On Friday morning’s Today, NBC put the thumb-screws on the Republican PBS debate no-shows in a segment with NBC’s Tim Russert and an outraged PBS host Tavis Smiley, who in his outrage over being snubbed, equated himself with history, that skipping his debate was a "watershed moment" in American history. Russert piled on with the same liberal media spin, quoting all the Republicans who said the no-shows were making a huge mistake, that attending was "good politics" – and no Republican holding a contrary opinion.
Lauer made no attempt to ask Smiley if he could have rescheduled the event to accomodate the demands of fundraising, and made no attempt to ask Smiley if the Republicans would be wrong to assume the debate would be a hostile forum, considering that Smiley has been an aggressive Bush-basher, including his description of candidate George Bush as a "serial killer." (Lauer did suggest that perhaps the black vote isn’t exactly up for grabs.) The whole fuss over the debate didn’t allow a debate. It was only one side, the exacerbate-the-Republican-image-problem side.
LAUER: Tavis, let me start with you. You look at the press coverage of last night's debate, and to be honest the majority of the coverage has nothing to do with the content of the debate; things like housing, education, drug sentencing. What it really is talking about are these no-shows. How do you feel about that?
Mr. SMILEY: I think in the coming days, Matt, we'll get to that kind of conversation as this campaign rolls on. But I'm not at all disturbed by the fact the conversation right now is focusing on who was not there last night. Let me be clear. In the most multicultural, multiracial, multiethnic America ever, no one--black, white, brown, male, female, Republican or Democrat--ought to be elected president, Matt, if they think that along the way they can ignore voters of color. These persons--Mr. Romney, Mr. Giuliani, Mr. McCain, Mr. Thompson--who chose not to show up last night missed a major opportunity to share their vision of how to make America a nation as good as its promise...
LAUER: Tavis? Tavis?
Mr. SMILEY: Yes.
LAUER: You've never--you've never had a problem being blunt, so let me ask you a blunt question.
Mr. SMILEY: Sure.
LAUER: Was this a scheduling conflict? Did these four candidates have a scheduling issue, or was this a political calculation, them thinking ‘What do I have to gain? I'm probably not going to get a lot of those votes anyway.’
Mr. SMILEY: I think it was the latter, Matt. You can't tell no--can't say no to every black request you receive. You can't say no to every Hispanic request you receive and then say it's a scheduling issue. It's not a scheduling issue, it's a pattern.
LAUER: Tim, scheduling issue or political calculation?
RUSSERT: Matt, when you're in a presidential campaign, you can make time for debates. Candidates do all the time. What has been remarkable about this are the things Republicans are saying. Michael Steele, a former lieutenant governor of Maryland ran for the Senate said, `Please, you have to show up for these things.' Ken Mehlman, former national chairman of the Republican Party. Jack Kemp ran for vice president in '96, said `Are we going be a party that's meeting at country clubs?' This is a very serious issue. And Matt, if you listen to the candidates who showed up last night, there are Republican answers to these problems that contrast with the Democrats and it's healthy for a democracy to hear both sides.
LAUER: Let me bring up a competitive point, and both of you can weigh in on this. Are you at all surprised that any of these four leading candidates, these front-runners on the Republican side, didn't look and say, `Wait a minute, you mean these other three guys aren't showing up? There's a great opportunity for me to be the only front-runner to appear on that stage.' Tim:
RUSSERT: Wide open for one of them to show up last night unannounced, saying, `You know what? I thought about this, I have to be here.' Matt, not only because it's the right thing to do, but think of the politics. Kevin Corke mentioned Ohio. You look at New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada. Hispanics are going to determine the outcome in those states. It's critical. Florida? African-Americans, Hispanics can put any candidate over the top. It's just good politics and it's good policy.
LAUER: Tavis...
