Liberals Upset That NR's Rich Lowry Was Allowed on PBS

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The liberal-media establishment at the Poynter Institute delights in the supposedly scandalous appearances of conservatives in the media, as its Romenesko website featured liberal PBS complainers on Wednesday:

National Review editor Rich Lowry recently filled in for David Brooks on "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" during the Friday week-in-review segment. Some viewer reactions:

"Please rethink having such a callous, offensive 'reporter' on PBS again."

"He gives journalism an ugly face not to mention the total disregard this young man has for democracy."

"The remarks of Rich Lowry were shameful and deeply disturbing."

The link was to the website of PBS Ombudsman Michael Getler. Romenesko could have just as easily focused on where Getler began: liberals howling that the Ken Burns miniseries "The War" is offensive to their pacifist sensibilities – even though Burns clearly displayed pacifist sensibilities on his media tour. Getler highlighted how one viewer now put PBS on the "far right."

Eugene Bercel of Naples, Florida wrote:

Until now I was always unhappy with low-brow stations such as the History Channel and FOX, for which history primarily means WWII, and their apparent purpose is the aggrandizement of war and the US military machine. I always saw those channels as some propaganda arm of the far-right in this country. Naturally, I am not at all happy to see PBS on the same bandwagon.

Getler was surprised that the anti-Lowry e-mail seemed to suggest he should not be allowed on the hallowed PBS airwaves. (The angry liberal e-mailers would probably prefer the usual PBS fare, where filmmakers don’t imply support for anything Bush has ever done. Instead, they no doubt prefer declarations like this one on Castro: "Fidel touched this young machine adjuster and the man enjoyed a mild ecstasy. I know the feeling.")

Here’s what Lowry said on the NewsHour that offended the liberals:

I think waterboarding -- look, reasonable people can conclude it's torture, but I sort of apply a commonsense standard here. Journalists are volunteering to be waterboarded to see what it's like. You would not do that with any infamous, obvious torture techniques. Journalists wouldn't volunteer, "Please, pull out my fingernail. I'm really curious how that feels."

And they're only volunteering because it's two minutes of panic. It's a horrifying procedure, but then you walk away. And we use it in our own training for the Army and the Navy, the training of survival and resistance. If it's torture, that training itself is illegal and wrong and shouldn't be happening.

So, look, obviously it's right up there, right to the line. I think it's a technique that should be used in reserve, that we should have in reserve, in extremely limited circumstances, in cases where you have very high-level al-Qaida officials who might have knowledge of ongoing plots. So you don't have time to deal with them over a period of months and you want to break them quickly, and that's exactly what happened with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed....

I don't think waterboarding, just to go back to that issue, I don't think it's torture. And the thing is you've had people like Chuck Schumer on the record, in a 2004 hearing, endorsing torture in a ticking time bomb sort of scenario. Bill Clinton has endorsed torture in a ticking time bomb. So has John McCain.

And the fact is: Torture is always wrong. You never should do it in these circumstances. But the closest you're going to get to a ticking time bomb-type scenario, you know, real life isn't like the TV show "24," is when you have a high-level al-Qaida operative with knowledge of things that might be happening.

And it doesn't shock my conscience, and I don't think most people, the American public, it shocks their conscience to subject someone like KSM to two minutes of panic to get his information.

Here are some snippets of the angry anti-Lowry letters:

I cannot understand why the NewsHour is providing airtime to non-journalists during the Friday (Nov. 2) segment. Rich Lowry was allowed to grandstand about his personal views on waterboarding, ignoring Ray Suarez's moderation to a new topic. How about some commentary rather than barking heads trying to win shouting matches. – Chicago, IL

I can't believe that you have Rich Lowry on the show actually talking in support of water-boarding. Lowry is a poor substitute for David Brooks. I am outraged that someone would condone torture as an OK thing, and that's a slippery slope. We are surely in moral trouble if he represents any kind of substantial constituency, and if he doesn't then he ought not to be on your show. – MB Markham, Arlington, VA

