Rock Star Bono: Clinton's a Genius, Let's Negotiate with al-Qaeda

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In his interview in the 40th anniversary of Rolling Stone, rock star Bono sounded more moderate on terrorism, but sadly, he turned to how Bill Clinton was a genius in talking with the IRA (his role in Irish peace was hailed by the media during his presidency) and how we need to talk with terrorists:

There is an imminent threat. It manifested itself on 9-11. It’s real and grave. It’s as serious a threat as Stalinism and National Socialism were. Let’s not pretend it isn’t. I think people as reasoned as Tony Blair looked at the world and didn’t want to be Neville Chamberlain, who came back from meeting with Hitler with a piece of paper saying "peace in our time," while Hitler was planning to cross the channel from France.

There is a world all of us have learned to undervalue: compromise. Bill Clinton once rang us, because he was collecting opinions on whether he should give Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams [of Sinn Fein, the political wing of the Irish Republican Army] a visa into the United States. I thought, "These people have put bombs in supermarkets, and many innocent people have lost their lives." So I said, "No. Don’t dignify them." And he said, "But shouldn’t you always talk to people?" And I said, "Yeah, but you dignify them."

I was wrong. Clinton did exactly the right thing in talking to the Provisional IRA and other elements. Now they have to do the same, in my opinion, with Hamas, and they have to do the same with Al Qaeda. You have to involve them in dialogue.

Here's a roundup of the other political items in Rolling Stone. From Eddie Vedder, lead singer of Pearl Jam:

ROLLING STONE: At the start of the Iraq war, you were called unpatriotic for wearing a Bush mask and performing ‘Bushleaguer.’ Do you feel vindicated?

EDDIE VEDDER: I wish it wasn’t this way, but we were proved right. The educated opinions we had at the beginning of this thing – of shock and awe– have all regretfully turned out to be true. Early on, people were trusting government more than we did. Now everybody’s trust has been betrayed.

Billie Joe Armstrong, lead singer of Green Day, likes Barack Obama:

"People don’t question their rulers, these political figures, just as they don’t question their ministers and priests. They’re not going to question George Bush, especially if he goes around talking about God - ‘I’m going to let God decide for me. He’s going to give me the answer.’ The fear of God keeps people silent.

Armstrong cast his first vote for Clinton, he said, and liked him as a fresh face with fresh ideas -- but then he didn’t like Clinton dropping bombs.

But he became a target. We have this puritanical vision of what a leader is supposed to be , and that’s what makes us the biggest hypocrites in the world. We got so inside this guy’s sexual habits. Now we have a president going around, killing in the name of what? In the name of nothing.

Bruce Springsteen thinks all grade-schoolers should get Jon Stewart training:

Jon Stewart is the first modern interpretive-media class on television. That’s what he does on a nightly basis. My kids, they put The Daily Show on, and they instinctively go, ‘Somebody’s telling me the truth.’ My son was 15 when he got plugged into it. There was a sense that finally the veil is being pulled away. It was the way I felt about ‘Highway 61': ‘My God, the veil is being pulled away, and I’m getting a view of the real America and the real me.’ Unbelievable. It was a life-stopping moment.

ROLLING STONE: The Daily Show did that for him?

SPRINGSTEEN: He got into The Daily Show – anything that reveals the country as itself, but also reveals the machinery of the dissemination of information and how it is distorted. That’s what I think I was seeing and feeling. There needs to be classes in those things that begin with children at a very young age. Otherwise, there’ll be the recurrence of a lot of what we’ve experienced over the past few years, where bold lies come off as truth.

Speaking of comedians, Chris Rock might be trying to be funny, but that doesn't mean we can't ask: Huh? On Rudy Giuliani: "He was great during 9/11, but what about 9/10 and 4/16? He’s like a pit bull. He’s great if you have a burglar, but it you don’t, he might eat your kids." And then, at interview's end: "With global warming, somebody’s baby is going to have to burst into flames to make people do the right thing. [in anchorman voice] Five babies burst into flames today. Turn off your car!"

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.


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Clinton's sex habits?

"We have this puritanical vision of what a leader is supposed to be , and that’s what makes us the biggest hypocrites in the world. We got so inside this guy’s sexual habits. Now we have a president going around, killing in the name of what? In the name of nothing."

