realize that the racist deniers on this site have an interest in refuting this but the facts are here, since most of you just read the blurbs and regurgitate your ill informed opinions from that, I'll help you out. (the below is quoted from Mr Fautroy's article).
"The dismantling of Federal civil rights enforcement under Reagan took two forms occurring concomitantly. First, was the freezing or reducing of funding for agencies charged with enforcement of federal civil rights laws and regulations. Rather than overtly end these programs and agencies, the Reagan administration sought to starve them to prevent them from doing their work. In this way, they could largely achieve their goal of civil rights deregulation without seeking the abolition of the programs and agencies, thereby providing some political cover. Second, was the hiring of individuals to lead these organizations, or take high-ranking positions therein, who were ideologically pre-disposed to not enforce federal civil rights laws and regulations as aggressively as their predecessors. These actions deregulated federal civil rights enforcement and created an environment in which civil rights violations could occur with near impunity and certainly with much less fear of federal reprisals than before.In some departments, enforcement either shifted in new ways, was reduced, or discontinued. One congressional investigation concluded that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission shifted away from class action lawsuits, elevated the standard of proof to establish reasonable cause, orally directed staff not to recommend the use of goals and time tables and not to intervene in cases in which goals and timetables were proposed as a remedy for discrimination, and accelerated closure of cases at the expense of quality of investigations. The Justice Department filed no cases under the Fair Housing Act of 1968 during its first year under Reagan; they filed two in 1982. Under presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter, the department averaged thirty-two cases a year."
Now, before you reflexive deniers pipe up, where are YOUR facts? Here are his. He has shown CONCLUSIVELY that there was a pattern designed to lessen enforcement in this area and shown with statistics that this effort was successful. Where are YOUR facts? Or do you people just argue like silly liberals and talk about how you "feel"? P.S. I knew the NB staff would NOT print the factually relevant portions of the article although they DID link to it. But how many of the lowbrows actually read the whole thing? hmmmm.
Now, before you reflexive deniers pipe up, where are YOUR facts?
November 19, 2007 - 17:29 ET by MightyMouthWhat if some of us aren't racist and just want less guberment interference in our lives? What about us? Can we pipe up too?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
keith... ROFLMAO! You
November 19, 2007 - 17:38 ET by bigtimerkeith...
ROFLMAO!
You never disappoint.
....so glad you are here to teach us all how it really is.
Wasn't it the Republicans...
November 19, 2007 - 13:12 ET by rbchaffe...that emancipated them? That allowed them the vote? Aren't the conservatives the ones that are in favor of enabling businesses to thrive, thus allowing said businesses to hire the poor unemployed, mostly consisting of minorities? Aren't the liberals ("progressives") the ones that want to instead tax businesses out of existence thus adding more people to the dole? Amazing how history can be rewritten.
Which is why Conservatives
November 19, 2007 - 13:31 ET by dscottWhich is why Conservatives and Repubs have a doubly vested interest in the success of Blacks, not their failure. We are opposed to Welfare and any other Socialistic government handouts. If we eliminate the reason for being on Welfare then we also eliminate the cornerstone of Dem power - hand outs (voting buying bribes) from the public treasury.
With the level of poverty among "citizens" dropping due to the economy, the Dems have to import poverty from Mexico and SA to keep up their voting base and continue with the bleeding heart pitch to the rest of the liberals. It's getting so bad for the bureaucrats that they have resorted to advertising to get more clients to take their handouts, they call it "outreach".
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.
One of the top Democrat Lies of all time.
November 19, 2007 - 13:35 ET by mattm"Conservatives have long opposed Black progress...Reconstruction and civil rights...pushed the "Lily-White" movement that purged Blacks from leadership of state Republican parties throughout the South...pushed for the maintenance of a racial status quo that held down Blacks and then blamed them for the lots in life."
This is what the Democrats have done. The Civil War was started by Democrats who feared a Republican president would free their black slaves. The Jim Crow laws were enacted by Democrats. The 1964 Civil Rights Act was opposed by a majority of Democrats and only passed because most Republicans voted for it. The Dems enacted welfare and affirmative action as ways to look like they care about blacks, while putting them in a cycle of dependency and permanent second class status.
This is made clear whenever a black person circumvents the Liberal prescriptions and rises to prominence without them; they go apoplectic.
matt, none of that
November 19, 2007 - 14:35 ET by motherbeltmatt, none of that matters. Nor does the fact that Republicans like GW Bush elevate and promote blacks to important offices. Because everyone "knows" that they only do those good things to disguise the fact that they hate blacks.
