In a Fox & Friends segment on Hillary Clinton and her founding of the left-wing group Media Matters, substitute co-host Greg Kelly brought the fair-and-balanced mantra to bear by questioning guest Byron York of National Review about the Media Research Center, suggesting (to gasps at MRC employee breakfast nooks) that these groups are "arguably...the same thing." Luckily, York quickly made one important distinction: MRC mostly monitors "objective" media, while MMFA mostly badgers [and ahem, calls for the firing/censorship of] conservative talk show hosts and other opinion journalists. Here's the exchange:
GREG KELLY: I want to ask you about the Media Research Center. They, arguably, are the same thing as Media Matters, except on the other side. I mean, they tend to go after liberal targets whereas Media Matters tend to go offer conservative targets. Aren’t both sides? – both sides have a media watchdog group.
BYRON YORK, National Review: When [David] Brock made his pitch for funding, he said, look, we need to do this on the left because they have done it on the right for a long time, and indeed the Media Research Center is a conservative group that has done this for a long time. I think one difference that most observers would note is that Media Research Center has been very concerned with the so-called straight news coverage. I mean, they are worried what the network anchors say. What are in the news columns of the papers. Media Matters has gone much, gone after a lot of opinion journalists. I mean, nobody is suggesting that Rush Limbaugh plays it straight down the middle and is you know, a balanced presentation. He is a conservative radio host. But Media Matters has been hitting him again and again and again because they believe that Limbaugh has an effect on swing voters and independent voters that helps elect Republicans. If you take Limbaugh out, perhaps you could change that balance.
I've argued before that MRC is often misunderstood in relation to MMFA or FAIR.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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I always liked Greg Kelly
October 8, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Chris NormanI always liked Greg Kelly and thought him pretty sharp. If he can't tell the difference between the two organizations, then I'll have to revise my opinion of him.
Greg Kelley is an idiot
October 8, 2007 - 10:26 ET by Sergeant ROCKHe demonstrates it by playing the moral equivalency game. Did George Bush start MRC?
In Kelley's mind, right is just as bad as wrong.
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Greg Kelly
October 8, 2007 - 11:32 ET by BufordIt seems that greg suffers from that malady that infects the people of Manhattan, "East Of The Hudson Sickness". We in flyover country are the unwashed masses, and don't understant the real news.
Greg is a favorite of mine but I take him with a grain of salt.
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Smear
October 8, 2007 - 11:40 ET by allanfKelly repeated the Saxbe Chambliss smear that Republicans compared Max Cleland to bin Laden on two ocassions while discussing the Move-on Patreaus ad.
Kelly and Geraldo Rivera are neck in neck for most liberal reporter on Fox News.
Surprising. Kelly is a
October 8, 2007 - 11:49 ET by Chris NormanSurprising. Kelly is a former fighter pilot. They're not usually known for liberalism. Maybe he has been affected by the liberal virus.
Greg Kelly
October 8, 2007 - 12:38 ET by River CityYou need to observe Greg Kelly more often. If you would you would learn his opinons are of the liberal bent. Last weekend he went head to head with Wayne Simmons about whether or soldiers are terrorists when they bust down the doors looking for insurgents. Greg Kelly took the side of John Kerry and said it is a terrorist act. Wayne Simmons took exception and said our soldiers aren't terrorists. Then it became a pissing contest about who knew more about terrorism and Kelly invoked his dad's name and experience. That's where Kelly lost his credibility. I find him more difficult to watch each week.
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Surprise! Surprise!
October 8, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Sergeant ROCKI missed that one. What an idiot! Who's idea was it to hire this clown anyway?
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Tee it up
October 8, 2007 - 10:21 ET by KC MulvilleAs we all know, reporters ask some questions precisely to allow the guest to answer the criticism, "teeing up" the issue so the guest can hit it squarely. Byron York can swat this questions out of the park, and I think he did.
MRC doesn't go after someone because they're liberal. MRC goes after distortions. MediaMatters goes after people because they oppose the Clintons, and uses distortion to do it.
Media Matters
October 8, 2007 - 10:29 ET by okiehawk44Clinton Legacy and Power is the point -- Harold Ickes and Leon Podesta (to name but two) are financially supported by Clintons and their supporters such as Soros and Lewis.
the libs need a "leftwing
October 8, 2007 - 10:59 ET by TruthMongerthe libs need a "leftwing MRC"
unfortunately there is no mainstream conservative media to attack:)
damn details anyway...
For the MRC it's like shooting fish in a Barrel. If the MSM would just announce their DNC affiliation everyday in some kind of disclaimer we would probably lose alot of steam here at NB...
