MSNBC Features 9/11 Truther to Mock 'Dangerous,' 'Paternalistic' Bill Cosby
MSNBC on Monday featured 9/11 truther and network analyst Toure to slam the "paternalistic" Bill Cosby for suggesting the Trayvon Martin shooting is more about guns than it is about race. Toure derided this "dangerous sentiment" as "not at all true" and implied that the popular comedian is dumb: "But in terms of nuanced political thinking, [Cosby] has not shown himself to be a big fan of that."
Toure used Cosby's recent comments as a jumping off point to scold the former sitcom star: "And he has quite often said things that put him into the category of, with friends like these, who needs enemies?" Specifically, Toure bashed Cosby for talking about "a lack of morality in the black community." News Nation host Tamron Hall was so taken aback, she sputtered, "But Bill Cosby is not anti-black. What are you saying?" [See video below. MP3 audio here.]
Toure huffed, "I'm saying that he has on several occasions said things that are extremely negative, paternalistic and rather misguided about the black community..."
Toure is a regular on MSNBC, appearing to give his wisdom and thoughts on issues of the day. However, he's also a 9/11 truther.
Past tweets include:
Van Jones was forced to resign partly bc questions the truth of 9/11 but that Pentagon attack is really fishy... [Link to tweet]
How could a plane crash into the Pentagon? And not appear on video cameras?? And leave little wreckage??? #Don'tbuyitfiremenow. [Link to tweet]
This fascinating video raises questions about the Pentagon attack: 757 or missle? http://bit.ly/12AOlN [Link to tweet]
See here for more on Toure. The question must be asked, again, why is MSNBC employing a 9/11 truther?
A transcript of the April 16 segment, which aired at 2:44pm EDT, follows:
Story Continues Below Ad ↓BILL COSBY: It's about the gun. It is about this gun. Guns in our country. I know that when you have a gun, you may not realize it, but you put on it your person and you mean to pull this and kill somebody. Because you have this power and you have this thing on you. It- it heightens what you're supposed to be looking for.
TAMRON HALL: Joining me to talk about this, MSNBC contributor Toure. I should point out that Bill Cosby says he once owned a gun but no longer does. He says there is a need to get guns off the streets and people should be taught to use every possible alternative before shooting someone, taking one's life. What's your take on it?
TOURE: Absolutely. I agree all that and I appreciate the brother probably has a different perspective than many of us because he lost his son to gun violence. So, we must be respectful to him, important person in the community, in America for a long time. Respectful of our elders. But this is a very dangerous sentiment and it's not at all true. Yes, it is a gun situation but it is absolutely a racial situation in that Trayvon Martin was clearly profiled as a criminal black man, as if those two things are synonymous in America by George Zimmerman. That's why he pulled his gun and used it on Trayvon. And when a person of Bill Cosby's stature comes out publicly and says it's not a racial issue, it's a gun issue, it gives fuel to all those who misunderstand the situation. It is not about race and I and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are making it about race when it's not. He's giving fuel to those people who say, "See, look. Even Bill Cosby agrees with us" and that's not correct.
HALL: Why can't Bill Cosby have his own opinion? Not all black people think the same.
TOURE: Surely he can have his own opinion. But to say that it's not-
HALL: But you said that it was dangerous.
TOURE: I think it is dangerous. He can have his own opinion and have a dangerous opinion. It not correct to say we can drain race out of the situation. It's just a person with a gun shooting another human being.
HALL: But that's his perspective.
TOURE: I'm not disagree with that and I'm allowing him to have his perspective. And his perspective is dangerous in saying that it's not about race is clearly incorrect. That we don't have a rash of people profiling innocent young white men walking down street, talking to their girlfriends on the phone and then attacking them and shooting them. That's not happening. That is happening black men.
HALL: I can't speak for Bill Cosby, but I can say, what if he looks at you and says you're dangerous because you have now said that George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin, which is to be determined in a court of law now that he's been arrested and charged. And according to prosecutors, they say he did profile Trayvon Martin, but this is all to be determined by a jury of his peers and we're going to watch this play out. So, Bill Cosby, he could say the same thing about you.
