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Mark Lloyd is the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)'s Chief Diversity Officer, a.k.a. the Diversity Czar. And he has in a recently discovered bit of archive audio goodness detailed his rather disturbing perspective on race, power and the American system.
(Audio located below the fold, courtesy of Breitbart.tv and Naked Emperor News)
This is of course in addition to Lloyd's rather disturbing perspective on the First Amendment.
"It should be clear by now that my focus here is not freedom of speech or the press. This freedom is all too often an exaggeration. At the very least, blind references to freedom of speech or the press serve as a distraction from the critical examination of other communications policies.
"[T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance."
And Lloyd's rather disturbing perspective on Venezuelan Communist dictator Hugo Chavez's "incredible...democratic revolution." To go with Lloyd's bizarre admiration for the thuggishly fascistic manner in which "Chavez began to take very seriously the media in his country."
We have said repeatedly that Lloyd is a man myopically focused on race. What is revealed here is more than just that. Listening to excerpts of his offerings at a May 2005 Conference on Media Reform: Racial Justice reveals a man that finds great fault with our nation's power structure - as he defines and sees it. And in his racially-warped, finite pie worldview, too many white people sit alone in the too few spots atop the heap. They're "good white people," mind you, but ...
This... there's nothing more difficult than this. Because we have really, truly good white people in important positions. And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem.
We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.
So white people, good though they may be, must "step down so" "more people of color, gays" and "other people" "can have power." And thereby "change the problem" of whites running the show.
So who is "in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power?" Why, Lloyd is.
Lloyd now sits astride the FCC, which regulates and oversees a very finite world indeed. That being the radio dial, and the limited number of broadcast licenses that can be issued.
As Lloyd has said repeatedly if not exhaustively in writing, he thinks too few white people hold too many of this finite resource. And he has designed (in his 2006 book Prologue to a Farce) and co-authored (the 2007 Center for American Progress report "The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio") a fee, fine and regulatory nightmare to effect a reduction in the number of the licenses they hold so that they may be redistributed to "more people of color, gays" and "other people."
This is how Lloyd wishes to "change the problem." This is his definition of "media diversity."
The tape also contains audio from a July 2007 interview Lloyd did on the very liberal Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR)'s CounterSpin radio show, where he had this to say about the so-called "Fairness" Doctrine.
(Which - we will say for the umpteenth time - we KNOW he does not wish to reimpose. Members of the media and the Left [pardon the redundancy] have repeatedly inaccurately reported that we have said he does, so as to ignore our very legitimate concerns regarding Lloyd's plans for "media diversity" and "localism" enforcement.)
What we're really saying is that the Fairness Doctrine's not enough. And that having a sort of over-arching rule that says broadcasters ought to be "fair" or ought to provide issues important to communities and that they ought to do it in a fair and balanced way is simply enough. Unless you put some teeth into that and put some hard, structural rules in place that are going to result in fairness.
So in other words, as stifling, as "chilling" as the mis-named "Fairness" Doctrine was when enforced, it fell and falls way short of Lloyd's censorship intentions. Hence his book and report, the "hard structural rules" he wants to put in place to wring his definition of "fairness" out of the system.
On the tape, Lloyd has an additional gem.
The conversation about how we communicate with each other despite being aware of the clear impressions that I know that I make in rooms that I walk into, when people hear my voice, is a challenge. How much do I express the... I think really pretty obvious complaints of black Americans in rooms full of whites....
There are few things I think more frightening in the American mind than dark skinned black men. Here I am.
We told you he was myopically fixated on race.
I can think of a great number of things far more frightening than dark skinned black men. Government censorship - imposed by anyone of any color - leaps to this American mind.
The more we learn of Lloyd and his views, the more clear it becomes he has no business holding any gig at the FCC. He should forthwith join Communist "Truther" Van Jones as an ex-Administration official.
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The tape's transcript en toto:
Conference on Media Reform: Racial Justice
May 2005During the Clinton Administration, largely because of Congress who was then very concerned about affirmative action and believed that - although affirmative action largely benefited white women - that affirmative action was largely viewed as something that was benefiting blacks. Not necessarily any of the other racial groups (his laughter) but blacks. And that blacks had gotten enough and it was time to do something about this. These affirmative action programs needed to be stopped. We have not made much improvement since we've begun to pull back (sic) from those things in the mid 1990s.
The conversation about how we communicate with each other despite being aware of the clear impressions that I know that I make in rooms that I walk into, when people hear my voice, is a challenge. How much do I express the... I think really pretty obvious complaints of black Americans in rooms full of whites.
This... there's nothing more difficult than this. Because we have really, truly good white people in important positions. And the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem. We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power.
There are few things I think more frightening in the American mind than dark skinned black men. Here I am.
Fairness and Accuracy In Media's CounterSpin Radio
July 2007What we're really saying is that the Fairness Doctrine's not enough. And that having a sort of over-arching rule that says broadcasters ought to be fair or ought to provide issues important to communities and that they ought to do it in a fair and balanced way is simply enough. Unless you put some teeth into that and put some hard, structural rules in place that are going to result in fairness.
—Seton Motley is Director of Communications for the Media Research Center and Contributing Editor for NewsBusters.org.





