Mr. SMILEY: Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt. Beyond that, right quick, it speaks to the kind of political pandering, this rush to the bottom that we're getting from so many of these candidates. And beyond that, it says again to voters of color that you don't matter. `We can avoid you in the primary.' But I think that black and brown voters are going to say to these candidates, Matt, `If you didn't come see us in October, don't look for us in November.'
LAUER: So in other words, October of 2008, when one of these four people presumably will be the Republican nominee and they start showing up at some of these minority-sponsored events, the reception will be chilly?
Mr. SMILEY: I don't think that this is hyperbole at all to suggest that last night is a watershed moment in how the Republican Party and its nominee moves forward. That old so-called Southern strategy, that dog just won't hunt any more in America.
Tavis Smiley is clearly one of the most egotistical people on television, and that is quite a contest. He has clearly stated in every forum that spurning Tavis is spurning blacks, and from there, it becomes spurning Tavis is lining yourself up with a racially-divisive black-bashing campaign strategy. Can he prove that any of these candidates have run a racially divisive campaign in their speeches or commercials?
It's quite amazing that PBS, our taxpayer-funded broadcast outlet, would lend its supposed nonpartisanship to such a partisan attack on the Republicans who have a chance of winning. There's no doubt that Barack and Hillary and Democrats in general are loving this whole PBS attack on the Republican party's image.
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center















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Damn stupid libs
October 1, 2007 - 10:12 ET by JDWThis has nothing whatsoever to do with bias. Our candidates are racing for contribution money now, THEY DON'T HAVE TIME for all of these meaningless debates. Once a candidate is selected to represent the GOP, they can debate.
JDW
CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?
Tavis Smiley's complaint
October 1, 2007 - 10:30 ET by tadchemI can't help but wonder how much advance notice Smiley and his staff gave the candidates to schedule an appearance in this busy fund-raising season.
I also can't help but wonder whether the race card was played up front in the invitations (i.e. a reference to a discussion of 'black issues' or some such) that might have tipped the candidates' staffs to the idea this may have been planned to be a mine field of trick questions.
tadchem
Richmond, VA
Debate Fatigue
October 1, 2007 - 11:44 ET by SouthernRootsI am getting "debate fatigue" and there is still more than a year to go.
How does the number of debates this cycle match with previous elections? If this cycle is heavier, I don't blame candidates for missing some.
I wonder if Tim and Tavis are agreed that the leading Dems made a mistake not going to the CBC debate hosted by Fox.
I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted. I won't be laid a-hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them. - J.B. Books (John Wayne)
FOX
October 1, 2007 - 13:20 ET by JDWFOX demonstrates the lib inability to reveal their true intentions.
JDW
CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?
Screwed up with who
October 1, 2007 - 10:29 ET by Chris NormanScrewed up with who exactly? People who would never vote for them anyway?
interesting how russert
October 1, 2007 - 10:33 ET by texmasterinteresting how russert failed to mention Smiley's bigoted statement about Bush claiming he was a serial killer?
Why should anyone grace that piece of dirt with their presence?
7-8%
October 1, 2007 - 12:47 ET by NortoBeliever
That is as high a gop vote as you can expect, to wit, I agree, why go and give the racist Smiley a platform.
Maximum black vote already in the bag
October 1, 2007 - 10:54 ET by Captain RepusThe Republican candidate, whoever he might be, already has his three black votes (Condoleza'a sister, Clarence's cousin and Colon's cohort) in the bag so attending this contrived smear-fest would be less than productive for him.
Well, that's that then. If
October 1, 2007 - 11:05 ET by motherbeltWhat a shocker!
Well, that's that then. If Tavis Smiley and Tim Russert both say they were wrong, that does it for me!
Repubs address minorities directly
October 1, 2007 - 11:30 ET by TruthMongerI know that I vote strictly according to who attended minority debates...
Do we need a minority debate to serve all of our fine minorities out there? Is that the only way? According to PBS it is. If you want on to the plantation you must deal with the OVER-SEERS...
