Media Very Selective As to When They Choose to Believe the NIE

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By Seton Motley | December 5, 2007 - 22:54 ET

Thomas Fingar, the Deputy Director of Analysis for the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), is the media rock star of the moment.

Why? For the just released NIE assessment he co-authored that proffers with "high confidence" that Iranian nuclear weapon development came to a halt in 2003.

This lands him myriad press plaudits because it affords them yet another opportunity to bash President George W. Bush.

However, those with any sort of political memory recall a July 11, 2007 Congressional appearance by the very same Thomas Fingar. Just these scant four months ago, he gave the House Armed Services Committee a very different "high confidence" perspective on Iran and their efforts to develop the bomb.

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Thomas Joscelyn at the Weekly Standard not only remembers, he cites.

From the Congressional record:

Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States' concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran's neighbors.

Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution.

We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons--despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.

Certainly contradicts his just released account, does it not? The account the media has been unquestioningly citing en masse.

They are more than happy to pummel the President without giving the merest of passing thoughts to the fact that it was this same Fingar, this same NIE, and their previous reports that contributed in large part to the development of Bush's perception of the Iranian nuclear program.

Add to this the Wall Street Journal tidbit that an "intelligence source" deems Fingar and his two co-authors "hyper-partisan anti-Bush officials", and the picture is complete.

Where is the MSM on this? This hardly requires in-depth journalism.

Then again, these are not in-depth journalists.

—Seton Motley is Director of Communications for the Media Research Center.

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As Dan Rather so perfectly displayed

The MSM are willing to believe anything that confirms their pre-conceived ideas or promotes their own ideology with no questions asked.


The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08. RenewAmerica.us

Some Rather Basic Questions To . . . .

The National Security Advisor; The Secretaries of State, Defense & Homeland Security; and Directors of All Intelligence Agencies: (1) Who, in your respective organizations, were the authors of the recent NIE; (2) What specifically, in unclassified terms, was this estimate based upon - that is what intelligence did they have to base it upon; (3) Did all of you read said NIE prior to it being given to the President; and (4) Do you agree with it's content?  Last, and indeed not the least, what were the rolls of those three ex-State Department official in preparing this report and why them? It's tiring seeing stuff like this come out, clearly upending administration thinking on critical security issues, and no oneaccepting ownership other than it's the collective opinion of sixteen intelligence agencies in our government. And now we're stuck with the MSM pretending this proves the President was totally off base on Iran. What a crock of crap!

This is the same rationale

This is the same rationale the MSM used for the war in Iraq. When things were not going well, and they thought Bush was wearing rose-colored glasses, they insisted "Listen to the generals!!" Then when General Petraeus gave a report that contradicted their hopes of failure, they decided that generals don't know anything after all.

It required the willing

It required the willing suspension of disbelief. 

  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

  There's actually an

  There's actually an upside to this NIE report because it frees Bush's hand to do as he wishes.  His inclination would be not to leave unfinished business at the end of his term but now he doesn't have to act.  He can leave the hard decision to the next president. 

  If the report is anywhere true it's probably because the Iranians are waiting for a dem in the Whitehouse.  They saw how the North Koreans got billions just for pretending to make a bomb.

The old NIE said one thing,

The old NIE said one thing, but now this new NIE comes out and says something different. How are we supposed to evaulate which is correct? That's one of the oldest questions in philosophy: how can you measure a statement for truth? The traditional method is to extract everything the statement implies, and see whether the implications make sense and hang together. In other words, if the statement is uncertain, follow the implications until you discover some contradiction.

So ...

If Iran isn't a threat, why are they still enriching uranium they don't need, and why don't they allow inspections? Those actions don't fit with a harmless Iran. If someone wants to convince me that Bush is wrong about the danger of Iran, fine, I'll be happy to listen. But at the same time, those same apologists will have to explain why Iran is still enriching uranium, and why won't they allow uninhibited inspections? I need an answer to those questions.