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I predict he will be gone
September 23, 2009 - 07:47 ET by NewsbusterbrownI predict he will be gone sooner or later. These socialist/communist vampires can't stand the sunlight.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
what?
September 23, 2009 - 16:06 ET by Theo J. BeachGuess I had Dr. King wrong. I believed him when he looked toward a time when we would be a color blind society and judge people by their character. Sounded good, but must have been a ruse. Silly me, next time I interview an employee I'll just do a color test instead of reading their resume'.
Look
September 23, 2009 - 07:49 ET by JustAlI understand why the current regime calls these clowns zcars, but why do we also insist on hiding what they truely are? . . . Kommisars.
It's Change allright
September 23, 2009 - 07:51 ET by nadadhimmiSo watcha think about the new "Post Racial" Amerikkka? I know race haters when I see them, and Obama and his crew are WORSE than any we have ever seen in this country. I want to see this guy tell Gibson, Williams, Curic, Blitzer, Olberman et al that they have to "do the right thing" and give up their jobs, benefits and assets to minorities to "address social justice". Do think these wonderful progressives will sacrifice their own carreers and money for the social justice they demand WE provide to slackers, deadbeats bums and drug addicts? Well, do you?
Diversity Czar?
September 23, 2009 - 07:55 ET by docjohn52Two questions,
What the hell is a diversity czar?
And why would they appoint a RACIST to the position?
why appoint a racist?
September 23, 2009 - 08:15 ET by RayRaynearly every college in America hires a black racist in a similar position. And the more they get for free, just from being black, the angrier and more demanding they get - just like Michelle Obama has obviously displayed through most of her life, until she finally is where she can't look up and see a hated white person anymore.
Two answers
September 23, 2009 - 08:30 ET by mattm1. A Diversity Czar is an oligarch in charge of making sure white folk suffer for the alleged past sins of their forefathers.
2. Racists are appointed to these positions because they are better at the job than just plain ignorant people.
Simple...
September 23, 2009 - 09:28 ET by slickwillie2001White racism bad, black racism good.
But..but..but...He can't be
September 23, 2009 - 10:18 ET by RowaneBut..but..but...He can't be a rayciist, he's black.
This is the next czar head that needs to roll. For The country's sake they should all be dragged into the sunlight to let all see the kind of communist creeps obambi is appointing.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
appointment day got confused with opposite day?
September 23, 2009 - 15:01 ET by katainkentthat's how we got Timothy Geithner.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
Yep, we got Geithner...
September 23, 2009 - 16:35 ET by JerWhose appointment was initially applauded even by NB's resident--and very conservative--economic authority, Noel Sheppard, as well as a number of prominent Republicans and mainstream economists.
Jer
No way. Not Geithner.
September 23, 2009 - 17:17 ET by TailgunnerI can't think of a single conservative who ever supported that criminal.
It's been common knowledge that Geithner was a tax cheat.
No. WORSE than a tax cheat.
Try lying on an official form, tax fraud AND tax evasion.
When Geithner worked for the International Monetary Fund he was reimbursed for the amount of taxes the IRS charged.
In short, Geithner was expected to pay the full amount to the IRS and get a reimbursement from the IMF.
Geithner had to SIGN A FORM stating he would pay all taxes owed to the IRS in return for the IMF reimbursement.
Geithner LIED. He SIGNED the IMF form.
But he failed to pay his 'SE' (self-employment) taxes to the IRS for 'several years'...but was REIMBURSED for those SAME 'SE' taxes during that time.
So here we have Tim Geithner on charges of PERJURY, tax FRAUD, tax EVASION, and whatever other legal and ethical violations your legal mind can come up with.
And OBAMA STILL APPOINTED THIS TAX CRIMINAL.
Please tell me which 'conservatives' (Kathleen Parker and David Brooks don't count) would support a tax CRIMINAL.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Jer
September 23, 2009 - 17:29 ET by katainkentwas this before or after the tax issues? I know the support wasn't from me. My reaction was "business as usual". As in, bailouts to continue.
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
kat [and TG]..
September 23, 2009 - 18:51 ET by JerBefore.
Jer
so
September 23, 2009 - 19:32 ET by katainkentin the frenzy of Obama picking his financial 'dream team' people sighed a huge sigh of relief that there are were least some 'knowns'. I was not one of them. I saw a man in favor of bailouts. I saw more business as usual. When Geithner's books were cracked open and his tax problems were exposed it only furthered my disgust.
I am truly amazed that the one person I am even semi happy with Obama picking, is Hillary Clinton. She's the only person that strikes me as even semi sane. Not a benchmark I enjoy using.
ps. I believe that is your shortest post, ever. :)
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
Oh?
September 23, 2009 - 20:12 ET by JerOh?
→
September 23, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Cool ArrowCool..
September 23, 2009 - 20:33 ET by JerYour most eloquent post in months. More, please.
Jer
→ No problem
September 23, 2009 - 20:35 ET by Cool ArrowBrevity for its own sake.
Less when warranted.
→ Interesting threat
September 23, 2009 - 08:03 ET by Cool ArrowThere are few things I think more frightening in the American mind than dark skinned black men. Here I am.