That's what I don't get,
October 1, 2007 - 11:38 ET by Chris NormanThat's what I don't get, TM. Just who are they supposed to be hurting themselves with? A voting bloc who won't vote for them anyway? The minorities who vote Republican don't listen to these race charlatans anymore than whites. The MSM will attack them anyway, no matter what they do. It's sort of fun, in a sick kind of way, to watch the angle from the MSM chooses to attack, week to week...
most minorities don't watch
October 1, 2007 - 11:43 ET by TruthMongermost minorities don't watch these debates, either - thanks to Democrat policies they're working 3 or 4 jobs and don't have time
And those policies would
October 1, 2007 - 11:53 ET byAnd those policies would be...
anti-capitalist
October 1, 2007 - 12:02 ET by TruthMongeranti-capitalist
Nice of you to be so
October 1, 2007 - 12:05 ET byNice of you to be so specific.
your welcome! straight
October 1, 2007 - 12:26 ET by TruthMongeryour welcome!
straight and 2 the point...
Anti-American. Press 1
October 1, 2007 - 12:06 ET by bassndudeAnti-American.
Press 1 for English.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I do know that the
October 1, 2007 - 12:17 ET byI do know that the republican policy is that we'll build a 12 foot fence to keep you out of our country, that is unless you want to come over to take an American's job, then it's "COME ON IN!". We'll hire you for less money than our countrymen and in doing so drive wages down for other hard working Americans, but we don't care--all of our big business buddies are making millions by paying lower wages to illegals. To make sure nobody bitches too much, we'll call it a "guest worker" program--yeah, that's the ticket! And besides, Americans don't want those jobs anyway!
nod and wave:)
October 1, 2007 - 12:28 ET by TruthMongeryes that's the Republican policy all right!
The next thing you're going
October 1, 2007 - 12:37 ET byThe next thing you're going to tell me is that George Bush is a democrat.
Direct from the White House:
http://www.whitehous...
blaster, the Dems oppose
October 1, 2007 - 12:51 ET by TruthMongerblaster, the Dems oppose capitalism - they are proud of that - or do you dispute?
people who have time to watch worthless debates support capitalism - people who don't slave away on the Democrat plantation...
So Blister is on duty. What
October 1, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Chris NormanSo Blister is on duty. What time does the troll shift change occur today?
(checking my Karl Rove
October 1, 2007 - 13:03 ET by TruthMonger(checking my Karl Rove fax....)
How about Clinton's welfare
October 1, 2007 - 13:23 ET byHow about Clinton's welfare to work program that was a success?As a matter of fact, it was so successful that Bush got rid of it. It took 14,000 welfare recipients off welfare and put them into into the work force.
Blaster
October 1, 2007 - 18:16 ET by Free StinkerHow many total welfare recipients were there at the time?
30,000? 300,000? 3,000,000?
14,000 may or may not be a very large percentage depending on the number of people actually on welfare.
Cut entitlements
October 1, 2007 - 12:50 ET by NortoBeliever
Curtail all the handouts and Americans would take those jobs or starve to death. Enough of the free rides!
You dems are in favor of
October 1, 2007 - 13:29 ET by bassndudeYou dems are in favor of open borders. I know you want the criminal alians in here to vote for you. And drive down the wages and sweep your floors and tend you flowers and mow your lawn....
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Tell me who it is that has
October 1, 2007 - 13:31 ET byTell me who it is that has proposed the guest worker program. Can you tell me?
What year, blaster?
October 1, 2007 - 13:37 ET by RJTeddie Kennedy's failed amnesty program from the 1960s or the 2007 McCain-Kennedy guest worker program?
not sure what you are
October 1, 2007 - 13:38 ET by TruthMongernot sure what you are suggesting blaster - are you saying Bush wants open borders? It doesn't sound that way to me...
the borders will always be open - through a door that says "LEGAL ENTRANCE"
I'm saying: tell me who has
October 1, 2007 - 13:44 ET byI'm saying: tell me who has proposed the guest-worker program?
