Networks Trumpet News of 'Christian' Killer, But Balked Over Labeling Muslim Violence
The three major networks trumpeted the news this weekend that the man behind a mass shooting spree in Norway is also a Christian, highlighting the fact in eight different programs from Saturday through Monday.
The July 25 New York Times used page one to declare, "As Horrors Emerge, Norway Charges Christian Extremist." Yet, these same journalistic outlets were far more reticent to identify the religion of past Islamic killers.
On Saturday's Good morning America, Miguel Marquez trumpeted, "Police have identified the shooter as a 32-year-old Norwegian and Christian fundamentalist." He made sure to note Anders Breivik's "right-wing" and "anti-Muslim" views.
On Saturday's World News, Pierre Thomas informed, "His ideology? Religious conservative." A screen shot of Breivik's Facebook page read "Christian." Martin Fletcher on Saturday's Today freely related that the website illuminated the fact that "he's conservative...he's Christian."
Breivik has been charged with going on a shooting rampage in Oslo, Norway. The death toll is currently in the mid-70s.
There are a number of examples, however, where journalists weren't quite so interested in a killer's religion.
In June of 2011, when Muslim Yonathan Melaku was caught in Arlington Cemetery with suspicious material and a notebook praising the Taliban, the networks him simply as "the suspect," "a 22-year old Ethiopian American” and a “lone wolf.”
On November 05, 2009, CBS' Evening News and NBC's Nightly News both failed to identify Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan as a member of Islam.
The morning shows on November 6 did note Hasan's faith, but on GMA, then-host Diane Sawyer worried, "We heard Martha Raddatz say last night that the wife of a soldier said ‘I wish his name had been Smith,’ so no one would have a reflexive question about [a religious motive]."
This is an often repeated theme in the wake of extremist Islamic violence. Appearing on the May 04, 2010 Stephanie Miller radio show to talk about the Times Square bombing, MSNBC anchor Contessa Brewer fretted, "I get frustrated...There was part of me that was hoping this was not going to be anybody with ties to any kind of Islamic country."
Thus far, network hosts have not worried about how Breivik's Christianity could negatively impact members of that religion.
The networks, on June 2, 2009, spiked the information that it was a Muslim convert who shot to Army privates outside a Little Rock Arkansas recruiting office.
In total, Breivik's Christianity was mentioned on Saturday's Good Morning America and World News, as well as the Saturday, Sunday and Monday editions of Today. It was also highlighted on Saturday's Nightly News and that day's Early Show on CBS, as well as Monday's episode.
A sampling of some of the Christian labeling, which aired from Saturday, July 23 through Monday July 25, can be found below:
GMA
07/23/11
7:04
MIGUEL MARZUEZ: Police have identified the shooter as a 32-year-old Norwegian and Christian fundamentalist. State television has identified him as Anders Behring Breivik. Online, he expressed right-wing and anti-Muslim views. Initially, law enforcement worldwide suspected Islamic terrorists of carrying out this attack.
World News
07/23/11
PIERRE THOMAS: His ideology? Religious conservative. [onscreen shot of his Facebook profile reading "Christian."]
Early Show
07/25/11
CHRIS WRAGGE (on-camera): This morning, the man who admits to killing 93 people in those attacks, saying he wanted to start a revolution to defend traditional Christian values, is in court behind closed doors.
Jeff Glor is in Oslo, Norway's capital, with the very latest.
GLOR: Anders Behring Breivik was looking for another chance to spread his radical views around the world today. His lawyer says he wanted today's hearing in Oslo televised live. But the court said no, that it would be a closed hearing.
GLOR (voice-over): In Norway's capital, at midday, a poignant moment of silence: the country's leaders lined together, Norwegians watching and processing, as chilling new information from Anders Behring Breivik emerges. Breivik's manifesto, lifted in part from writings of the Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, says he began planning his twin terror attacks all the way back in 2002- his actions spurred by a deep hatred of immigrants and Muslim extremism. A video he made called for a European revolution, a revival of a white Christian land.
Today
07/23/11
MARTIN FLETCHER: He's Norwegian. He wrote on his own facebook page. He's conservative, that he's Christian.
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A white conservative
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:39pm.
A white conservative Christian mass-murderer......................perfect!!!
The MSM sighs with relief
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:51pm.
They are gleeful over the fact that the killer is (a) not a Muslim and (b) a white Christian male.
The comparisons to McVeigh will be made frequently, but it appears that McVeigh and this Norwegian had different motives.
