For PBS's Margaret Warner, Israel-Gaza Apparently IS Rocket Science

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For at least ten seconds there, it appeared Margaret Warner thought PBS stood for the Palestinian Broadcast Service.

On last night's NewsHour Ms. Warner, whilst interviewing Israel's Ambassador to the United States Sallai Meridor, posed one of the dumbest questions in the long, dumb history of broadcast journalism. 

So banal was her query that there was for nearly five seconds the most pregnant of pauses, broken finally by Ambassador Meridor's bemused and chagrined response.  Which Ms. Warner followed with another question of nearly equal asinine force. 

Ms. Warner was fairly addled throughout (transcript below the fold), but nothing else she said rose quite to the heights of foolishness as did this.  We have edited in after the exchange an earlier statement from Ambassador Meridor that we think pretty much sums it all up.

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MARGARET WARNER: And for that, we go to Israel's ambassador to the United States, Sallai Meridor.

Mr. Ambassador, welcome.

What do you have to say to what the Palestinian observer just called this, which was criminal, inhumane, and immoral, were his words?

SALLAI MERIDOR, ambassador to the United States, Israel: Well, I would just talk about the facts, not about propaganda, and the facts are that Hamas built a terror base in Gaza openly, broke a cease-fire that we had indirectly through Egypt, announced it. This is not something you have to be a rocket scientist to find. This was an open statement and opened a barrage of rockets and mortars on Israeli civilians.

And the situation is that more than 500,000 Israelis are under -- not daily -- hourly rocket fire and mortar fire. And Israel has to protect them.

And I would ask any decent human being to put himself in the position of those Israelis who with kids are wetting their beds and ask themselves, what would I do? What would I expect my government to do?

MARGARET WARNER: But you heard what that -- the gentleman just said about this was disproportionate response, that is that Israel has launched a massive, massive military strike. Is that necessary?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, that's absolutely necessary, and it's not assaulting by Israel. Israel was attacked by Gaza, by Gaza-controlled Hamas.

Our prime minister went on Arab media to call on the Gazans to stop Hamas, to make sure that they are not allowing them to fire against Israel from Gaza before we had to take action.

And what we are doing is to bring about a situation where Israelis and Palestinians can live together in calm and hopefully in peace.

MARGARET WARNER: So what will it take from Israel's point of view for you to stop this offensive? What do you have to see? I mean, did the rocket attacks have to stop completely?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Certainly.

MARGARET WARNER: Is that the test? How will you know when it's time to stop?

SALLAI MERIDOR: I'm not suggesting now what are tests or not. I'm just thinking about what would you, would I, any other person would expect as normal, minimal normal conditions of living. This is not to be under constant fire by your neighbors, and this is next door.

You know, America, rightly, is going all the way to Afghanistan in order to prevent an attack on America. For us, our next-door neighbors are attacking our children day in and day out. And we have to make every effort to damage their ability to attack us.

MARGARET WARNER: What I'm driving at here is, what is the way out now? How does this and when does this end?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, the way out could be very easy. If Hamas decided to stop firing and to stop building this terror base backed by Iran next to Israel's border, there would not be any need for Israel to take any military action.

If I may remind you, we left Gaza. I heard the term "Israeli occupation" and the like. There is no Israeli occupation, definitely not in Gaza. Israel left Gaza in 2005, as I hope many people still remember, left nobody in Gaza.

And the Palestinians, instead of making Gaza into a beginning of a state, made it a terror base, attacking Israeli civilians every day.

Israel is interested in calm, and Israel is interested in peace. There is nothing else that we are interested in. We don't have any political considerations; we don't have any grand regional aspirations.

MARGARET WARNER: Let me look ahead if I could. The U.N. secretary-general, Ban Ki-moon, is calling for an end to hostilities on both sides. Is Israel interested in a cease-fire at this point?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Israel is interested in calm, and Israel is interested in peace. There is nothing else that we are interested in. We don't have any political considerations; we don't have any grand regional aspirations.