What year, blaster?
October 1, 2007 - 13:47 ET by RJTeddie Kennedy's failed amnesty/guest worker program from the 1960s, or the 2007 Kennedy-McCain Guest Worker Program? ;^>
i think it was Bush?
October 1, 2007 - 13:51 ET by TruthMongeri think it was Bush?
Bingo! Good job TM! You
October 1, 2007 - 13:55 ET byBingo! Good job TM! You must have read my White House link.
i did - still don't get the
October 1, 2007 - 14:06 ET by TruthMongeri did - still don't get the point:)
Nope. Bush helped advertise it, but it was Kennedy's plan.
October 1, 2007 - 13:56 ET by RJKennedy has been pushing for this for quite awhile, as a followup to his failed amnesty/guest worker program from the 1960s.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/03/23/the_guest_worker_gamble.php
Has it ever occurred to you
October 1, 2007 - 14:06 ET byHas it ever occurred to you that maybe there were two bills?
Perhaps you could elucidate on their differences.
You need to do a little research yourself, blaster
October 1, 2007 - 14:16 ET by RJLike I said, Kennedy OWNS this baby. He wrote and pushed for the amnesty/guest workers in the 1960s that got us into the current mess, and he's continued to shepherd Guest Worker programs for many years....just as he did this one.
The immigration bill passed
October 1, 2007 - 14:21 ET byThe immigration bill passed on a bipartisan basis by the U.S. Senate—the McCain-Kennedy bill, or S. 2611—tries to balance these competing concerns by requiring employers who want to recruit temporary guest workers in the construction and service industries to first offer the jobs, at the prevailing industry wage, to U.S. workers. If no qualified U.S. workers apply for the jobs, employers can hire guest workers but must pay them the prevailing wage.
In a report issued in July 2006, the Senate Republican Policy Committee (RPC) attacked the prevailing wage provision in the McCain-Kennedy bill, as "unfair to U.S. workers" because it would "guarantee wages to some foreign workers that could be higher than those paid to American workers at the same worksite" (RPC 2006). This claim is false, since the law requires employers to first offer each job, at the prevailing wage, to any qualified U.S. worker who applies.
and again i ask who the
October 1, 2007 - 14:30 ET by TruthMongerand again i ask who the hell cares?
Bush does not support amnesty any way you slice it...
Interesting, blaster, but off subject and pointless
October 1, 2007 - 14:31 ET by RJWe're talking about who is the driving force behind the Guest Worker program. Here's an interesting (and on topic) link for you: (my bold)
"Dear Senator Kennedy –
As the founding chairman of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) I have been at odds with you on your proposed guest worker program. However, I am willing to be persuaded. I hope you will consent to answer this Baker’s dozen of questions, to clarify your proposal and perhaps earn the support of myself and other fair-minded persons. — Cordially, John H. Tanton M.D"
See, blaster, this guy knows who is in charge, and who to write to. Kennedy has OWNED the topic for many, many years, and he's not about to give it up.
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?p=3339
since the law requires
October 1, 2007 - 15:42 ET bysince the law requires employers to first offer each job, at the prevailing wage, to any qualified U.S. worker who applies.
Here's the difference. Bush will not offer jobs to Americans. He will pay an illegal less money for the same work. This is why he suspended the Bacon-Davis Act. Luckily, some pro-labor Republicans were able to circumvent his actions. Kennedy-McCain says offer the job to an American first.
Kennedy and McCain's statement on their bill:
Our plan offers a realistic alternative -- not an amnesty. There is no free pass, no automatic pardon, no trip to the front of the line. But we do provide a sensible plan to encourage people to come forward to receive work permits and earn legal status. They will have to pay a substantial fine and go through rigorous security and criminal background checks. Those who want permanent status must pay all their back taxes, learn English, maintain a strong work record, stay out of trouble, and wait their turn.
