Matthews Preposterously Claims Obama Added 'Only 13 People' to Federal Workforce [UPDATED: Matthews Re-Records Audio]
On Thursday's Hardball, Chris Matthews preposterously insisted that Barack Obama added "only 13 people" to the federal workforce in 2009 and that the total number of individuals working for the U.S. government (as of 2010) was 4,443.
[UPDATE, 8:55 PM EST: Two hours later, in the otherwise identical 7 PM EST re-play, MSNBC inserted a new graphic and a new audio overlay in which Matthews corrected his incompetence without noting any change from his first broadcast: Video below features both versions. In the 5 PM EST hour, Matthews claimed “the federal workforce totaled forty-four hundred and thirty people in 2009 when Obama took office. In 2010, a year later, the number increased to forty-four forty-three people – a difference of only thirteen people.” In the re-do, Matthews realized “the federal workforce totaled four million, four hundred and thirty thousand in 2009...”]
According to the Office of Personnel Management (the source Matthews cited), there were 4,430,000 federal employees by 2010 and the President increased the numbers by 13,000, not 13.
It's bizarre that Matthews would credulously repeat such obviously wrong information. After making his grossly incorrect statement, the liberal anchor lectured, "I know it's always great rhetoric to say the government is ballooning, exploding with people. The government is getting bigger and bigger to this leviathan. And it's not." Except, it is.
Audio, MP3 clip which matches the above video with excerpts from the 5 and 7 PM EST editions of Hardball.
It's unclear whether the OPM's numbers come from the start of 2009 or the end, after stimulus. A fairer comparison would be from 2008, the end of Bush's term. Between 2008 and 2010, the federal workforce (total, including military) expanded by 237,000.
To suggest that the government isn't "ballooning" or "getting bigger" is absurd. Fiscal spending in 2008 was just under $3 trillion. It was $3.7 trillion by 2010. That's an increase of more than 23 percent.
Shouldn't have Matthews (or one of his producers) realized what he was saying? Will MSNBC correct?
Matthews during the 5 PM EST live program:
“Well, here’s the numbers, by the way, about the size of government. According to the U.S. Office of Personnel, the federal workforce totaled forty-four hundred and thirty people in 2009 when Obama took office. In 2010, a year later, the number increased to forty-four forty-three people – a difference of only thirteen people.”
Matthews, in a new audio track for the otherwise unchanged 7 PM EST feed:
“By the way, here are the numbers. According to the U.S. Office of Personnel, the federal workforce totaled four million, four hundred and thirty thousand in 2009 when Obama took office. And in 2010 that number essentially stayed the same: just over four million, four hundred and forty thousand.”
At 5 PM, the on-screen graphic listed 2009 federal employees at “4,430" and 2010 at “4,443.” Two hours later, the on-screen graphic was updated to “4.43 MILLION” and “4.44 MILLION.”
A transcript of the January 12 5 PM EST segment can be found below:
5:20
CHRIS MATTHEWS: But here he [Romney] is directing his guns at Washington.
MITT ROMNEY: This president puts his faith in government. We put our faith in the American people. This President is making the federal government bigger, burdensome and bloated. I will make the federal government simpler, smaller, and smarter. He raised- He raised the national debt. I will cut cap and balance the federal budget. This President- This President has enacted job-killing regulations. I will eliminate them.
MATTHEWS: Well, here's the numbers, by the way, about the size of government. According to the U.S. Office of Personnel, the federal workforce totaled 4,430 people in 2009 when Obama took office. In 2010, a year later, the number increased to 4,443, a difference of only 13 people. And local government during that time has gotten smaller dramatically. In 2009, it was 14.9 million people were working for state and local governments.
But, the number dropped to 14.7 in 2010, according to the Census Bureau. So, you know, John Heilemann, I know it's always great rhetoric to say the government is ballooning, exploding with people. The government is getting bigger and bigger to this leviathan. And it's not. And if anything, there's been the reality of the economic reports to come out every first Friday of every month, which are government jobs have been depleted.
They are shrinking. Everybody who lives in places like Scranton knows the pressure on mayors. And Philadelphia, a place I'm familiar with, you're always letting people go. What is- How can they keep selling the idea we have this gigantic growth of government when we also hear daily reports of lost jobs in government?
JOHN HEILEMANN (New York Magazine): Well, Chris, what I think Mitt Romney and others who believe that the federal's deficit's growth is a huge problem for the American economy and long-term prosperity, they will focus on the growth of government in the sense of the monetary, the fiscal growth of government. The size of the deficit. The size of debt. That's what he's going to hit on rather than the specific numbers. I think where he also-
MATTHEWS: But that's a result of the aging population and unemployment. You know that. It's not because they create new ideas to spend money. It's more people turn 65 every day than the day before. More people are getting sicker and using health care because they've understood what they can get from doctor's and hospital care- are using it more than ever. Those and more people are unemployed than ever before and that's why unemployment benefits and all kinds of benefits are going up.