All we want is calm and peace for our people and for our neighbors. And for that to happen, we need to have the rocket fire stop. And we need to make sure that Hamas is not building, with the support of Iran, a terror base, attacking our people continuously.

MARGARET WARNER: Now, there have been -- your government has said you're not targeting civilians. By the U.N.'s own count, more than 60 civilians are among the dead. Won't that number grow as long as this air offensive continues?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, we are very sad for every civilian casualty. We are making every effort to avoid that.

Unfortunately, Hamas is purposely operating from, firing from areas with civilians. We are making every effort possible to minimize the damage to civilians. We are only targeting Hamas terrorist facilities, warehouses, installations, headquarters, training places. And if they do it from places that are nearby civilians, we are making every effort to minimize the damage to civilians.

But this is the asymmetry here. We are attacking some thousands or maybe 20,000 terrorists in Gaza. They are attacking discriminately 500,000 Israeli civilians. Israeli civilians are under attack; only Israeli civilians are under attack.

We are trying to attack -- or, sorry, to respond and to damage the activity of terrorists, trying to minimize the collateral damage to civilians.

MARGARET WARNER: But are you saying then that you don't think -- you think Israel has done all it can? You don't think you have responsibility for these civilian deaths?

SALLAI MERIDOR: We think the sole responsibility for the civilians' death are with Hamas. They are controlling Gaza. They are operating from where civilians are living. They are continuing to fire rockets.

And we are making every effort to minimize the damage to civilians for which we care very much. We don't want a fire this way or the other way. We want the Palestinians to live next to Israel with peace; we want them to have dignity; we want them to have prosperity. The only thing we want is to let our people live peacefully.

MARGARET WARNER: Now, the Palestinians in Gaza say right now what they want is food and medicine for their hospitals. Do you think Israel has a responsibility to ensure that a lot of such supplies still get in?

SALLAI MERIDOR: We do that. We do that under fire...

MARGARET WARNER: They say not so.

SALLAI MERIDOR: They may say, but the facts are that, under fire -- and I think something that is hardly precedented and maybe hardly parallel, even today, where more than 70 rockets and mortars were fired from Gaza against Israel, where three Israelis were killed, including a woman going back from the gym, 39 trucks of such medical supplies went through the crossing into Gaza and ambulances went into Gaza.

And we continue to treat Palestinians from Gaza in Israeli hospitals, because we share the same values that I hope some day even Hamas will convert itself to share.

This is why it is so important that Hamas is not allowed to continue with this way of terror. This is terrible for Israel. But if, God forbid, Israel was not reacting, the Arab societies and leaderships were next in line.

MARGARET WARNER: Do you think that you can -- that Israel can achieve its objectives here without ground action of some sort?

SALLAI MERIDOR: We will take the actions that are needed to take, that every country would have taken under the similar conditions. So far, we have only taken air strikes, trying to minimize the damage to civilians. We will consider every option.

What we would love to see is that fire stops, that this terror base is not continued to grow. Then there would not be any need for Israeli defensive measures.

MARGARET WARNER: Let me ask you, finally, looking ahead, a couple last questions. There were protests throughout the Arab world today. Mahmoud Abbas also denounced -- the Palestinian president, that you've been trying to have peace negotiations with -- is there a danger that this action by Israel will simply rally moderate Arabs, perhaps under pressure from their own populations, to Hamas' cause, which they have not been particularly supportive of?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, I think that we share the same interest, that Hamas will not grow stronger, that terror will not prevail, that people who are interested in incitement and in destabilizing the region will not have the upper hand.

And this is why it is so important that Hamas is not allowed to continue with this way of terror. This is terrible for Israel. But if, God forbid, Israel was not reacting, the Arab societies and leaderships were next in line.

MARGARET WARNER: And, briefly, what do you think this does now for the prospects of President-elect Obama to be able to kick-start any kind of peace process?

