ABC Slams 'Bizarre,' 'Non-Reality-Based' Birtherism, Didn't Debunk 9/11 Truther Rosie O'Donnell
On Tuesday's Good Morning America, reporter Jake Tapper attacked the "bizarre," "non-reality-based" conspiracy theory about President Obama's birth certificate. Yet, the ABC program has not done a similar expose on the belief that the government was involved with, or knew of, the 9/11 terror plot.
Speaking of the false idea that the President was born somewhere other than Honolulu, Tapper described it as the "bizarre conspiracy theory that is as seemingly persistent as it is erroneous. It is the lie that will not die." In contrast, GMA lacked such outrage for truthers and repeatedly promoted Rosie O'Donnell, ignoring her own weird and baseless agenda.
(Although host George Stephanopoulos did grill conspiracy theorist Jessie Ventura on April 04, 2011 about his truther ideas, the show hasn't devoted a full segment to the topic.)
When O'Donnell, who believes the Twin Towers were taken down by a controlled demolition, appeared on the April 08, 2008 GMA, then-host Diane Sawyer praised the comedienne's "singular" vision. She never mentioned trutherism.
Stopping by the morning show on January 26, 2010, O'Donnell lectured Stephanopoulos to not grill her. He didn't.
On May 29, 2007, the morning show hosts investigated why O'Donnell "really" left The View (her daytime ABC program). They skipped 9/11.
A segment on April 03, 2007 also left out the liberal comic's bizarre theories.
Then-co host Charlie Gibson on May 16, 2002, seemed to flirt with the idea of trutherism when he introduced a story on President Bush:
"This is interesting news that we get now, and it may put the President under a lot of heat today as the public learns that he knew, through his daily CIA intelligence briefings, that bin Laden had potential terror attack plans under way....It also calls into question what happened when Andy Card, Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff, that morning went and whispered in the President's ear, as the President was talking to a group of school students in Florida. Was the President really surprised?"
– Charles Gibson’s introduction and question to White House correspondent Terry Moran on ABC’s Good Morning America, May 16,2002.
A transcript of the April 12 segment, which aired at 7:11am EDT, follows:
ABC GRAPHIC: Obama's Sister Defends President: Speaks Out on "Birther" Controversy"
STEPHANOPOULOS: Even though he may only be toying with the idea of a White House run, Donald Trump is drawing the kind of fire that comes with a full fledged campaign. On Sunday, President Obama's top political advisor called him out for questioning the President's citizenship. And now, Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro-NG, has joined the fray too. Jake Tapper has been following it all from the White House. And, Jake, she's been keeping a fairly low profile. Why take this on now?
JAKE TAPPER: Well, she's on a book tour promoting her children's book when she was asked about this bizarre conspiracy theory that is as seemingly persistent as it is erroneous. It is the lie that will not die, the notion that President Obama was not born in Honolulu in 1961 as stated in his certificate of live birth and backed by the state of Hawaii, contemporaneous birth announcements submitted by the State Department of Health and the President's half sister in an interview that will air tonight on CNN's Piers Morgan.
MAYA SOETORO-NG: I think it's unfortunate. He was born in Hawaii. There is a tremendous amount of proof that has already been accepted. I think that it is time for people to put that to bed, to put it to rest completely.
TAPPER: This time, the birther nonsense was resurrected by real estate developer and would-be Republican presidential Donald Trump, who put forward a number of false accusations, such as the claim that the released certificate of birth does not have a serial number. [Buzzer sound.] Or a signature. [Buzzer sound.] And on and on. Trump is likely doing this to appeal to Republican primary voters. A Fox News poll shows from this month shows that 37 percent of falsely believing the President was not born in the U.S., compared to 47 percent who do. Some Republican officials fear this line of nonsense will undermine the Republican presidential field.
KARL ROVE: This is a mistake. It will marginalize him.
TAPPER: Because while it has an appeal to some in the Republican base, independent voters worried about jobs and the economy, think the birther conspiracy theories are ludicrous.
ROVE: The vast majority of Republicans and the vast majority of Americans accept that he's a U.S. citizen and capable of being President.
PIERS MORGAN: What do you think about Donald Trump banging on about this every day at the moment?
SOETORO-NG: Well, I think it's a shame and I think my brother should definitely be President for a second term.
TAPPER: And, Robin, the concern about Republican officials is that Republican presidential candidates will be forced to respond to this nonsense and they will either pander to the non-reality based, or risk alienating them. And that's a choice no politician ever wants to face. Robin?
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But ....
Submitted by MissMinPhx on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:22pm.
In listening to Donald Trump (and even Sarah Palin a few days ago), they are not so much saying that they don't believe Obama was born in Hawaii, but that there is something on that birth certificate that he doesn't want the public to see. Trump summed it up nicely by saying that Obama has spent a lot of money in legal fees and court challenges to keep people from seeing that birth certificate when all he had to do was spend $12 to release it. But the media still harps on the tired, old "was he born in the US" argument, when the conversation has moved far beyond that and still, no one has answered why Obama fights in court to prevent releasing the full birth certificate. If people would just listen to what Trump is saying, the conversation would be entirely different.
Yep, born there but hiding
Submitted by wolfemanic on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:14pm.
Yep, born there but hiding something is likely correct. Seems even Hawaii is waiting to know what it is and why Obama's COLB reflects "Date Filed by Registrar" and not "Date Accepted by State Registrar", each indicating different legal veracity.
Nonsense?
Submitted by miss911ninja on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:25pm.