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Matthews during the 5 PM EST live program:
“By the way, here are the numbers. According to the U.S. Office of Personnel, the federal workforce totaled four million, four hundred and thirty thousand in 2009 when Obama took office. And in 2010 that number essentially stayed the same: just over four million, four hundred and forty thousand.”
CHRIS MATTHEWS: But here he [Romney] is directing his guns at Washington.









Comments
Genius
Submitted by Schofield Kid on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 7:54pm.
Amazing, I think even my 9 y.o. niece could comprehend that there would be significantly more than 4,400 federal employees! There would be way more than that in DC alone. I wish that were the case other than the military though.
They plan to add
Submitted by Boudin on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:01pm.
over 15x that, just at the IRS.
Boudin!
Submitted by almostacowboy on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 1:07am.
Stop stealin' my thunder! (The IRS was my first thought, too!)
:-)
The Matthews Moment 2012
Submitted by Galvanic on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:24pm.
This is worth remembering as this amateur continues to provide us with insight into election politcs throughout 2012.
How is it that a self-proclaimed veteran political analyst who doesn't catch such a ridiculous error on that employment table -- compounded when he did the math and declared the Federal increase was only 13 people -- can find hidden meanings in conservative quotes and agenda?
The short answer is (of course): He can't.
This pairs up well with his 'thrill up my leg" statement.
Tingles: "I was only talking about Czars."
Submitted by SickofLibs on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 7:58pm.
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GMTA!
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:56pm.
My thought exactly.
Drunk again...
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Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:05pm.
;-)
My rods!! My cones!! How the
Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:58pm.
My rods!! My cones!!
How the H am I supposed to sleep tonight????
How does he stay on the air?
Submitted by wingnut55 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:04pm.
Just how stupid is his audience? I don't believe even the audience of Bill Maher would accept those figures, and they are pretty gullible. All I can say is what a duffus. I agree with Genius that even a 9 year old would know that is false.
Apparently, the
Submitted by bkeyser on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:07pm.
(numbers in thousands) directly above the chart escaped whichever idiot Hardball producer did this research.
Plus, anyone whose ever read
Submitted by Sockpuppet Politic on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:20pm.
Plus, anyone whose ever read any report having to do with business, employment, economics, etc. knows to expect numbers in thousands anyway as standard practice. Not surprised that Tingles does not have such experience.
What's a few dropped decimal points, anyways?
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:45pm.
What's a few dropped decimal points, anyways? I mean, really, if we dropped three decimal points off Chrissy's paycheck, would he even notice?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
It would be nice to see the whole video
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:16pm.
Did the two guests fall for this nonsense that the federal government only has 4,443 employees?
I can understand how a talking common tater, (better known as a spud), can misread something on a teleprompter as the text goes by. But to do a whole segment based on how the federal government only has 4,443 employees is absolutely amazing.
I would hate to be the producer who put together this story. On second thought, getting fired from MBSNBC and Chris Matthew's show may just be the luckiest thing to ever happen to this guy. Could turn his life around.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
You know the answer
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:13pm.
They don't listen, just wait their turn to blab.
HJay, chrissy, you idiot...
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:19pm.
Hay, Chrissy, those numbers are in the thousands. In 2009, the executive branch had over 2,774 THOUSAND employes, not including military members. That's over two MILLION, seven hundred, and seventy four thousand (2,774,000) employees in the executive branch alone! Total federal employes added up to over four million, four hundred, and thirty thousand (4,430,000) employees. That's not a balloon, that's a gas giant!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Thanks for clearing that up,
Submitted by killa37 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:25pm.
Thanks for clearing that up, Cobra...............when I read this, I couldn't believe that ANY of these numbers made any sense - and you'd think that a guy like the Leghumper - who works and lives in the heart of the beast - would know better than to think there were only 4-odd thousand government employees!!! Hell, he sees more than that from his damn window!!!
I guess the methedrine-laced and ritilin-dosed brain is having a better effect on his spittle and saliva than on his IQ.
What were we expecting from Chris?
Submitted by Thalpy on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:37pm.
We should expect exactly what we usually get from this blithering idiot-nothing.
Don't
Submitted by grammajane on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:38pm.
anybody hold your breath for a correction and the really sad thing is, that his 2 viewers believe the BS he spews nightly. Just proves more and more how dis-honest msdnc really is and hopefully, someday they will be confronted or better yet, booted.
On reflection...
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:52pm.
On reflection, I think we should give Chrissy a break. I mean, he was only off by a factor of a thousand!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Just when you think Prissy Tingles couldn't get any stoopider
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 8:59pm.
He does.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
teleprompter
Submitted by Tjexcite on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:10pm.
Teleprompter tells no lies. It was on the teleprompter so it must be true.
I think Chrissie's confused...The 13 he's thinking of...
Submitted by PrairieSky on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 9:29pm.
isn't the number of fed jobs added to the workforce in '09...It was the number of his regular viewers.
