MSNBC Promotes Study Suggesting Gays Are More Likely to Commit Suicide in Conservative Areas
MSNBC on Wednesday promoted a study suggesting that gays are more likely to kill themselves in conservative parts of the country. News Live co-host Thomas Roberts explained, "There's a disturbing new study showing suicide attempts by teen, gay or straight, are more frequent in conservative areas where schools don't have programs supporting gay rights."
Roberts talked to the study's author, Columbia University researcher Mark Hatzenbuehler, and wondered, "Is it strictly something that needs to be looked through a lens of liberal and conservative? It seems kind of daft to think it's just all politics."
The professor did try and back down on that particular point, saying party affiliation "misses the point." He asserted, "We did include, in our measure of the social environment, the proportion of Democrats living in the county, and that's because previous studies have shown that political affiliation is associated with attitudes towards gays and lesbians."
Highlighting teen suicide and the study's finding, Roberts added, "...But it was basically boils down to social tolerance?"
A transcript of the April 20 segment, which aired at 11:48am, follows:
THOMAS ROBERTS: There's a disturbing new study showing suicide attempts by teen, gay or straight, are more frequent in conservative areas where schools don't have programs supporting gay rights. The study of nearly 32,000 high school students focused on Oregon and found teens there were more likely to attempt suicide in less socially tolerant counties. I'm joined now by Mark Hatzenbuehler, a psychologist and researcher at Columbia University. He authored this study. So, Mark, explain to us, so how do you explain these findings? Is it strictly something that needs to be looked through a lens of liberal and conservative? It seems kind of daft to think it's just all politics.
MARK HATZENBUEHLER: Right. And I think, unfortunately, that this study, the way in which some people have tried to explain this study is through that lens. And I think, unfortunately, that sort of misses the point of what I think this study is about. We did include, in our measure of the social environment, the proportion of Democrats living in the county, and that's because previous studies have shown that political affiliation is associated with attitudes towards gays and lesbians. But I think, sort of, focusing on that really deflects attention from what I think is really the main point of the study. And that's really, how do we create supportive environments for our youth? And so, our measure of the social environment actually focuses most on school climates, because, of course, that's where students are spending a lot of their time. And, so we looked at things like whether or not schools have gay/straight alliances. Do they have anti-discrimination policies that protect gay youth? And do they have anti-bullying policies? And what we're showing is that youth who live in these kind of schools that implement protective policies have lower rates of suicide attempts compared to those that live in less supported school districts.
ROBERTS: And surprisingly, your study also says that suicide attempts have gone up for teens who aren't bullied, aren't depressed. So does that surprise you?
HATZENBUEHLER: Well, what we did was we actually controlled for experiences of depression and bullying. Previous studies have shown those kinds of individual level risk factors matter. But, we were sort of pulling back a little bit in the study and trying to understand not on an individual level what puts people at risk for suicide, but is there something about the social context in which youth live that places them at risk? And I think that's really sort of the take home message from this study. And it really provides, I think, a road map of how we can reduce suicide attempts in youth through altering and changing the social environment in which they live.
ROBERTS: From doing this, the tipping point that really, I guess, changed from county to county and how you were able to correlate these tremendous loss of life, teen suicide, it is a terrible epidemic, but it was basically boils down to social tolerance?
HATZENBUEHLER: Well, I think that, again, we looked at several different dimensions of the social context. We looked at the proportion of same sex couples who live in the counties and which suggests providing couples who live in counties that are more tolerant are- that was one of the dimensions we looked at in the study for that reason. But, again, I think our real focus was on school climate and it suggests that when schools try to create climates through increasing tolerance, decreasing bullying and discrimination and harassment, it is really creating environments that are supportive and healthy for gay youth, but equally important it is creating healthy environments for all youth, irrespective of sexual orientation. And I think that's an important part of the study.
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Gay suicidesI
Submitted by merlin61 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:36pm.
What a bunch of malarky. This study is about as useless as tits on
bull. All this comes down to is more attempts to doctrinize our children
in the public schools. Its just an excuse to have more programs to tell
our children to experiment with sexuality. I don't believe a word of this
survey.