What's that, blaster, a "course correction?"
October 1, 2007 - 16:20 ET by RJGive up on denying Kennedy's long-time ownership of Guest Worker bills?
But, the improper use of the guest worker and H1 B Visa programs is not new, nor does it solely belong to President Bush. They've been used for a long, long time on both sides of the aisle as a political spoils program.
As for Davis-Bacon, it's a racist law, originally written as a race barrier to the (then) all-white unions.
I will post more about this, but the thread is too narrow. Please scroll down to the bottom.
Hey RJ,Do a little
October 1, 2007 - 13:54 ET byHey RJ,
Do a little research on that McCain Kennedy bill and get back to me. I really hate wasting my time posting links that refute your arguements when your too lazy to do your own homework.
Sorry, blaster, but this has been Kennedy's baby for a long time
October 1, 2007 - 14:00 ET by RJHe's owned it since the 1960s, in fact. Bush just helped advertise it. Here's one link from a year ago (it was the first one to come up) but I could have chosen many other years. If you search on Ted Kennedy guest worker program, you'll get plenty of responses.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/03/23/the_guest_worker_gamble.php
Edit: Here's a link to Kennedy's bill dated March 16, 2007. "news has spread that Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., may reintroduce the bill that came out of the Senate Judiciary Committee last spring in order to get the process of immigration reform moving."
Clearly, blaster, Kennedy is the driver.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/03/16/guestworker_caste_system.php
I agree, Chris. They
October 1, 2007 - 11:53 ET by motherbeltI agree, Chris. They always pretend that they "just might" vote for a Republican if they come to the debate. What a joke!
Someone in another thread likened them to Lucy holding the football for Charlie Brown.
I prefer the "abused wife" syndrome. She always thinks "If I keep the house cleaner, the kids quieter and make better meals, then maybe he won't hit me tonight." But he always finds something to hit her over, because that's who he is.
Same thing with Republicans who "think" they can get blacks to vote for them if they dance when they strike up the band. But they always find something to hammer them over, because that's who they are.
MB, Excellent analogy.
October 1, 2007 - 12:49 ET by Chris NormanMB,
Excellent analogy.
How about a Dem. debate moderated by Rush?
October 1, 2007 - 11:17 ET by Gary HallExactly Tim. If you're the host (Russert), there has to be two questions thrown out to the panel to clear the air, first."
1. What's the connection here, to the Democrats recently officially refusing to attend a debate forum at Fox News. Remembering that when Fox hosted the Democrats in 2004, it was widely viewed as an extremely solid and informative debate (by critics and the candidates themselves)?
2. Should not the Republicans have the right to protest such a controversial Republican basher such as yourself, Tavis Smiley; we all know that there is no way on this earth that the Democrats would appear in a debate moderated by an angry partisan Democrat hater?
Awwww - poor snubbed PBS smucks...
October 1, 2007 - 11:21 ET by RonCI doubt one single Republican voter is crying in their beer (or their coffee) this morning... matter of fact, I'll bet many are quite happy that they didn't bother to watch another media-preaning GOP bash-fest.
When these liberal media
October 1, 2007 - 13:21 ET by ammo johnWhen these liberal media clowns are shown on TV with their name below them, I think it should be followed with a "(D)": ex. Matt Lauer -(D), like when politicans are shown what party they are affiliated with. People would then get a sense of who is actually part of the MSM machine. But, I guess we'd be PROFILING.
that's a fantastic idea - so
October 1, 2007 - 13:27 ET by TruthMongerthat's a fantastic idea - so naturally they will ignore it
They'd run out of (D)s. :)
October 1, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Chris NormanThey'd run out of (D)s. :)
-(D)...wont work.
