WaPo Attacks Fred Thompson's 'Jingoistic Assertions' About U.S. Fight for Liberty


Every now and then you read something that is accepted in the MSM, or better yet, perpetrated upon its readers that literally leaves you speechless. The Gawker Jew bashing articles were my most recent examples. Until now.

The Washington Post has gone on a fact bashing mission over a stump speech that Presidential candidate Fred Thompson made in Iowa. The anonymous writer of 'the claim' zeros in on the following statement made by Thompson.

"You know, you look back over our history, and it doesn't take you long to realize that our people have shed more blood for other people's liberty than any other combination of nations in the history of the world.''

-- Fred D. Thompson, stump speech in Des Moines, Sept. 7

As a result the WaPo staff has decided that Fred Thompson's claim deserves "four Pinocchios" for a "jingoistic assertion cannot be supported by facts, barring some tortuous definition of the phrase "other people's liberty.""

In doing so the WaPo article begins by citing U.S. census bureau figures of causalities for all the conflict casualties in U.S. wars, ending with a witty, or so they think, "as of today" stat to emphasize the ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They then proceed to follow that by examples of countries that have "shed more blood for liberty" by using the Soviet Union's WWII casualties along with other stats from the conquests of Alexandrian Greeks and Napolean!

Seemingly oblivious to the difference between giving a life fighting for other peoples liberty and shedding blood in a conquest to either defend yourself from conquest or seeking to conquer others the WaPo author proceeds to mention case after case that supposedly pins Fred Thompson as a liar.

Ed Morrisey at Captain's Quarters blog decimates the fallacious and highly biased claims made by the Washington Post's anonymous writer.

The Post awards Thompson "four Pinocchios" for his statement. I'd award the Post about ten dunce caps for borderline illiteracy.

Thompson specifically mentions that we shed our blood for "other people's liberty", not our own. That excludes any nation that fought to defend its own territory. The Soviet Union had allied itself with Nazi Germany -- right up to the moment of Hitler's invasion of June 1941. The Soviets did not fight the Germans to liberate anyone except themselves. True, they bled massively in their defeat of the Nazis, but they didn't do it out of love of liberty or selfless devotion to France or Britain. Their effort certainly helped the West in achieving victory on Hitler's Western front, but that wasn't why Joseph Stalin insisted on crushing the Nazis. Had Hitler not launched Operation Barbarossa, Stalin wouldn't have lifted a finger for anyone's liberty, let alone those of his own people -- which he proved in the post-war Iron Curtain he imposed on Europe.

Anyone who can't figure this much out has no business writing for a professional newspaper. It's a ludicrous, almost ghoulish argument in the face of what followed World War II in Europe. It's worthy of Walter Duranty, the disgraced Soviet apologist of the 1930s New York Times.

The rest of the piece is almost as bad. The unidentified writer uses the conquests of the Alexandrian Greeks (actually Macedonians, to be accurate) as a counter-example to Fred's claim, as well as Napoleon. The Post seems to have some trouble distinguishing imperial acquisition from liberty, a lost distinction that explains quite a bit of what appears on the pages of its newspaper.

Ed's post is a must read in full because he lays out the facts of the "fact checkers" in a strikingly cogent and comprehensive fashion even though it took little space to do so.

The newsrooms of the mainstream media are filled with seemingly poorly educated products of a highly biased and narrowly sighted education system that is turning out more students that appear arrested in development rather than clear thinking objective individuals. Of all the claims to fact check coming out of the mouths of politicians it is interesting that the Washington Post would choose to do a twofer by attacking both Fred Thompson and the memories of heroes, men and women of honor who died defending their right to be so biased and wrong in such a public forum.


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Well, of course!

"The newsrooms of the mainstream media are filled with seemingly poorly educated products of a highly biased and narrowly sighted education system that is turning out more students that appear arrested in development rather than clear thinking objective individuals."

Exactly!