Well if a "Columbia Professor"...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:41pm.
sez so, it must be true. Is that "Columbia", the country?
We better create a Gay Suicide Czar. I wonder if Harvey Firestein is available.
Good One!
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:57pm.
Where is Paul Lynde when you need him?
Yeah -- KIDS!
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:04pm.
Why can't they be like we were/
Perfect in every way/
WHAT'S the matter w/ Kids/
TO-DAY!!!!!
Harvey
Submitted by RightRealDeal on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:15pm.
BHO needs another CZAR, yes. I don't think even Harvey would buy this BS and they shouldn't be selling it. I just saw Harvey two weeks ago on Broadway and he was great and he is no dope, he is smart enough to see through this Sh..
I agree...
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:13pm.
I watched Harvey Feirstein give an interview on Broadway.com recently and found that he holds pretty conservative values; although, I got the impression he wasn't very aware of it...or maybe he just wouldn't use the term "conservative."
they do it to spite us
Submitted by wizardjr on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:45pm.
Their liberal mental disease set them up to self destruct. They just pick a nice conservative place to do it to show us it's all our fault.
I am starting to worry
Submitted by richb313 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:52pm.
The latest round of hate filled rehtoric from our liberal bretheren are sounding very familiar to anyone who has studied history. Now conservatives are filling the roil that the Jews used to fill in Nazi propoganda. Am I being paronoid? I sure hope so.
The only thing you need to be “paranoid” about…
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:10pm.
…is your spelling.
P.s.: That just a friendly ribbing... no offense meant because I happen to agree with your comments. ;o)
Spelling
Submitted by richb313 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 10:15pm.
Spelling is the least of my problems. This computer wants to always change wording and spelling. I turn off the auto complete but it does not matter.
Here in Dallas the local news
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 2:16pm.
Here in Dallas the local news frequently refers to a program called BEYOND BULLYING. Bullying is a legitimate concern but stating your views is not bullying. As a matter of fact, the LGBT support programs as implemented by some teachers in government scrools are effectively bullying Christians to sit down and shut up in the back seat; as Obama would say. So NOW if we are Beyond Bullying, does that not imply thought police? Don't even SAY something that COULD be CONSTRUED negatively, and if you do, it WILL BE CONSIDERED BULLYING!!!!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Gay suicides
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:55pm.
Yeah, like that bastion of conservatism, Rutgers University.
New study
Submitted by Jerry Mack on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:57pm.
Have you noticed that these studiers usually have names that few people can pronounce. I recommend a study for suicide rate on people with unpronounchable names.
The Social Environment and
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:03pm.
The Social Environment and Suicide Attempts in Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Youth.
Pretty easy in this case, don't you think?
That was the name of the studier?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:24pm.
That's a pretty long name, but maybe not in the Germaneez.
Apparently it's not that easy.
Missed a letter there.
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:39pm.
Suddenly his post makes sense. A revelation. I have to thank you.
iz funnee germanzee joke.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 12:19am.
attualliz, not iz rilly funniz. iz poor riddin skillz. iz need translatorz to iz unt understandingz. iz tranzlate for troggiz trolliz so iz unnerstandz -
is originalz ---
Jerry Mack: Have you noticed that these studiers usually have names that few people can pronounce. I recommend a study for suicide rate on people with unpronounchable names.
iz tranzlatez ---
Jerry Mack: Iz have notice? iz study monkeepipplez iz most timez have name iz only monkipipple can pronouncingz. Iz recommendinz unt study vor iz suicide rate on monkipipple with no can say namez.
Darwinian?
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 5:57pm.
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PMSNBC
Submitted by RightRealDeal on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:13pm.
they must just hand out dope over there since the place is full of them.
MSNBC's (and the
Submitted by celator on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:26pm.
MSNBC's (and the researchers') goal was to connect the terms "gay suicide" with "conservative". No more complicated than that.
This is a perfect case of
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:33pm.