October 1, 2007 - 14:32 ET by bassndudeThey would all switch their party to "Independent". They have been dishonest so long, they would not even blink at changing their party affiliation without changing their views.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Garbage
October 1, 2007 - 15:03 ET by KeithMr Graham, you wrote, "Lauer made no attempt to ask Smiley if he could have rescheduled the event to accomodate the demands of fundraising,"
Why on earth would you re-schedule an event because of the "demands" of fundraising? That seems to put the onus on the massive effort of coordinating FOUR schedules instead of having each individual "re-schedule" his ONE fundraiser which conflicts with that evening. However, I suspect that even you don't believe what you just wrote. You go on amazingly to say....
"and made no attempt to ask Smiley if the Republicans would be wrong to assume the debate would be a hostile forum, considering that Smiley has been an aggressive Bush-basher, including his description of candidate George Bush as a "serial killer.""
Well, CLEARLY the assumption that blacks are a bunch of animals who can't treat their invited guests properly is a RACIST one sir. Similar to O'Reilly's "amazement" that blacks don't swing from the chandeliers while hurling chicken wings at one another. Your question is further made ridiculous by the fact that NO ONE AT THE EVENT WAS TREATED BADLY!!!! Mike Huckabee, charming, wonderful, marvelous man that he is, you really don't deserve the likes of him, was outraged that the rest of them weren't there, funny how you missed that. If no one was IN FACT treated badly, how do posit the thought that the Republican no shows might have "had a point"?
The sad truth is that they made a cynical political calculationd that they don't "need" the African American vote at this time. Period. You know it and I know it. Not only that they are COWARDS AND LIARS. Mitt Romney is a cultist who is interested in your blazing IGNORANCE over just how evil and satanic Mormonism is! IF you ever realized for instance that Mormons do NOT worship Jesus as God it might change your mind about them. That's why he skipped the "Values Voters" debate! Guiliani is perhaps in an odd way, the one most deserving of a "modicum" of respect. He's a piece of crap liberal and has never made claims to the contrary! John McCain is only Christian if there are no real Christians around, preferring to mock their beliefs with his upper west side buddies and Fred T. doesn't even know where a church IS! These people didn't want to answer the "hard" questions about race. Period. And given the current climate created by people like Media Matters et al, it's not that hard to understand. However, a Politician TOO STUPID to realize how skipping a minority debate would look to the public is probably TOO STUPID to be the President.
Conversely, Keith
October 1, 2007 - 15:14 ET by RJA politican too STUPID to recognize when he's being lured into a trap is too STUPID to be President....
The rest of your bigoted garbage is not worth a response, Keith.
RJ nails it
October 1, 2007 - 15:17 ET by TruthMongerRJ nails it
Keith, the problem is that
October 1, 2007 - 16:14 ET by bassndudeKeith, the problem is that Smiley is not a black man. Nor was the statement that Orilly made even relevent to the event. That is just your shaded view of why they dident show up. You spending to much time in your make belive world and see things through a prism of your own making and influenced by some less intelligent beings you hang out with. You need to get out more. Your rant displays your bigoted views and your racism.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
HUH?
October 1, 2007 - 16:54 ET by KeithSmiley is not a black man? Are you blind. That is perhaps the stupidest thing anyone has ever said since like, the creation of words or something! HUH?
"That is just your shaded view of why they dident show up."
Leaving aside your mangling of the English language, oh guardian of the border, (DIDN'T), these men are cowards who duck "minority" events because they are afraid of the questions. If you miss one event it's a "scheduling problem" if you miss EVERY minority event, "It's a pattern", to accurately quote Smiley. In this he is right. If you don't think they're ducking, here's a likely question that Mitt Romney would have to answer were I questioning him. "Mr Romney, at a time in your life, since becoming a mature adult, you belonged to an organization which asserted that Blacks could not GO TO FRIGGIN' HEAVEN! Would you care to expound?" Yeah, he wasn't scared at all! You're right, my bad. ROFLMAO! You call telling the truth about someone "racism", you sound like a libtard to me! Did or DID NOT the Mormon "church" say that Blacks couldn't go to heaven? And then there's this gem....from the good ol' book of Mormon, y'know the one that is CONDEMNED by your BIBLE?