That's it? [paraphrasing] "I'm black! Fear me!"
Who's fanning the flames of racism?
This guy should never tell
September 23, 2009 - 09:55 ET by Barry BondsThis guy should never tell the truth or give his opinion because he is always going to offend the delicate sensibilities of Newsbumblers. Doesn't he know better?
Sorry you're offended, BB.
September 23, 2009 - 10:18 ET by KarmaHe will continue to tell the truth because he does know better. Cool Arrow has always been that way.
Also, I like your new label. Newsbumbler kinda fits you well.
Hi. My name is John Q. Public, but some just call me racist.
→ Karma
September 23, 2009 - 10:25 ET by Cool ArrowThank you.
I like "Newsbummer".
September 23, 2009 - 16:08 ET by TailgunnerNationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
How about
September 23, 2009 - 16:45 ET by JerHow about "Newshummer"?...or does that carry certain objectionable sexual implica...oh never mind.
Jer
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
September 24, 2009 - 15:29 ET by TailgunnerLet me think on that.
=D
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
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September 24, 2009 - 15:34 ET by katainkentthat seriously messed up my margins :P
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The Emperor, he has no clothes
→ Thanks Barry
September 23, 2009 - 10:21 ET by Cool ArrowYou didn't refute my interpretation of Lloyd's statement, but went directly to name-calling.
I appreciate the swiftness with which you capitulated.
Barry, Barry, Barry,
September 23, 2009 - 11:20 ET by boomerconWhatever is to become of you? Those nasty steroids are into the grey matter, aren't they. So sad.
It's not our sensibilities
September 23, 2009 - 13:38 ET by fitzfongIt's not our sensibilities you need to be afraid of, scumbag. President Alinsky got elected because he successfully hid his radical, anti-American, Marxist sympathies from the general public. Package economic illiteracy and command-and-control thuggery into the euphemisms "Hope" and "Change" and you're able to slide a conga line of Communist bullies past the electorate. But once you get elected on this mythical hopenchange, people who fell for your feel good crap without questioning your credibility and motives start to get a bit upset that you deceived them and hired a bunch of heavy-handed incompetents like Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod, Larry Summers, Christine Romer, Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, Eric Holder, Ron Getelfinger, Kathleen Sebelius (not to mention the Congressional "leadership" that caused this financial disaster in the first place...Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Frank, Dodd, Corzine...) with the strict intention of running our lives...especially as the deceived chose to believe the denials of Wright, Ayers, Dorn, etc. by Alinsky, Jr. against the warnings of those of us who were always suspicious. That's right, we aren't the ones you should be fearing. You should be fearing the righteous electoral revolt from those who were tricked into following your pathetic excuse for a "leader". Be afraid. Be very afraid.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
"slide a conga line of
September 23, 2009 - 16:53 ET by Jer"slide a conga line of Communist bullies past the electorate"
Wow!....Despite the overheated partisan rhetoric, it's hard to get upset with someone who can turn a phrase like that.
Jer
Ah, thanks, Jer. You know
September 23, 2009 - 17:28 ET by fitzfongAh, thanks, Jer. You know I'd water it down for you. :-)
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Ohh Barrwee got his Troll feelings hurt
September 23, 2009 - 16:20 ET by Airforce_5_OSlinking from somewhere below a bridge in Goat Land, the troll squints at the sun light and prays for night to come!
Liberalism: The haunting feeling that someone, somewhere, can help themselves.
Nah - he's just complimenting himself
September 23, 2009 - 10:16 ET by KC MulvilleHe's convinced that we're afraid of him. That's just ego.
What he could have said is that as a black man, he ought to be respected. Fine, I agree. He could have said that he sees specific instances where race is being used unfairly against him. Fine, be specific and identify them, and if we all agree they're legitimate criticisms, we'll fix them.
What we don't agree to is the idea that we're blind to our own racism, and that therefore we must voluntarily hand over positions of power to black people. No. That equation doesn't compute.
No society can function on the premise that the shared authority of the state must be concentrated in the hands of specific groups as the only way to address their concerns. If the only way a group can address its concerns is to be in power, then we can only address one group at a time, which can't work in a pluralistic society.
BHO is supposed to be this great intellectual-
September 23, 2009 - 08:11 ET by JIMMY1660and is to be judge by the folks he surrounds himself with.
reading the above-enough said about his inner circle.
how do you like the changes so far.
BHO- THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE
Obama is a thug who surrounds himself with other thugs.
September 23, 2009 - 12:27 ET by TailgunnerNationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
This crazy thug taught at
September 23, 2009 - 22:07 ET by Barry BondsThis crazy thug taught at MIT.
What were they thinking?
Where is Bill the Bomber Ayers teaching?
September 23, 2009 - 22:21 ET by TailgunnerYou know damn well academia is home to some of the worst leftwing criminal elements...Angela Davis immediately springs to mind.
Try again, pal.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
"dark skinned"
September 23, 2009 - 08:11 ET by RayRayhere he's showing his doubled-up racism, separating himself from light skinned blacks. IOW, he's the "real" black man with no white blood in him.
Mark Lloyd a racist?