This is a perfect case of correlation versus causation. Statistically, people (all types) who live in rural areas are more likely to commit suicide than people in urban areas. Rural areas also tend to be more conservative than urban areas. So the conclusion that more homosexuals commit suicide in rural areas is true, but it is also true for heterosexuals. And just because rural areas tend to be more conservative doesn't automatically allow for us to conclude causation. I don't expect the liberal media to be this honest about their reporting however.
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonThat may all be very true,
Submitted by troglodyt on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:56pm.
but it has nothing to do with the study. At least it doesn't appear in its abstract.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21502225
According to the study you linked:
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 10:37pm.
Here's a quote from the linked study:
Methods: A total of 31,852 11th grade students (1413 [4.4%] lesbian, gay, and bisexual individuals) in Oregon completed the Oregon Healthy Teens survey in 2006-2008. We created a composite index of the social environment in 34 counties, including (1) the proportion of same-sex couples, (2) the proportion of registered Democrats, (3) the presence of gay-straight alliances in schools, and (4) school policies (nondiscrimination and antibullying) that specifically protected lesbian, gay, and bisexual students. Results: Lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth were significantly more likely to attempt suicide in the previous 12 months, compared with heterosexuals (21.5% vs 4.2%).
The study doesn't release any results regarding actual suicides, only attempted suicides.
The one thing I do take away from this study though, is that lesbian, gay, and bisexual 11th graders in Oregon are not at all proficient at committing suicide. Either that, or they are very melodramatic. Over one in five attempted suicide while in the 11th grade? We are suppose to believe this? Any actual police or hospital records to back this up?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Or that 4.2% of 11th graders
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 2:27pm.
Or that 4.2% of 11th graders attempted suicide in the past single year. That seems high also! Not over their entire life but that year. Any experts out there? So the attempted suicide rate for gays is 5X higher at 21.5%. Any reason then they are encouraging these kids to act out their sexual urges in classically immoral ways? That does not seem healthy or good advice! Are they not concerned about the kids true well being? I don't think it is about the kids best interest, but in selling and marketing the homosexual life. It very clearly does not make the person happy, despite getting to "enjoy" what they want via their own choice.
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
Achtung! Iz Nederlunds conservatix!
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 12:04am.
One important and carefully conducted study found suicide attempts among homosexuals were six times greater than the average
homosexual people are at substantially higher risk for some forms of emotional problems, including suicidality, major depression, and anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and nicotine dependence...The strength of the new studies is their degree of control."
Unt Vietnam iz conservatix as vell.
The first study was on male twins who had served in Vietnam (Herrell et al. 1999). It concluded that on average, male homosexuals were 5.1 times more likely to exhibit suicide- related behavior or thoughts than their heterosexual counterparts.
iz confuzez troggiz trolliz. Nah New Zealunt is conservatix?
The second study (Fergusson et al. 1999) followed a large New Zealand group from birth to their early twenties. The "birth cohort" method of subject selection is especially reliable and free from most of the biases which bedevil surveys. This study showed a significantly higher occurrence of depression, anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, substance abuse and thoughts about suicide, amongst those who were homosexually active.
Ahhzuz! der iz neederluntz.
The third paper was a Netherlands study (Sandfort et al. 2001) which again showed a higher level of mental-health problems among homosexuals, but remarkably, subjects with HIV infection was not any more likely than those without HIV infection to suffer from mental health problems. People who are HIV-positive should at least be expected to be anxious or depressed!
The paper thus concluded that HIV infection is not a cause of mental health problems--but that stigmatization from society was likely the cause--even in the Netherlands, where alternative lifestyles are more widely accepted than in most other countries. That interpretation of the data is quite unconvincing.
Y iz kill youselfz homosexualizezzez?
...about 2/3 were due to breakups of relationships --not outside pressures from society.
iz rilly?
Similarly, Bell and Weinberg (1981) also found the major reason for suicide attempts was the breakup of relationships.
But is conservatix fault? No?
Another factor in suicide attempts would be the compulsive or addictive elements in homosexuality (Pincu, 1989 ) which could lead to feelings of depression when the lifestyle is out of control (Seligman 1975)
iz ferry convuzed. ferry ferry convuzed.