If BHO had been born at Kapi' Olani Hospital as he said he was, there would be a shiny commemorative plaque in the lobby, and at least some mention of it on their website. But there is neither.
Correct!!
Submitted by Fraybird on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:42pm.
One would thing anywhere he spent anytime prior to Usurping the Oval Office would be recognized in a significant way, but all stops along the way treat him as a sex offender........very weird.
It's unusual for a person
Submitted by Semus on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:45pm.
It's unusual for a person -let alone a countries president- to disdain their own country, the culture, and most of the people as much he does, and so people wonder where his loyalties lie. Stands to reason, I mean he's doing all he can to speed up the destruction of our infrastructure, and he does nothing but spread despair, our founding fathers were just greedy land owners according to him.
The probably paid Rosie to BE a truther!
Submitted by brutony1 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:31pm.
When has-been untalented Fat Rosefed O'Donuts screamed about being a 9/11 truther, and that it was the first time ever that fire melted steel, did they do ANY reports about that? HELL TO THE NO! But god forbid someone DARE question Der Fuehrers Birth Cert, and holy hell will reign upon our heads, if ABC has anything to do with it!
When will liberals WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE! -Me
Bizarre
Submitted by driguana on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:37pm.
Thanks MissMin, I think you summarized it very well. Ok, here's the deal so that folks like the ones at ABC can get it. I consider myself a "fierce independent"...I like some things and folks on the left and some on the right. I make up my own mind as most of the MSM is pretty mindless. I am well educated with a Master's Degree in Public Policy/Urban and Regional Planning. I started off a Democratic in the 60s, voted a couple of times for Democracts, have never voted for a Republican. But here's the deal....it's not about whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not....it's about who is he? Where did he come from? What experience did he really have? What is his background? What is his education? Why is he not willing to allow this information to come forward? If I ran for public office, I could care less if someone knew a got a D in Greek in college....or that I'm white. Good Grief? What is this man hiding and why does the press hide it FOR him? It is astounding and massively hypocritical. So....as a well-educated, middle of the road American, I am concerned that we elected a president with absolutely no experience in anything....nothing...no foreign policy experience, no fiscal background, no business experience, a moderately good speaker (at best, although we were told otherwise), no mangement experience (other than a campaign)...no nothing. How did this come about and why is there still so much hesitation to divulge his information? That's the point. Give it to us and it will all go away....or will it?
And, to the point of why we
Submitted by celator on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:08pm.
And, to the point of why we talk about this on NewsBusters, if a conservative President were as desperate to hide basic biographical details as Obama is, the MSM would hire thousands of hungry reporters to find out all those details and more.
Instead the MSM, for Obama, place all those who want to know more about Obama into the crazy box in the back yard.
You bet there's something going on.
to the point
Submitted by driguana on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:26pm.
What intrigues me the most about all of this is that let's just say that something would show up that might "prove" that Obama was not "qualified" to be president...that would be the biggest journalist story EVER in the history of the country. Why wouldn't some matthewsian reporter be slobbering all over the opportunity to be the person behind this? Why? For fear of revolution? There wouldn't be a revolution....a revelation, maybe. The country would fall apart? No, it wouldn't. Obama would retaliate? So what, who is he? The the image of Obama would be tarnished? What image.....the image that the media created in the first place? Bottom line is this, what is wrong with "the truth"? Especially in these times.
The birth certificate
Submitted by kinijane on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:39pm.
I wonder if maybe 100 yrs from now if our descendants will be reading about one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the American people by a man who wanted to be president and a news media that had a love affair with him.
I'm convinced that's a true statement
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:57pm.
There is something in Obama's "documents" that disprove his eligibility to hold the position of the presidency. It may not be his birth certificate, but there is something that holds the proof.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Hypocrisy thy name is
Submitted by jpk3 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:53pm.
Liberal, democrat, socialist, journalist, anchor and commentator you name it. Were this anyone else there would be a demand to release all documents besides the birth certificate like his collage papers and such. Does anyone know how many documents he and his wife won’t release?
I still think that his birth
Submitted by Darasen on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 1:56pm.
I still think that his birth certificate labels him as white.
so much effort
Submitted by Tjexcite on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:05pm.
to hid just one pieces of paper when there are thousands that would be produced by some inside operation in the hidden effort to take down 3 towers. Yet no papers showing any smoking gun have been found.
Fact: Obama's grandmother
Submitted by MikeB on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:07pm.
Fact: Obama's grandmother says he was born in Kenya.
Fact: When elected to the Illinois state senate, the HEADLINES in newspapers in Illinois said the senator-elect was Kenyan. That statement was not corrected by the newspaper, nor did Barak make any statement saying the newspaper was wrong.
Fact: Before she was first wookie, Michelle stated that Obama was Kenyan born.
Fact: All Obama has to do to put the "conspiracy theory" to rest is to spend, what, $15 to get a copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate.
Fact: instead of spending the $15 for a copy of his birth certificate, he has spend millions in legal fees to keep it secret.
Conclusion: Considering these facts, a reasonable and prudent person could only conclude that Obama is not a native born American, and is therefore, not qualified to be pResident of the United States of America. This isn't "birtherism", it's common sense.
Oh Brother
Submitted by Rush to Judgement on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:20pm.
It's been 2 years since he became president. 2 years to prove Obama is ineligible for the presidency. 2 years clinging to the hope that he's really Kenyan. Time to think of a new strategy for removing O from office.
clinging
Submitted by driguana on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:31pm.