  • Hey journalists! You want to ask tough questions? Why don't we ask these experts who "assess" that Iran isn't a threat? Any journalist who asks these questions gets a huge boost of credibility, in my opinion.

Hey journalists! You want

Hey journalists! You want to ask tough questions? Why don't we ask
these experts who "assess" that Iran isn't a threat? Any journalist who
asks these questions gets a huge boost of credibility, in my opinion.
-KC Mulville

KC, they're not interested in "credibility." They're interested in making President Bush look like an idiot or a liar.

And I think MidAmerica (above) might have a point.

If Iran isn't a threat, why

If Iran isn't a threat, why are they still enriching uranium they don't need, and why don't they allow inspections? 

In hardened, underground bunkers. Yup, peaceful purposes, like the religion of peace. 

  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

Coincidence?

Hmmm, their development came to a halt in 2003? Strange, didn't something else happen in 2003? Maybe something that made then sit up and take notice they would be next? Wonder what that could have been....

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

It sounds like NB is now trying to discredit the NIE.

I guess rwers are convinced that NIE is only valid if it supports the war mongers. Otherwise, it must be smeared.....smeared.....and smeared......... Every rw position has proven to be completely wrong, but rwers refuse to reexamine why they keep making disastrous choices for the country. To a rw war profiteer, I guess JFK's famous saying should be modified to read,"ask not what your country can do for you, ask how much you can profit when your country is at war."

So which is...

Fingar? Do you base this on his "high confidence" that they are developing or his "high confidence" that they are not? Possible that leftists are convinced the estimate is only valid when it support their views.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

Pathetic that you are here

Pathetic that you are here pt at five a.m. for me...

Wait a minute..it's just pathetic that you are still here.

....From My Cold Dead Hand!

professor lwinger

Disastrous choices?  I think rwinger choices are the reason we haven't been attacked in 6 years.  Oh, wait, that must be a coincidence.

Rwinger choices have created a booming economy, low unemployment, and thousands of dead terrorists.

What great choices have you lwingers ever made????

 

You don't...

take much time to look at below the surface items, do you chuckles. Let's see....

HT ACE

July 11, 2007: Thomas Fingar, one of the main authors of the NIE, delivers this testimony to Congress:

“Iran and North Korea are the states of most concern to us. The United States’ concerns about Iran are shared by many nations, including many of Iran’s neighbors. Iran is continuing to pursue uranium enrichment and has shown more interest in protracting negotiations and working to delay and diminish the impact of UNSC sanctions than in reaching an acceptable diplomatic solution. We assess that Tehran is determined to develop nuclear weapons--despite its international obligations and international pressure. This is a grave concern to the other countries in the region whose security would be threatened should Iran acquire nuclear weapons.”

This reversal by the "intelligence" community was quite recent and Bush cannot be charged with "lying" for not precognitively glimpsing the future of their sudden changes in heart.

More importantly: This means the entire NIE is based on quite recent "intelligence" which I have to doubt has been vetted all that well.

Sketchy evidence. Recently obtained. Quickly vetted. And that leads to this overstated nonsense of "high confidence" of an Iranian nuclear freeze.

Who's the task manager for the NIE -- Franklin Foer....

Check out Hot Air for video of John Bolton ripping this guy to shreds.
http://hotair.com/ar...

Curveball?

Think on it chuckles...

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

   Hey, Prof T. (or

 

 Hey, Prof T. (or Father Baracus, or whatever-your-name-is-troll-)

Are countries like Iran, No. Korea, Sudan, Libya, Syria or Islamic fasco-terrorist groups "war-mongers" in your screwed-up world?

                    Gobshite extraordinaire.

Anyone who says they support the troops but not the mission is a liar. 

About face, Professor

Hey professor, this is the same intelligence community that asserted that Saddam had WMD. Are you arguing that they were incompetent then but they've nailed it this time?  