The section goes on to forbid miscegnation (2 Nephi 5:23), and then to say that the Lamanites were idle and "full of mischief and subtlety" (2 Nephi 5:24).
So, in summation, Mitt Romney BELIEVED at the age of MAJORITY that, God CURSED people to BECOME BLACK and that they were "LAZY" and "FULL OF MISCHIEF", but I'M the racist!
Sounds like Mitt's Church is the racist instead of ME pally! Oddly enough although it was laminites racially condemned here, it was the Blacks who they kept OUT OF HEAVEN. My Lord. There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see!
(http://en.wikipedia....
Why didn't they show up to the "Values Voters debate then pal,, if they weren't SCARED of the questions they would receive? Could you imagine Rudy faced with the woman who survived an attempted ABORTION that he would have ALLOWED TO BE KILLED? Are you insane or just smoking? FEAR is what kept them away, that and callous disdain. How about Rudy being confronted with the reign of terror that he unleashed over the African American community in New York? Special "racial profiling" task forces and the like? Stuff that played o.k. Back In The Day, but would be ripe for the "political plunder" today. Puh-lease! Methinks thou doth protest to much, oh ye of limited facility with the language!
Smiley, Russert, and Lauer
October 1, 2007 - 15:08 ET by bigtimerSmiley, Russert, and Lauer deciding what the conservatives should or should not do to get elected....
Too danged funny.
What's the version of
October 1, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Chris NormanWhat's the version of "crocodile tears" to cover what these guys are doing? "Come into my parlor" said the spider to the fly? :)
Exactly Chris. I was very
October 1, 2007 - 15:59 ET by bigtimerExactly Chris.
I was very disappointed when I heard the apologies from Huckabee and Brownback at the Smiley PBS debate....
That's just me.
I watched these debates and
October 1, 2007 - 16:04 ET by Clear thinkerI watched these debates and there was nothing to them. I don't care one way or the other if the top tier candidates skipped it.
BTW... Fred raised over $8 mil in his first quarter!
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Ct.... I saw that
October 1, 2007 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerCt....
I saw that yesterday I think it was about Thompson and the $$$ he raised!
I was tickled...
Thompson/Hunter '08!
bt... Go
October 1, 2007 - 16:10 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
Go Fred....GO!
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I'm with Fred !
October 1, 2007 - 16:12 ET by Free StinkerDid I hear somebody mention our next President? ;-)
No, me too, BT!
October 1, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Chris Norman"That's just me."
No, me too, BT! I would have liked to have thought that Huckabee and Brownback wouldn't pander like that - but they're still politicians, with all that goes with that...
Chris... but they're
October 1, 2007 - 16:22 ET by bigtimerChris...
but they're still politicians, with all that goes with that...
Bingo!
That is exactly what I thought too...not hard to do if you are political, still disappointed me with Huckabee though...Brownback did not surprise me...Huckabee did.
Oh well.
BT, Wouldn't it be
October 1, 2007 - 16:29 ET by Chris NormanBT,
Wouldn't it be refreshing, for once, if a true and unapologetic Conservative ran for office? Someone who gave back as tough as he got? One who didn't mince words and make caveats and excuses? One who refused to play by conventional media wisdom? It would be interesting to see if he or she would go down in flames or prove our point that conservatives might get elected by calling out the media for their hypocricy and bias. I just wish someone would try it.
Chris... I think Fred is
October 1, 2007 - 16:33 ET by Clear thinkerChris...
I think Fred is that kind of guy!
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I hope his laid back, folksy
October 1, 2007 - 16:38 ET by Chris NormanI hope his laid back, folksy demeanor will allow that - in one way or the other. I hope he won't attempt to "just disarm" his critics - there's no disarming them.
Chris... Amen to
October 1, 2007 - 16:35 ET by bigtimerChris...
Amen to that.