Sorry, but the only "clinging" going on here is the media "clinging" on to supporting the fact that it's ok not to divulge important information about Barack Obama (he of many names) whoever that actually is.....unbelievable. And, the new strategy, is already in play, Obama will be voted out of office. A charade can only continue until the mask drops. The mask is slipping on a daily basis.
That was enlightening
Submitted by Rush to Judgement on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:52pm.
Or vague. Actually I'm going with vague.
Begorrah, aren't you the brazen one today.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:31pm.
.
Who me?
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:52pm.
Out, Damn Spot!
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
How about the Social Security Number?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:40pm.
Hey Rush to Judgement,
Do you have any information besides the "nothing to see here, move along" argument when it comes to how Obama ended up with a Connecticut social security number?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
K
Submitted by Rush to Judgement on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:08pm.
His father was living in Massachusetts from '62-'64 while attending Harvard. Could be that.
Connecticut
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:14pm.
Not Massachusetts.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
OUCH!!!!!! That's gonna
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:28pm.
OUCH!!!!!!
That's gonna leave a mark.
Blonde, besides needing a better class of troll around here it would be nice to have a smarter one too. It is to easy to show the world how clueless they are.
CT and MA kiss
Submitted by Rush to Judgement on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:52pm.
And if Obama Sr resided in Connecticut during any of those years, voila.
Apparently geography is neither of your fortes.
And IF
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:59pm.
my aunt had a penis she would be my uncle.
Support Our Troops. God bless the US military.
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Apparently you are still clueless
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:08pm.
Barry didn't meet his "real" daddy until 1971, years after Obama Sr. was in Harvard.
Your timeline, as well as your geography, is made up of fairy farts.
Even Wiki states Obama Sr. lived in Cambridge. YOU FAIL.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
And, from what I've read,
Submitted by UpNorth on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:23pm.
I doubt that Barry's daddy cared enough to get him a SS number. And, reading about his mother, I can't find any mention of her living anywhere near Connecticut, or Massachusetts either.
But, I guess we're supposed to accept liberal logic here, if his daddy lived there, that just has to explain why Barry's got a number from that area.
Barry's Momma
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:26pm.
...lived in Washington State for a bit after she split from BO's dad....then she marriede Lolo Sotero and moved to Indonesia.
No one can explain the CT social security number. I also find BHO's Selective Service forms to be somewhat, ahem, fascinating. Supposedly 2008 forms.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
More on Obama's (multiple?) SS#s
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:42pm.
Here is some more conjecture on Obama's possible use of multiple Social Security numbers:
The Mystery of Barack Obama Continues
Maybe people like Rush to Judgement think that it's OK to use more then one SS#, but most Americans frown on that sort of stuff. I think the Social Security number issue is far more problematic for Obama should any of this information pan out.
But hey, if he couldn't remember if there were 57, or 58, or 50 states, maybe he just kept forgetting his SS# and just put down anything when he filled out some paperwork. That's probably what happened.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Rosie O'Donnell
Submitted by johnsonl on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:41pm.
grows more pig-like as the years pass.
"Speaking of the false idea
Submitted by Callawyn on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:45pm.
"Speaking of the false idea that the President was born somewhere other than Honolulu"
So, based on that statement, you must have evidence that Obama was born in Honolulu? Why don't you release it and put an end to these 'birther' questions. No one else has seen his birth certificate, but you seem certain that it must exist. Based on what, exactly?
For the record, "Birthers" are NOT conspiracy theorists. Stop comparing them to 9/11 Truthers. "Birthers" are simply asking to see proof that Obama actually meets the Constitutional Requirements of his office. Proof that he *should* have been required to present prior to having his name appear on the ballot (just as McCain was challenged 8 years before, due to having been born in Panama, and submitted proof on the floor of the Senate).
Has it not occured to you that the reason why Obama has spent millions in court preventing any ruling that would require him to release his long form Birth Certificate, rather than spending $12 to have it released, is because it doesn't exist and never has? How is this not the most likely scenario? Didn't Governor Abercrombie, a lifelong Obama friend and ally, tell a reporter just a few months ago that he searched and could find no evidence that it existed? (he retracted the statement after it became national news).
There are numerous scenarios to explain his birth, none of which have solid proof, and Obama has done much to obfuscate the issue (he's been caught in several lies) and nothing to clarify it. It would be nice if journalists would at least acknowledge that Obama's own claims are NOT the only likely scenario (or even the most likely scenario, as I'll show below), rather than just mindlessly vilifying anyone that mentions the issue while offering no evidence whatsoever of their own.
The fact is, Obama's citizenship is still an open question more than two years after he took office. If you are not absolutely outraged over this, then you have no right to ever pretend that you care about the Constitution of the United States.
Remember, Obama's half-sister was born in Indonesia, a citizen of that country, O's mother then brought her to Hawaii and the state issued a "Certificate of Live Birth" for her. Didn't make her a citizen though, did it. Back then Hawaii would issue a "Certificate of Live Birth" to, literally, anyone that asked for one. Chiang Kai Shek got one too, despite having been born in China and never claiming to be other than a citizen of China. How'd she know that she could do that? Perhaps she'd already done it once before. Its known that his mother was still in Kenya while 9 months pregnant and that at least one airline refused to issue a ticket for her due to her advanced state of pregnancy and the duration of the trip. If she had her baby in Kenya and then travelled to Hawaii to get a Certificate of Live Birth (note that she could NOT have gotten a long form Birth Certificate unless she actually gave birth in Hawaii), then Obama is not a citizen, natural born or otherwise. He would have been born a citizen of the British Empire, due to his father being Kenyan and his mother not being old enough or having lived long enough in the US to confer US Citizenship under the US Laws in force at the time.