How do you square these key judgements with the testimony given by Fingar to the House Armed Services Committee? Was he wrong then, or is he wrong now? And how do you explain the discrepancy between this and the 2005 NIE?

Talk about accepting intelligence based on whether it coincides with your personal prejudices. Hypocrisy, thy name is ProfessorTruth.

The irony is that, if a Dem wins the whitehouse in '08, they will have no way to blame GWB for Iran's nuke arsenal. The partisans in the intelligence community have just screwed the next administration for the sake of embarrassing a POTUS with a year left in his second term.   

Before you go Supporting your Muslim brothers Professor...

The report, which you need to read before spouting drivel, stated they will have a weapon by 2009. 

Developing the weapon is easy, the hard part, being a teacher of science you should know, is enriching the Uranium.  Which they are still doing.

I learn a long time ago with my incounters with the UN, to trust nothing coming out of it, no matter who backs it.

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

Hey ProfessorT..........The quote/your quote

the Quote you gave isn't relevant to NIE, the Quote NB gave is from the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD.

As usual, PT isn't making much sense. 

But...BUT...he is quoting John Kennedy who relied on "Intelligence" enough to think the Soviet Union was putting Nukes in Cuba...and Kennedy sent out SHIPS to STOP the Russian shipments and (BUSH LIKE) almost started a WAR !! 

Thanks for the reminder PT, of a Great President almost sending us to War by using MILITARY STRENGTH and not Diplomacy. 

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

Let me get this right, Professor truth

You dident belive the first NIE that stated Iran was seeking and working on nukes, but you belive this one? Written by the same people? What, besides the content, has changed here? I see nothing here but political pandering by career state department bureaucrats. 

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I'll go one better

The content isn't even substantially different from 2005 according to John Bolton - only the conclusion is.

Now that's scary.

I hope it's not true

It's my understanding (and I haven't read the NIE summary, so I'm taking this at face value until I do) that the assessment doesn't even mention the 3,000 centrifuges that Ahmedinejad recently bragged about having.

The reason for the omission? They are part of a "civilian" nuclear program.

If this is true, then heads must roll in the intelligence community. The brazenness of it is alarming.

You mean like calling a

You mean like calling a chemical warfare manufacturing plant a "fertilizer factory"?  I suppose all those Kurds who died under Saddam's regime, just died of air pollution, they weren't gassed. 

If these people can spin that kind of information in the face of the obvious, then they also would believe the Iranians using children to clear minefields are martyrs. http://www.trans-int.com/news/archives/114-Are-500,000-Keys-to-Paradise-Enough-Germany-Confronts-Ahmadinejad.html  In the presence of such blatant evil only a fool or a coward would pretend Iran is nation of peace with no malevolent purposes.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

I wonder...

Is Irans "missing" general the source of the revised NIE? I smell a "Curveball" on this one....just saying.

"You're either part of the solution or part of the problem"

You Do Have To Wonder

When one of these damn things come out, you have to wonder whether we're better off not hearing abou it.  It seems to me, all they ever do is demonstrate how incredibly stupid we are as a country.  We employ way too many, self-centered morons in government, who spend countless hours talking to themselves about a myriad of vague theories absent of hard core facts, usually based on some far fetched notion that they have that they are truly adding valuable insight, all of whom have never been accountable for a single thing. This crap is worthless; will be forgotten in less than a few weeks; yet, will instigate countless columns pro and con, none of which will change a thing. Here's some facts: Iran is dangerous; they talk dangerous, they act dangerous, and they have difficulty with the truth. Sound familiar?  Think Iraq - same MO, same stupidity, same reckless rhetoric trying to create a sense of superiority where none may exist. If you're the President, what do you do? Very simple - don't trust them as far as you can throw them.  Don't fall into the MSM trap of searching for diplomatic answers. Keep the heat on the morons, every minute of evey day. So much for the NIE.