MSNBC's Chris Matthews: 'Torture Advocate' Dick Cheney Should Waterboard Karl Rove
MSNBC's Chris Matthews on Monday continued to obsess over Dick Cheney, deriding the former Vice President as a "torture advocate" who should waterboard Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby.
The Hardball anchor attacked Cheney for complaining that Barack Obama has ended Bush-era war on terror polices. Matthews offered this aside: "...But Cheney being Cheney- doesn't that sound like a good torture advocate name, by the way- he couldn't help but stick it to the President on this very issue."
He then played a clip of Cheney and, rather than address the ex-VP's statements, mocked, "Why don't we have Cheney try that waterboarding thingamajig of his on Karl Rove and Scooter to really find out who said what in that CIA leak case? I think they're fair game, to use a phrase. "
[See video below. MP3 audio here.]
Only six days ago, on May 06, 2011, Matthews lashed out at Cheney as a "sadist."
Oddly, Matthews concluded his show on Monday with a stirring call for patriotism and non-partisanship. Apparently, this doesn't include lobbying to waterboard Republicans.
A transcript of the segment, which aired at 5:30pm EDT on May 09, follows:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: As we showed you earlier, Dick Cheney was generally complimentary of how President Obama handled the bin Laden mission. That was nice, but Cheney being Cheney- doesn't that sound like a good torture advocate name, by the way- he couldn't help but stick it to the President on this very issue.
DICK CHENEY: I still am concerned about the fact that a lot of the techniques that we had used to keep the country safe for more than seven years are no longer available, that they've sort of been taken off the table, if you will. It's not clear to me today if we still have an interrogation program we could put somebody through, should we capture a high value detainee.
MATTHEWS: Where would we be without this fellow? Anyway, he says high value detainee the way that some people say, "I want waffles." Anyway, I have got an interesting thought: Why don't we have Cheney try that waterboarding thingamajig of his on Karl Rove and Scooter to really find out who said what in that CIA leak case? I think they're fair game, to use a phrase.
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Matthews' TV show is worse
Submitted by rbosque on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:21pm.
Matthews' TV show is worse than torture!
Crissy is confused, he thinks
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:24pm.
Crissy is confused, he thinks that waterboarding is the same as when he and schultz engaged in "watersports".
Test MSNBC's water
Submitted by JeffC... on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:26pm.
There has to be a logical explanation to MSNBC's accelerated charge off the deep end.
Yea well, when your able to spread your
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:38pm.
Propaganda, tax free, what do you have to loose?
Money is the usual reason,..
Submitted by Mark81150 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 10:17pm.
Perhaps the field sensing there's no clear frontrunner for the Olbermann position of face of the network, they're subconciously all running for the prise.. how much was Olbermann's last contract?
give chris a choice...
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:38pm.
1. Being waterboarded by Cheney
or
2. A rifle shot in the head by obama
No brainer
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:50pm.
He would rather have anything by Obama
Cheney's way obama's way
Submitted by MidAmerica on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:03pm.
Cheney's way
obama's way
"No Brain"...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 6:22pm.
...One of Chrissy "Manlove" Tingles many nicknames....
MA,
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:29pm.
LOL - I'd go for the former, as the latter is much too quick and painless.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
#3.
Submitted by Clutch1956 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:01pm.
Chrissy would rather take Obama's "fast freight up the Brown Route", IYKWIMAITYD.
Clutch
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:34pm.
ID
Just like to ask, am I the only one that would pay to watch Tingles zapped with a cattle prod for an hour each night?
LOL - Looks like MS(CCCP)NBC is dead serious about being nothing
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 6:50pm.
...more than a tax write-off for Comcast.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Chris is the picture of a Lib
Submitted by desert3030 on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:03pm.
He comes from a mind set of wheelers and dealers that think no one has a right to challege their thoughts, and haven forbid their wishes. I just wonder when the time comes, and it does for us all,...How he will square it all up?
He falls into that group that you say ...does he use a mirror as there is no way to face up too what he says. Chris, this may put you over the top, I will pray for your soul.
Earth to Matthew: We know who revealed Plames' . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:45pm.