Third, does pressure from society lead to mental health problems? Less, I believe, than one might imagine. The authors of the study done in The Netherlands were surprised to find so much mental illness in homosexual people in a country where tolerance of homosexuality is greater than in almost all other countries.
iz hate conservatix to make troggiz trolliz look lik iz fool.
Another good comparison country is New Zealand, which is much more tolerant of homosexuality than is the United States. Legislation giving the movement special legal rights is powerful, consistently enforced throughout the country, and virtually never challenged. Despite this broad level of social tolerance, suicide attempts were common in a New Zealand study and occurred at about the same rate as in the U.S.
In his cross-cultural comparison of mental health in the Netherlands, Denmark and the U.S., Ross (1988) could find no significant differences between countries - i.e. the greater social hostility in the United States did not result in a higher level of psychiatric problems.
And you wanted to stress the point
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:33am.
that conservatives are not responsible for gay suicides, right?Well, nobody said so. All your work for nothing. So we are stuck with Shakespeare. Sonnet 5:
Those hours, that with gentle work did frame
The lovely gaze where every eye doth dwell,
Will play the tyrants to the very same
And that unfair which fairly doth excel:
For never-resting time leads summer on
To hideous winter and confounds him there;
Sap check'd with frost and lusty leaves quite gone,
Beauty o'ersnow'd and bareness every where:
Then, were not summer's distillation left,
A liquid prisoner pent in walls of glass,
Beauty's effect with beauty were bereft,
Nor it nor no remembrance what it was:
But flowers distill'd though they with winter meet,
Leese but their show; their substance still lives sweet.
Pliz trolliz troggiz. I learnz lezzonz. I no talk you noez mor.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:42am.
Pliz dön' mäk monkeemän reed zee Shakespämz nö mörz. iz germanzee expertz to force pipple against willz.
quaaaaaaaaak: Nr.6
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:44am.
Then let not winter's ragged hand deface
In thee thy summer, ere thou be distill'd:
Make sweet some vial; treasure thou some place
With beauty's treasure, ere it be self-kill'd.
That use is not forbidden usury,
Which happies those that pay the willing loan;
That's for thyself to breed another thee,
Or ten times happier, be it ten for one;
Ten times thyself were happier than thou art,
If ten of thine ten times refigured thee:
Then what could death do, if thou shouldst depart,
Leaving thee living in posterity?
Be not self-will'd, for thou art much too fair,
To be death's conquest and make worms thine heir.
iz pliz no force monkiman on train germanzee
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:50am.
iz nö wännä get ön train, gö education cämpz, leärn shäkespäm. pliz iz nö täke all pözzezionz. pliz iz nö mäke funneez troggiz trolliz. iz got töö müch experiencez to förce pipple on träin, reädinz shäkspam.
blök: Nr.7
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:52am.
Lo! in the orient when the gracious light
Lifts up his burning head, each under eye
Doth homage to his new-appearing sight,
Serving with looks his sacred majesty;
And having climb'd the steep-up heavenly hill,
Resembling strong youth in his middle age,
yet mortal looks adore his beauty still,
Attending on his golden pilgrimage;
But when from highmost pitch, with weary car,
Like feeble age, he reeleth from the day,
The eyes, 'fore duteous, now converted are
From his low tract and look another way:
So thou, thyself out-going in thy noon,
Unlook'd on diest, unless thou get a son.
iz troggiz trolliz iz mad. monkipipple make look fool. iz reveng
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:19am.
pliz iz no force to get on trainz. pliz no take all my home. pliz no force to readinz shakspam. pliz germanzee, i go usa if no more. i go palestine. pliz iz too power.
Equating yourself to a Holocaust victim?
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:29am.
More Shakespeare for that. Nr.8:
Music to hear, why hear'st thou music sadly?
Sweets with sweets war not, joy delights in joy.
Why lovest thou that which thou receivest not gladly,
Or else receivest with pleasure thine annoy?