<sarc off>
Democrats posture at "caring" for black people by assuming they can't accomplish anything on their own, and need all the help they offer. They can't afford to let blacks succeed, because then they won't need the Democrats any more. The really bad part about it is, after 40 years of the (Democrat -run) welfare state and 30 years of (Democrat-established) affirmative action, Democrats are still telling blacks how bad off they are, and blacks still trust Democrats to make things better.
You're absolutely right RB
November 19, 2007 - 17:36 ET by KeithIt WAS the REPUBLICAN party that did ALL those things! A debt that we can never repay. It was also the "conservatives" both dem and Republican, who sought to erode previously given protections. History is not being "re-written" as you say, much like BUSH was willing to ENDANGER the security of this country to BOW TO HIS MASTERS in the business community as it relates to illegal immigration, conservatives have long been making decisions with the "business community" in mind. The reason that statute limits existed for this type of prosecution in the FIRST PLACE was a nod to the business community! Anything that made the claims harder to prosecute helped them, DUH! Those of us who have made money in government circles know that who they put in charge of an agency, dictates the efficacy of the agency! Thus NONE of you have even bothered to address the truth of the following...
"One congressional investigation concluded that the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission shifted away from class action lawsuits, elevated the standard of proof to establish reasonable cause, orally directed staff not to recommend the use of goals and time tables and not to intervene in cases in which goals and timetables were proposed as a remedy for discrimination, and accelerated closure of cases at the expense of quality of investigations. "
Hmmm. The effectiveness of an agency is dictated by those in charge. Putting a do nothing like Clarence Thomas in charge of the EEOC for instance, virtually insured a lower number of complaints being processed by that agency, which I believe was the case! Just a lesson in how the gov't works outside the lines for those not "in the know". It's amazing that it doesn't even pierce the fog of your racist denials that the EEOC without a congressional mandate, CHANGED THE STANDARD OF PROOF TO ESTABLISH REASONABLE CAUSE!!!!!!! How could this have of happened if not by design? How could CONGRESS CONCLUDE that they "orally directed staff NOT to recommed the use of goals and timetables, while those "goals and timetables" were PART OF THE LEGISLATION! Again, move along folks, nothin' to see here? This causes none of you pause? If not, it must be true what they say about you.
it must be true what they say about you.
November 19, 2007 - 18:29 ET by MightyMouthJust what do "they" say about us? "They want less government, they must be assholes". ??
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
In most cases the ones to
November 19, 2007 - 18:26 ET by Dan The Man 2In most cases the ones to profit from the class action law suits are the lawyers who bring them to the courts. In teh tobacco related cases how many people have benifited from the cases brought before the courts? What do teh class action law suits do but line the legal eagles pockets, just ask John Edwards about that.
The cases were vague and they were asked to be more specific and germain to a situation. Of course your mind is a closed book.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Everett Dirksen vs Al Gore, Sr
November 19, 2007 - 13:27 ET by Hunter12From Wikipedia and about a thousand other sites (cites) ; ):
Everett McKinley Dirksen (January 4, 1896 – September 7, 1969) was a Republican U.S. Congressman and Senator from Illinois. As Republican Senate leader he played a highly visible and key role in the politics of the 1960s, including helping to write and pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964. He later offered his support for the Open Housing Act of 1968, another landmark piece of Civil Rights legislation.
From a prominent Black American Conservative, R.D. Davis:
In a recent speech to the NAACP, Vice President Gore said his father lost his Senate seat because he supported civil rights legislation. Fellow black Americans, let me set history straight. Al Gore, Sr., together with the rest of the southern Democrats, voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Congressional Quarterly reported that, in the House of Representatives, 61% of Democrats (152 for, 96 against) voted for the Civil Rights Act as opposed to 80% of Republicans (138 for, 38 against). In the Senate, 69% of Democrats (46 for, 21 against) voted for the Act while 82% of Republicans did (27 for, 6 against). All southern Democrats voted against the Act.
In his remarks upon signing the Civil Rights Act, President Lyndon Johnson praised Republicans for their "overwhelming majority." He did not offer similar praise to his own Democratic Party. Moreover, Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen, an Illinois Republican, collaborated with the White House and the Senate leadership of both parties to draft acceptable compromise amendments to end the southern Democrats' filibuster of the Act. It was Dirksen who often took to the Senate floor to declare, "This is an idea whose time has come. It will not be denied." Dirksen's greatest triumph earned him the Leadership Conference of Civil Rights Award, presented by then-NAACP Chairman Roy Wilkins, for his remarkable civil rights leadership.