TOURE: We hear the profiling. So, that's not conjecture. He sees somebody in the distance who is doing nothing more than down the street on a cell phone. And he decides this person is on drugs. This person is a criminal. This person is threatening and to be feared.
HALL: Those are the charges.
TOURE: Well, that's what George Zimmerman said. So, that is profiling. There is- He is not going to see a white person. We don't have an epidemic of people seeing young white men and assuming they're criminals. We do have an epidemic of the world seeing black maleness as synonymous with criminality and that's not true.
HALL: Let me ask this, why then are some turning this into an adversarial thing with Bill Cosby, when, for example, the New Yorker points out that the United States has the highest rate of citizen gun ownership in the world. The second highest is Yemen. Why be contrarian with him and say wait a minute. There can be dual conversations here. Why does he have be to dangerous or wrong? Why can't we applaud that and applaud that? Let me finish. Wayne LaPierre, who is the executive vice president of NRA, did not mention Trayvon Martin by name but he is criticizing news organizations for what he says is singling out one killing and ignoring many other violent crimes that happen in the United States every day. Maybe Bill Cosby wants to highlight those without diminishing the serious and notable questions that we have not ignored regarding Trayvon Martin.
TOURE: Bill Cosby is an extraordinary American. He's extraordinarily talented. He's had an amazing effect on my life, on many lives. But in terms of nuanced political thinking, he has not shown himself to be a big fan of that. And he has quite often said things that put him into the category of, with friends like these, who needs enemies? I mean, like, he's repeatedly talked about a lack of morality in the black community, as if we don't teach our children morality, as if we want to go to prison, as if that's some badge of honor. That is not the way things are in the black community.
HALL: But Bill Cosby is not anti-black. What are you saying?
TOURE: I'm saying that he has on several occasions said things that are extremely negative, paternalistic and rather misguided about the black community, As if we want to go to prison. That's a badge of honor. That is a great mark of shame for many, many people. It is nothing that we want to do. When he talks about parents not teaching their children, black children morality. That is just simply not the case. I don't know what community he is talking about. And then we come to this situation where it's not about race, it is just about guns. It is about both. And surely this does not happen if this individual does not see a black person and pour stereotypes into him as if he is a criminal black man.
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TOURE: Absolutely. I agree all that and I appreciate the brother probably has a different perspective than many of us because he lost his son to gun violence. So, we must be respectful to him, important person in the community, in America for a long time. Respectful of our elders. But this is a very dangerous sentiment and it's not at all true. Yes, it is a gun situation but it is absolutely a racial situation in that Trayvon Martin was clearly profiled as a criminal black man, as if those two things are synonymous in America by George Zimmerman. That's why he pulled his gun and used it on Trayvon. And when a person of Bill Cosby's stature comes out publicly and says it's not a racial issue, it's a gun issue, it gives fuel to all those who misunderstand the situation. It is not about race and I and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are making it about race when it's not. He's giving fuel to those people who say, "See, look. Even Bill Cosby agrees with us" and that's not correct.









Comments
Truth hurts. . .
Submitted by rickbren on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 4:50pm.
. . . don't it, Toure?
Toure is right.
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:11pm.
Bill Cosby doesn't "do" nuanced political thinking.
The kind of "nuanced political thinking" Toure engages in is unfair to blacks, in that it sees them as forever victims of race and circumstance, always needing the "help" of "betters" like himself.
Sorry dude (or dudette)
Submitted by Buzzy on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 4:57pm.
In the gang banger, hip hop, saggy pants world, going to prison is a badge of honor. Toure lives in an isolated world away from the crime of the inter city so just how the hell would he know what is really going on in the black community. Maybe Toure should check for the facts in the Martin case himself before he shoots off his mouth. From the evidence so far it doesn't look like Zimmerman attacked Martin, all indications are Martin attacked Zimmerman. The real question is; was Zimmerman afraid for his life. Of course nobody on MSNBC has ever let facts stop them from their agenda.