On Nov. 2, Ray Suarez was sitting in on the NewsHour with Jim Lehrer. He was talking with Mark Shields and a young man named Rick, as David Brooks (no relation to me) was off. The young reporter with blithe arrogance condoned torture, insisted nothing was wrong with it "when needed" and said he'd be willing to volunteer for two minutes of waterboarding. Please rethink having such a callous, offensive "reporter" on PBS again. He gives journalism an ugly face not to mention the total disregard this young man has for democracy. Ray looked embarrassed. Mark Shields was obviously disgusted. Jim Lehrer's NewsHour is the most informed and dignified news we have in our country. Send this Rick over to Fox News and then he'll understand torture for himself. – Jacquelyn Brooks, Gloucester, MA

I STRONGLY object to Rich Lowry as the substitute commentator. He is either ignorant or a liar or both. In the discussion on waterboarding, he says that it is not torture. That is a lie, according to the Army manual, to the Geneva Conventions, to John McCain, to countless others. Are you pandering to the Bush Administration? If you don't have him as the substitute, will they cancel you? Give us an honest person. Where are your editorial standards? – Chapel Hill, NC

The idea that Lowry should not be allowed to speak on PBS was apparently the tone of many letters. Getler offered this response from NewsHour Executive Producer Linda Winslow: "A number of viewers wrote to complain about Rich Lowry's endorsement of waterboarding as an interrogation tactic on Friday. In most cases, the viewers wanted to know why he was allowed to express his opinion — which they vehemently disagreed with — on The NewsHour. Here's the answer to that question: Rich was filling in for our regular commentator, David Brooks, and participating in our regular Friday night analysis of the week's biggest developments. Like David, Rich leans toward Republican positions but, like Mark, he isn't expected to spout the "party line" on every event. He is encouraged to express his own opinions, which is what he did Friday. Although many prominent Republicans have denounced waterboarding, Rich is not the only person in Washington espousing the position he took. Some of them are members of the Bush administration. We think it is important that our viewers hear that argument, whether they agree with one side or the other.

For Getler, allowing Lowry to speak was a no-brainer: "This seems like an easy one. Lowry appeared on the weekly analysis and opinion portion of this program. Lowry gave his opinion. That's what this is supposed to be about. They opine, you decide."

—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center


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Let me get this straight..

Conservatives (like everybody else) are forced to pay for public broadcasting, but only liberals are to decide who is "allowed" to speak.

And then liberals claim that the popular consumption of conservative talk radio, which is privately funded, is "unfair", and should be regulated.

These people are insane.

Aging Hippies

Look at the demographic of the typical PBS (and NPR) viewer, older and aging liberals. Of course they would be offended, they expect us (US taxpayers) to fund their (PBS and NPR) media outlets. If they could do we'd also be paying for the MSM too (CBS, ABC, NBC, etc.).  They want their news tilted to the left, thank you very much, and none of that other, right-wing stuff either, buster.   

I listen to NPR in the

I listen to NPR in the morning, from 7:30 to 11 or so I can get a pulse on what the lib think is like.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

}}---> NPR

I thought they just push Yanni in the morning. 

 Plant crops - not questions

You listen to NPR for 3.5

You listen to NPR for 3.5 hours?  Every Day? 

I try to listen to NPR a bit

I try to listen to NPR a bit every day, too.
They have a show on at 3pm EST. One day last week or so they had a guy from the defense department (I think) legal team for Gitmo, and the host kept grilling this guy abut torture, and prisoner's rights, etc, and the guy held his own, and even took the host to school a few times. Basing questions off of a biased, liberal book was not a bright move for this host.

They just had a piece on Obama recruiting 17-year olds to campaign for him. Funny stuff.

Like Dan, I find it smart to know what the enemy is saying.

You're soooo right....

...and to top it off, they claim they are the open-minded ones!

 Exactly right, except

 Exactly right, except they are beyond insane.  Let's not insult the insane by comparing them with these elitist traitors.

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

Wait a minute!! Didn't

Wait a minute!! Didn't Meryl Streep just say that being a liberal means you're always willing to listen to other points of view?

Are liberals no longer listening to their heroes in Hollywood????

}}---> Streep's 2nd Law of Liberalism

2. Disregard Law #1 when convenient. 

 Plant crops - not questions

being a liberal means

being a liberal means you're always willing to listen to other points of view?