A service of the new NB respect police
going after libs
October 8, 2007 - 11:02 ET by Tim GrahamKC, I think it's obvious we go after liberals -- but after liberals who would claim to be "nonpartisan" or "objective" media stars.
And you're right, Byron nailed the essential point.
Liberals
October 8, 2007 - 11:10 ET by KC MulvilleWell, you said my point better than I did. You don't go after them because they're liberal. You go after them because they're unfair and biased, but try to hide behind the "objectivity" of the mainstream media.
There are very important
October 8, 2007 - 10:22 ET by kathleenirishThere are very important differences between the two, but the most important one to me is that a member of the senate, Hillary Clinton (with all the backing of her goon squad) formed that group. An elected official. To abuse her power, to silence her critics, to stop any opposition to HER. There's a surprise.
Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar.
moral eqivalence - once again...
October 8, 2007 - 10:30 ET by wizardjrGeorge Bush and Adolf Hitler,
The U.S. Military and The Huns,
Christianity and [Radical] Islam,
etc, etc, etc.
and now...
MRC and Media Matters, are you surprised?
Fox and "Friends"
October 8, 2007 - 10:34 ET by Dave RThey keep this up, and they won't have any friends.
This is reason # 548 why I do not watch that stupid show. As far as I am concerned, it is right down there with Geraldo's abomination as the worst show on that now sadly slipping network.
If I feel the need to watch tabloid garbage, I'll turn on Entertainment Tonight.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Agreed
October 8, 2007 - 10:55 ET by Prester JohnI've noticed a steady deterioration in that show and now watch CNBC's morning economic/market segment. The fact that Betty Quick (yes, that is her name) is on CNBC helps of course.
Prester John, FNC is deteriorating as a whole.
October 8, 2007 - 11:20 ET by Dave RAbout the only show I can watch on FNC is Brit Hume's excellent news program. I can take te first five minutes of BOR and maybe about half the segments on H & C that Sean does (as he tends to get on my nerves somewhat as well), but that is about it.
When I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
Funny, I just responded to Jer, who is pushing the same point
October 8, 2007 - 10:34 ET by RJon another thread...but directed at NewsBusters. My response, in part:
"Equating MediaMatters to NewsBusters? Hilarious....the philosophical dissimilarity could not be more pronounced. NewsBusters, for example, would not have misrepresented the words of a commentator, and then refuse to change their position or defend themselves in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary...."
Bottom line is...ya gotta judge for yourself
October 8, 2007 - 10:35 ET by JayTeeMRC isn't even close to Media Matters...Unless Tim or Noel have been dating Hillary, and Hsu has been sending MRC Money.
It's discouraging to even have MRC and MM mentioned in the same sentence on Fox. We're surrounded by Ignorance....bottom line is, you have to judge for yourself, you can't trust the MSM to make decisions/judgements for you.
It musta been a slow news day on FNC.
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Dating Hillary? Bigger Eek
October 8, 2007 - 11:01 ET by Tim GrahamMrs. Graham wouldn't like me to date in my middle age.
Just wait for it, wait for it: the full Camp Hillary attack on Whitewash.
Tim....nice looking Book, But...
October 8, 2007 - 12:28 ET by JayTeeIf I can NOT Stand to look at Hillary on TV (HDS), will I be able to read about her ?
I'm already a Candidate for Anger management.......but the Discount on the book may push me over the edge..after all, It's a bargin....plus, I can burn the book (or at least the Picture) in my fireplace during the Winter.
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MM
October 8, 2007 - 10:56 ET by JDWIt's great to see the MM coverage. Yesterday the NYP did a 6 page in depth article which I recommend.
What's MM saying about the Berger aquisition?
JDW
Sen Clinton: Founder of Media Matters
Follow the money - this is only a tactic.
October 8, 2007 - 11:02 ET by nofateI'm wondering about the differences in funding for the two groups. I know that Media Matters gets funds from the public, as well as contributions from well heeled supporters such as Soros, et. al. Conservative Belle did a good job pointing that out. What is the real breakdown?
Aside from that, the real difference, as York and others pointed out, is tactics. MMA uses smears, innuendo, and coercion to achieve their goals, i.e. the removal of teaching materials from classrooms during the showing of "The Path to 911". They took two words, "phony soldiers", completely out of context, turned it around 180 degrees, embellished it with hundreds of thousands more words, and voila!, the tactic has worked: the MSM watching public and the liberal left tin hat brigades now believe the whole thing. I even saw Alan Colmes tell a consevative guest that Limbaugh was talking about the real troops because of the timeline of the comments, or something like that, and the fact that he used the plural. You could tell he was using liberal talking points, because if you went through the timeline of the "phony soldiers" phrase, it is obvious what was meant. Colmes would also have none of the argument that Limbaugh was parroting a phrase that had already been used by ABC (I think), in a piece they had done previously. Point is, the tactic worked. It, and MMA, for that matter, are just small parts of an overall strategy to marginalize the conservative wing of the Republican party and make them irrelevant, politically.