Right, Toure, there's no such
Submitted by motherbelt on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:01pm.
Right, Toure, there's no such thing in the black community as accusing students who study and do well in school of "acting white."
Toure's hatred of white people
Submitted by MerlePearl on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:04pm.
It would be great to hear an interviewer ask this Toure fellow why he hates white people so much. No matter what is said he is going to say that it is always the white man's fault. So funny to hear him talk about "nuance" when every single time he speaks he is Johnny One Note on race. Very tiresome.
Is anyone surprised that MSNBC hires a truther? One has to be far left to have a regular spot there.
Let's just cut to Toure's envy and lack of education.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:09pm.
Bill Cosby earned a doctorate in education from the University of Massachussetts and incorporated principles of teaching in his production of "Fat Albert". He is also a huge proponent of Black education, striving for excellence and rejection of cultural laxities that do not promote opportunities and progress for his community. His politics are not conservative by most of our standards, but it is extremely difficult to disagree with a man who is dedicating much of his personal resources and time to the betterment of his community and thus to the United States in a larger sense. None of us would be meeting him at our local Republican, Libertarian or Conservative functions, but nonetheless he stands out in his community as an honorable man.
In contrast, Toure's career and education have been focused seemingly on the opposite. He dropped out of Emory University, Columbia University and has largely been a wastrel, hosting hip hop shows for popular media and having a mediocre writing career. Also, he is a victimization-cult liberal bigot who sees racism in everything from a tube of toothpaste to the Tea Party. He is essentially nothing but a person who is obsessed with keeping his 15 minutes of fame alive. It is hard to find any evidence that he has done anything for his community but whine, moan and complain that life didn't hand him talent the likes of which are reserved for Bill Cosby, Sidney Poitier and Louis Armstrong.
Toure, in case nobody ever told you this, you are way too old for the whole "Marcia! Marcia! Marcia!" Jan Brady envious hissy fit thing.
I agree
Submitted by CoolShades on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:43pm.
I agree. And Mr. Toure is the only special person of color to go on the record to bash the great and respected Bill Cosby. He must be the low man on the totem pole over there at MSNBC.
"....victimization-cult
Submitted by rockyracoon on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 6:40pm.
"....victimization-cult liberal bigot" describes a lot of folks on the left!!
Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.
The racist Neblett is a legend in his own mind.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:20pm.
And why doesn't he wear a dashiki?
Toure
Submitted by fivestring_assassin on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:22pm.
has demonstrated throughout this whole ordeal that he well could be one of the worlds leading racists
Even Tamron Hall is prepared to toss him under the bus
Soon Toure will be opening up for Calypso Louie Farrakhan
Toure
Submitted by fivestring_assassin on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:21pm.
has demonstrated throughout this whole ordeal that he well could be one of the worlds leading racists
Even Tamron Hall is prepared to toss him under the bus
Soon Toure will be opening up for Calypso Louie Farrakhan
Tamron Hall just doesn't get it.
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:38pm.
What Tamron Hall fails to understand, is that the true black experience has nothing to do with ethnicity or skin color. It's all about politics and culture.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
9/11 Truther vs Birther ??
Submitted by Gary Hall on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 5:55pm.
And, if Toure had been a "birther" vs a "truther," and held he same views about Cosby, is there any question as to the fact that he would not have been a guest on the show today?
(;~/ gary
Fruit
Submitted by bkeyser on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 6:35pm.
cake.
L
Submitted by Rukus on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 9:27pm.
OL!
"But in terms of nuanced
Submitted by Darks Shadow Show on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 7:15pm.
"But in terms of nuanced political thinking, [Cosby] has not shown himself to be a big fan of that."
So, to this Toure, framing literally everything through the narrow lens of racial
terminology IS "nuanced political thinking"? What a shallow moron.
Anyone remember the "pound cake" speech?
Submitted by CO2Maker on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 7:45pm.
So, he's got Toure's syndrome, involuntarily spouting off about public black figures who point to some other symptom or cause than white racism.