If the true concord of well-tuned sounds,
By unions married, do offend thine ear,
They do but sweetly chide thee, who confounds
In singleness the parts that thou shouldst bear.
Mark how one string, sweet husband to another,
Strikes each in each by mutual ordering,
Resembling sire and child and happy mother
Who all in one, one pleasing note do sing:
Whose speechless song, being many, seeming one,
Sings this to thee: 'thou single wilt prove none.'
iz troggiz trolliz iz mad. monkipipple make look fool. iz reveng
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:43am.
iz not troll honext. iz just hate conservatix smartenz.
boak, boak, bäüök Nr.9
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:51am.
Is it for fear to wet a widow's eye
That thou consumest thyself in single life?
Ah! if thou issueless shalt hap to die,
The world will wail thee, like a makeless wife;
The world will be thy widow and still weep
That thou no form of thee hast left behind,
When every private widow well may keep
By children's eyes her husband's shape in mind.
Look what an unthrift in the world doth spend
Shifts but his place, for still the world enjoys it;
But beauty's waste hath in the world an end,
And kept unused, the user so destroys it.
No love toward others in that bosom sits
That on himself such murderous shame commits.
iz remindinz funniz germanzee joke.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:59am.
u sit on tooshi murrikan. no pop. iz one murrikan mak trolliz troggiz madz so iz reveng iz post shakspam make monkipipple look sorri. iz reveng monkipipple point merkel stupid. point soros stupid. point grobal warmting stupid. point funniz germanzee word stupid. iz reveng nah. iz trolliz happiz make monkipipple harazz. iz no like monkipipple harazz back make look stupid. iz post shakespam u make merkel look stupid.Ha! iz funniz murrikan? u rolliz drity floor nah?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Nr.10
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 7:03am.
For shame deny that thou bear'st love to any,
Who for thyself art so unprovident.
Grant, if thou wilt, thou art beloved of many,
But that thou none lovest is most evident;
For thou art so possess'd with murderous hate
That 'gainst thyself thou stick'st not to conspire.
Seeking that beauteous roof to ruinate
Which to repair should be thy chief desire.
O, change thy thought, that I may change my mind!
Shall hate be fairer lodged than gentle love?
Be, as thy presence is, gracious and kind,
Or to thyself at least kind-hearted prove:
Make thee another self, for love of me,
That beauty still may live in thine or thee.
iz funne germanzee jokez
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 7:16am.
iz last word spamz. iz all gotz when monkipipplez make look fool in front udder monkipipplez. iz make spam becuz monkipipple make look fool ezzy time. merkel! power! Rooful! Meatloaf!
iz tink iz smart den monkipipple. iz not smart. all iz got spam. no brain to show monkipipple. just lash outz spam.
You want to be the last word troll?
Submitted by troglodyt on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 7:26am.
Nr.11
As fast as thou shalt wane, so fast thou growest
In one of thine, from that which thou departest;
And that fresh blood which youngly thou bestow'st
Thou mayst call thine when thou from youth convertest.
Herein lives wisdom, beauty and increase:
Without this, folly, age and cold decay:
If all were minded so, the times should cease
And threescore year would make the world away.
Let those whom Nature hath not made for store,
Harsh featureless and rude, barrenly perish:
Look, whom she best endow'd she gave the more;
Which bounteous gift thou shouldst in bounty cherish:
She carved thee for her seal, and meant thereby
Thou shouldst print more, not let that copy die.
Go ahead. Make your day.
iz remindinz funniz germanzee joke.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 7:42am.
iz monkipipple make you look stupid? Spam! iz monkipipple smart than you? Spam! iz not right. iz trolliz follow rulez. try to catch monkipipple mistakez. iz monkipipple make look fool. Spam! iz laugh at merkel. monkipiple no care. Spam! iz lie about soros. monkippiple catch lie. Spam! iz remind germanzee word. monkipiple make fun germanzee word. Spam! iz last troll to love grobal warmting. monkipipple no care. Spam! iz try to catch mistake monkipipple. no catch. just make fun the monkipipple on make fun troll. Spam! iz believe study on homosezyulez. monkipipple catch stupid iz study. Spam!
why monkipipple no respect troggiz trolliz. no friend. no buddy. just make fun. no fair. spam! iz makenzeefunniz germanziz word. iz cry. Spam!