Inform yourself, so you can learn for yourself about this important historical event. All official records about the Civil Rights Act can be found in the June 1964 issues of Congressional Quarterly.
Al Gore, Sr. did not stop at simply voting against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In addition, Congressional Quarterly reported that Gore attempted to send the Act to the Senate Judiciary Committee with an amendment to say "in defiance of a court desegregation order, federal funds could not be held from any school districts." Gore sought to take the teeth out of the Act in the event it passed.
Ostensibly, Senator Gore was "elated" at the idea of young Al, Jr. going to school with black children. In reality, however, the future vice president attended an elite private school.
In the end, the Gore Amendment was defeated by a vote of 74-25. Senator J. William Fulbright of Arkansas, one of President Bill Clinton's political mentors, was among the 23 southern Democratic senators and only one Republican voting with Gore for this racist amendment.
Of course, liberal revisionist have tried to have their way with the Gore legend.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
It's where you get your information.
November 19, 2007 - 14:28 ET by Hunter12Someone who will be voting for the first time in the 2008 election could have been born almost 30 years after all the things we've doucmented here took place. If their main source of information turns out to be the MSM, this revisionist type of history will work well for the Democrats.
I've never understood why a solid voting bloc, like the Black vote could support a group who generally only turns to them every 2 or 4 years and supports policies that keep family units apart and the handout mentality going. I've never understood why the Jewish vote is supporting the woman who has demonstrated more support for the group that wants to wipe their homeland off the face of the earth.
Let's hope the recent news that people are starting to do their own research on the candidates is true.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
Puulease
November 19, 2007 - 16:25 ET by zootallureDemocrats opposed the Abolitionist
Democrats supported slavery and fought and gave their lives to expand it
Democrats supported and passed the Fugitive Slave Laws of 1793 & 1854
Democrats supported and passed the Missouri Compromise to protect slavery
Democrats supported and passed the Kansas Nebraska Act to expand slavery
Democrats supported and backed the Dred Scott Decision
Democrats supported and passed Jim Crow Laws
Democrats supported and passed Black Codes
Democrats opposed educating blacks and murdered our teachers
Democrats opposed the Reconstruction Act of 1867
Democrats opposed the Freedmans Bureau as it pertained to blacks
Democrats opposed the Emancipation Proclamation
Democrats opposed the 13th , 14th, and 15th Amendments to end slavery, make black citizens and give blacks the right to vote
Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866
Democrats opposed the Civil Right Act of 1875 and had it overturned by U.S. Supreme Court
Various Democrats opposed the 1957 Civil Rights Acts
Various Democrats argued against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Acts
Various Democrats argued against the passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Acts
Various Democrats voted against the 1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act
Democrats supported and backed Judge John Ferguson in the case of Plessy v Ferguson
Democrats supported the School Board of Topeka Kansas in the case of Brown v The Board of Education of Topeka Kansas.
Southern Democrats opposed desegregation and integration
*During the past 21 decades the Democrats successfully disguised and concealed their horrific acts against the African Americans by operating and committing these acts under the following aliases: the Confederacy, Jim Crow, Black Codes, the Dixiecrats and the Ku Klux Klan. Congressional records, historical documents, and the letters and testimonies from several brave black citizens revealed that these groups werent separate independent organizations, but were actual auxiliaries, divisions and/or the legislative efforts of the Democratic Party. The debates on the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 further revealed that these auxiliaries were committed to use every means possible to carry out the Democrats racist agenda of White Supremacy, including: lynchings, murders, intimidation, mutilations, decapitations and racially bias legislation and adjudication.