Take a look at the history books that they read in school, now, at least for journalism students that actually study history.  I doubt many of the current history books and courses teach about USA exceptionalism in any form.  Certainly not about how the USA sacrifices so much in the defense of other nations, unless it's "for the oil."

I agree that the WAPO

I agree that the WAPO assertion is ludicrous, but if you want to get technical about dying liberating others, Canada (the country up till recently that was not pulling it's weight on defense ) lost 5.5 times more people per capita in  WWI and 1.5 times more in WW2 than the USA. The heavy losses of the USA in Korea and Vietnam bring the balance back. We are not getting much exposure on our current Afghanistan mission, where losses have been high relative to the number of troops deployed. 

They then proceed to follow

They then proceed to follow that by examples of countries that have "shed more blood for liberty" by using the Soviet Union's WWII casualties

Note to WaPo:

The USA, while sustaining post-WWII military bases in some areas of Europe (MAINLY to ward off invasion from the USSR on those military depleated countries - Germany) DID NOT annex any countries or land post-WWII ... AND WE COULD HAVE! (And some say we should have ... in the Pacific too).

The USSR's dog in the WWII fight was to not only sustain their own Communist government from the invasion of Nazi Socialist Fascism (they were rivals for social control), but to spread their own totalitarian government ideology into Europe.  Just a reminder, THIS IS NOT "LIBERTY" ... It's transfer of totalitarian power from one dictator to another.  My beloved Grandparents had remaining family members in Hungary and (then) Czechoslovakia who went from years of terror and oppression with the Nazis to terror and oppression from the Soviet Communists. And need I also remind that it was Hungary who was the first country to boldly resist and throw off the throngs of Communist USSR?

Question for the WaPo:

Exactly who took COMPLETE control over large sections of Europe post-WWII?

a) the USA

b) the USSR

Yes, it's multiple choice, and you have a 50-50 chance of getting it right. 

No doubt the losses of Soviet military were high in WWII.  Anyone who vaguely knows anything about WWII knows German soldiers who fell in bad favor were "sent to the Russian front" in the war ... and they feared it for a reason.  The killing cold and extreme harsh conditions, in addition to the remoreness and distance from supply lines.  This was true for the Soviet fighters too.  But, as in all Communist societies run by a heartless totalitarian government, the people are expendable for the cause and spread of the ideology.

Another reminder to the WaPo:

After the fall of Nazi Germany in WWII, our Generals practically begged the President to push ahead into the Soviet Union ... That our alliance ended the moment Hitler and Co. fell ... and we knew full well the plans the USSR had for Europe.

ignorance

The "jounalists", the "teachers", and the rest of the "liberals" in our country are out of control, making wild, ridiculous statements based on their limited knowledge of history ( or anything else). They simply make things up or outright lie. This is what our modern "education" and P.C. has wrought. Ignorance is bliss and there is no shortage of it in the MSM today or our public schools. The poor results of recent history test given to first-year students in prestigious ivy-league universites proves the point. Sad and quite dangerous.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal" 

Politics for Dummies lesson 17: "Jingoistic"

The word "jingo" or "jingoism" is right out of the Communist lexicon. Anyone who uses this word is a Leftist and has zero credibility. If this word is invoked, you can be pretty safe in believing the exact opposite of whatever is said.

Yep, it's right up there

Yep, it's right up there with "Why didn't Bush send his daughters to the Iraq War?"

I have asked this in the

I have asked this in the past, and will ask again. To be a Journalism major, is there an education requirement?
 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

there's a school requirement...

there's a school requirement - not the same as an education requirement!

Down at U of ILL in the 70's, those that couldn't hack it in a "real" degree like chemistry, history, etc., took a teaching degree. Those that couldn't hack it in Education (what an oxymoron that is) wound up in Journalism.

Engineering major, after graduation:
"How do we calculate the stress on that bridge beam?"
Liberal Arts major, after graduation:
"Would you like fries with the sir?"