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, you've heard -- I've heard with you before the statements that President-elect Obama made when he visited the area. We certainly hope that we will continue to work with him, as we worked with the current administration, to promote peace in the region.

There is nothing we want more. Israel is ready for, again, I think, some painful compromises, but people cannot even start to think how painful they are in order to reach peace, but peace cannot be built on giving in or giving up to terror. You have to fight terror on the one hand and work for peace on the other.

MARGARET WARNER: Israeli Ambassador Sallai Meridor, thank you so much.

SALLAI MERIDOR: Thank you.

—Seton Motley is Director of Communications for the Media Research Center and Contributing Editor for NewsBusters.org.


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PBS > = Public Schooling

PBS=Public financing of journalism. HAMAS may as well be fluffy little bunnies in this scenario.

 

 

 

If comunism is such a great idea, why didn't they put up a picture window instead of an Iron Curtain?

De-fund PBS.

De-fund PBS.

And to think our very own

And to think our very own government forces us, at gun point, to pay for this Putrid Bull Squeeze.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon.
Them that ain’t get out of the way.”

As always, the media refuse

As always, the media refuse to acknowledge facts even when hammered over the head repeatedly by them, in order to promote their idea that right is wrong and wrong is right.

Lee T. USN(ret)

This too shall pass.

I recognize your right to believe, without ridicule, that there is no God.  I do not recognize any right for you to ridicule my belief in God.

First there's Maddow...

Now this DASS *^%##%^#. Blinders on....unbelievable.... 

I wonder if that ditz

Will ever realise how badly she just embarrassed herself.
If it weren't for Matthews I wouldn't be able to look men in the eye after the way she exposed her colossal stupidity.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

"And, briefly, what do you

"And, briefly, what do you think this does now for the prospects of President-elect Obama to be able to kick-start any kind of peace process?"

Uh-oh. You Israeli's are going to make The One look bad here. Better stop... 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

What do you have to see? I

What do you have to see? I mean, did the rocket attacks have to stop completely?

This broad is dumb, thick as a brick.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Great minds...

"This broad is dumb, thick as a brick."

That's just what I was thinking.  I wonder how she would feel if, say, someone kept shooting at her house every day?  I mean, really, would she want it to stop completely, or would she settle with only being shot at once or twice a week?

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Got to step it up a bit

SALLAI MERIDOR: And the situation is that more than 500,000 Israelis are under -- not
daily -- hourly rocket fire and mortar fire. And Israel has to protect
them.

This lady is unbelievalbe

SALLAI MERIDOR: All we want is calm and peace for our people and for our neighbors. And
for that to happen, we need to have the rocket fire stop. And we need
to make sure that Hamas is not building, with the support of Iran, a
terror base, attacking our people continuously.

 MARGARET WARNER: What I'm driving at here is, what is the way out now? How does this and when does this end?

SALLAI MERIDOR:And the Palestinians, instead of making Gaza into a beginning of a state, made it a terror base, attacking Israeli civilians every day.

I mean it doesn't get much plainer then that. This has to be the very bottom of the the barrel, Right? They cant possably get any lower can they or any more stupid?

Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

THat was EXACTLY what I was

THat was EXACTLY what I was thinking.  Perhaps the number of 9mm rounds that perforate her house only slowed to 5 or ten a day....

Maybe then she would change her actions?

This broad is dumb, thick

This broad is dumb, thick as a brick.

I have actually seen heads of lettuce that are smarter than this woman.

___________________________________ 

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a Soldier. - My barber

Rocket science?

It appears that for Margaret Warner it is rocket surgery.

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, the

SALLAI MERIDOR: Well, the way out could be very easy. If Hamas decided to stop firing and to stop building this terror base backed by Iran next to Israel's border, there would not be any need for Israel to take any military action.

Bulls-Eye!

Iran backed indeed...

I am sick and tired of the msm including once a simpleton, always a simpleton Carlson not talking about any of this regarding Iran's involvement here!