September 23, 2009 - 08:20 ET by BKeyserThe problem, therefor, is that there are too many white people in positions of power. He doesn't back that up with statistics, but it would be interesting to compare the facts to the demographics of the country. This is one of the main problems with premise of affirmative action- it's purpose may have been just (sort of) but it has far overreached in it's implementation.
But, if the problem is that there are too many white people in powerful positions, then by logical extension, they must not be doing a very good job. I would be far more acceptable to that view than a simple judgement based on the color of their skin. And if I understand racism, it involves pre-judging someone based on the color of their skin.
→ Keyser
September 23, 2009 - 08:23 ET by Cool ArrowThat would be about as silly as electing somebody to the Presidency without regard to the content of his character.
OK, that would never happen.
Can you give me an example
September 23, 2009 - 09:54 ET by Barry BondsCan you give me an example of how AA has over-reached in its implementation?
What you ment to say is if you knew: prejudice.
Racim is the idea that one is inferior or superior due to their skin
Bigotry is a lack of tolerence of one because of his skin.
No racism is not about skin
September 23, 2009 - 11:24 ET by Dan The Man 2No racism is not about skin color, it is about one people discriminating another people. Skin color may or may not have something to do with it. In the older times the races were identified by tribes such as Isralites and Philostines or some such. IMO it was ussually about rights to the land. Only in modern times and in America has race been defined as skin color.
And bigotry is not a lack of tolerance but a prejudice against another based on a number of factors that person belives to be true about the person or group he is being a bigot against.
BB you really need to understand the meaning of terms before yopu spout off some claptrap you heard whilst under the bridge.
example of how AA has over-reached in its implementation
September 23, 2009 - 11:28 ET by RayRaysure-> Barack Obama
Don't be so bitter. And
September 23, 2009 - 22:15 ET by Barry BondsDon't be so bitter.
And don't blame AA blame the colossal ineptitude of the Right Wing vis a vis George W. Bush.
You ignore Bush I and you have to carry water for Bush II until something better come along so you've had one decent president out of your last three and for some strange reason you think the country would be better off under your guidance. How insane is that.
And when you put Reagan up against Clinton - the numbers really don't look good for Reagan.
(yawn)
September 23, 2009 - 22:20 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
Trollin'.. Trollin'.. Trollin'..
September 23, 2009 - 22:24 ET by Sergeant ROCK.. he's got to keep a trollin'...
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
...keep those trolls a
September 23, 2009 - 22:28 ET by bigtimer...keep those trolls a rollin'....ROCKhide!
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
And when you put Reagan up
September 24, 2009 - 10:02 ET by fitzfongAnd when you put Reagan up against Clinton - the numbers really don't look good for Reagan.
This nugget of "analysis" coming from a guy who doesn't even know the difference between a "benefactor" and a "beneficiary". F******* amateur.
"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best
Barry?
September 23, 2009 - 16:42 ET by BKeyserArt Shell, Romeo Crennel, Ray Rhodes. All hired by NFL owners to meet a social push for more black head coaches- all failed at the position. I thinks its safe to say that the current roster of NFL players is the best the world has to offer, but since the NFLPA is roughly 70% black, should we implement AA to bring the demographics back in line with the populous? And if not, then why should we do so for head coaches?
Now, using your definitions of "racism" and "bigotry", where does this statement fit in?: "And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color,
gays, other people in those positions we will not change the problem."
I always knew the entire AA
September 23, 2009 - 22:12 ET by Barry BondsI always knew the entire AA argument rested on the performance of three black coaches in the NFL.
Never before has such a controversial issue been so throughly examined and explained. Bravo.
Barry~~
September 23, 2009 - 22:15 ET by BKeyserYou asked for an example a$$hole! I gave you one! I didn't say that AA was never useful, or that it should have never been implemented, only that it became so PC that it was over implemented.
You, however, did not reply to my question. If the best you can do is throw diatribes, go back to MM, or HuffPo, or DKos, or whatever mud-slinging blog you get your talking points from.
First, stop crying. Your example was stupid.
September 23, 2009 - 22:23 ET by Barry BondsSeconding, to answer your question without hearing the entire speech or the context in which he made the statement I would venture to say that he made the statement based on his idea that the homogeneity of ideas produced by the dominate white male power structure has run its course and we should look at more diverse backgrounds and diverse groups of people to answer the problems of today and tomorrow.
What you don't like is when the status quo is questioned - that isn't Mark Lloyds fault. That is your own weakness.
(yawn)
September 23, 2009 - 22:24 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
Barry~~
September 23, 2009 - 22:37 ET by BKeyserNo the example wasn't stupid. NFL and NCAA coaching positions are a clear and classic example of AA in action. It's stated by both elements- indisputable. The fact that you don't like my example, do to your bias toward AA, does not change this fact.
Also, the context of Lloyd's statement is in this column. Did you even read the damn thing? Mark Lloyd is judging the people in what he considers powerful positions, by the color of their skin- and then determining that they are not adequately performing their duties because of that.
By your own words:
Racim [sic]is the idea that one is inferior or superior due to their skin [color] September 23, 2009 - 10:54 ET by Barry Bonds
I stand by my statement- Mark Lloyd is a racist.
The Seventh Sense - I see racist people!