True statement - as long as the other points of view agree with yours... Welcome to the world of progressive liberalism.

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers

How ironic

The learned and sophisticated listeners of PBS can't stand hearing a point of view that is different from their own. And when they do, out of sheer horror, they demand that the holder of those ideas be banned from being on PBS anymore.

What support for the 1st amendment? What marketplace of ideas? They just want to have their ego's massaged.

 



The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back!  Fred08.com

Chapel Hill NC

People wonder why I think that Chapel Hill, NC is the rectum for the state. This guy's comments just reinforce that. 

I STRONGLY object to Rich Lowry as the substitute commentator. He is either ignorant or a liar or both. In the discussion on waterboarding, he says that it is not torture. That is a lie, according to the Army manual, to the Geneva Conventions, to John McCain, to countless others. Are you pandering to the Bush Administration? If you don't have him as the substitute, will they cancel you? Give us an honest person. Where are your editorial standards? – Chapel Hill, NC

He has been reading the lefty Raleigh N & O for too long. What Army manual? What Geneva Convention? Give me book, chapter, and verse. To me if I was forced to watch PBS or listen to NPR that would be torture. 

Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!

You Are Correct

CH is the rectum for the state. I say that as a Raleigh resident who has long avoided the torture of reading the News & Disturber - a sorry excuse for a paper if there ever was one.

Liberal Outrage

I was struck by the overwhelming triteness, repetitiveness and group think reflected in the comments on Rich Lowry.

Why the complete lack of creative thought?

 

Why the complete lack of


Why the complete lack of creative thought?

Because they are spouting "dogma"....repeating talking points from the liberal playbook.

This was their news time

Isn't it interesting how they made their complaints? An offensive point of view was allowed to speak on their program. It would be one thing if Lowry came on to yell and scream, and was personally aggressive, or expressed his opinion in an offensive way.  But they were clearly reacting the opinion itself; they didn't want to hear that on their show. They watch that show to hear what they want to hear. They don't want their apple-cart overturned.

Actually, a word should be said for PBS here. After all, PBS did invite Lowry on, even though it upset the applecarts.

PUBLIC BROADCASTING...

I'm upset because PBS get taxpayer money. Get rid of taxpayer funded broadcasting, the sooner, the better.

"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise"  Mark Levin

Grow up

I rationalize it this way: Public Broadcasting is like the children's playground for news and opinion. Only in that light do the contradictions, the name calling and the double standards for same (ie, Bush-Hitler vs. the bitch), the inclination to censor people (as in this case) and to censor speech in general (Fairness Doctrine), and the outrage (Keith Olberman) -- then it all make sense to me. To wit, I believe the term "grow up" is most applicable, a term which applies to many in the mainstream media today as well.

 

}}---> But Bacchus

If they grow up, there's always another kid to replace them.  MSM doesn't want grownups.  That is why Bill Moyers keeps a bag of Lead Paint Chips at his desk. 

 Plant crops - not questions

"He gives journalism an

"He gives journalism an ugly face not to mention the total disregard this young man has for democracy."

There are typos in that sentence. 

That "he" should be "she". And "young man" was supposed to be "old witch".

We are talking about Elanore Cliff? Aren't we?

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

You Have To Love Liberals

Only liberals would think that PBS stands for Public Liberal Stations; that public monies should only be spent supporting liberal views; and lastly, that there should never be a discussion of any interrogation tactic that remotely suggests torture.  What would really be delicious, is asking any one of these morons what tactics they would use on a terrorist combatant besides serving tea and cookies, along with a prayer rug.

I am outraged that someone

I am outraged that someone would condone torture as an OK thing, and that's a slippery slope. We are surely in moral trouble if he represents any kind of substantial constituency, and if he doesn't then he ought not to be on your show

Talk about a "slippery slope". Attampting to ban dissenting points of view to save someone's delicate sensibilities is another one. Lowry is not a policy maker, so what is the terrible threat in allowing him to reasonably discuss his views?

Please rethink having such a callous, offensive "reporter" on PBS again. He gives journalism an ugly face not to mention the total disregard this young man has for democracy.

Has this moron ever seen Matthews, Olberman, Schumer, Mika Brzezinski, and so on? Talk about offensive and giving journalism an ugly face. And these idiots are on the air every day.