I am also sick of our tax dollars being forced to fund stations like PBS, NPR and most of all the filthy, thieving UN...hey Margaret, all you leftist know you can count on the UN to go against Israel, they always do, always will.  

Carlson was bad enough on CNN all those years, she still hasn't learned a thing, still eats the pages.

O had better be ready for what is to come...although I know the msm will constantly cover for him, blame Bush and of course Israel...it is never-ending. 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Building a Base of Operations

You have hit the nut of the whole thing, BT.  Here it is, put another way:

Sallai Meridor:  "And the Palestinians, instead of making Gaza into a beginning of a state, made it a terror base, attacking Israeli civilians every day."(my emphasis)

Making it a base of operations has been their intent since the beginning, i.e. long before the Israelis left.  The Palestinians have a large diaspora community with the education and financial resources to turn the whole thing around quickly.  But that is not what their leaders want.  It goes back to the beginning of Islam:

The Legacy of Jihad in Historical Palestine (Part I)

 Violent jihad warfare on infidels is the norm, not the exception, in Islamic history. Once successful, jihad leads to the imposition of humiliating, degrading, violent, and expensive oppression under dhimmitude, the institutionalized imposition of lowly status upon those who refuse to abandon their faith and adopt Islam. Among the worst victims of jihad and dhimmitude have been the Jews and Christians who lived in historic Palestine...

The Great Jihad and the Muslim Conquest of Palestine

September 622 C.E. marks a defining event in Islam— the hijra. Muhammad and a coterie of followers (the Muhajirun), persecuted by fellow Banu Quraysh tribesmen who rejected Muhammad's authenticity as a divine messenger, fled from Mecca to Yathrib, later known as Al—Medina (Medina). The Muslim sources described Yathrib as having been a Jewish city founded by a Palestinian diaspora population which had survived the revolt against the Romans. Distinct from the nomadic Arab tribes, the Jews of the north Arabian peninsula were highly productive oasis farmers. These Jews were eventually joined by itinerant Arab tribes from southern Arabia who settled adjacent to them and transitioned to a sedentary existence. [13]

Following Muhammad's arrival, he re—ordered Medinan society, eventually imposing his authority on each tribe. The Jewish tribes were isolated, some were then expelled, and the remainder attacked and exterminated. Muhammad distributed among his followers as "booty" the vanquished Jews property—plantations, fields, and houses—and also used this "booty" to establish a well—equipped jihadist cavalry corps. [14] Muhammad's subsequent interactions with the Christians of northern Arabia followed a similar pattern, noted by Richard Bell. The "relationship with the Christians ended as that with the Jews (ended) — in war", because Islam as presented by Muhammad was a divine truth, and unless Christians accepted this formulation, which included Muhammad's authority, "conflict was inevitable, and there could have been no real peace while he [Muhammad] lived." [15]

Within two years of Muhammad's death, Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, launched the Great Jihad. The ensuing three decades witnessed Islamdom's most spectacular expansion, as Muslim armies subdued the entire Arabian peninsula, and conquered territories which had been in Greco—Roman possession since the reign of Alexander the Great. [16]

Gil, in his monumental analysis A History of Palestine, 634—1099, emphasizes the singular centrality that Palestine occupied in the mind of its pre—Islamic Jewish inhabitants, who referred to the land as 'al—Sham'. Indeed, as Gil observes, the sizable Jewish population in Palestine (who formed a majority of its inhabitants, when grouped with the Samaritans) at the dawn of the Arab Muslim conquest were, 'the direct descendants of the generations of Jews who had lived there since the days of Joshua bin Nun, in other words for some 2000 years...' [17] Jews and Christians speaking Aramaic inhabited the cities and the cultivated inner regions, devoid of any unique ties to the Bedouin of the desert hinterlands, who were regarded as bellicose and threatening, in the writings of both the Church Fathers, and in Talmudic sources. [18]

The following is a summary of the devastating consequences of the Arab Muslim conquest of Palestine during the fourth decade of the 7th century, directed by the first two Caliphs, Abu Bakr and Umar b. al—Khattab [notwithstanding Pervez Musharaff's hagiography of the latter, in a recent New York City speech].