If Obama was actually born in Hawaii (as he claims) in a hospital (as he also claims) he wouldn't have a "Certificate of Live Birth" at all. He would have been issued a long form Birth Certificate instead, that includes such basic information needed to establish citizenship as time and place of birth and the signatures of witness to the event.
Obama claims that he was born at Kapi' Olani Hospital, hospital records (which are thorough and do go back that far and beyond) disprove this assertion. Also, the doctors at the hospital at the time are still alive and as lucid as ever and they are on record stating that Obama's story is not true - he was not born at the Hospital. His campaign claimed that his 'Birth Certificate' was destroyed in a fire. The State of Hawaii has stated that no such fire ever took place and they've never lost birth records due to any fire.
Defenders of O's supposed Hawaiian birth point to 2 things, neither of which are evidence of anything whatsoever. 1) His Certificate of Live Birth, which as I pointed out above he wouldn't even have if he were born in a Hawaiian Hospital as he claims - they'd have issued a Birth Certificate, and NOT the CoLB. 2) The newspaper report of his birth. This was based on a submission by his mother. Considering its more likely that she gave birth in Kenya and then flew to Hawaii to get the CoLB and then sent an announcement to be printed in the paper (its not like they actually checked to verify if he was actually born in Hawaii, they simply took the mother's word (and money) and printed the announcement. So, the announcement in the paper also fails to establish his place of birth, and therefore his citizenship. Granted, he may have been born at 'home' in Hawaii, which would explain the lack of hospital records and the CoLB rather than Birth Certificate but no such claim has ever been advanced and it is known that his mother and grandparents were fairly wealthy and would not have avoided a hospital due to financial considerations.
Defenders of O's supposed Hawaiian birth also point out that there is no actual evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. That's true. Of course, there's no actual evidence that he was born in Hawaii either. What little information we have, coupled with the proven lies of Obama and his own campaign staff, indicate that it is more likely that the official version is a pure fabrication.
But, we're not allowed to know. We're not even allowed to ask - and that's the real outrage. We're being silenced even by supposed 'conservative' journalists. We ask a legitimate question and are met with "shut up you lunatic" as a response. Well, surprise surprise, such responses are not very satisfying and don't make the issue go away.
Really, who's job is it to verify that presidential candidates meet the Constitutional requirements? Clearly, its no one's job. The states figure its a federal issue (though some states are trying to pass laws to require their Secretary of State to verify or not allow the name on the ballot). SCOTUS punted, refused to take up the issue. There are no federal or state laws at this time requiring anyone to actually check to verify that the Constitutional requirements are met. Clearly, we can't trust the media to vet a candidate - they were almost universally huge backers of his candidacy.
Again, Mr Whitlock, if you have any actual evidence to support your claim that Obama was born in Honolulu, there are millions of Americans that would very much like to see it. You can't possibly back up your statement, can you?
Never have so many rumors, distortions, half-truths,
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:19pm.
misstatements, groundless allegations, debunked theories, twisted facts, and laughable conclusions been jammed into a single NewsBusters post. Congratulations. No wonder you chose not to link even one source.
I linked this article yesterday. Maybe you missed it.
Jer
Well Jer,
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:36pm.
I wouldn't say that your link puts an end to the debate.
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/28/hi-ag-denies-having-information-s...
I personally don't think there is anything to this, but for the life of me I cannot understand why he just doesn't release it and put it to rest once and for all.
NC Cop
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:10pm.
If you read all of the statements, correspondence and other information linked at this clearly pro-birther website, you'll discover there isn't anything to the "revelations" by The Post & Email either--except the editors' overblown spin.
Jer
Well, he clearly catches the
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:14pm.
Well, he clearly catches the good Dr. in a lie when she says her statement was checked by the Attorney General, does he not?
As far as a "clearly pro-birther" website, I wouldn't be trashing too many websites if I were linking my beliefs to MSNBC. Just a thought.
Clearly caught in a lie?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:40pm.
Not so clear. It requires buying into all of the assumptions and extrapolations made by the folks at P & E.
Jer
As opposed to buying into all
Submitted by NC Cop on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 9:36pm.
As opposed to buying into all those at the unbiased and completely balanced MSNBC?????
Whatever you have to do to convince yourself.
And speaking of half-truths
Submitted by Motormouth KOS on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:21pm.
First, your dopey link was where?
MSNBC?
Second, if that Hawaiian "official" actually inspected the "half-typed, half-handwritten original"...
why can't they show it?
Keep drinking the kool aid.
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Did you finish reading the article, Motormouth?
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:36pm.
or did you have to stop in the middle of it to run over to World Nut Daily for a quick fix of paranoia?
The concluding paragraphs of the linked article generally address your concerns:
But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general's office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of "vital records," including an original "record of live birth" — even to the individual whose birth it records.
"It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody," he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.
But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated "certification of live birth" form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.
Jer
Jer Lies Again.
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:32pm.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=285921
Read it and weep. Others have received their long-form birth certs because they asked, and they've done so recently.
Wisch is lying.
Fukino is lying.
You are lying.
Visions and Principles blog
Ah yes...Tenebrous once again demonstrates his genius for
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:59pm.
the personal attack.
Exactly where and how am I "lying", son?
Jer
false idea...
Submitted by driguana on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:17pm.
Awesome response, Callawyn. Yes, Mr. Whitlock, stand up now...be a man....bring your information forward. Could make you the most famous journalist of all times! Do it!