It's not even correct!
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:59pm.
They are identifying him as a Christian and he's not even one.
-Jon
And you're surprised by
Submitted by killa37 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:26pm.
And you're surprised by this??? Remember how the MSM goes out of their way to NOT say that an Islamic extremist or terrorist or murderer is a Moooooooooooooooooooooslem????
MMMMM Somethings rotten...
Submitted by OldJarhead77 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:42pm.
In Denmark..... I mean Norway! Maybe believing in God in Norway makes you a Christian Extremist, But I haven't seen any evidence that he even BELIEVED!
Yeah, ' cause Muslims NEVER
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:54pm.
Yeah, ' cause Muslims NEVER blow people up or chop their heads off in the name of Allah. The left-wing media keep showing their true colors.
Re: He obviously is no Christian
Submitted by Will Antonin on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:55pm.
Re: The "Christianity" of the Norway murderer, there is some essential reading over at _Verum Serum_. Check it out:
http://www.verumserum.com/?p=27607
It's worth sharing with whatever blogs you frequent.
Predictable
Submitted by Truestar on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:07pm.
Shining white light bias. The MSM is more than ever an enemy of not just Christians, but anyone who believes there should be some modicum of fairness and balance in journalism. There's absolutely no defense for this. My god, you'd think people in the MSM are all Christian hating Muslims. How else to explain such outrageous and obvious bias???
I've already noticed that
Submitted by tcm14 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:13pm.
I've already noticed that lefties are gleeful over this tragedy. They've been waiting for something like this ever since OKC. Even President Obama said we need to fight "this kind of terror" in his first statement. He wouldn't even call it terrorism when it was a Muslim. In that case it was a "man-caused disaster".
What else is new?
Submitted by Herbster on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:23pm.
So.........what else is new? No surprise here. White, Norwegian, Christian (Alleged) PERFECT! Excellent cover to push the islamic agenda.....let's get the proper words out into the media......Islamaphobia, hysteria regarding the religion of peace, bigotry, hatred, etc. Watch Mr. Bloomberg and his ilk use this event to push for the ground zero (Victory) mosque. Is Bloomberg so obtuse that he doesn't realize these people HATE him and would slit his throat at the first opportunity?
Slowly but surely is the motto of islam. Look at (The late, great) country of Englend. The most popular boy's name there is now mohammad. England - and the western world - will be defeated by demographics. Just check reproductive figures of muslims compared to to the west. Islam's goals are well spelled out for those who care to read history. Unfortunately, more people are interested in mothers who murder their child, the overdose death of a druggie celebrity in England, who will win American Idol and getting their "News" from Mr. Stewart and People Magazine.
Pray for our nation!
Viking Terrorism
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 3:26pm.
This guy has said that he is not a religious man.
I thought
Submitted by dreamsincolor on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:28pm.
Jesus was crucified for preaching love, tolerance and decency in our lives.
I must need to re-read the Holy text, because I missed the part about slaughtering innocents.
__
Why must the liberal media associate hatred with the Word of God?
What's next, Christianity = outlaws?
I heard earlier that someone is trying to pin this on Glenn Beck
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:29pm.
Next it will be GWB.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Just curious
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:42pm.
I have facebook but don't really use it.I did see this.Maybe bogus but if someone knows something about facebook they might check it out.
http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/anders-behring-breivik-facebook-prof...
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/who-added-christ...
My suspicions
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 2:03pm.
The more I hear about this, the more suspicious I get. Like it mentions in the Atlas Shrugs link, why did a jihadist group take credit before retracting? I'm even even suspicious of anything from the media regarding anything "said" by this guy and the idea that he's anti-Islam seems to be falling apart in my opinion.
Unless we see without question that he really is anti-Islam, as in he says it himself in full view of the cameras, I suggest we don't trust what the authorities say about it other than the death toll. If he was really anti-Islam, this would not have happened, not this way.
This whole thing is stinking from the get-go.
-Jon
jon
Submitted by well99 on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 2:10pm.
Good point about the Jihadist group.Why would they do that?
Waiting for the Cheney link too.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:39pm.
It will be one of the usual suspects (Maher, Garofalo, et al) who will go on a propaganda bender with this.
Worse still will be the
Submitted by uhohshortsonthe... on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 7:49am.
Worse still will be the smarmy and sarcastic way they will joke about this, making light of the tragedy while rubbing conservatives and Christians' noses in it. One of them or their equally untalented prodigees will of course mention the violence of the Crusades as an example of Christians waging war on Islam (while getting the facts completely wrong in the process).