. . . CIA identity to Robert Novak.
It was Richard Armitage.
He admitted it under oath to Special Prosecutor Fitzpatrick.
Novak confirmed under oath that Armitage was his source.
Neither was ever charged with a crime.
We can reasonably assume that since the Special Prosecutor had a confession from Armitage and never charged him with a crime, the facts failed to meet the burden of proof that the law had been broken.
The one guy he did get was Scooter Libby in a perjury charge. Libby did not reveal Plame's employment.
End of story.
Unless you're a blithering idiot like Matthews.
Heh, I wonder how many frames of that video Scott had to...
Submitted by Dave. on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 7:54pm.
...plow through to get that one cap that is just perfect.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Left-wingers are so hateful
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:42pm.
Left-wingers are so hateful of anyone with a different way of thinking. .
Simple Solution
Submitted by IrateNate on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 8:48pm.
Chris Matthews needs to be beaten with a 2x4 until he stops twitching...
OK, so that may be a bit harsh. But I know this would draw better ratings than his normal broadcast.
Have we sunk this low? The smart money says "yes".
Chris Matthews Biased or Insane?
Submitted by Chris Norman on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 9:16pm.
With all due respect to NB, is Chris Matthews even part of bias in the media? I mean, this guy is so far over the top, he shouldn't even be considered merely biased any longer. Now, insane - maybe. Perhaps NB should open a sister site devoted to the Chris Matthews and Mike Malloys of the media, called "NewsShrinks" - Exposing & Combating Liberal Insanity in the Media. Save NewsBusters for the everyday garden variety liberal bias. Just an idea....
the joke or the yoke is on you?
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:47pm.
Mathews is not insane anymore than the devil is insane. But in this particular instance how can anyone see into another man's heart and see what is there.
Does Matthews truly object to water boarding based on his convictions that the practice is evil? We can only tell by a man's actions the type of person he is. Mathews is an establishment man who is covering for Obama who hasn't closed GITMO nor stopped torturing people.
However dispicable Matthews is he pokes fun at the water boarders by drawing a parallel to the Scooter Libby case and shows the "insanity" or perhaps "evilness" of using torture methods to extract information from people who are liars. I don't know how serious the man is about his condemnation of that medieval practice but he does have a point.
Your life is no more precious than anyone else's on this planet but somehow you think it is just fine for your governmen to use torture to protect your sorry hide. Well you aren't guaranteed a long life or a rich life or healthy life on this earth but you are willing for your government to transform itself into a government resembling the kind that the terrorists came from just so that your miserable life can feel safe from them bad old buggermans who entered America with your government's permission; all carrying legal VISA cards issued by GWBush and his water boarding fanatics.
Hope you don't fall off your high horse, there, lrgon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:51pm.
because there is a rough stop at ground level.
It is known as reality.
MD
reality is
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:04pm.
that Cheney and Bush attacked the Constitution.
You are blinded by the uttererings of liberals like matthews that you think that because he criticizes or appears to criticize a medieval pratice that you have to take the opposite view?
Bush and Cheney attacked the Constitution---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:23pm.
and I am blinded by the utterings of liberals like matthews (sic).
I am starting to get the impression you don't much care for Bush, Cheney, torture, or spell checks on your posts.
I pretty much keep my own counsel, there, lrgon, in that I consider righteous rantings such as yours to be righteous only within the confines of your own skull.
That much righteousness crowded into such a small space must make it doggone hard to squeeze in any thoughts, cares, or concerns for your fellow man.
Only room for condemnation, eh?
Righteous righteousness, indeed.
What a concept.
MD
Student VISAs issued by Clinton and Bush administration
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:23pm.
Terrorists entered America with your government's permission; all carrying legal VISA cards issued by GWBush and his predecessors.
The government abolished House ans Senate internal'security committees, Attorney Generalslist of subversives, State police department and city counter intelligence units were destroyed by court attacks by leftwing lawyers organizations.
The Cheny and neo cons' answer: imploy torture on anyone who is the least suspect to protect us!
The protection needs to be inforce before the crimes are committed not after they kill.