I am hoping with all my heart that Thompson does at least half of that...if not more.
Time will tell. I am like you though, if only a real conservative would call rubbish when it is rubbish...
He/she would win hands down.
Btw....I cannot at this moment think what or where it was, but illegal immigration was not even mentioned as a campaign issue to the voters....
I beg to differ, it is a major issue, and whoever runs on that along with a few other things I have mentioned here in the past will win easily IMHO.
Even Ronald Reagan,
October 1, 2007 - 16:40 ET by Chris NormanEven Ronald Reagan, especially late in his presidency, frequently let the Dems and media dishonestly frame the discussion.
You ARE the PROBLEM!
October 1, 2007 - 17:00 ET by KeithYou were disappointed at the statements of Huckabee and Brownback because you're a racist, who clearly views Blacks as "them" and those against Blacks as US. You view the sensitive apologies of two great men of faith, as "giving" something to the OTHER SIDE.
Last time I checked these people were running for President of the United States of America, not President of the WHITE FOLK. You need counseling and racial sensitivity training! ( Never thought I'd recommend THAT!) Gee, you're dumb.
keith.... Stick it.
October 1, 2007 - 17:04 ET by bigtimerkeith....
Stick it.
BT, it's hilarious that Keith, the blatant bigot
October 1, 2007 - 17:27 ET by RJis calling others names....
LOL RJ.... I only have so
October 1, 2007 - 17:35 ET by bigtimerLOL RJ....
I only have so much time and I am not wasting it on the likes of him today...
Maybe some other time.
Keith, seems to me that
October 1, 2007 - 17:35 ET by bassndudeKeith, seems to me that your the racist here. They are not running for President of the BLACK FOLK either. Like I said earlier, your spending to much time in your little pretend world, with your little pretend friends. You dont have a REAL job. Your a pretender, and a biggoted pretender at that. You need help.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Nor the President of the
October 1, 2007 - 18:16 ET by Chris NormanNor are they running as President of the Race Hustlers of America, who have thrived on sowing racial discord and non-solutions to help the poor. Don't try that crap with us. Now, slither back into your hole.
blaster: Guest Workers, Davis-Bacon, and racist Democrats
October 1, 2007 - 16:26 ET by RJ(From the too-narrow thread above)
blaster, the improper use of the guest worker and H1B Visa programs is not new, nor does the problem belong solely to President Bush. They've been used for a long, long time on both sides of the aisle as a political spoils program.
As for Davis-Bacon, it's a racist law, originally written as a race barrier to the (then) all-white unions. There are plenty of links to back this up, but here's one. I urge you to read it for a look at the real, negative implications, even today, to the minority community. Some pertinent passages:
"The Davis-Bacon Act imposes tremendous economic and social costs -- at least $1 billion in extra federal construction costs and $100 million in administrative expenses each year. Industry compliance costs total nearly $190 million per year. Repeal of the act would also create an estimated 31,000 new construction jobs, most of which would go to members of minority groups.
"Davis-Bacon's impact on the ability of minorities to find work in the construction industry has been particularly devastating. The Department of Labor's initial set of regulations did not recognize categories of unskilled workers except for union apprentices. As a result, contractors had to pay an unskilled worker who was not part of a union apprenticeship program as much as a skilled laborer, which almost completely excluded blacks from working on Davis-Bacon projects. This effectively foreclosed the only means by which unskilled blacks could learn the necessary skills to become skilled workers....
"The paperwork a contractor must fill out pursuant to Davis-Bacon contracts also discriminates against small, minority-owned firms. Many do not have personnel with the necessary expertise to complete the myriad forms and reports required.
"As a result of all these factors, the Davis-Bacon Act prevents rural and inner-city laborers and contractors from working on projects in their own communities. Ironically, this is one problem Davis-Bacon was intended to prevent."
Yet, it's not the Repubicans who want to keep this racist law...it's the Democrats...because they want to protect the unions.
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