So
Submitted by Rush to Judgement on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:27pm.
Your theory explains that Obama's mother, having just given birth to a baby boy, had the foresight to jump on a plane, doctor a birth certificate and 2 newspaper announcements in anticipation of her son's future career in politics?
So where is the motive? Obama would be a US citizen no matter where he was born because his mother was a US citizen. The only reason for falsifying birth records in this case would have been to prove his status as Natural Born, which would only matter in the case of a presidential bid.
No.
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:31pm.
Because she was 18 at the time of the birth, she could not confer US Citizenship on the kid, she would have to be 19 to do so.
The State Department declared the Chairman to be a dual citizen too.
-Jon
I don't think that's true.
Submitted by The Irishman on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:42pm.
Can you source it?
It's true.
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:03pm.
Jer
America.gov
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:23pm.
It was on the America.gov site written by someone in the state department, but I'm having trouble locating it.
-Jon
As I stated earlier...
Submitted by Callawyn on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:32pm.
"Obama would be a US citizen no matter where he was born because his mother was a US citizen".
That's not true. If Obama was born anywhere on US Soil he'd be a citizen of the US, if not he'd have been born a citizen of the British Empire, and the British Empire only. His father was Kenyan, his mother was 1) Too Young and 2) had spent too few years in the US, to confer citizenship on her Barack if he was born outside the US, under the US Laws in force at the time of his birth. So, there's your motive. She wanted him to have US Citizenship. And no, that doesn't require her to have a crystal ball giving her foreknowledge of his presidential ambitions. She had US Citizenship and wanted her son to have it too.
"The only reason for falsifying birth records in this case would have been to prove his status as Natural Born"
Also not true. As stated above, he'd have been a British Citizen. Period. Not a US citizen and not a dual citizen. If not born on US soil, Barack Obama is not now, nor has he ever been, a citizen of these United States. You'd think that would be big news if true and that reporters would be digging to find out. But, he's their man and they clearly don't want to know.
"doctor a birth certificate and 2 newspaper announcements"
She wouldn't have needed to do anything of the sort. As I stated above, the State of Hawaii, for years, gave CoLB's to anyone that asked for them for their infants (and even some adults), included many people that didn't bother to hide their foreign citizenship. All she would have had to do was show up with baby Barack and ask for a CoLB, she could have sent the birth announcement to the newspaper at any time. Its not like anyone at the papers actually did any checking of any sort. You send an announcement and pay a small fee, and they print it.
Again, note well that Obama's mother did exactly the same thing with his half sister. She was born in Indonesia of an Indonesian father. After she was born, she got on a plane and flew to Hawaii to get her infant a CoLB. She is not an American citizen and has never claimed to be.
I have no idea where Obama was born. But then again, neither does anyone that insists he was born in Hawaii. All I'm saying, is that of the two theories the 'official' version has a number of inconsistancies and is therefore probably less likely. Most of the people that insist O was born in Hawaii haven't done anyone homework on the issue at all: the big clue here is anyone that obfuscates the CoLB with a long form BC, like the propagandists at Factcheck.org that claim to have 'inspected' the Birth Certificate when, in fact, they were shown a CoLB. Not that they brought any experts along, just a couple reporters from the website that wouldn't know a fraud from a real document if their lives depended on it. Assuming it was a real CoLB, it still proves nothing - you can't use a CoLB to establish citizenship. Reason why is simple: it has no time/place of birth recorded on it, nor does it have witness signatures on it.
It will be interesting next year if several states pass, as they are trying to do, bills that require their Sec State to verify Constitutional minimums before allowing a candidate's name to appear on a ballot. Obama will either have to submit a long form Birth Certificate or not appear on the ballot for his re-election bid in some states.
assumption on duality
Submitted by jon_torlin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:44pm.
I had tossed this suggestion out a few times in the past along with some others and I keep forgetting that, but yeah, given the circumstances you detailed, which has been discussed before, there's a very strong possibility that he's not even a US citizen.
I remember that one townhall meeting where that one congressman(or senator) that swore up and down that the Chairman was a citizen of this country and the people in that townhall just about eviscerated the guy because they didn't believe it(with good reason as you detailed). It was an older guy, had dark suit and glasses, was standing at the microphone when he said it as opposed to being seated. I can remember the scene, it was youtubed too.
So he could very well be our first illegal alien president. Calling him African American would be incorrect. Calling him African Kenyan is more correct.(or is it Kenyan African, I get that confused sometimes)
-Jon
Barack Obama has been President (God help us) for the
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 2:51pm.
last two years, which makes the issue irrelevant and the argument a loser. In the end, it only hurts Republicans and helps Democrats via their friends in the MSM. Not to mention that it makes Donald Trump look like an idiot!
The Donald may say he loves America but he'll always love himself more.
In the eyes of the Left-Stream media
Submitted by Callawyn on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 3:24pm.
I'm no Trump supporter - I'm convinced he's a liberal businessman that thinks he must be a Republican simply because he's a businessman. His claim to being a 'Conservative' rests entirely on his protectionist position vis-a-vis China. Of course, Conservatives stand for Free Trade, its the private sector unions and the Democrats they own that stand for Protectionism.
But, he "looks like an idiot" only to the Leftist Media that functions as propagandists for Obama. Remember, when Trump said "I want to see the Birth Certificate" on The View, the audience vociferously agreed.
I'm not sure this is a losing issue for him (or anyone else). If what, 1/3 of Americans are currently convinced that he is NOT a citizen, then what % would you guess think that he should Show the Birth Certificate? I'd guess at least 2/3 if not 3/4 of Americans firmly believe he should have been required to prove his citizenship prior to taking office, if not prior to having his name on the ballot.