Fearmongering much?
Submitted by Rusty Shackleford on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:46pm.
Fearmongering much?
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Bill Maher: The Joy Behar of HBO.
Paul Krugman: The Joy Behar of The New York Times.
How about a study citing
Submitted by the struggler on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:50pm.
How about a study citing conservatives are more likely to stab their eyes out watching MSNBC.
Cause and effect
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 6:51pm.
I wonder, what other causative factors did they consider for their little study?
The preponderance of blue eyed people in these areas? The ration of F150's to Prius'? The prevalence of Country Western and Talk Radio stations on the a.m. band?
This is such utter bull****.
It's just a soulful wail for yet another taxpayer funded safari....new social service programs, with multiple layers of administration.
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Oregon has 36 counties, yet
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 10:30pm.
Oregon has 36 counties, yet the study only "composited" 34 counties. Why?
How many of these youths who gestured or completed suicide were experimenting with same sex partners, as today's teens are increasingly doing, but who ultimately would not be gay or bisexual? Could peer and societal pressures of celebrating homosexuality lead to confusion and suicidal ideation?
Is Oregon representative of all of the USA? Why would a Columbia researcher, who graduated from Yale and affiliated with Robert Wod Johnson Foundation, choose Oregon for his study? What about comparing a decidedly Liberal state?
Many questions unanswered to assume validity at this point. But is does have the correct conclusion.
Liberal psycho-babble responsible sex crisis
Submitted by Slyrr on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:01pm.
Media is doing a disservice. Whether it be homosexuality, fornication or any other kind of sexual issue-du-jour, they are making things worse. They think they're saving lives and liberating people by freeing them from the 'tyranny' of sexual repression caused by them mean ol' religious types?
They're not doing their own jobs. Even a cursory study would show that the mental, physical and medical issues caused by engaging in promiscuity, whoredoms and fornication are a hundred times worse than the issues caused by abstinance.
The teenage girl who's in one of PP's slaughterhouses getting a fetus butchered would surely agree that the horror of such an experience is much worse than any 'frustration' she might have experienced if she'd just said NO to the boys slobbering after her for sex.
You teachers out there - you politicians, media wonks and good-for-nothing politicians - if you're the ones filling kids and adults heads with nonsense like 'it's easier than it sounds to have an abortion' - if you're telling kids they can have sex out of wedlock without any kind of consequence or reprecussions - if you're promulgating the lie that a lifestyle of promiscuity and fornication is 'hip and cool', then you are inflicting horrors and pain in the lives of everyone you cross paths with.
The time has come for you to wake up and see the damage your doing to people's minds, bodies and hearts by tricking them into commiting whoredoms and laughing about it by saying 'eat drink and have sex for tomorrow you die'.
Slyrr fantastic post!
Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 2:42pm.
Agree 100%! Slyrr gets a medal for this post!
-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.
A good place to start budget
Submitted by Dan Diego on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:08pm.
A good place to start budget cuts.
Funding for the study came from the National Institutes for Health and a center for gay research at the Fenway Institute, an independent Harvard-affiliated health care and research center.
Okay- this comment doesn't
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:13pm.
Okay- this comment doesn't have anything to do with gay suicide, but it does have to do with Shepard Smith and Bradley Manning, so you can draw your own inferences.
Can someone from NB please look for Shep's opening report on tonight's Fox Report about Bradley Manning being moved to Fort Leavenworth? Shep is no stranger to interjecting his views in his reports, even though he professes some claim that he's a journalist and therefore above reproach in this vein, but tonight's report was one of his most egregious examples as he tried to defame the US Marine Corps and the brig at Quantico.
I rarely get aggravated to, well, that point, but had Shep said what he said, the way he said it and in my presence, I fear I'd be visiting a confined and secure space of my own for a period of time and Shep would need a bit more makeup than usual the next time he stood in front of a camera.