Cowards
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 1:49pm.
These twits are so afraid of offending Muslims that they tremble.
Man Bites Dog Is News
Submitted by Avitar on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 2:39pm.
When a white Darwinist goes on a killing spree that is news because it does not happen every year but only about once a decade. Crazy Christian killers are even rarer. I suppose if Christians are on decline in Norway then Norway may return to its pagan roots. That was the Vikings that killed and pillaged their way across Europe.
If the Muslims go on a killing spree is that news? Even if it is other Muslims doesn't the killing by Muslims just to be expected after all of these centuries? I saw a couple of years ago there were 900 lynchings on the West Bank in the Palestinian controlled areas. The country towns of Pakistan have more executions per year than the US south ever did at the height of the KKK. If you are a Muslim living in a hostile Christian or Jewish country you are safer than if you were living in a country ruled by Muslims.
Your last sentence is so very
Submitted by uhohshortsonthe... on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 7:45am.
Your last sentence is so very much the truth, but you won't find many Muslims who will admit it. If you are Muslim living in a Christian or Jewish country, all you have to do is learn the language, obey the laws, and there is no problem. If you are a Muslim living in a Muslim country, all you have to do is be a woman and you could find yourself on the receiving end of a stoning for alleged adultery (or your husband could just want to divorce you because you haven't produced any sons). And you have no defense because the man's word weighs more than the woman's.
Enough
Submitted by Indie Dude on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 8:55pm.
So sick of the New York rag. Their message is so tiresome and they are exposed as not an honest news source. I hope they disappear soon in bankruptcy because no one other then a portion of New Yorkers read their poison.
So, what about Friday?
Submitted by mamabear on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:44pm.
On Friday, when the massacre happened, no one was too sensitive to speculate how and why Norway could have gotten the attention of Islamic fundamentalist terrorists. The media discussed Al Qaeda, Afghanistan, Libya, Danish cartoons, local radicals, growing immigrant populations-- how exactly does that fit into your story of bias?
Then they caught him, and he released his manifesto, so there's no more need to guess. Why are they making a big deal about that fact that he's a Christian, right-wing, Norwegian nationalist? Because it is shocking. Because it wasn't what we expected. We're surprised. You don't need a liberal bias for that to be news.
You are so wrong
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:12pm.
He's NOT a "Christian Right Wing" Norwegian nationalist. The media wrongfully labeled him as such.
-Jon
Obviously, details are still sketchy regarding Breivik, his
Submitted by Jer on Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:41pm.
connections and his motives. But the association is not being drawn out of thin air:
This image of Anders Behring Breivik from a manifesto attributed to him shows Breivik in a uniform with a white and red cross of the Knights Templar. (AP) In a detailed diary kept by Anders Behring Breivik — the Norwegian man charged with killing at least 94 people [since reduced] in a bombing in Oslo and shooting on a nearby island Friday — the suspect details months of preparations that led up to the attacks.
Breivik also exhaustively references the Knights Templar, which he calls an “international Christian military order,” that “fights” against “Islamic suppression.”
source.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:50am.
What I fine odd is this.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/who-added-christ...
well99
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:23am.
I suppose we could check with the noted conspiracy theorist, Pamela Geller, who could pass along the latest paranoid fantasy of the White House "Insider"...
OR
we could review the comments where a link is provided which solves the mystery with a very simple explanation.
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 1:21pm.
Right we can believe a left wing shill like Simon but not someone from the right.I see ok.Two standards right.Just a note:When I first saw this it was at Solid Principles. Also what did they translate?I don't see Kristian or Konervativ.Shouldn't that be there on the untranslated one?Also note my first link.Now lets look at his definition of a Christian.
http://www.dennyburk.com/anders-behring-breivik-is-not-a-christian-but-w...
"A majority of so called agnostics and atheists in Europe are cultural conservative Christians without even knowing it. So what is the difference between cultural Christians and religious Christians?
If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian (p. 1307)."
I know he is a right fanatic.Probably takes Dalmatian puppies and makes spotted dog pudding.Just a note:Look at my profile.Pretty easy to post something.Doesn't mean jack.
You really can't get over the Simon issue, can you well99?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 7:01pm.
Sure, we CAN believe him, but we are not required to. Now, to repeat for the FOURTH time, it may very well be that Simon is lying. We should look at the available evidence, weigh it, make our own judgments and draw our own conclusions.