September 23, 2009 - 23:20 ET by Barry BondsThere have been good black coaches and bad black coaches.
Out of the three you've named I know for a fact that there are white coaches who were worst than them. So what does that detail add to your argument? It tells me that success and failure in the NFL has nothing to do with race. While AA provides an opportunity to be successful or a failure it doesn't not insure that you will be a failure - that is left to the individual and his circumstances.
I still can't believe we're using three NFL coaches as the benchmark for the success or failure of the AA program. The greatest flaw in your analysis is the fact that you used three black men as your control when white women are by far the greatest benefactors of AA so your analysis should be based on their OVERALL success and failure since the implementation of AA.
Does AA even apply to private companies like NFL sports teams?
If a persons ideas are antiquated does that mean they are themselves inferior? And I am sure the biggest flaw in the thinking of the white male power structure has nothing to do with their skin color and everything to do with group think.
Waka, waka, waka....
Bar bar~~
September 23, 2009 - 23:29 ET by BKeyser[Okay my fellow libs, remember, when it's obvious that you've lost the argument, sidestep it, then come back with some obscure tangental and diversionary babble. Those cons are too stupid to pick up on it, and you can run off to another thread unchallenged. Now... go get 'em!]
Well actualy coaches is a bad example
September 23, 2009 - 23:31 ET by general companyTheir is no AA in coaching, just ask all of the loosers. Oh wait......? The succesful survive? Hhmm
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
→ Crybaby Barry
September 23, 2009 - 23:54 ET by Cool ArrowNever before has such a controversial issue been so throughly examined and explained. Bravo.
How prejudiced can you be, Barry?
Check this out!
Barry, I know it doesn't fit your storyline but if you were truly interested in diversity, you wouldn't have excluded Tom Flores.
Funny, isn't it? No, it's not.
Because while a whole bunch of people were crying "The man won't let me get ahead" Tom Flores, (hardly an ethnicity one normally associated with Football in the late 70's) was achieving those goals.
Here it is in a nutshell, crybaby.
Those who say it can't be done need to get out of the way of those who are doing it.
And there ain't nobody gonna say Tom Flores got where he is by Affirmative Action.
I don't know anything about
September 24, 2009 - 07:00 ET by Barry BondsI don't know anything about Tom Flores, and successful and unsuccessful minority NFL coaches is not my area of expertise so forgive me for not mentioning the guy.
It sounds like he was given a great opportunity to achieve his goals. He sounds like a blessed guy. What does that have to do with anything else? I don't know. Personally, I hope this isn't an example of: "he did it, why cant' everyone else do it". My response to that statement would be: Tom Flores still needed a white guy to sign off on his dream. And I bet for every Tom Flores there are about 5 other guys who had the same talent but were never given the opportunity.
And we're not even talking about women - are they too dumb to master NFL strategery? Do you mean to tell me that there has NEVER been a woman in the history of sports good enough to successfully coach an NFL team?
→ Barry
September 24, 2009 - 09:31 ET by Cool ArrowNow you're all over the board. It bothers you that a brown man made something of himself without a bunch of public whining.
He wasn't a crybaby so, in your words, "I don't know anything about Tom Flores, and successful and unsuccessful minority NFL coaches is not my area of expertise so forgive me for not
mentioning the guy."
Now you're busted, Barry!
Deny you said,
"I always knew the entire AA argument rested on the performance of three black coaches in the NFL."
You're a racist Barry. Mexican-Americans don't count, huh? You're making a purist argument covering blacks only. That's racist, but it's your right to believe it.
What I'm pointing out to your lazy brain is that what you "always knew", was wrong because believe diversity is only for those groups that fit into your narrative.
Cool~
September 24, 2009 - 09:54 ET by Georgia GirlHonestly, any day of the week -- in any courtroom in America -- you could easily slip in and take over the role of prosecutor. You're a great debator and logical thinker, dude. ^_^
Sorry, I am not bothered by
September 24, 2009 - 10:12 ET by Barry BondsSorry, I am not bothered by anyones accomplishments - especially someone I don't know in a field I could care less about.
Since you didn't realize the SARCASM in my statement you think you've hit on something. That is your lacking not mine. No, you can't analyze AA through the accomplishments of three "failed" NFL coaches that is stupid as I mentioned before.
You're an idiot for not following the entire conversation.
→ Thanks Barry
September 24, 2009 - 10:28 ET by Cool ArrowThanks for admitting you are arguing from a position of ignorance.
I'm sure you feel better now that you've admitted your tunnelvision towards blacks to the total exception of other minorities.
2 cents
September 26, 2009 - 07:24 ET by AgnosticIt is not about football, coaches or even a particular race-
Flores was not "given" any thing - he earned it. Not only did he earn his position but he excelled in his job for a long period of time. AA gives people their position and therefore the motivation for the targeted societal sub-group to achieve and excel are diminished.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
BKeyser is right
September 24, 2009 - 00:00 ET by candanceNo one should get a break because they are white, and no one should get a break because they are black. When you hire someone for the sake of their skin color, it usually has nothing to do with their actual job.
White coaches vs black coaches is not as simple as citing white coaches who were bad. Some coaches are honestly recruited because someone thought they were good when they weren't. Many minority coaches in the NFL are specifically hired to increase diversity.