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT
November 19, 2007 - 18:50 ET by KeithGreat scholarship there ZOOTALLURE! Finally, someone with FACTS to back up his argument! The only bone I would pick would be that Fauntroy's gripe ( and mine) was about "CONSERVATIVE" racists! Not necessarily "REPUBLICAN'S". Most of the "dixie-crats" were VERY CONSERVATIVE as were most of the "southern racists". This had NOTHING to do with their "party affiliation" as there were "democrats" and "republicans" in the NORTH who sacrificed mightily in the cause of Abolition! While Mr Fauntroy is raging against the conservative positions of certain Republican admins and probably would have no problem with a blurring of the lines on that account, the word "REPUBLICAN" appears in his article NOWHERE. He's talking about conservatives and there can be NO DOUBT that the erosions of protections that he laboriously cites took place when and how he says that they did! Sorry if that heaps a coal or two on Ronnie's head. Now, ALL of THAT said, (lol), why the HECK hasn't some enterprising REPUBLICAN (hint hint) taken the list BRILLIANTLY COMPILED by ZOOTALLURE and made a PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT IT? It's friggin' brilliant! I know for a fact that when I engage African Americans in political discussion and mention that it was the Republican party which both freed the slaves AND led the eventual charge for full civil rights, they're SHOCKED! The dis-information campaign didn't just start with Dan Rather guys, it started with Walter Cronkite! African Americans and a whole lotta whites think it was the DEMOCRATS that did all that for blacks! I hate to use a cliched phrase like" this speaks to the need to effectively get one's message out", which the libs rely on every time they lose! But SHEESH! Talk about turning the world UPSIDE DOWN!!!! I could see a series of Political commercials with a voice over saying, " The republican party has long been at the vanguard for civil rights, despite a MASSIVE propagandistic campaign from liberals to take credit for Republican achievements in civil rights, we of the republican party wish to re-affirm our long standing tradition of working for the civil rights of ALL AMERICANS". Under which a scroll just like the one ZOOTALLER printed above would slowly roll. At the end of the spot perhaps a website where folks could follow each piece of legislation for themselves! Blacks, while politically naive, aren't STUPID! If they KNEW who's been "stickin' it to 'em" all these years they'd turn on the DEMS like the DEMS turned on Joe Lieberman!!Just a thought. Good work Zoo.
Unfortunately, keith, It's my experience
November 19, 2007 - 18:58 ET by RJthat when I offer that kind of information to blacks (one a professor of journalism), they pretend it's not important....maybe because I'm white and am therefore not to be trusted?
I'm sick of the so-called
November 19, 2007 - 17:33 ET by bigtimerI'm sick of the so-called civil rights movement....it is way past old now....the intentional divide they attempt to keep strong between the blacks and whites is getting way past old....
With the leftists they have to hang on to the black vote, illegal aliens voting, cheating at the booth by anyone they can get to do so....threatening lawsuits if they think they may lose...on and on it goes....
They should be worried though, people are going to wake up and smell the real coffee, it is the leftists keeping them down, not the white or black conservatives.
With time the left will undermine themselves in the long run.
The "so-CALLED" civil rights movement
November 19, 2007 - 18:11 ET by KeithSMALLTIMER, I know that you're not that bright, having debated you in the past as it related to your "unregenerated, improperly baptized" status. But to put the words "SO CALLED" in front of "civil rights movement" is particularly heinous. IT's easy for do nothings like yourself to criticize those who actually have "skin in the game"! To you Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just "race hustlers" making it all up as they go along! While both of these men have done things that I regard as questionable there can be no doubt that they arose to prominence in RESPONSE to discrimination! Unless you think all those blacks eating and going to the bathroom in segregated facilities were just victims of "so called" racism! Was the civil rights movement "so called" when Jesse Lee Jackson was killed? For those of you who went to public school, this was one of the catalysts for SELMA marches which started the whole ball of wax. I realize that many of you racist deniers like to hide behind the misguided belief that whites have somehow magically changed, but when did that happen? What classes have you taken? You rail against anyone who describes your former racist behavior as disgusting or abominable, preferring to relegate it to "sign of the times" status, so when did you all change? Was there a meeting? And if the civil rights movement in your ill informed opinion is now, SO CALLED, how does one of your presumably egalitarian bent explain disparity in pay among the "so called" races? Or gender? These statistics were compiled from a government study done just a few years ago. Perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the world that the rest of us live in. Not the "so called" world but the real one.