As you know, Geller even pronounced the b/c released by Obama a few months ago a fraud. What she says doesn't mean jack to me.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by well99 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:41pm.
Still can't get pass the fact that the point with Simon was bias so credibility was the issue.You did notice my first link didn't you?Guess not.Yes we will make our own judgements.That is a given.Apparently you missed also how easy it was to change my profile.I know this maybe a surprise to you but I not really a hard core liberal.It is easy to post it though which means just because you say that is your direction doesn't mean it is your path.
Jer
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 3:00pm.
Somewhere I saw/heard that Breivik described himself as not particularly religious. So, the whole Christianity/Knights of the Templar might be an excuse to kill people. I really don't think he's Christian. The saddest example I've seen in my lifetime of Christians murdering one another was in Northern Ireland, when they had "the troubles".
By the way, he was also (supposedly) into Warcraft. Another reason to keep my son off that stupid site.
Rad...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 6:48pm.
I think it safe to say if Breivik purports to be Christian, he has made a mockery of its tenets and debauched his faith.
Jer
Mamabear*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 1:46pm.
Of course people were horrified at the slaughter of innocent people, like Okla City , like 9-11. Oslo does not normally bring to mind a violent society. But you are mistaken about the automatic assumption that it was radical Islamists based on prejudice. It was the NY Times who reported that a Radical Islamic Group in Norway promptly took "credit" for the bombing. It wasn't but hours later when the killer was caught and the claim was "de-bunked".
One reason that a "Christian terrorist" exists is stunning is because a " Christian Terrorist" is a rarety in that if he was a true Christian, he would never have killed 90 people. Since he borrowed part of his Manifesto from the Uni-bomber, I doubt seriously that he was a "Christian".. I think the media are calling him that because he is neither Jewish, Budhist, nor Muslim. Ergo, he must be a Christian.
An assumption that it may have been radical Islam terror attack would not be so surprising. based on current events world wide.
Look at these numbers.
There was bias throughout this story since its occurance just like with Jared Loughtner. But the media have been ever so careful with the word "terrorist" when discussing Nadal Hassan. Now that mamabear is bias.
They have good reason for calling him Christian
Submitted by mamabear on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:27pm.
He claims to be a member of a Christian military order. Whether he is or not seems kind of irrelevant, he clearly thinks he is. So how is it bias to call him Christian when he calls himself Christian?
Not all killers are terrorists. This guy clearly was, as he had obvious political motives for his attack. So should we have assumed that Hassan was a terrorist simply because we knew he was Muslim? THAT would have been bias. He was called a terrorist once the details of his background and beliefs were known. If there was no manifesto in this case, and people assumed Breivik hated immigrants or liberals because he was a Christian, THAT also would have been bias. But that's not what happened.
My My mamabear*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:35pm.
You really had to work to make pretzels out of my comments.
Hassan was a terrorist from his own comments, writings, and associations with radical Imams. That was clear almost immediately after the shootings. Yet, the media ignored all that information and refused to connect his actions to radical Islam. The media still refuses to call him a "terrorist" regardless of your spin.
The Oslo killer, calls himself a Christian in his manifesto, his comments, and associations and BOOM, throughout the media, he is promptly labeled a terrorist. Can you not see the hypocrisy???
cajun---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:46pm.
"Hypocrisy don't mean jack to me."
The liberal manifesto.
MD
Who's denying it?
Submitted by mamabear on Wed, 07/27/2011 - 9:56am.
If the media are refusing to acknowledge Hasan's connections to radical Islamists, why can I go online to various forms of media and read about his connections to radical Islamists? It's on his wikipedia page, it is in every news story related to the most current events, his trial and changes in representation. What is it exactly that you think the media are denying?
Breivik is a terrorist because he specifically said he was killing people to terrorize them. The "wake up call" so popular with insanely violent political extremists. There's no question he is a terrorist.
Breivik
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:43pm.
is no more Christian than any member of the Aryan Brotherhood. He doesn't adhere to the tenets of Christianity, so he isn't a Christian. If anything, he's a Ted Kaczynski Christian, IOW, not at all.
Breivik is no different than James Huberty, Geroge Hennard, Tim McVeigh, or Seung Hi-Cho.
And, his attorney said that he thinks his client is insane, not motivated by religion.
Exactly UpNorth*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:49pm.
If he was indeed a Christian who hated immigrants, then why did he kill so many of his own countrymen? This is an early list of those killed. When the full list is revealed, lets see how many of the dead were "immigrants".