So apples to apples would be comparing bad coaches who got hired for being white vs bad coaches who got hired for being black.
And aside from that, AA is condescending to minorities. It is built on the premise that they just can't make it with the big boys and girls. They don't win out of being the best - they win because mommy bribed the refs.
→ Brown Coaches?
September 24, 2009 - 00:20 ET by Cool ArrowTom Flores has rings for Super Bowls XI, XV, XVIII. The last two were as head coach.
How many brown people were even associated with the NFL that far back?
Good thing he didn't wait for Congress or SCOTUS to pave the way for him.
He's a genius he paved the
September 24, 2009 - 07:01 ET by Barry BondsHe's a genius he paved the way for himself.
I'm sure no one else had any faith in him and GAVE him an opportunity because coaching in the NFL is his right and not a privilege.
→ Yeah, Barry
September 24, 2009 - 09:36 ET by Cool ArrowHe worked his way up. EARNED his posts, performed them well, and was the logical replacement to John Madden.
He doesn't fit your whining narrative at all. I can see this bothers the heck out of you, so I'll drop it.
The glaring flaw in your
September 24, 2009 - 07:02 ET by Barry BondsThe glaring flaw in your arguement: there are no "big girls."
Women are covered under Federal AA guidelines and white women are the largest benefactors of AA.
Barry, good example
September 24, 2009 - 07:38 ET by AgnosticThanks for pointing out the major problem with AA and that is the perception that since a percentage get special treatment that all are questionable. The leap in sexism you created by going from "largest benefactors" to "no big girls" is exactly the problem with any preferential treatment and why all people should be treated equally. Enforce the laws on the books and stop creating special classes and creating new laws - only the lawyers and politicians win when there is a greater reliance on interpretation and that is rarely good for society.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Roid Rage
September 23, 2009 - 22:30 ET by RESTLESS 1You've been swinging and missing since you got here. Time to head back to the minors.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
Fairness what a joke....
September 23, 2009 - 08:20 ET by jgarcia"[T]he purpose of free speech is warped to protect global corporations and block rules that would promote democratic governance."
The purpose for a Diversity Czar is to warp and create rules that will promote democratic control over anyone who doesn’t agree with or bend over for this current Administration’s personal agenda!
Any other brilliant ideas?
September 23, 2009 - 08:24 ET by CrashDoes he mean like the "Black's in charge" of places like nearly the entire continent of Africa home of mud huts, infectious disease, the slave trade, despots, poverty and ill planning which leads to famine after famine. Or city's like Oakland, Detroit, New Orleans, D.C. and Philadelphia with crime rates through the roof, gang violence, the breakdown of the family, drug abuse, and corruption? Now that's leadership! Of course they all happen to be Democrats.
And they keep voting the
September 23, 2009 - 08:46 ET by IgnatzJFahrquarAnd they keep voting the same power base back into office. Just as in Cleveland where several county officials (Dems) have been nailed by the Feds and I'll bet dollars to dougnuts they'll be replaced by the more of the same. Heaven forbid the entitlement teat is removed.
"You should always tell the truth, because if you tell the truth you make it the other person's problem." Sean Connery
Typical complaints and ideas
September 23, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Barry BondsTypical complaints and ideas of a weak mind. In case you haven't noticed Africa does not have a monopoly on poorly ran governments and brainwashed citizens.
Look at the group of people who, I know I can't mention his name, re-hired that guy from Texas after the first four abysmal years under his leadership. Guess what we got after you guys doubled down? THE WORST WORLDWIDE ECONOMY OF ALL TIME! I might be exaggerating it might be number 2 but who knows - it's not over yet.
(yawn)
September 23, 2009 - 22:30 ET by Free Stinker(yawn)
You're making me sleepy
September 23, 2009 - 22:32 ET by Sergeant ROCKEOM
"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Roid Rage
September 23, 2009 - 22:32 ET by RESTLESS 1I'm impressed. Your stupidity truly knows no bounds.
"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest
So what's his beef?
September 23, 2009 - 08:25 ET by OldJoeIs Barack Obama the President or what???
And
September 23, 2009 - 08:34 ET by Red JeepOprah is one of the most popular figures on TV.
You people just don't get it!
September 23, 2009 - 08:48 ET by motherbeltWeren't we told over and over again, that none of that matters?
America is STILL a racist country!!!
It's like reparations: nothing is EVER enough!
True. Nothing is or ever
September 23, 2009 - 09:11 ET by black47211True. Nothing is or ever will be enough for these liberals. It will not end. They will not go away. They are a cancer to America, parasitical, and useless.
So unwilling to do their share. So unwilling to be Americans who have pride and a sense of duty, honor, and accountability. They smack of emotionally-driven weakness and limp-wristed rhetoric. Morally bankrupt and ideologically corrupt.
So tedious. So tiring. So draining.
http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
You're right, because
September 23, 2009 - 09:50 ET by Barry BondsYou're right, because reparations were paid out and they still complain. Yikes.
Exactly, Barry, exactly.
September 23, 2009 - 10:23 ET by black47211Exactly, Barry, exactly. Yikes, indeed.
http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
→ black4
September 23, 2009 - 10:31 ET by Cool ArrowBarry doesn't realize what that War on Poverty was all about.