The only way Obama can really win on this if Trump keeps pushing it would be to actually release the Birth Certificate and prove him wrong. Of course, if said BC doesn't exist then this isn't an option is it?
Remember, McCain didn't have the stones to challenge Obama on this, or on much of anything else, and he got slaughtered. If Trump or another candidate goes on the campaign trail proclaiming Obama is "Not even a Citizen", and Obama has nothing to disprove that assertion, that could be a winning issue right there.
Right now, the Propagandists for Socialist Tyranny (aka the MSM) have made the issue taboo. Anyone that raises the issue is branded a conspiracy nut. Trump could change that, take the issue mainstream and make it a legit topic for debate. If he achieves nothing else in his candidacy, he will have done this nation a great service.
Maybe McCain didn't have the stones
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:22pm.
Maybe McCain didn't have the stones to challenge the issue because the "proof" he submitted regarding his own eligibility was inconclusive [contrary to your suggestion in your initial magnus opus post].
Jer
As far as I'm concerned
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:58pm.
The only thing McCain and Obama have in common is that they both suck. Regardless, McCain lost, Obama won, and the birth certificate issue is moot!
Just an fyi, but moot =
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:13pm.
Just an fyi, but moot = debatable.
But only in a theoretical sense
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:33pm.
and has no actual or real-world significance.
ProudAmerican's usage of the term in expressing his opinion about the issue was correct.
Jer
Not really.
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 7:43pm.
Not really.
Then let me clarify my feelings on this issue, Satchmo:
Submitted by ProudAmerican58 on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 2:36am.
IT'S DOA, A LOSER, IRRELEVENT!
He's President, which makes me puke enough without having Donald Trump bring up something that only helps our opponents and in the end, will only hurt America!
LET IT GO!
The Constitution is not
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 7:43pm.
The Constitution is not irrelevant.
The certificate is far from Moot...
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:18pm.
What if the Russians or the Chinese somehow obtained or have a copy of his real long form BC? Could they not use this as blackmail? Could the Russians use this to push Obama into a new "START" treaty that is in favor of the Russians? The framers wanted a NBC to be president so there would not be ANY question as to his/her allegiance. Do you think Obama's allegiance is with the US based on his behavior (bowing to foriegn leaders) and statements that he has made?
I feel personally his real BC, if it exists, probably has Father: unknown. Which makes his name-sake and his real father a fabribcation.
Support Our Troops. God bless the US military.
http://adoptaplatoon.org/
Which means the Registrar who falsely certified the
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:13pm.
document wilfully and deliberately perpetrated a spectacular fraud and would very likely be subjected to criminal penalties including a stay in the slammer. Which renders your speculation highly improbable.
Jer
No, Jer, the World Doesn't Work like That.
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:42pm.
What would have been his crime at the time he committed it? Certifying a false document. With a little money under the table, it's the sort of thing that happens from time to time. There's no "spectacular" about it, because his parents were nobody of significance at the time. And wouldn't the statue of limitations have run out by now? See, you conflate what happened then with its relevance today. And as far as criminal penalties go, the only crimes that are punished are those that are pursued. If no-one brings the charges, then the criminal gets away with it, and that's exactly the root of the matter. No-one is bringing charges, and very few are talking about it, out of fear (real or imagined).
If you want to discuss probabilities, you have the first hurdle in this whole debate to clear which you haven't -- why spend millions of dollars in multiple court cases to keep hidden what poses no threat to you? Clearly, something in that document -- or something to be discovered during the evidentiary phase of the trial -- poses a threat to Obama.
The most likely explanation is what I just said.
Visions and Principles blog
Tenebrous...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:53pm.
I was referring to the certification by the Registrar in 2007.
BTW...I hope there is some follow-up on the b/c's you linked earlier which were different and contained far more info than did Obama's CoLB.
Jer
Your correct, I do not
Submitted by wolfemanic on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:16am.
Jer, your correct, I do not believe anyone is committing fraud. The Registrar and the State Registrar are two different levels of authentication, the "Registrar" alone does not certify anything. Until the ‘State Registrar’ accepts and takes custody of the record, it is only a non-valid ‘application’ for a ‘Late Birth Certificate’ in procedural limbo, so to speak, and in the sole custody of the ‘Registrar. The Registrar did his job, he gathered and filed the information as required, but something is stopping the State Registrar from accepting it or that would be reflected on the online COLB. Nothing is valid unless "Accepted by State Registrar", and there is only one.... Dr. Fukino. Her stamp/seal on the back is only stating that its a true record of what is on file...nothing more, it does not indicate she has accepted it.
Actually, wolfemanic...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 2:05am.
I think your analysis is superior to mine--certainly more detailed and informative. But I was expanding on what others have suggested, i.e. that the original entries contradict the information appearing on the CoLB which was certified and released in 2007, published on the POTUS website [?] and subsequently inspected and reviewed by factcheck.org.
If there were material discrepancies--of which Hawaiian DOH officials were aware--resulting in a false certification of the document issued four years ago, then somebody is in a heap of trouble. Make that several somebodies.
But at this point I still find the elaborate conspiracy necessary to further the scheme to be implausible.
Jer
Oh gimme a break.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:10pm.
Both McCain's father and grandfather were four-star admirals.
Obama's mother was a free-range hippie who married a Kenyan national.
And no, I'm not really a birther, it's just that that was a pretty ludicrous quid pro quo.