"Executive Summary Median Salaries: This survey of California’s state civil service work force of more than 160,000 finds median annual salaries of full-time women workers remained significantly below those of full-time men workers in 1995, and median salaries of African-Americans and Hispanics were significantly lower than those of whites and Asian-Americans. Women earned markedly less than men in all racial and ethnic groups. The findings are important because state government is the largest employer in California, other than the federal government. Its salary and employment trends likely are reflected in less public workplaces. The median salary paid women was 74 percent of the median that went to men. As Table 1 shows, men earned a median of $46,020; women $34,236. African-Americans and Hispanics -- men and women together -- earned 85 percent of the $44,600 median paid to whites. Asian-Americans had a median about $1,100 higher than whites. Female Hispanics and female Pacific islanders had the lowest medians among all the racial, ethnic and gender groups, at about $31,900 each. Asian-American males had the highest at $51,400 -- meaning a difference of $19,500 per year between highest- and lowest-paid ethnic, racial and gender groups. Asian-American women earned the highest median among females -- but their pay was equal to the lowest median among males. Asian-American women had a median of $37,900, the same as Filipino-American men. Median salaries among males ranged from $37,900 to $51,400, varying by race and ethnic category, while the range was much narrower among women -- $31,830 to $37,920, also varying by race and ethnicity. Interestingly, white men had a median salary only $420 above the median of African-American men -- but the median of white women was $3,168 higher than the median of African-American women. Yet, nationally, more African-American women than African-American men are college graduates. White women earned 78 percent of the median paid white men. African-American women earned 72 percent of the median paid African-American men. Hispanic women earned 73 percent of the median paid Hispanic men. Asian-American women earned 74 percent of the median paid Asian-American men." There are MANY studies like this one all with similar conclusions! Gee, how come there's NEVER been ONE SINGLE STUDY which says, "the blacks just made it all up"? How come EVERY study finds discrimination and the need for "so called" civil rights, while you just keep plodding along with your head up your butt! The study in it's entirety can be found here...http://www.sen.ca.gov/sor/REPORTS/REPORTS_BY_SUBJ/Pub_Employment_Retirement/GLASS_CEILING.HTMAnd before some "denier" tries to jig the numbers, the disparity is among those with the SAME JOBS and SAME EDUCATION not receiving the SAME PAY. PROBABLY DOESN'T BOTHER YOU, THOUGH.
Oh Keith... Get a
November 19, 2007 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerOh Keith...
Get a grip...get a life and most of all get over yourself.
The civil rights movement is over Keith....I used so-called as in that is just what it is now, you know in the present...it is so-called because we all have equal rights now keith...all of us.
Got it?
The leftists are just using this to gain votes from voters like you...and critters like Jackson and Sharpton are has been scam artists...always have been by the way.
Sad.
Screech on keith that is all you know how to do here and act as if you are above all of us with your whiz-bang brain.
Hint hint...You are not.
I used so-called as in that
November 19, 2007 - 20:10 ET by JasonCI used so-called as in that is just what it is now, you know in the
present...it is so-called because we all have equal rights now keith
All is equal according to the law. I would argue that we have a long way to go for literal equality. Just look at the way that half of the posters on this site regard gay people and their place in culture.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Created Equal, not eternally kept equal
November 19, 2007 - 22:42 ET by Wolf PanglossThe Declaration of Independence stated:
This is no guarantee that all will be equal for their whole lives. Nor is it a guarantee that all have the same resources, whether mental, physical, spiritual, or social. The guarantee is that government shall not offer favored treatment to anybody by reason of their class or caste status. This is the reason why conservatives oppose any preferential treatment for any person by virtue of their pigmentation or any other trait, inborn or learned, other than their character and achievements or the lack thereof.
And if we're talking about economics, gay men are doing a lot better than hetro men and women. Kids are expensive and most gay men and women don't have them or adopt either.
The figures dont tell what
November 19, 2007 - 18:30 ET by Dan The Man 2The figures dont tell what is going on, like the education of such individuals or what their work habits are or any number of different variables.
What ever happened to a color blind society Kieth? With people like you it will never happen, you are the problem with Dr Kings dream.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Kept down by the Man
November 19, 2007 - 20:06 ET by Wolf PanglossKeith, you write:
OK, so if white people are keeping down the brown people then how is it that in California the brown Americans of Asian descent make more money than the white people? Or are you now claiming that nowadays those descended from Asian immigrants are the new Man, having taken the brass ring of Man-ness from the old White Man? So how did this miracle happen, if there was continuous official government racism in favor of less pigmented people and against more pigmented people? Is it possible that it happened because the racism against more pigmented people is over, all the true believers having retired or died already? Except for the former Grand Wizard of the KKK and current Honorable Senator from West Virginia, of course.
Besides which, reasonable cause seems to be a reasonable measure for bringing charges against employers and completely disrupting their business. Wikipedia defines reasonable cause like this:
Given that it takes probable cause to bring a case before a grand jury, and that it is well known that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich if it is accused of a crime, then an even lesser standard of proof cannot be too great a standard of proof to be borne. Especially if it is so weak a standard of proof that it gives Democrats apoplexy by its use in the USA Patriot Act.