Haven't watched this weenie
Submitted by Rowane on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 9:07am.
Haven't watched this weenie since hurricane Katrina, have no intention to ever again.
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
OK, they're not depressed and they're not bullied.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:17pm.
So just living in a district that leans Republican is reason enough to kill yourself? Please.
I have to agree with Roberts on one thing, though: I also find studies based on BS "disturbing."
Just a question
Submitted by TheHistorian on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:20pm.
The murder rate is much higher in urban areas than in rural areas? On this basis, is the murder rate of gays much higher in urban areas than rural? If so, I think Columbia needs to study that. Maybe they can waste some more Stimulus money.
Dennis Prager
Yes, and there are more cows in rural areas vs urban areas.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:24pm.
But why?
Cows are homophobic?
Submitted by Dan Diego on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:27pm.
Cows are homophobic?
No more than 3-5% of the general population.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 8:57pm.
But they are very vocal in their demands ;)
→ No Dan
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 9:30pm.
They're homogenized
OH...GROANER ALERT!
Submitted by Rowane on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 9:09am.
OH...GROANER ALERT!
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
Study Concludes That More Straight Conservatives...
Submitted by bigdaddy on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 7:33pm.
...Leap From The Golden Gate Bridge Than Gay Liberals.
Look, I just did a study with a correleation pulled directly from my backside, Yay Me!
Gay suicides caused by gay propaganda?
Submitted by nkviking75 on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 8:28pm.
I wonder how many of those suicides are caused by the propaganda that tells teens that if they have a fleeting moment of homosexual temptation, they are gay and cannot change. I'll bet a lot of those kids would have liked to have a way out.
“Always love your country — but never trust your government!" -- Bob Novak (1931-2009)
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Where is the study of Conservative suicides?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 8:51pm.
Anyone one to bet most are in the litards utopia?
The liberal media is to
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 10:22pm.
The liberal media is to blame. Nothing wrong with being gay but some gay people have become "militant" in throwing "gayness" in everyone's face. LIttle incidents like Ms. America and Perez Hilton tend to piss people off. Renting a movie on Friday night finding out that the opening scene is two gay guys kissing in a shower, talking dirty. Propaganda like the Katy Perry song, "I kissed A Girl and LIked It" or shows like Glee that are obvious propaganda.
Sorry, I can't stop the liberal/Hollywood-gay propaganda from trying to indoctrinate my children but I also can't stop others from being annoyed with it. With annoyance comes hostility so get over it or move to San Fran. Or, you could always keep it to yourself.
There are a lot of people who
Submitted by redfish on Wed, 04/20/2011 - 11:35pm.
There are a lot of people who are bullied besides gay people. Loners, fat kids, kids that dress the wrong way. And that list also includes conservative students who go to schools in liberal school districts, that are bullied because of their politics. Or religious kids who look and act 'weird'.
I was also subject to some bullying in school. I didn't kill myself, I guess I wasn't emotionally imbalanced enough. Nobody is going to do a Los Angeles Times cover story on me though, or a university study on me, because I'm not a cause celebre. Not that I'm complaining, because being bullied help me become a stronger person.
In my school, nobody knew about each others sexuality enough that we could know who was gay and who was straight, anyway. We talked about TV, movies, games, not what gender we liked having sex with.
Also, lets talk about adults bullying other adults.
A teacher at my high school was also picked on because of her religious beliefs and threatened with firing because her beliefs became known. Meanwhile another teacher at the school was a self-declared Maoist and nobody had a problem with him.
And need I mention this : http://www.eightmaps.com/
Wow! What insight!!! So,
Submitted by jdhawk on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 1:00am.
Wow! What insight!!! So, that is why gays are routinely cutting off their heads and stoneing themselves to death in the 22 countries that make up the middle east.
Wait a minute. That's not a conservative area. That's an area run by murdering thugs.
Neve mind . . . .
Memo to MSNBC - new study shows Liberal Cities ...