At the NAACP's celebration in 2004 commemorating the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education, Cosby gave a speech, now known as the "pound cake speech."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gh3_e3mDQ8
Toure is a pseudo
Submitted by shukov on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 7:46pm.
Toure is a pseudo intellectual doofus given to affectation. Poor guy makes a fool of himself every time he opens his mouth.
just askin..
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 7:59pm.
Go to any big city and ask what neighborhoods to avoid and what will the most likely common denominator be?
Gated communities?
Submitted by buttercup815 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 8:07pm.
Well you did ask.
DADT
Submitted by CO2Maker on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 9:05pm.
Don't ask, and don't tell
Someone recently posted a YouTube or Twitter or some other bit of information on neighborhoods to avoid in DC.
Well, it didn't take long for the usual advocates to figuratively torch his hair. And he lost his gig with a political group, IIRC.
Just remember: There are no stupid questions, but there are questions that should not be answered.
Toure
Submitted by djwolf12 on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 8:29pm.
Hey, isn't this the dude that said Herman Cain was "Minstrelsy"?
Yeah, it is. Chalk another one down for M.S.S.R. (M-BS-NBC) in th department of Extreme Hyperbolic vitriol that has no place in the public discourse.
"Cosby challenged poor blacks
Submitted by NC Cop on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 9:24pm.
"Cosby challenged poor blacks by charging, “The lower economic people are not holding up their end in this deal. These people are not parenting. They are buying things for kids—$500 for sneakers for what? And won’t spend $200 for ‘Hooked on Phonics.’” He ridiculed the poor English of the black ghetto: “They’re standing on the corner and they can’t speak English. I can’t even talk the way these people talk: ‘Why you ain’t,’ ‘Where you is.’ . . . And I blamed the kids until I heard the mother talk. And then I heard the father talk. . . . Everybody knows it’s important to speak English except these knuckleheads. . . . You can’t be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!” He suggested that African American criminals were being incarcerated not because of racism but because of crimes: “These are not political criminals. These are people going around stealing Coca-Cola. People getting shot in the back of the head over a piece of pound cake and then we run out and we are outraged, [saying] ‘The cops shouldn’t have shot him.’ What the hell was he doing with the pound cake in his hand?”
Gosh, I can see why he would hate Cosby. Pushing education, parenting and personal responsibility. The horror.......the horror....
Hit the Pentagon leaving little wreckage????
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 4:28am.
Interesting point, considering how large sections of the fuselages, almost 90% of three wings, a near pristine instrument panel, and a completely intact vertical stabilizer were recovered from the two commercial jet airliners which slammed into the WTC at approximately 500 mph on 9/11.
Even more amazingly, Mohammed Atta, the pilot of AA Flight 11, somehow survived the impact suffering only a bruised sternum and minor lacerations. He was treated at the scene and then flown directly to Gitmo where he was waterboarded and placed in solitary confinement where he remains to this day.
And that's the TRUTH!
Jer
I thought it was interesting
Submitted by BarnicleBill on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 8:17am.
I thought it was interesting that Mr. Cosby was wearing a "hoodie", but I'm sure he wasn't trying to put across a subliminal message.
Mr. Toure is a devote liberal
Submitted by John21 on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 9:19am.
Mr. Toure is a devote liberal Obamabot and does not like to hear the truth on the party line from the agenda. This is his way of thelling Caosby to get back on the plantation or we will not believe anything you say.
Cosby seems to speak his own mind (unique for a Democrat) and tells what he see s as the truth. There is a morality problem in the black community, the number of unwed mothers, children having childresn absentee fathers, lack of male leadership in the family. The lack of education in the community can not be blamed solely on the schools, the parent and homelife are part of it. The Gangster lifestyle the is shown by the media, entertainment and sports figures cause thos children to believe that is an acceptable way to live. These exist today and will become worse in time by that doesn't fit into Mr. Toure's agenda.
He must attack the speaker before the subject is changed from what he has been told by his handler (master) to keep in front of us to something that they can not control. The race pimps need Toure pushing that agenda and that the black community would be fine if it wasn't for all those nasty crackers out there.
Toure, you are a sellout, and belong up at the big house with your kind