The premise and the speculation is that torture was the key that led to the whereabouts of the redoubt where Bin Ladenwas hiding. Why shouldany sane person believe a government that dismantles its own security apparatus and allows terrorist to enter and begin to blow things up in America all the way back beginning in the 70's?
There was lots of warning signs since then.
Neocons utter in a confused haze:
" But oh we gotz to torture 'em cuz that's de 'Merican way of doin things now. Yep, its eben in da bill o rights."
Irgon,
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:39pm.
I actually agree with a great deal of your post - minus two points I hope you could clarify for me.
"The Cheny and neo cons' answer: imploy torture on anyone who is the least suspect to protect us!"
1) I missed the round ups and the infiltration into Muslim communities, the restriction to religious preferences in prisons, the crackdown on La Raza, etc..., per your comment I would think these would have been first steps yet no real sign things like this happened. How does that play into evil Cheney and Neocon stereotype?
2) What is a Neocon? At least, what do you mean by Neocon?
Irgon, talk about gibberish.
Submitted by bassndude on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:54pm.
Irgon, talk about gibberish. Where do you get your information? Seems to me alot of what your saying fits right in there with the Truthers and the Birthers. Your posts are utter nonsense. The rantings of a mad anarchist. One who must live in some other country and gets what news they do get from notes placed under a rock in the forest, least they be found out.
Water boarding is not torture. We do that to OUR troops in training. We want our people prepared for what they may encounter. We provide candidates with sleep depravation, cold mud baths at night, restricted movement in a wall locker, out side under a water hose or rain. Rain is easier, but the hose works better.
We call these techniques standard. Water boarding is "enhanced". We do not torture our own troops. So we don't torture terrorists.
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medieval?
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:43pm.
You need to brush up on your medieval torture technics if you think that what was done was any thing close though there were similar ideas only without all the safety precautions and the policies of limited use.
If you are not interested in history then see areas of Persia, North Africa and Central Africa still have some interesting technics though it is unclear whether they are still used or not. Except for the hacking off of the head with a dull sword - we know they still do that. And the one where they roast the children and serve them to the parents - we know they still do that as well.
Hay Chris I'm with you on Chris
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:01pm.
I went to the Gala a few years back and It was wall to wall matthews.
Looks like this year MRC corrected the glut of Chris?
I do not play his clips on here anymore....
Yes spin-off the KOOKs to a sister fringe site.
And/Or use numbers. The viewership/listeners needs to exceed one million.
You Didn't Build That.
I say we should waterboard
Submitted by jessieH on Mon, 05/09/2011 - 9:42pm.
I say we should waterboard the lame stream media to find out why they have turned their backs on the American people & journalism.
they have "turned their backs on journalism and the people"
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:29pm.
is probably an accurate observation but to use waterboarding as a way for themto see the light is best left up to the Lord if you don't have any better suggestions that to torture them!
sentiments over reality
Submitted by Agnostic on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:18pm.
Irgon, I can appreciate what you are saying in the context you are implying but the reality is that it is hard for me to accept water boarding a form of torture. Will it scare the crap out of you? Yes. Is there a possibility for long term psych issues? Possibly. Permanent damage or excessive psychological damage is doubtful. It wasn't that many years ago that things nearly as bad or worse were going on in college fraternities, military 'unofficial' ceremonies and in several other establishments were the 'Newbie' always got a string of character test thrown at them.
Every week military personnel around the world take gas mask off in a room full of Tear Gas. Perception is big with the left when it suits them; so, when you start with the above perception the whole idea of water boarding as torture is difficult to swallow. (pardon the pun)
Blessed are the enhancing interrogators
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:24pm.
for they will take 10 years using their enhancing interrogation boards to find their man in a mansion close to a military resort! Or was that a military spa?
No sooner had the news broke on the "alleged" hit on Osama Bin Laden that the Bush supporters came out of their villages demanding that the intellectual from Crawford, Texas be given the full faith and credit that he deserves for the discovery and the eventual "alleged" killing of Bin Laden. After all reasoned Bush's adorning fans it was the man with the "wanted dead or alive" poster that incorporated "enhanced interrogation" that did the trick.