Submitted by acaiguana on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 7:34am.
Are substantially more dominated by ill-educated, High School Drop Out and rather ignorant student populations and citizens.
The study went on to say that the problem seems to be a rash of low IQ adults and children caused by Democrat government policies in these cities.
The cities include every SMSA on the planet.
Some experts say that this is vile propaganda by the vast Right Wing Conspiracy.
Other experts say that it is just too hard to teach students anything anymore what with their IPods, Guns and Drugs.
ACA
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Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)
This study...
Submitted by Grumpy in Arizona on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 8:33am.
This profound study ranks right up there with the one proving Detroit is the vacation capital of the world.
This is gonna tick some of
Submitted by Rowane on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 8:52am.
This is gonna tick some of you off, if it does oh well.
Cry me a friggin' river. If they "need the support of gay awareness programs" then perhaps they should get OUT of conservative areas.
You've got to stand for something, or you'll fall for anything. (Aaron Tippin)
Real statistics show that
Submitted by Tom Paine on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 1:19pm.
Real statistics show that teenage boys are four times more likely to commit suicide than teenage girls. Girls attempt suicide more often, but they use slow acting methods such as sleeping pills to allow themselves to be found and rescued. Boys are more likely to use a gun or a car.
Have we ever heard anything about the alarming rate of male suicides from the MSM along with an anlaysis of what terrible pressures they face as males that drives them to do it? Nah. Instead, let's look at the gay suicides - now that's a problem. And if we can blame conservatives for it we have a two-fer.
Data Mining
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 2:40pm.
It looks like somebody with an agenda used data obtained from the 2011 Oregon Healthy Teens Survey.
I find the whole survey process to be problematic, at best. The FAQ I linked related to this survey makes for some interesting reading, particularly the part about parental notification and permission regarding this survey:
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Oregon uses an “active notification” with a “passive permission/ passive consent” model for parents. OHT requires that participating schools actively notify the parents of selected students. A letter is sent to the home of each student in the selected grade, either via a mailed letter or email, to inform the parents or guardians of the upcoming survey and give parents a chance to find out more about the survey. The state coalition for OHT suggests that each school make a physical copy of the survey available in either the main office or the counseling office, where parents could visit and view the survey. Parents can also view the survey online at: http://www.oregonhealthyteens.org or at: http://public.health.oregon.gov/BirthDeathCertificates/Surveys/OregonHea....
If the school does not hear from a parent, the survey protocol assumes permission is given by the parent for their student to take the survey.
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The above process sounds like the way my teenage kids used to get away with stuff: "Well, Dad, you didn't say I couldn't do it!"
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
They die of aids predominantly in liberal areas.
Submitted by CobraMan on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 4:21pm.
So, gays commit suicide more often in conservative (rural) areas, eh? Well, there is a trade off. They die of aids, and other STD's, predominantly in liberal, (urban) areas. Just as the CDC about that. By this respect, the chances of a gay man living a full life span is higher in the conservative areas than the liberal areas, especially when you factor in murder rates, car accident rates, accidental drownings, accidental poisonings, building fires, etc. etc. etc...
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
So does this mean that we
Submitted by eaglewingz08 on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 5:45pm.
So does this mean that we should bar gays and lesbians from enrollment in the armed forces which are by nature 'conservative', in order to protect them from committing suicide, and thus we will save their lives?
of course
Submitted by russedav on Thu, 04/21/2011 - 6:06pm.
That's because there they hear some of the truth about their deathstyle and off themselves because they can't either continue in denial or face reality, but there is another way: http://exodus.to
"Conservatives" are as bad as "liberals" about being brainwashed into thinking there's such a thing as the "homosex-/gay" fraud exposed by "The gay invention" at http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-10-036-f
Sadly, so long as "conservatives" continue to be as brainwashed as anyone else, they're as guilty as "liberals" in keeping these poor souls enslaved by imagining the lie of "orientation" versus their God-given freedom, however difficult, to seek His way of family with an opposite-sex partner and, if God wills, kids, to escape the omni-prevalent narcissism of our day.