"Barry doesn't realize what
September 23, 2009 - 14:45 ET by ckc1227"Barry doesn't realize what that War on Poverty was all about."
He also doesn't realize that most of the blacks in this country have no American slavery in their history.
Mister October
September 23, 2009 - 08:26 ET by ForbusYou sure this isn't Reggie Jackson....the Baseball Czar?
Forbus~~
September 23, 2009 - 08:41 ET by BKeyserWasn't Reggie's number 44? Creepy.
Fixed It.
September 23, 2009 - 08:27 ET by Red JeepThere are few things I think more frightening in the American mind than twenty something year old dark skinned black men.
Watch out 'Whitey'
September 23, 2009 - 09:01 ET by jdlybrandWe're in a tight spot now!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
it's a good irony, though
September 23, 2009 - 09:07 ET by RayRaythroughout the whole ABC "news" division there are plenty of liberal, reverse-bigoted, white males who were pining for Gibson's anchor spot.
But the current rule was simple: no (straight) white male allowed
the same rule was true for the Supreme Court replacement
even more irony: the same rule was true for the job of diversity czar that this black racist holds himself
This man has a sickness
September 23, 2009 - 09:12 ET by 4libertyWhere does Obama find these people? Thugs-are-us? This man shouldn't even be allowed at a university!
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." ~ Ronald Reagan
There's nothing more
September 23, 2009 - 09:13 ET by panola60There's nothing more difficult than this because we have really truly, good, black NBA players in important positions, and the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions," he said.
"And unless we are conscious of the need to have more white, hispanic and other players in those positions, we will not change the problem. But we're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else other than blacks can play basketball.
This guy
September 23, 2009 - 09:17 ET by jessieHThis guy is a racist, pure and simple. He should be investigated and fired.
Yep. There it is. I
September 23, 2009 - 09:26 ET by black47211Yep. There it is.
I hope Glenn Beck spearheads this one. He seems to be making headway in this kind of thing.
http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
People in glass houses.....
September 23, 2009 - 09:48 ET by Barry BondsPeople in glass houses.....
Sheesh!
September 23, 2009 - 09:50 ET by BlondeWe need a better class of troll, here. ©
I hope he fails, too.
Oh please. Glenn Beck has
September 23, 2009 - 09:53 ET by black47211Oh please, Barry Bonds. Glenn Beck has more than fessed-up to all of his past mistakes and no one has any dirt on him that he hasn't already given to us.
Try another Liberal Talking Point besides, "Ooooh, Glenn Beck is an alcoholic and was a bad person!" Bring your "A" game or kindly walk away.
http://www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com
Democrats live in GLASS CITIES.
September 23, 2009 - 13:10 ET by TailgunnerFor the nth time, the only two committed white racists in politics I know of, KKK "Exalted Cyclops' Sen Robert K Byrd and Grand Wizard, Knights of the Ku Klux Klan David Duke, were BOTH DEMOCRATS.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/20/will-liberal-mccarthyism-when-doubt-blame-it-racism#comment-1038019
(How do you create those short links where you just use one word?)
I'm not even exploring all the BLACK racists like Black Panther Bobby Rush in the DEMOCRAT Party.
DEMOCRATS are the party of RACISM.
(Mark Lloyd looks like he just took off his PURPLE SHIRT. )
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
→ Tailgunner
September 23, 2009 - 13:13 ET by Cool ArrowBobby Rush is so horsed-up he can't do much else than mumble. His Cocaine habit has produced an annoying cavernous echo in his nasal cavity.
We've all seen those symptoms before, though not often on the same scale. Maybe some of his enablers on the left should try to help him.
Re Bobby Rush
September 23, 2009 - 13:45 ET by slickwillie2001Is that what it is? I thought maybe he was a stroke victim. He's barely understandable.
Short links?
September 23, 2009 - 15:53 ET by RukusHighlight the word/words in your post. Click on the link icon below the text (looks like a piece of chain.) In the popup box type/paste the link location in the first box. In the second box click the pulldown and choose open link in a new window. In the third box type the word/words you want to display. Click insert. Ta-da!
Gary
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine
Think I got it now.
September 23, 2009 - 16:05 ET by TailgunnerLike this?
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
BAM!
September 23, 2009 - 16:28 ET by Rukus'Cept one thing: make sure you click the second box drop down and choose "Open link in a new window" Some browsers refresh the page when you open in the same window, and when you come back the *New comments are gone so ya don't know what are the new comments anymore. Other than that, perfect! : )
Gary
If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace. -- Tom Paine
People in glass houses....
September 23, 2009 - 13:25 ET by Cool ArrowGather no moss?
Before the dawn?
Try, try again?
post racial society, say what?
September 23, 2009 - 09:31 ET by east tennessee johnSo white folks have to "step down" qualifications notwithstanding. Affirmative action POTUS due to efforts of the fawning white guilt media breeds personnel decisions like this.
The Truth, Whole Truth and Nothing But.
September 23, 2009 - 09:47 ET by Barry Bonds"We have really truly good white people in important positions and the fact of the matter is that there are a limited number of those positions. And unless we are conscious of the need to have more people of color, gays, other people in those positions — we will not change the problem. We are in a position where you have — you have to say — who is going to step down so someone else can have power?"