The entire Gaza region up to Cesarea was sacked and devastated in the campaign of 634, which included the slaughter of four thousand Jewish, Christian, and Samaritan peasants. Villages in the Negev were also pillaged, and towns such as Jerusalem, Gaza, Jaffa, Cesarea, Nablus, and Beth Shean were isolated. In his sermon on the Day of the Epiphany 636, Sophronius, Patriarch of Jerusalem, bewailed the destruction of the churches and monasteries, the sacked towns and villages, and the fields laid waste by the invaders. Thousands of people perished in 639, victims of the famine and plague wrought by this wanton destruction.

The Muslim historian Baladhuri (d. 892 C.E.), maintained that 30,000 Samaritans and 20,000 Jews lived in Caesarea alone just prior to the Arab Muslim conquest; afterward, all evidence of them disappears. Archaeological data confirms the lasting devastation wrought by these initial jihad conquests, particularly the widespread destruction of synagogues and churches from the Byzantine era, whose remnants are still being unearthed. The total number of towns was reduced from fifty—eight to seventeen in the red sand hills and swamps of the western coastal plain (i.e., the Sharon).

Massive soil erosion from the Judaean mountains western slopes also occurred due to agricultural uprooting during this period. Finally, the papyri of Nessana were completely discontinued after the year 700, reflecting how the Negev also experienced the destruction of its agriculture, and the desertion of its villages.[19]

Dhimmitude in Palestine During the Initial Period of  Muslim Rule

Dramatic persecution, directed specifically at Christians, included executions for refusing to apostasize to Islam during the first two decades of the 8th century, under the reigns of Abd al— Malik, his son Sulayman, and Umar b. Abd al—Aziz. Georgian, Greek, Syriac, and Armenian sources report both prominent individual and group executions (for eg., sixty—three out of seventy Christian pilgrims from Iconium in Asia Minor were executed by the Arab governor of Caesarea, barring seven who apostasized to Islam, and sixty Christian pilgrims from Amorion were crucified in Jerusalem).

Under early Abbasid rule (approximately 750—755 C.E., perhaps during the reign [Abul Abbas Abdullah] al—Saffah) Greek sources report orders demanding the removal of crosses over Churches, bans on Church services and teaching of the scriptures, the eviction of monks from their monasteries, and excessive taxation. [20] Gil notes that in 772 C.E., when Caliph al—Mansur visited Jerusalem,

..he ordered a special mark should be stamped on the hands of the Christians and the Jews. Many Christians fled to Byzantium. [21]

Bat Y e' or elucidates the fiscal oppression inherent in eighth century Palestine which devastated the dhimmi Jewish and Christian peasantry:

Over—taxed and tortured by the tax collectors, the villagers fled into hiding or emigrated into towns. [22]

She quotes from a detailed chronicle of an eighth century monk, completed in 774:

The men scattered, they became wanderers everywhere; the fields were laid waste, the countryside pillaged; the people went from one land to another. [23]

The Greek chronicler Theophanes provides a contemporary description of the chaotic events which transpired after the death of the caliph Harun al—Rashid in 809 C.E. He describes Palestine as the scene of violence, rape, and murder, from which Christian monks fled to Cyprus and Constantinople. [24]

Perhaps the clearest outward manifestations of the inferiority and humiliation of the dhimmis were the prohibitions regarding their dress codes, and the demands that distinguishing signs be placed on the entrances of dhimmi houses. During the Abbasid caliphates of Harun al—Rashid (786—809) and al—Mutawwakil (847—861), Jews and Christians were required to wear yellow (as patches attached to their garments, or hats). Later, to differentiate further between Christians and Jews, the Christians were required to wear blue. In 850, consistent with Qur'anic verses associating them with Satan and Hell, al—Mutawwakil decreed that Jews and Christians attach wooden images of devils to the doors of their homes to distinguish them from the homes of Muslims. [25]