MRC has never, that I am aware of, resorted to twisting and distorting the words of the people they are reporting on. They put out the whole context so that the reading public can make an informed decision. Limbaugh makes no bones about being conservative. And that is just what they can't stand: that a conservative should be able to get away with holding up a mirror that shows how ridiculously biased the MSM and the left wing are. He too, puts out the context of what they are shilling, and just to push their buttons, comes up with all sorts of entertaining montages and parody's, to help illustrate the absurdity he is pointing out. He is one of their main targets because he is successful.
But his downfall, or that of the MRC is not what the point is. The marginalization of conservatism is the point. Making conservatives appear to be the homophobic, racist, gun loving, religious zealot hayseeds of the country is their goal. If they can get rid of MRC, Rush, Sean, Laura and the others, make the majority of consevatives appear to be what they tell their viewers they are, they will have accomplished their goal. Unfortunately, many journalists that are supposedly on the "right", do not understand what is going on and continue to espouse the "objective" or "fair and balanced" line. I hope that Greg Kelly was, as one commentor suggested, giving York something he could tee off on. If not, then he has been hanging around with the likes of Geraldo and O'Reilly too much. Time will tell.
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Greg Kelley - Token Liberal?
October 8, 2007 - 11:08 ET by Sergeant ROCKI hope that Greg Kelly was, as one commentor suggested, giving York something he could tee off on.
Not so. I've watched this guy for a while now and he always makes these absurd statements or challenges of those that may otherwise get a fair shake from FNC. He won't have any of that.
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S Rock... I could not
October 8, 2007 - 11:37 ET by bigtimerS Rock...
I could not agree more.
I have been watching Kelly since he has been on and I do not care for him. He reminds me of a female version of Mika on msnbc, just not quite as bad vocally yet...same IQ area though.
LOL....
As an aside it is sad to watch Fox keep going downhill as far as I am concerned...wished I was soooo rich to be able to start a real conservative network...
It takes Money...Lot's and lot's of $$$$$
Reminds me of a song
October 8, 2007 - 12:09 ET by nofateIt takes Money...Lot's and lot's of $$$$$
reminds me of a song that we hear on the 60's 70's hit station late in the night shift about trying to win over a woman. Can't remember the name of it or the artist, but goes something like:
(:-)
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nofate... I'm laughing
October 8, 2007 - 12:12 ET by bigtimernofate...
I'm laughing with enjoyment, that is how I meant it to be too, glad you noticed.
I should look up the song and put it here...I always loved it.
Seems like it was The Traveling Wilburies (I know spelling is wrong probably artists too) may look later and put it here.
The song is...
October 9, 2007 - 01:40 ET by nofatebt: George Harrison, "I Got My Mind Set On You", 1987.
"The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."
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Greg Kelly
October 8, 2007 - 11:59 ET by nofateDon't see him enough to have caught that. Will pay more attention the next time I see him.
BTW, I really appreciated the Indoctrinate-U link. It's going to my college student daughters. Thanks.
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Greg Kelley
October 8, 2007 - 12:07 ET by Sergeant ROCKAlso has the nasty habit of interjecting his opinion into other interviews. I've seen him do that with Kelly Wright on a couple of ocassions.
He's the kind of guy that after hearing a comment that the 'earth is round' will snap back with 'but many believe the world is flat.' It doesn't matter if there's any truth in what he's saying, it's a matter of just having an opposite opinion.
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I've always liked Greg
October 8, 2007 - 12:09 ET by drillanwrI've always liked Greg Kelly. I respect and thank him for his military service to this country.
Since he took a seat on the studio couch I do note a hint of, perhaps, overly moderateness about him ... maybe even a touch of a liberalness. However, he has a VERY long way to go to become Alan Colmes. (In looks too, I might add ...)
Having said that, I believe Kelly's question was actually a very good one to lay out for the viewing audience. It gave York the opportunity to present a clear difference between the two Internet organizations. I did not catch this interview this morning, so I don't know if York pointed out that MRC WILL observe when the liberally leaning networks DO get it right ... Something that obviously MM is in no way, shape, or form interested ...seeing as they live to "craft" stories out of whole cloth.
Kelly was right. Sort-A
October 8, 2007 - 12:34 ET by coffee260I think Kelly was just trying to give an example of a conservative equivalent to Media Matter's. I don't think he meant to associate MRC with the likes of MMFA. His remark was made in good faith but a bit misguided.