"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction...It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them (our children) to do the same." ~President Ronald Reagan
I can see why he didn't
Submitted by HelloDare on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:42pm.
I can see why he didn't bother mentioning his earlier mistake. It's not like MSNBC has Fox numbers. Nobody was watching. Matthews is that tree falling in the middle of the forest.
Matthews was crunching
Submitted by HelloDare on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 10:45pm.
Matthews was crunching numbers with a computer he got from Al Gore.
Hey Crissy
Submitted by KornKing on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:14pm.
It was my understanding therre would be no math....
From the Girly Man himself
Submitted by Redrowan2000 on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:41pm.
Chrissy who mercilessly and with personal vicious attacks pounced on Palin and others for misspeaking on issues makes a memorable one here and he doesn't have the guts or the class to admit a mistake when it's made. A thorough hypocrite who also is proving to be one dumb______er. Chris get the most out of that tingle because it's going away in November.
"Don't let the bastards grind you down."
Four thousand, four million, whatever ...
Submitted by ombdz on Thu, 01/12/2012 - 11:57pm.
The number of federal employees added under Obama follows the same pattern as the debt, deficit, spending, etc. Just another illustration of that new Economic phenomenon, the Obama Curve ... http://bit.ly/qVdDUt
Get a rope...
Submitted by poseA on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:08am.
Get a rope...
Anyone with a room
Submitted by robert108 on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:11am.
Anyone with a room temperature IQ knows that obama has added more than 13 federal employees; as a liberal, Matthews will tell any lie to serve the Dem Party. It's their version of taqiyya.
This tells you that for all
Submitted by Van Halen on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:49am.
This tells you that for all the bitching we do about the stupidity of the Republicans, the Democrats' talking points are still archaic. They actually think people:
1) Believe this stuff still.
2) Are even listening when a HUGE majority are sitting at their kitchen tables broke, unemployed, or with family members/friends on the battlefield.
Hypocrite of the Year. This
Submitted by Kevpot on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 12:58am.
Hypocrite of the Year. This intellectual midget can't wait to throw bombs at anybody else who misspeaks. Then he attempts a coverup of his own massive stupidity. What a self righteous prick.
True. He beat the Michele
Submitted by Ken Shepherd on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 10:59am.
True. He beat the Michele Bachmann Concord gaffe like a dead horse.
Obama added 13 federal jobs...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 1:05am.
...per minute last year alone.
And they wonder why no one
Submitted by pilgrim4jc on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 2:11am.
And they wonder why no one watches his show?
Roughly speaking
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 7:36am.
Just a guess here: 4,443,000 Federal employees + 14,770,000 State employees = 19,213,000 total, average salary and benefits package $100,000 each.
At an average $75,000 per year salary, each private sector worker pays about $6,000 in taxes to support those government workers.
So how many private sector jobs does it take to pay all those government workers?
I come up with over 325,000,000 private sector jobs needed to support all those government workers.
Just a rough guess, as I said.
Talking about numbers ...
Submitted by Par for the Course on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 8:16am.
That just shows...
Submitted by c5then on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 9:04am.
The level of general intelligence and professionalism (or lack there of) at MSNBC.
Government statistics released by almost any agency are almost always "in thousands" according to the column headings. Any moron knows that. Plus as others have noted, no person with even a modicum of common sense whould have thought that the Federal Government employed only 4,430 people!
This is what happens when ideology trumps everything in what you do. Why didn't any of the many people who were involved in that segment being broadcast accross the nation just simply pay attention to what was being claimed, and say "hold on there, this isn't right"? Because it met their ideological need to support Obama and attack his critics no matter what.
And then there is Chris himself who reads whatever rolls across that teleprompter regardles. Apparently they don't even reherse the shows anymore or proof read the copy. They just stick him out there and he starts reading.
Unless of course the 5pm EST show is realy just a dress rehersal for the 7pm EST show...
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
he sure is the male version of MIKA
Submitted by D'saredumbpeople on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 9:20am.
I guess he's related to MIKA and DEBBIE DOWNER what a tragic DNA for the family.
The main reason...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 2:03pm.
...why first cousins shouldn't marry...
Y'All just need...
Submitted by loxmyth on Fri, 01/13/2012 - 11:29am.
...to use a bit of liberal logic. His original number of 4430 was likely right, or possibly even inflated a bit, if looked at their way. Let's look at it a bit, shall we? The number quoted did not include military. The President is in charge of the executive branch. POTUS is also commander and chief of the military. Ergo, the executive branch is military! So, nobody to count there. Then there is the legislative branch...congress. Hmm, only congress can officially declare war. Ergo, congress is part of the military! So, nobody there to count. Who is left...the courts. Well, they get to decide if the other two branches are being legal and constitutional. And since the other two are military, and everyone knows only military courts have jurisdiction over the military, the courts must me military too!
So, just where do these 4400 people work in the government that is not military?