I wasn't offering it as a quid pro quo...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:49pm.
but if you want "ludicrous" you needn't look beyond basing presidential eligibility--at least in part-- on the military rank of one candidate's grandaddy and on his opponent's having a flower-child mom.
Jer
LOL. Was the grandaddy born in America?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:54pm.
.
I don't know, SoL...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:25pm.
but I've decided to suspend any further communication between us until I have seen your original long-form birth certificate. I have it on good authority that "SickofLibs" is NOT your real name.
Jer
All things considered, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:03pm.
I would pick someone with a military background, to be a politician, over a flower child hippie type.
At least initially.
After a term or two, it becomes horrendously apparent that it is not always cream that rises to the top.
MD
Lee Harvey Oswald For President!
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 6:16pm.
Jer
At least Lee Harvey Oswald's M1---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:56pm.
was a tad different than Slick Willie's; which, if I recall, wore a blue dress when called to duty.
MD
Uh-oh, Matthew....
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 8:26pm.
You're going to force me to post that "Who Served" link again. It doesn't paint a pretty picture of the Vietnam era Repubs.
Jer
Post away, Jer---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 8:58pm.
Just don't complain later that I forced you to do so. :o)
Generational differences aside, stupid people are stupid people regardless of ideology.
My point was, that at one point, Lee Harvey Oswald may well have been looked upon as a patriotic citizen doing the right thing by serving in the military.
His ultimate reckoning in history will not likely mark his military service as any great accomplishment relative the infamy that is now forever his.
Had William Jefferson Clinton, even allowing for the man's machiavellian political instincts and liberal Democrat accomplishments; ever even served in the military rather than stating he "loathed" it, the end result is that he will never be recognized more for presidential acumen and ability than for Oval Office hi-jinks and cheating on his wife while wearing that once esteemed political laurel wreath.
As far as "Viet Nam era Repubs', I would be astonished if anyone could come up with a list of political office-holders of either Party during that time that would fit equally well on a list of "most venerated" politicians in American history.
So, post away.
MD
Naah...it's just TOO embarrassing
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 9:06pm.
for a conservative website. I'll save it until I'm really PO'd about something. ;-)
Jer
Childish Reasoning
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:51pm.
You think you can strip away deeply-held ideals by exposing failures of commitment to those ideals, but that's not how it works -- as a quick study of Rome, or the Soviet Union, would show. You err completely and fundamentally.
Visions and Principles blog
Reasoning
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:50pm.
Childish or otherwise is not to be expected from Jer. So relax, it aint you,,,,,,,
Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:06am.
Is that the type of gratuitious snarky aside you had in mind when complaining about my lack of replies?
You've only posted about 500 of them.
I need the internet equivalent of a BULLSHIT rubber stamp.
Jer
That wasnt a direct question?
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:21am.
Your BS about snark dont hide the fact.
Jer, you refuse to defend your ideology, or abandon it.
Face it, you refuse to answer, because you havent any.
Chubby is calling
Boudin...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:34am.
Present me with an example of a straightforward, unsnarky question from you which went unanswered by me, and it very likely will be one I inadvertently overlooked.
Jer
Fetch em yourself
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:21pm.
Dont presume to give me a task.
But no fear Jer, I will present you with ample opportunities to defend your ideology and the morons who want to impose it on the rest of us.
Studied them both, and I
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:57pm.
Studied them both, and I suspect far more extensively than you.
Jer
No doubt
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:06am.
I never felt the need to weigh truth, against my ideology.
I congratulate you on your supposed superior education, that extra must of been tough.
Jer ,,,,you know how much I respect you, so seriously, congrats.
Not nearly as much as I respect
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:08am.
you, Boudin.
Seriously.
Jer
I know
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:12am.
And am touched,,,,,,,,,,, in way's I wont elaborate on.
I understand, but it's OKAY
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:21am.
I understand, but it's OKAY if it's really necessary.
Jer
Nice, but predictable
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 9:33pm.
The left always runs for the gutter when they cant make make a coherent point?
Are you out of your mind?
Submitted by Callawyn on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:47pm.
Both of McCain's parents were US Citizens (his father was an Admiral) and he was born in the Canal Zone, prior to Carter giving it back to Panama. He was a US Citizen at birth. He would still have been a US Citizen at birth if his mother had given birth in the Kremlin during a visit to the USSR. If you think that he had inconclusive proof, you are completely ignorant of the relevant laws. Frankly, after a ludicrous remark like that, its hard to take anything you might say seriously.
Callawyn...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 8:20pm.
Your juvenile rant adds not one sliver of clarity to what is an unsettled area of Constitutional Law. Did you even bother to read the Washington Post article, or do you simply eschew links altogether? You quite obviously have no intention of cluttering up your 'BS piled on top of BS' fact-challenged screeds with time-consuming sourcing.
I had and have absolutely no problem with John McCain's eligibilty, and neither did Ted Olson, Laurence Tribe or the U.S. Senate. You, however, have demonstrated an advanced case of intellectual laziness which is only partially masked by your ability to regurgitate birther-inspired fables.
Jer
Intellectual Laziness Is Your Middle Name
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:58pm.
Obama has spent millions in multiple court cases to hide something that he feels will damage him. The more you look at the particulars of each case, the more strange things you will discover. If you want to talk about intellectual laziness, you have it in spades! Someone who won't investigate Obama's motivations for the cover-up has no right to talk!
Visions and Principles blog
Tenebrous...You are still #1 [by far] in the rankings of
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:13pm.
the practitioners of the ambush smear. Think of the 2000 Tiger Woods....He had no serious challenger for the top spot then nor do you face one now.