'Nuff said. This typifies everything that can be said about unhinged liberals. When a person talks like this, you simply have to get up and walk away. It's not worth the argument; it's not even worth discussing.

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If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

What for the actions that follow

"When a person talks like this, you simply have to get up and walk away.
It's not worth the argument; it's not even worth discussing."

Yes, this thinking pattern is near pathological and there is not much room for a decent discussion of the issues in these cases. We should be on guard, however, for the actions that follow these kinds of thought patterns. That's where the real problems erupt.

Not only is it not worth

Not only is it not worth it, it's pointless. They are like two-year-olds who, no matter how you try to reason with them they keep saying "But..but...but..."

To illustrate: I read about a man whose daughter asked about Santa. She asked How does Santa get in the house if we don't have a chimney? Sensing a "teaching moment" he spent a long time telling her about Santa being a story, not real, the spirit of Christmas, the whole nine yards. At the end he said, OK? You see now?

And she said "Yes, but how does he get in the house if we don't have a chimney???????"

<<SPRINGSTEEN: He got into

<<SPRINGSTEEN: He got into The Daily Show – anything that reveals the country as itself, but also reveals the machinery of the dissemination of information and how it is distorted.>>

Your kidding us, Bruce, aren't you?  This is the MSM that you're describing here.

<<Otherwise, there’ll be the recurrence of a lot of what we’ve experienced over the past few years, where bold lies come off as truth. >>

Yeah, I know.  Whenever there's a republican in the White House we're being lied to.  Sucks, doesn't it.

What will it take, Bruce, for you to remove your "veil"? (really more like duct tape over your eyes...)  will it take a terrorist bomb set off in your son's high school cafeteria?

And, of course, that would be caused by Darth Bush and the US military for going after  the terrorists and pissing them off.

Aging rocker like Bruce obviously skipped history classes.

If Bruce Springsteen is

If Bruce Springsteen is grateful that his son is being taught by the Daily Show, and he thinks that should be presented to kids at an earlier age....I seriously question his qualifications to be a parent.

But...

The Daily Show is allegedly 'comedy'.

Isn't that rather like trying to learn calculus from a comic book?

Bono Acede to the Demand

 Great let's negotiate. We can all get along.

Will Bono accede to the demand that homosexuals and drug addicts be executed? Does he want his groupies in Burkas?

If ever there were a case

If ever there were a case of comparing apples and oranges, its comparing the IRA with Al Qaeda. I respect Bono as an artist, but this kind of naivete is dangerous.

As far as Armstrongs comment about Bush, "I’m going to let God decide for me. He’s going to give me the answer." Could someone quote a speech or comment made by Bush that even comes close to conveying this idea. It's foolish (dare I say idiotic) to base you belief about someone starting from a false premise.

It takes two parties to

It takes two parties to negotiate. We already know al Queda's position: we convert to Islam and live by Sharia law, and they won't terrorize and kill us.

How's that work for you, Bono?

I have an idea. Why don't

I have an idea.

Why don't we have Bono annex the state of California )or at least San Francisco and Los Angeles) and set up a new country exclusively for the deranged ignorant entertainment morons and left wing lunes to live - free of any military - free of any need for formal education - and with unversal government welfare for all residents.

1000 year war

Now they have to do the same, in my opinion, with Hamas, and they have
to do the same with Al Qaeda. You have to involve them in dialogue.

I expect to live about another 25 to 50 years and I know, KNOW, that the Islamofascists will still be murdering people long after I am gone. It's just a matter of how many. If we 'negotiate' with them, it will be a whole lot more than if we just continue to kill them when and where we find them.

They are planning a 100 to 1000 years offensive, our politicians keep planning a few months at a time. What do you think that forbodes?

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Credit for Bruce where

Credit for Bruce where due..at least he can seperate his politics and his support of the troops

From Badger6

http://badgersforwar...

How cool is this? For me Soldier and Springsteen fan - it is very cool.

But as the Boss himself would point out, you can hate the mission but still love the troops. [Frankly I am going to let this slide this time. - B6 ]Springsteen
found time between his two-night stand at the Verizon Center to visit
wounded U.S. troops at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in D.C. on
Monday.