Maybe cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:57pm.
Because the victims were attending a camp sponsored by the Labor Party which is more tolerant of immigration, and Breivik hates the Party and the young people associated with it because of that tolerance.
Jer
That's right, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:20pm.
And the people he killed hate Jesus, right? He was killing unbelievers. Glad you cleared that up for me.
I don't have the answers, Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:38pm.
But I'm sure it's comforting to you that you think you do.
Jer
I take comfort
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:42pm.
In knowing it all, as well
And I take comfort
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:51pm.
in knowing that you and Cool know everything. Continually looking for answers myself can get awfully tedious. It's nice to be able to simply turn to either you or Cool and skip the drudgery. [Which reminds me...I can also turn to Drudge.]
Jer
Well, Caj, I'm sure
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:02pm.
that Grizzly will explain to us knuckle-dragging, conservative Christians, that Breivik was trying to foment the grand uprising, that's why he committed mass murder against his own, rather than take on the Muslims. After all, he did get his picture taken in a knock-off USMC dress blue uniform. I doubt that the Knights Templar have co-opted the uniform. But, in the eyes of some, that just has to make him legitimate. And, he sewed a red knights cross on the collar, don't you see the connection, now?
Or maybe, just maybe, this twisted geek was just posing, after all, I have yet to see, or hear anyone step up to a microphone and say, yeah, old Anders got it right, we need to start the uprising. This was a dysfunctional male, unable to maintain a friendship, unable to maintain a relationship, who decided to get even with those who "wronged" him. LIke I said, no different than Hubberty, Hennard or those like them.
Good for the gander?
Submitted by mamabear on Wed, 07/27/2011 - 10:03am.
"He doesn't adhere to the tenets of Christianity, so he isn't a Christian. "
But when mainstream muslims say that about jihadists, you scoff. Is that a real defense, or isn't it? Who gets to define what a religion really means and what it should be held responsible for?
that was weak, even for you
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 07/27/2011 - 10:20am.
Muslims are instructed to kill unbelievers. Contrast that to Christ who said "put down your sword".
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
Christ may have said that
Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 07/28/2011 - 9:27am.
but didn't God suggest a less passive approach at various points in the Bible?
It's all about which parts you choose to pay attention to. The Koran also forbids forced religious conversion, the killing of women and children, and in many places in many ways insists that you should only make war against those who attack you first. Even then, turning the other cheek is the most virtuous course.
You just pick the same parts of the Koran to pay attention to as the jihadists. Most muslims treat the Koran like christians treat the Bible-- both books are full of contradictions, and you need to navigate them carefully.
This tragedy in Norway....
Submitted by uhohshortsonthe... on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 7:39am.
...is almost being treated with a sigh of relief by journalists everywhere. "Finally, a mass murdering terrorist who is Christian! Now we can crow about how Islam really is the religion of peace, and we've right all along about that!" Because as you know, one incidence equals a trend according to the mainstream media.
→ Let's run it!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 7:51am.
I was pleasantly surprised last evening when O'Reilly castrgated (sp) the AP for its assumption the killer was Christian. Thus far, there's proof of no such thing except he hates Muslims and multiculturalism.
Surprised at O'Reilly...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:32am.
It's perfectly consistent with his [O'Reilly's] m.o. for the past twelve years. There may not be irrefutable proof, but there is certainly evidence, e.g. Breivit's Facebook page as well as this.
Jer
Same problem as Obama
Submitted by mamabear on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 11:26am.
How do you "prove" someone is or is not a believer in a particular religion? Given Breivik's extreme views, you wouldn't expect him to attend his local Lutheran church, so don't we, at that point, rely on what he calls himself?
I don't think that means that Christianity as a whole has to take responsibility for this guy, but it is naive to insist that this must all be faked because someone violent and insane couldn't possibly be Christian.
OK, mamabear
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:58pm.
And when Obama expresses a desire to "spread the wealth" he's calling himself a marxist.
As I said above to Jer, I
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:09pm.
As I said above to Jer, I read/heard somewhere that this guy said he wasn't particularly religious. Meaning if he is a Christian, it wasn't what motivated him. He could also be a vegetarian, but that didn't cause this either.
Do we hold environmentalism and the EPA responsible for the unibomber since he was trying to protect the environment is some twisted way?
I think when you kill folks for no reason
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:15pm.
You have renounced your Christianity?