Greg Kelly
October 8, 2007 - 12:40 ET by Sergeant ROCKThat would only be true, if this were the only statement of this kind made by him. It's not, he was attempting to equate the two as being one in the same.
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Reality Check! Media Matters
October 8, 2007 - 12:37 ET by Ten7sI don't think Greg Kelley quite understands the depth of corruption or the breath of the overall project, of which Media Matters is a part. I invite everyone to read, "Media Matters: Hillary’s Lap Dogs", By John Perazzo, FrontPageMagazine.com, July, 2007. Here's an excerpt:
ten... I thank you for
October 8, 2007 - 12:45 ET by bigtimerten...
I thank you for that info.
I had a link on here awhile back that had some of this info in it too...but not to this great depth with the wonderous rabid lefty Alterman.
John Perazzo did an excellent job with this.
I do not know if you saw my post about Brock, Hillary and black-mail and his gay issue, but I knew or heard there was a connection years and years ago with another important gay person that Hillary had to do with...you just answered my questions in my mind with Neel Lattimore connection.
...anyway, just thanks for all of this.
Quite the keeper.
Glad to provide whatever
October 8, 2007 - 13:04 ET by Ten7sGlad to provide whatever I've seen to the mix. I agree,
John Perazzo wrote an excellent article here. I've really not seen much else on the Hillary-Lattimore-Brock triangle, but at this point, absolutely nothing would surprise me.
More on the communist tactics of Hillary
October 8, 2007 - 13:39 ET by nofateExcellent, ten7's. Frontpagemag has a lot of really great material on the interconnections of the left, especially the strategy and tactics of the current Stalinist supreme leader wannabe, Hillary. Go here, "Radical Road Maps: Uncovering the Web of Connections Among the Far Left Groups in America" and read chapter 3, "It Has All Happened Before", for some eye opening background about how communists infiltrate groups worldwide, and more specifically here in the U.S.
The communists have not disappeared, and the "Manchurian Candidate" was not just a quirky red scare novel/movie.
Hillary's determination to put an end to an effective conservative voice in this country is a strategy that is ongoing and insidious. Note in the above cited article, the communist connections of Halperin. I believe it goes further than that, but have no proof.
Like other despots in history, these wannabes are signalling their intentions long before they are able to consolidate power to themselves. MM is correct that they have a long term strategy of effectively eliminating conservatism in this country, using the MSM as their willing tool and the bureacracy as their army.
God save us. We are not doing a very good job of saving ourselves, so far. Too many are oblivious, thanks in large part to the MSM.
Conservative Bloggers: doing the job the MSM used to do.
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MRC = Media Matters??
October 8, 2007 - 12:44 ET by Dr. RonSo, MSM is at the point of saying that pigs can fly and we need to get our bacon from the trees? Seriously, this is but another step in muffling conservatives; get them off talk radio; never have them on shows where a balanced panel dicusses any topic (balanced to MSM mean far left and not-so-far left panelists)...in fact, never have them on any MSM news/analysis shows and now declare a moral and reality-based equivalence betweem Media Matters annd MRC! Guess the next step is to say Daily Kos is just like Newsbusters....Why not, the Koolaid is there for the left to drink!!
MM vs. MRC
October 8, 2007 - 12:49 ET by River CityI was actually watching Fox and Friends when this interview was on. When Kelly asked that question I was waiting for Byron to say something about the hordes of monitors at MM. Where are our monitors? I missed the sign up. What shows am I assigned to? Who are the army of monitors? Is there a list?
Some of you are giving Greg Kelly too much latitude. Apparently I watch him more than most of you do. He is a lib. While it may be true he doesn't give his opinion as often as Alan Colmes, he isn't on a opinion show. He should go back to his DC beat. Maybe Brit didn't like working with him.
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Gregg's Dad
October 8, 2007 - 17:02 ET by keckkwHis dad is NYPD Comissioner Ray Kelly, who's previous bosses were Davis Dinkins, then Bill Clinton. It shouldn't be a surprise to see where Gregg Kelly leans, but he's mostly fair.
Just 1 example, but perhaps Byron York has missed
October 8, 2007 - 14:09 ET by ding7777NewsBusters going after opinion hosts such as Rosie O'Donnell.
Do tell, ding...
October 8, 2007 - 14:20 ET by RJYou think Rosie is to be taken seriously?
Well, well. This explains everything about your posts. :^>
RJ,
October 8, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Chris NormanI think Mr. -A-Ling's last name explains his comments better. :)
Maybe Mr. Kelly has his
October 8, 2007 - 14:50 ET by Chris NormanMaybe Mr. Kelly has his application in at MSNBC?
The song is...
October 9, 2007 - 01:36 ET by nofatebt: George Harrison, "I Got My Mind Set On You", 1987. Sorry, sent this to the wrong place.
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