Muslim and non—Muslims sources establish that during the early 11th century period of al—Hakim's reign, religious assaults and hostility intensified, for both Jews and Christians. The destruction of the churches at the Holy Sepulchre [1009 C.E.] was followed by a large scale campaign of Church destructions (including the Church of the Resurrection in Jerusalem, and additional churches throughout the Fatimid kingdom), and other brutal acts of oppression against the dhimmi populations, such as forcible conversion to Islam, or expulsion.

The discriminatory edicts al—Hakim imposed upon the dhimmis beginning in August 1011 C.E., included orders to wear black turbans; a five pound, 18—inch cross (for Christians), or five pound block of wood (for Jews), around their necks; and distinguishing marks in the bathhouses. Ultimately al—Hakim decided that there were to be separate bathhouses for the dhimmis use. [26]
During the early through the mid 11th century, the Jews, in particular, continued to suffer frequently from both economic and physical oppression, according to Gil. [27]

Muslim Turcoman rule of Palestine for the nearly three decades just prior to the Crusades (1071— 1099 C.E.) was characterized by such unrelenting warfare and devastation, that an imminent "End of Days" atmosphere was engendered. [28] A contemporary poem by Solomon ha—Kohen b. Joseph, believed to be a descendant of the Geonim, an illustrious family of Palestinian Jews of priestly descent, speaks of destruction and ruin, the burning of harvests, the razing of plantations, the desecration of cemeteries, and acts of violence, slaughter, and plunder. [29]

And nothing has changed.  The mosques throw out a steady diet of Jew hating rhetoric and jihad, encouraging the faithful to continue until Israel is finally wiped from the earth- it does not matter what sect, or what leader- Ahmedinejad, Bin Laden, Hamas, Hezbollah, whatever.

On 10-13-08, I wrote the following

And, just so we understand the nature of what we are currently dealing with, rather than far off history:

Here is bin Laden himself explaining the "true" nature of the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims, such as Americans, AKA, "infidels":

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us - till you believe in Allah alone' [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility - that is, battle - ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [in which case, bin Laden later clarifies, they should dissemble (taqiyya) before the infidels by, say, insisting the conflict is about "foreign policy," nothing more]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! ... Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred - directed from the Muslim to the infidel - is the foundation of our religion."

 

In his attack against "moderate" Muslims, bin Laden rhetorically asks and answers the pivotal question:

"Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam: either willing submission; or payment of the jizya [tribute], through physical though not spiritual submission to the authority of Islam; or the sword - for it is not right to let him [an infidel] live."...

Nor is this worldview "peculiar" to bin Laden. Here's his Second, Ayman Zawahiri:

 

"Jihad in the path of Allah is greater than any individual or organization. It is a struggle between Truth and Falsehood, until Allah Almighty inherits the earth and those who live in it. Mullah Muhammad Omar and Sheikh Osama bin Laden-may Allah protect them from all evil-are merely two soldiers of Islam in the journey of Jihad, while the struggle between Truth and Falsehood transcends time."

Source:  Osama Bin Laden as Robin Hood?  (An interesting article strongly criticising ex-CIA agent Michael Scheur's view of Islam and Jihad)

So now we have an ass at PBS with either a total lack of understanding of what Israel is up against, or total sympathy with the Palestinian cause.  Probably a lot of the former, and a little of the latter just because she's a good lib.  Here is the real problem:

Bat Ye'or observed, that jihad remained,

...the main cause of the Arab—Israeli conflict.  Since Israelis are to be regarded, perforce, only as a religious community, their national characteristics — a geographical territory related to a past history, a system of legislation, a specific language and culture — are consequently denied.  The 'Arab' character of the Palestinian territory is inherent in the logic of jihad.  Having become fay territory by conquest (i.e. 'taken from an infidel people'), it must remain within the dar al—Islam.  The State of Israel, established on this fay territory, is consequently illegal. [56]

And she concluded,

...Israel represents the successful national liberation of a dhimmi civilization.  On a territory formerly Arabized by the jihad and the dhimma, a pre—Islamic language, culture, topographical geography, and national institutions have been restored to life.  This reversed the process of centuries in which the cultural, social and political structures of the indigenous population of Palestine were destroyed.  In 1974, Abu Iyad, second—in—command to Arafat in the Fatah hierarchy, announced:  "We intend to struggle so that our Palestinian homeland does not become a new Andalusia."  The comparison of Andalusia to Palestine was not fortuitous since both countries were Arabized, and then de—Arabized by a pre—Arabic culture. [57]

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Margaret. 
 

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

nofate... Wow...that is a

nofate...

Wow...that is a lot of great info to digest.

So much to say...but what stood out for me, along with other words was this...

Here is bin Laden himself explaining the "true" nature of the relationship between Muslims and non-Muslims, such as Americans, AKA, "infidels":

"As to the relationship between Muslims and infidels, this is summarized by the Most High's Word: ‘We renounce you. Enmity and hate shall forever reign between us - till you believe in Allah alone' [Koran 60:4]. So there is an enmity, evidenced by fierce hostility from the heart. And this fierce hostility - that is, battle - ceases only if the infidel submits to the authority of Islam, or if his blood is forbidden from being shed [i.e., a dhimmi], or if Muslims are at that point in time weak and incapable [in which case, bin Laden later clarifies, they should dissemble (taqiyya) before the infidels by, say, insisting the conflict is about "foreign policy," nothing more]. But if the hate at any time extinguishes from the heart, this is great apostasy! ... Such, then, is the basis and foundation of the relationship between the infidel and the Muslim. Battle, animosity, and hatred - directed from the Muslim to the infidel - is the foundation of our religion."

We are in a religious war and this will last along time nofate...most people don't even want to talk about it or even use those words.

Anyway, I just want to thank you so much for all of this great history, I never quit learning here thanks so much to people like you, this is a wealth of information.

 

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

War Without End

It is unfortunately true, BT, that the islamofascists are not going away any time soon.  And those that think 9/11 and the attacks on Israel are due to the excesses of Judeo-Christian cultures, are sadly, possibly fatally, mistaken.  Bin Laden and many others of them have told us so over and over again.

There is a wealth of information by Andrew Bostom regarding the historical and modern similarities in the practices of the islamofascists.  Just go to American Thinker and search on "Andrew Bostom".  His main point is, nothing has changed since the days of Mohammed in the goals and methods, nor in the viewpoint that Jews are to be subjugated.  As Bat Ye'or pointed out, the islamofascists are pissed since they can't seem to subjugate modern day Israel and slaughter a large number of them and make the rest dhimmis.  And they blame their inadequacies on us due to our support of Israel. 

"Battle, animosity, and hatred - directed from the Muslim to the infidel - is the foundation of our religion."  -Osama bin Laden

There has never been a "hijacking" of that religion.

"The future is not set.  There is no fate but what we make for ourselves."

michaelyon-online.com

She just doesnt get it

I guess we can all go to Margaret's house and as long as only one or two of us is throwing rocks she won't call the cops.

Note the vast difference

Note the vast difference between this interviewee's response to a truly "stunningly superficial" question and Zbigniew Brzezinski's treatment of Joe Scarborough.  The conservative maintains decorum and class (regardless of which side of the interviews we're talking about) and the leftie shovels pond scum and vapidity. 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

This is my first encounter

This is my first encounter with Margaret Warner, as I don't watch PBS. Is she always this antagonistic and ignorant?  Unfreakinbelievable! What did she want for an answer, is what I want to know. That it was o.k. for those nice Hamas to attack the Israelis, that because they are peace loving they would get over it? She is clinically insane. I agree, if you throw rocks at her on alternating days she probably wouldn't mind, because it wouldn't be ALL the time! I love how the libs defend PBS and NPR! They all like to say how intelligent the talk is on there. I guess I missed that day, no one told me.