Here is the entire quote without the innuendo.
Cue twilight zone theme....
September 23, 2009 - 09:52 ET by pahuberCue twilight zone theme....
How much longer is this farce of a presidency going to continue?
September 23, 2009 - 10:13 ET by R D Helm-Dave
Any force imposed by you
September 23, 2009 - 10:19 ET by Tom in NCAny force imposed by you will be met by an even greater and superior counterforce, so take your best shot a**hole!
Wow
September 23, 2009 - 10:26 ET by BondPlainBondThis kind of governance?
Obama is half white, so perhaps he should set the example...
September 23, 2009 - 10:34 ET by R D Helm...and step down himself, before he does any further damage to our country.
-Dave
I agree with Rush. It's time for Obama to resign.
mark Lloyd is
September 23, 2009 - 10:36 ET by larry on LIperfect fish bait for glen beck.
What Obama signed his name to
September 23, 2009 - 11:03 ET by Six String SpiffBlack Liberation Theology Doctrine:
"Black
theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the
goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white
people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of
black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community
... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates
in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love
as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to
destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal.
Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his
love."
It's funny
September 23, 2009 - 11:41 ET by realpatriotHow liberals always bring up how we need to move beyond race, skin color, and stop intolerance, stating we are all the same, equal opportunity need to move beyond race, then they are the first to point out their race color and differences between them and the people who disagree with them. Happens every-time they get backed into a corner. Interesting
This is about a very
September 23, 2009 - 12:02 ET by EdhenryThis is about a very dangerous proposition of govenrnment control of speech. Race is the trojan horse to make it happen (cant critisize me... have to make up for past sins... no equality in power which needs to be balanced)
Tell him Bull$#!+. List the 1000s of reasons why he is wrong, that race is irrelevant and end this nonsense. Then vote this administration out in 2012, and the rest of the misguided in 2010.
Zimbabwe is the future---
September 23, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Roscoe MendagoYeah, white people should just step down and allow those deserving people of color to take over, sure worked out swell in Zimbabwe. Imagine ACORN associates running America, they'll straighten things out, get this country back on track, my a$$.
Doesn't this Mark Lloyd look like he just came in from an oiled-up campfire dance...
This crowd of Marxists is gonna get us all killed!!!
Patriotism Redux
September 23, 2009 - 12:51 ET by rammingspeedRoscoe, this crowd of Marxists would get us killed if we wouldn't fight back. Trust me, the majority of Americans are throwing it down against this crap. It won't get physically violent. They'll step off the same way Van Jones did.
A Farm Animal Marching To The Slaughter
September 23, 2009 - 12:48 ET by rammingspeedAnother glob of worms from another progressive can is opened, and it ain't good for progressives. This will be one more thing the American public will react strongly against. This is class A Big Brother censorship. A blatant some are more equal than others pitch, ignored by the MSM. Wait 'til Obama tries to take talk radio away from law abiding, tax paying citizens in this illegal manner.
Mugabe in the FCC
September 23, 2009 - 13:15 ET by NBFMugabe in the FCC... anyone who has been paying attention to Obama shouldn't be suprised.
Equally unsurprising will be the DNC media silence.
And so the liberal whiny baby machine emerges...
September 23, 2009 - 13:39 ET by stage9I find it fascinating, this new definition of racism. I was dumbfounded when I was told years ago that black folks can't be racist because they are the minority. Only those in the majority can be racist. Maybe I'm just ignornant of the definition of "racist".
Racism - A belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human
races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving
the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule
others.
"We're in a position where you have to say who is going to step down so someone else can have power."
hmm...no...no...I got it right...
It seems it's ok to be a racist minority, but not a racist majority.
"If God is dead, somebody is going to have to take his place. It will
be megalomania or erotomania, the drive for power or the drive for
pleasure, the clenched fist or the phallus, Hitler or Hugh Hefner."
— Malcolm Muggeridge
The left is racist
September 23, 2009 - 14:09 ET by Blogger Guy00001He let it slip - that the left is really racist through and through and hates some people because of the shade of their skin.
So why?
September 23, 2009 - 14:21 ET by Dragonsbreathdoesn't he move to Venezuela if he likes it so much?
"1/20/2013 The end of a Error"
Let me sum up
September 23, 2009 - 16:16 ET by moderncommentaries83Basically, the good czar is saying that white people no longer deserve to have jobs. Am I wrong here?
I don't think so.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
This is Obama's PAYBACK 'czar'.
September 23, 2009 - 16:50 ET by TailgunnerIt stopped being about 'diversity' years ago.
Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.
Democratic Senator Robert K Byrd is a recruiter and leader in the KU KLUX KLAN-a white supremacist group. Where in the HELL do Dems get off lecturing ANYONE on racism?
Let me sum up
September 23, 2009 - 16:16 ET by moderncommentaries83Basically, the good czar is saying that white people no longer deserve to have jobs. Am I wrong here?
I don't think so.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
Now here's a racist
September 24, 2009 - 05:31 ET by Andrew H.Now here's a racist sombitch.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.