Relax. You can coast for awhile.
Jer
I don't consider the
Submitted by Satchmo on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 5:10pm.
I don't consider the Constitution irrelevant, and make no mistake, this is a Constitutional issue.
Hi.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 9:53pm.
Apparently no one cares.
Well, SoL, having lined up my cursor adjacent to the left
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:03pm.
edge of Satch's post and scrolled way up the thead, I have concluded his comment was addressed to me.
And I still don't care.
Jer
Jer, preemptive alert
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:21pm.
My post below isnt addressed to you either.
But I believe I do have quite a few post elsewhere, left unanswered, that were addresses to you?
Incorrect. I was responding
Submitted by Satchmo on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 7:40pm.
Incorrect. I was responding to '58 who said the issue is irrelevant.
My apologies...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:47pm.
Adjusted scroller, aligned cursor, held mouse rock-solid steady, and repeated post-reply calibration process.
It was actually a response to #51--which was a content-related antecedent to #58.
Jer
Like Abortion?
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 9:56pm.
Hnnn
One Must Wonder
Submitted by justbob223 on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:22pm.
The more the Left squeals about the issue of Obama's birth and eligibility, the more I am convinced that they are terrified of the issue. If there is nothing to it, why has Obama spent millions preventing anyone from publishing the original long-form document as well as all the other documents relating to the events of his life which other presidents have revealed without being forced to? What is he hiding?
Just how far Left is World Net Daily, justbob...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:09pm.
because it has been the squealer-in-chief for the birther movement over the past three years.
Jer
JUST FOR FUN
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 10:27pm.
I have one of their magnetic bumper stickers on my door. The discouragement it has brought has been a blessing!
You're Slipping, Jer...
Submitted by Tenebrous on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 11:02pm.
...because that last post made no sense. The left, being terrified of the birth issue, has been covering it up and running away from the issue at warp speed. WND, of course, is not a leftist group or party, and they would have no reason to run from the issue. Again, we see the juvenile logic on display: when you can't refute what WND says, call them names. I'm glad to see that name-calling is what you're reduced to. Still can't clear that first hurdle, can you, Jer?
Visions and Principles blog
If Obozo was a republican
Submitted by ghost of Mary J... on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 4:55pm.
the media WOULD NOT STOP asking him why he has not released this information. They would ask at EVERY turn. He would be hounded until he produced the documents. The media labels them "birthers" so they DON'T have to ask the questions. It gives them an out.
Support Our Troops. God bless the US military.
http://adoptaplatoon.org/
Exactly!
Submitted by Callawyn on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 7:50pm.
That pretty much nails it. That's exactly why the issue will still be relevant on this site, regardless of how it pans out.
Trump didn't say Obama was
Submitted by deerjerkydave on Tue, 04/12/2011 - 9:16pm.
Trump didn't say Obama was not born in America, he only QUESTIONED it.
Remember how the liberal media went bananas over Bush and his time spent with the National Guard? Dan Rather got fired from CBS over it. But now that the shoe is on the other foot....
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"The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the Federal Government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State Governments are numerous and indefinite. -James MadisonObama brought this on himself
Submitted by mostlymoderate on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 12:39am.
Obama brought this on himself because he has failed to show the real birth certificate. I think Obama probably WAS born in Hawaii but there is something else on that birth certificate that he doesn't want the American people to know. People want to know what.
Bad News
Submitted by kilrod on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 2:31am.
http://randysright.wordpress.com/2011/04/12/bad-news-for-obama-1890-ss-number-traced-to-dead-man-in-hi/
Fricking libturd dimocraps, crapping all over the place, stealing SS numbers, hiding their on birth certificates.........~~~~>!
(grins) kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
repulsive behavior is expected of the sow that is Rosie O.
Submitted by thescoots on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 8:47am.
Whenever the pig opens her mouth, everyone on the left and the right fully expects to get anti-Republican, anti-conservative vomit hurled at them. It is such an established standard that it is accepted as the norm. Since it is normal that Her Sowness be a 8/11 truther....it isn't newsworthy to even mention it.
Republicans are always held to a higher and different standard. Its OK to point it out, as this site does...but we shouldn't whine about it. Whining is an inherently liberal trait...as it should be.
Hi Squirrel
Submitted by The Irishman on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:08am.
What an impressive concentration of birthers! Goldmine, really.
Gee, Zippers, you broke in that new saddle in record time.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 04/13/2011 - 10:40am.
.
"birthers" Typical liberal
Submitted by Smartypants on Fri, 04/15/2011 - 3:05pm.
"birthers" Typical liberal strategy: When you cannot defend a position with evidence and logic, attempt to discredit the opposition at all cost. The creation of this moniker--birthers--is nothing but an attempt to marginalize anyone who questions Obama's origin. This "birther" nonsense is from the same crowd that felt Sarah Palin's daughters pregnancy was an issue worth pursuing, so much so that teams of reporters were dispatched to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin and her family; however, the actual birthplace of someone running for president was not worthy of any such investigation.
At the end of the day, the purpose of this website is not to establish where Barack Obama was born but to point out outrageous examples of media double-standards. In the case of Obama's birth certificate, this has been accomplished. The same media that questioned GW Bush's military record based upon fraudulent documentation (and very little else) now shows no curiosity about our president's birthplace, which could render him Constitutionally ineligibile. The left wing contributors here are off-base on this one, more so than usual. The media is in the tank for Obama; this is true regardless where he was born.