Bad news for Caroline

After reading this insanity I am confident the media will now suggest Margaret Warner has the perfect intellectual capability to fill Hillary's soon to be vacant Senate seat. 

LOL acumen... Well, you

LOL acumen...

Well, you know, she is, you know, at least one step above, you know, Princess Caroline of Kennedy.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

A Moe Howard two finger eye poke followed by a ...

... roundhouse bonk on the head is the only REAL way to deal with these idiotic questions.  I would do it.

Jayke

that is so funny! HAHAHAHA!

How did this child get a gig on PBS? I couldn't bear to watch the video, the narrative was bad enough! HOW EMBARRASSING!

PBS Should Follow The NTY Down The Toilet

This is s***ball journalism from less than a moron. Go ahead and be a liberal, you little idiot, but do some homework and at least try to be professional. Also, back off when you're getting your a** kicked.

same playbook

"What I'm driving at here is, what is the way out now? How does this and when does this end?"

This is the beginning of the same line of investigative questions that was used to create the media's case in Iraq. The implications, soon to be reported as fact: that there is no way out of the war, no definitive victory, poorly planned, no exit strategy - you know a "Quagmire". It may be an old war but it is a new battle so try breaking in a new media playbook.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Margaret Needs Perspective!!!

Question for Ms. Warner: How many times could I drop my drawers and crap on your doorstep before you took action? And what would I have to do to get you to stop taking action?

It's pretty simple Margaret. Watch where you step!!!

Flying Monkey: Reactions

Flying Monkey:

Reactions to taking a crap on Warners doorstep would depend on which particular protected class you belonged to.

I propose it as an experiment:

1.)  We have a guy dressed as a homeless guy do it - I anticipate no response.

2.)  We have a guy dressed in a military uniform do it - I anticipate a very vocal and violent response.

3.)  We have a guy dressed in a Tye Dyed T-shirt and Anti-war buttons do it - I anticipate no response.

4.)  We have a guy dressed in a business suit do it - I anticpate a huge response, including an effort to sue the individual.

5.)  We have a randomly selected politically correct minority individual do it - I anticipate no response.

Regardless of the outcome, it means a huge amount of Fecal matter heaped on the subject.

 

You forgot animals... either

You forgot animals... either protected species or any other more-importan-than-human life forms.  No response (or regulations to protect the rights of the feces dumping creature)

This rather stupid woman, Margaret Warner, removes...

This rather stupid woman, Margaret Warner, removes all doubt better than just about anyone I've ever heard.

The revealing quote...

MARGARET WARNER: What I'm driving at here is, what is the way out now? How does this and when does this end?

Notice that Ms. Warner's concern is for when the hostilities end. No attempt or concern for addressing the root cause, just when will the fighting stop. I've noticed this from many on the left - no interest in victory or real solutions, just stop fighting. This was the motivator for the "Get Out of Iraq NOW" folks and for those who voiced support for the retreat from Vietnam. 

Fighting = bad therefore no fighting = good.

This simple equation appears to drive much of the foreign policy of the left. I guess that messy conflicts distract the Left from what they really want to do - run a directed economy...

jmt
http://www.jmichaelt.org

 

So if someone breaks into

So if someone breaks into my house with a knife, I shouldn't shoot him with my gun because that would be disporportionate response?

Let's see, Hamas would probably not have their families and kids killed if they a) left Israel alone, and b) maybe stop firing out of their residential neighborhoods and go out of military targets, but a) is a much better solution.

“You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ~ Winston Churchill

Yes Virginia...

She really is...  THAT stupid!