I suppose Jesus would also approve of "enhanced interrogation?" Would he also approve of drawing and quartering people? How about bringing wives and daughters to a GITMO cell and forcing the "detainee" to watch as his wife or daughter is abused by stripping them naked and having the brave men and women in uniform abuse them with sticks and dogs? If it saves a town or a city from a bomb it should meet with the approval of the Master shouldn't it?
Here is a fact Bushistas hate to admit:9-11 was committed right under the noses of our intelligence community.
The CIA,FBI, DEA, DIA, et al have at their disposal spy satellites that can look down and read the numbers on your car plates. They use sophisticated listening devices and have billions of dollars at their leisure to hire informants to secret themselves into terrorist cells. So should we do away with the spy satellites, surveillance devices and quit hiring informants and focus on using torture as our main defense against terrorism?
One has to wonder where "enhanced interrogation" fits into the intelligence equation? Unless it's to change our once civilized American society into one that resembles the society that the terrorists come from I don't see its purpose.
Good intelligence will win out every time. Using barbaric and un-Christian style interrogations after the crime has been committed is unholy and evil.
The best defense of course is to be the peacemakers that our Lord recommended and to leave those lands where we have no business being there. It antagonizes people who want to be left alone.
Everyone, lrgon,---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 12:36pm.
is entitled to an opinion.
Nowhere does it say that opinion has to be a viable one in today's world of terror.
Good thing.
Are Bush's "adorning" fans the ones you see draped all over his body, or is your BDS affecting your eyesight?
MD
jibberish reply
Submitted by lrgon on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:00pm.
Of course we all have an opinion. What does that have to do with the discussionof torture?
If what you mean to imply by your jibberish reply that deep in that dark heart of Cheney is the kind of man you admire: an evil and sick man who hates what the Constitution is all about; who would in an instant ,destroy the protections citizens have under the Bill of Rights to be free of such things as being spied upon, molested and abused and tortured by our very own government, then you are the kind of person that would rejoice at the evil kind of animal that has run Cuba. An island prison where torture is as fcommon as green fatigues and a beards.
Speaking of jibberish there, lrgon---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:10pm.
how is it that you know what is in Dick Cheney's heart?
Are you the heart surgeon who operated on him?
Did you plant something in there?
Oh, and I take back the remark about your BDS.
It is obvious you are afflicted with BADS - Bush Administration Derangement Syndrome.
You are going to be a fun poster to fence with.
Most weirdos are.
MD
Irgon, Hello your Obama has left everything in tact.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 1:47pm.
Your rants are Obama Free, I see...
Change ... We got huge change.
Gitmo.... still there.
All the intelligence structure still there.
But wait theres more.... 16,000 more irs folks with 12 G. shot guns.
A FRESH third war.
And the spending the likes the gods have not seen.
Even Cuba gets to drill for it's own oil.
You Didn't Build That.
First, one has to accept the premise
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:22pm.
....that waterboarding is torture.
Which I don't. It leaves no permanent scar. It merely scares the living crap out of someone who isn't trained to deal with it.
In rejecting your premise, I therefore reject your entire argument. ACLU tactics aren't going to work on terrorists, lawyer them up and feed them bon bons is a ludicrous tactic.
Your smear of Dick Cheney is just typical of the left....all emotional and no facts.
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Irgon must be a play of the
Submitted by bassndude on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:34pm.
Irgon must be a play of the Irgun name. A radical Jewish group from the 1930's who attacked and killed Arabs in what is now early Israel before WW II. I have a feeling he has spent to much time on http://www.arabcompiler.com/aqsa/isreal-en.htm.
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We didn't torture anyone.
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 4:12pm.
We didn't torture anyone. That's why your entire line of posts is irrelevant.
Anything else?
Umm, what exactly is a Christian-style interrogation, "Irgon"?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 05/10/2011 - 2:07pm.
We're at war with barbarians, sonny, and they want you and me DEAD. And they don't want Christian-style anything, in case you've just crash landed on Earth from another planet.