And other Christians around the world aren't
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:23pm.
doing this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV_eN4YEEI0 when innocent people are killed.
ok mamabear
Submitted by botg on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:26pm.
why should we listen to a self described bear? shouldn't you be in a circus or pestering 'mister ranger sir'
point is just because someone calls themselves something doesn't make it true
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
But this isn't about true
Submitted by mamabear on Wed, 07/27/2011 - 10:10am.
It is about belief. We want to know how someone could do something this horrible, right? That is the point of the reflection and scrutiny and the questions we ask-- the hope that if we understand how and why, we can do more to try and prevent it.
There will always be crazy people in the world, and violent people, and it may be impossible to stop them. But you have to try, because the consequences are too horrible. So if he believed he was a Christian, and a member of a Christian military order bent on stopping multiculturalism and Marxism, that is information about motivations, things that trigger or release violent behavior, and delusions that made him dangerous.
It doesn't make Christianity responsible for him. But denying that this could have anything to do with his religious (or political) beliefs, when that was clearly something he feels worth mentioning ad nauseum, simply because you share those political or religious beliefs and don't want to think badly of them-- that's sticking your head in the sand.
Right, Jer
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:56pm.
I didn't know the Knights Templar still exists outside "The DaVinci Code". But since you insist it still does, with the support of the Catholic Church, which was instrumental in their extermination, I guess you must be right.
You do know where the superstition of "Friday 13th" came from, don't you?
Sure you aren't confusing reality with the movies?
Ahh, Cool...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:36pm.
Still the Wizard of Straw Men, the Prince of Non Sequiturs, the Master of the Muddled Syllogism...you never disappoint or cease to amaze.
But I didn't realize you think Hollywood is REAL LIFE. Cinema veritae, huh? Well, that explains a lot about you.
Jer
By Odin's beard, he's also
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:36pm.
wearing a Presidential Unit Citation on his "Knight's Templar" uniform, along with a Purple Heart, Viet Nam service medal, and a Bronze Star, a Sam Browne belt and an aguillet of an aide de camp, among many others. Wow, we can blame it all on PTSD, Agent Orange, the Knights, or Bobby Knight, the Viet Nam war, or we can blame it all on Anders, himself.
Like I said, a loser who couldn't live in society, so he decided to kill the ones who he found at fault.
Just because I call myself a millionaire doesn't make me one, damn it.
UpNorth
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:46pm.
Obama just heard you made reference to calling yourself a millionaire. The IRS will showing up momentarily to confiscate your money and your jet.
The IRS?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 07/27/2011 - 7:50am.
They've been and gone, already. Man, I'm so glad at least one functionary of government works the way it was intended.
When seen riding down the driveway, they were heard to exclaim "From those who earned it, to those who want it".
UpNorth
Submitted by well99 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:48pm.
"Just because I call myself a millionaire doesn't make me one, damn it."
Oh my gosh you must be because you said so.Some people are having a problem understanding that.I know it can't be because of their political agenda.
Cool---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:49pm.
Request permission to use the new word -
castrated + castigated = castrgated
Love it!
MD
This one is easy
Submitted by John21 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:40am.
The leftist of the propaganda media are not known for their credibility, morals or courage they know that a Christian will probably not come by their house tonight and remove their heads (too bad). They know that the animals in the Muslim groups would visit them and have a good (party) time at their house. They also know that their fellow cowards in the propaganda media will tell everyone that the animals are:
A. a religion of piece
B. Not all Muslims leftist are animals
C. They asked to be punished for insulting the animals
If the medias lips are moving they are lying.
Something the media doesn't report
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 8:50pm.
Even if this guy IS a Christian, what he is doing is not endorsed by any sect of Christianity. Wheras, when muslims kill people they claim it is justified by the Koran, and there are millions of people who cheer them on.
I don't know of any Christians who were cheering at this horror the way the muslims were when the Twin Towers fell.
Exactly Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 07/26/2011 - 9:29pm.
My beef is with the media. This guy cant be pigeon-holed based on his ramblings and he has already been declared "insane". How sad that he will get 21 yrs max in prison when 90 innocent victims got the death sentence.
And he was no Christian. Nowhere in any Christian teachings or beliefs is there "permission" or "encouragement" to kill innocents. And like Jer already pointed out. If that Christian radical thing doesnt work out, then they will call him a far rightwing nut. All for the purpose of demeaning and labeling Christians and conservatives as nuts in THIS country as part of their ongoing agenda toward socialism.
That is my beef with the media EVERY DAY!