Do these people hear themselves? Can't they hear their own hypocrisy?

Obviously not.

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers

 When Republicans take

 When Republicans take back both houses in '08 from these people , and they don't de-fund PBS and the NEA,  we should storm them with torches and pitchforks! They understand my meaning.

It worked against that governor in New York on illegal drivers licenses.  We need to put pressure on them...that they understand.  Really put their feet to the fire this time.  It works.

On second thought..I'm ticked off he was on PBS too!   What was he thinking?  We want PBS canceled..we do not want to patronize it. 

Hmmm...and these are the

Hmmm...and these are the same people wanting to reinstitute the Fairness Doctrine?!?!?

The blithering idiots who

The blithering idiots who wrote the letters to PBS much prefer PBS selecting non-Republicans like Clinton administration hack David Gergen or William Safire to represent the "Republican" point of view.  They also don't mind David Brooks because he supports homosexual "marriage" and will never dispute any of the complete idiocy uttered by Mark Shields.  Of course, Rich Lowry, who is routinely quoted and hailed by Howard Kurtz partularly when Lowry writes of how "impressive" Hillary Clinton is, is only marginally better than David Brooks.  I haven't watched the leftist Newshour in years, but I wouldn't be surprised if those fools have had Andrew Sullivan on to represent the "conservative" point of view. 

At the rate the liberals

At the rate the liberals keep moving the goal posts they will get to Mars well before NASA has a chance to do a touch and go.

Air America/P.B.S

  Here we go again with a different standard for taxpayer funded liberal raido. It must be in the fairness docteran that every taxpayer will fund P.B.S and promiss to listen in as well, personally I had rather watch paint dry. As an additional slap in the face P.B.S has disclosed that all 12 listeners are outraged. 

lol

Was that Air America or pbs with 12?

A combined listening

A combined listening audiance totaling 12... 

I can believe that...lol

I can believe that...lol

Over the last three

Over the last three months, I've actually had two Air America sightings. In september I walked into an glass artist shop in NC that had air america on. And while driving across Florida, I was station hunting, and found air america.

At least 2 people listen to it.

Let's see one shop with air america vrs how many with just Limbaugh?

"There is a clear attempt to establish truth not by scientific methods but by perpetual repetition."
- Richard S. Lindzen, Ph.D. Professor of Meteorology, MIT

What is torture?

I see that the liberals don't really know anything about torture.

They might be interested in the use of torture by islamists. They torture not to get information to save lives, but to punish.

The libs should check out things like

http://www.thesmokin...

These are the methods suggested by the Islamist followers of PEACE.

If you are worried about torture, look to the methods of the pros.

Fair and Balanced

Check out the link http://www.pbs.org/o...

 

The libs want the radio air waves to be "Fari and Balanced", but what about PBS?

This from the page cited above.

No Other Opinions Wanted

I believe The Lehrer Report should have a segment titled "The Earth,
is it round or flat?" or "Evolution, did it really happen?" What has
gotten into you people? Your desire to be fair and balanced has sullied
your credibility. Waterboarding is torture. It has been considered
torture for well over 100 years. There is no need to ask the question.
I would expect this type of reporting on Fox News not on PBS. You
should be ashamed.

Ina Mozer, La Mesa, CA

These people want it both ways, it seems.

 

This One Was Strange

"Eugene Bercel of Naples, Florida wrote:

Until now I was always unhappy with low-brow stations such as the History Channel and FOX, for which history primarily means WWII"

I get my three "local" PBS stations on DirecTV, namely New Hampshire Public TV and WGBH/WGBX in Boston, the latter station being the flagship station of the entire PBS chain. All three of them have regularly shown World War II shows for years and years. The fact that the stations continue to show them would indicate that there is an audience for them, even in the Boston area.

As for the Ivory Tower types being upset with Lowry, remind them that he went to the same college as their beloved Katie Couric. Bobby Kennedy and his son and Ted Kennedy also attended the U of Virginia.

If Rich wasn't such an

If Rich wasn't such an effective speaker I assure you there would be no complaints. The more effective a speaker is the more chance of opening a closed mind.

It wasn't offensive speech, it was effective speech.