Springsteen, his wife, Patti Scialfa, and an entourage of eight spent about 2 1/2 hours signing autographs, posing for photos and handing out copies of his CDs.

Can we all say USO Tour!!!

While the IRA used

While the IRA used "terrorist" tactics, their ideology and goals can hardly be comparable to that of AQ ... in any capacity.

Anybody who has even an ounce of realistic logic and reasoning capabilities can see that, and avoids making the comparison.

The lib-socialist-neocommunist-left is so obviously void of this function.

Stars are Boring

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I agree with most of you on this

What Bono is missing is that with the IRA it was over the rights to the UK, no?

So the USA could be un-biased 3rd party.

As for AQ, they want to kill everybody and convert them to Islam.  (funny that only Ann Coulter gets hammered for saying this about Christianity, while no one seems to mention this about Islam).

His new name...

Bono Chamberlain.

Chris Rock just shows that the typical Hollywood idiot can be made to believe anything. Most of those twits believe that the climate has been virtually stable until recently. Liberals in general do poorly in historical studies and can not understand historical lessons because they have a very hard time understanding anything that doesn't match with their own personal experience.

I've come to the conclusion that liberalism is a manifested symptom of a mild form of narcissism.



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Fred08.com

For Bono to attempt to draw

For Bono to attempt to draw a parallel between a group that would in many cases give advance warning of planted bombs to allow evacuation to twisted religious zealots who operate on shear no holds barred death of innocents being a useful tactic is to ignore any sort of scale or comparison.

At least the IRA had a stated position of negotiation for ends to be achieved.

For AQ no such option exists and anyone who concludes otherwise should check their premise.

It is like trying to equate peeping toms to pedophiles. Yes they are in the same general area but that is all that can be said about them that has any sort of common ground.

Clinton Consulted Bongo?!

Okay, let's see if we get this straight.  Billy Joel of Greed Day thinks nobody questions our leaders.  Bongo claims that Bill Clinton called him for foreign policy advice on the IRA. 

Let me question our leaders now:  Why should we trust a president or his presidential candidate spouse when they seek out rock stars to make foreign policy?!

<insert witty signature here>

Bono can reason with Osama

Bono must now do a little research to see how this is possible.  I suggest he check out the "Al Queda Reader"  to see what is really on the mind of jihadists.  Could it be jihad?   Charles Martel's success in reasoning with the jihadis might be instructive for the Irish Genius. 

Bono and Al Qaeda

Bono should steer clear of international politics. His views are simplistic and naive.

There are major differences between the IRA and Al Qaeda. The IRA is indigenous to Ireland. It had a tight command structure. Channels of communication between Irish and British politicians opened with Sinn Fein the political representatives of the IRA. They clearly represented the IRA point of view. British and Irish politicians knew this. The IRA campaign had political goals and  was not  generally driven by religious fanaticism

 By the 1990s IRA leaders realised that they could not  win a united Ireland by violence. Constitutional Northern Irish politicians such as John Hume  of the SDLP convinced people such as  Gerry Adams (Sinn Fein) to try and move along the constitutional road. Also they realised that the Catholic element of the population in Northern Ireland is growing rapidly. It is now approx 44% of the population. This demographic change moves the prospects of Irish unification forward.

In marked contrast Al Qaeda is a massive international conspiracy which aims to destroy the west-especially the US and Britain- in the name of Islam. It is driven by a frightening political and religious fanaticism. The IRA  and Loyalists used bombs and committed terrible atrocities but Al Qaeda uses suicide bombs an even more extreme form of terrorism.Also Al Qaeda is not a homogeneous unit. It is an umbrella for numerous Islamic terror groups.

Who exactly would Bono negotiate with?

 

"Who exactly would Bono

"Who exactly would Bono negotiate with?"

Why, Mr. Qaeda himself, of course. He would appeal to Al's tender side, probably volunteering to put together a concert, calling it "Al's Pals" or something like that.

Actually, I feel a little bad about poking fun at Bono, at least he recognized that when it came to dealing with Aids in Africa, Bush walked the walk while Clinton was all talk.

 

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).