Or could the explanation be hypocrisy?
Good stuff, Wolf. In
November 20, 2007 - 03:20 ET by KeithGood stuff, Wolf.
In examining the historical nature of oppression in the United States, one cannot appreciate the damage done without appreciating it's cause. The cause is HATRED. Whites have HATED blacks above and beyond the mere "nationalism" with which they greet most other groups. By saying "whites", I in no way mean ALL Whites, just those dastardly folk that run stuff!LOL. Without appreciating the animus that fuels racism, the above statistics would look like "hypocrisy". See, whites secretly envy Asians, although it's hard to see why since the only reason that their children are better at math would be considered CHILD ABUSE in the U.S. (lol). Now, it is STILL possible to think oneself better than someone who may have an advantage in one particular area. With Asians it's generally "math". But if you examine the history of Asian White relations you'll see that Whites were largely unable to "racially" oppress Asians, they just didn't "like" them. Sure, "individual" Asians got the "ching chong" Rosie O approach but it really didn't mean anything to the "psyche" of the Asian. Asians generally are clannish, I know, I was married to one until just recently. They also come from another country which honors education to the point where they have the HIGHEST SUICIDE RATES in the known universe! So when their kids who are BEATEN BLOODY for not studying come here, it's like a walk in the freakin' park! You can chart this if you care to by examining the test scores of Blacks WHO ARE NOT U.S CITIZENS! Better than white americans and black americans and slightly lower than asians are the tests for blacks from Caribbean nations! Like it or not pal, the U.S. has been the "scene of the crime" as it relates to what was done to the black race. Read some books from the nineteen twenties or heres a tome that might be helpful...
'Race', Racism and Psychology: Towards a Reflexive History by
G. Richards
In it you'll learn some of the complex mechanisms that were used to keep blacks down. Efforts that were not used with anyone else that was oppressed by the way. Blacks in this country were oppressed with a "long term" goal. And the diminishment of the race as a "whole" was the desired result. If you read the texts of the 20's and 30's from the moneyed "elite" they were full of racial "projections". They theorized exactly how many years it would take blacks to "catch up" to their white masters and they did everything they could to "roll back" the date "certain". This doctrine of psychological racism continues to beat in the breasts of racists even today! Didn't a nobel prize winner (gag) just come out and say that blacks afre naturally inferior to whites? I wonder how he'd explain ME who's I.Q. is even higher than HIS! (smile). They used academia, science and psychology to convince otherwise decent white folks that their barbarism was not only "okay", but was in fact "their duty". It was called "the white man's burden" although in fairness, the "burden" was borne by others! LOL. The complex web of society that closed it's net around the supposed intellectual inferiority of the negro was a club never used against ANY other aggreived party. But I think the fact that most Asians were either not educated here or were educated here with the "old world" values, explains that gap. I practice golf on a course where an Asian family BRINGS THEIR OWN PORTABLE HOMEWORK TABLE to the range and will not allow their kids to practice with their golf team until they sit there in front of the other kids and DO their homework! Different work ethic. By the way, I was not debating whether the new "standard of proof" was as good or better than the old one. I was saying that one was legislated and was ordained by the legislation and the other was changed arbitrarily by evil people who didn't want to see how deep the "rabbit hole" of race goes in this country! Had they adjudicated a different standard, so be it but they didn't. They declared it by fiat and that my friend is against the law.
}}---> Keith
November 20, 2007 - 04:41 ET by Cool ArrowI have to admit, your posts are a good read. I'll also admit you make me question my own understanding of racism, yes, frequently.
I know you've got lots to say, but sometimes you step on your message with sheer volume.
Having said that, if you ever write a book, I'll read it.
I'll ask now that you focus on this snippet from your post:
See, whites secretly envy Asians, although it's hard to see why since the only reason that their children are better at math would be considered CHILD ABUSE in the U.S. (lol).
Here's my question: Does the same principle not apply within a community that brings its brightest back in line with accusations of "acting White"?
Am I being imperceptive of your accomplishment thus far in life if I believe you heard just such taunts directed at you when you were growing up?
Just an invitation to dialogue.
If all this is true why do
November 19, 2007 - 20:00 ET by msh1973If all this is true why do the Dems hate Justice Thomas and Sec. Rice so much? I believe it was the liberal press that wrote those horrible editorial cartoons about the two of them.