Is there nothing MSNBC can’t spin? A graphic on Tuesday’s Morning Meeting hopefully announced, "NY-23: Win-Win For Dems?" Apparently, even if Democrats lose the special congressional election in New York to Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman, it will just show how extreme the Republican Party has become.
In a not-exactly-balanced segment, host Dylan Ratigan talked to Representative and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Chris Van Hollen, liberal blogger Arianna Huffington and Professor Tom Schaller, who has written a book on how Democrats can win without the south.
The interview seemed very similar to one that appeared on Friday’s Situation Room on CNN. That program featured a graphic that read: "If The Dems Lose Next Week: How it might help them in the long run." And that followed an October 6 blog by ABC reporter Claire Shipman in which she speculated that President Obama losing Chicago’s Olympic bid was also a good thing:
Story Continues Below Ad ↓The Chicago loss is actually a win? I know. It’s hard to wrap your head around it. I got a sense of this as I test-drove my counter-intuitive (yet brilliant) theory by my baffled and distracted husband over the weekend. I figured he’d surely see the logic. After all, he’s now a spin doctor himself–Communications Director for VP Biden.
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It’s an especially good thing because it punctures his detractors ballooning and poisonous envy. Opponents, gleeful about their rivals’ embarrasement [sic], become a bit less hazardous. In the meantime, everyone else can empathize, which sometimes makes the heart grow–more sympathetic.
On Tuesday’s program, the liberal hosts and guests eagerly agreed with each other. Van Hollen suggested that the surging candidacy of Hoffman means that "there is no room for moderates in the Republican party. What was once an endangered species is now virtually extinct within the party. " Schaller made sure to point out that the Republicans had run a "hard-core conservative" gubernatorial candidate in New Jersey.
[Special thanks to MRC intern Mike Sargent for transcribing the segment.]
A transcript of the November 3 segment, which aired at 9:37am EST, follows:
DYLAN RATIGAN: Joining us, Maryland Democratic congressman Chris Van Hollen, chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, also rejoining the meeting, Arianna Huffington. Tom Schaller here, political science professor at the University of Maryland, author of the book "Whistling Past Dixie," and Jonathan Capehart. Representative Van Hollen, I will begin with you. How do you view, how are you interpreting first the upstate race and then the balance of the off-season election?
MSNBC Graphic: NY-23: Win-Win For Dems?
CHRIS VAN HOLLEN (D-MD): Well, the upstate race, the news – the big news has already happened which is what you were talking about, was the message that was sent loud and clear that there is no room for moderates in the Republican party. What was once an endangered species is now virtually extinct within the party. That was the message the Republicans sent to Dede Scozzafava when they essentially threw her under the bus in support of the conservative party candidate. And as a result, her support collapsed. So I think that sends signal around the country in all these Republican primaries that, moderates beware because the party has essentially been taken over by the far right.
RATIGAN: Tom Schaller, do you agree with that?
TOM SCHALLER (University of MD, Political science professor): : Well, I certainly forecast this in my book. The problem that we have seen over the last 30 or 40 years for the Republicans is this re-sorting where they gained in the south, and of course many conservative Democrats lost there over the last few decades, but in the northeast and the midwest, we've seen a decline of the old Bob Dole, Bob Michael, Gerald Ford wing of the party, as Congressman Van Hollen said. And so, indeed, in the greater northeast, to include New York, you only have three Republicans out of 51 seats. That's a huge advantage for the Democrats in trying to keep a majority in Congress. So, it is a problem. I think the larger message of this cycle with just the three races, or three main races, is that it's really about the Republicans right now. You have three different kind of Republican candidates. In Virginia, you have a candidate who has run to northern Virginia, he has touted his northern Virginia roots. He realized he had to move to the center, he's disowned his sort of cultural conservatives, culture war politics, and he is doing pretty well. You have a hard-core conservative in New Jersey, we'll see if he wins. I think Chuck Todd is right, that will be the biggest scare for Democrats, if Jon Corzine loses. And then in New York you have a third-party candidate moving in, and Sarah Palin and others. And so what is really happening here is less about the Democrats and Obama and even Chris Van Hollen and the Democrats in Congress. I think it's an internal party struggle with different variations on those themes in Virginia and New Jersey and New York-23.
RATIGAN: Arianna, as you watch some of the splintering start to manifest, whether it's New Democrats that have come in relative to some of the old-guard Democratic party, or what we are seeing today with, again, splintering inside the Republican party, politically and socially, how do you think either the Democrats or the Republicans or anybody, anybody else in the political universe takes advantage of that splintering to improve the system as opposed to allows the splintering to start to really destroy the system?
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON: Well, first of all, everybody in both parties has to recognize, Dylan, that these are all manifestations of a broken system. And people are trying to reposition themselves. I would love to ask the Congressman, how worried are you as an incumbent Congressman, about the growing disaffection out there, about the concern with the bailouts, the concern with the fact that we don't have a level playing field, that different rules that apply to the elite than to ordinary Americans losing their jobs and losing their homes, how concerned are you about that wave and how it's going to affect your majority in 2010?
VAN HOLLEN: Well I think you put your finger on a very good point, which is that we need to respond to the genuine frustration and anger in many parts of the country about exactly that kind of sentiment, that those who helped cause the financial crisis are the ones who have been able to turn their situation around the fastest, and the people who are not responsible for it on main street are still struggling. And I think as we put together a package in terms of revising the oversight procedures of the financial sector, which is what we are working on in the House of Representatives right now, we need to send a clear message that the old business as usual is not going to happen anymore. That's one of the big battles, as you know, we have shaping up in the House.
—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.




















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→ Rush
November 3, 2009 - 13:15 ET by Cool ArrowRush is slamming this whole spin machine right now. It's pretty funny.
ACORN - creating or saving votes since 1970
I can't stop laughing, he's
November 3, 2009 - 13:17 ET by pwozI can't stop laughing, he's 1000000000% right!
→ #1 Moderate moment
November 3, 2009 - 13:19 ET by Cool Arrow#1 Colin Powell endorses Obama.
Ain't it the truth?
ACORN - creating or saving votes since 1970
That the type of thing that happens...
November 3, 2009 - 13:44 ET by c5thenWhen the color of a person's skin is more important that what he believes in or the values that he holds.
It's sad but there it is.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
I heard Rush as well
November 3, 2009 - 18:19 ET by bigtimerI heard Rush as well today..he was dead on the mark.
We all knew anyway the Spin Machine Cycle would be on high..still is, and will be all week long.
Leave it to the dems to declare when they lose they WIN...
You can't make this stuff up!
I no longer care how stupid they must think people are...I just wonder if they realize how stupid they are every single day...and we do all realize it.
Please though....keep up the good work, it's working for the good guys...
Talk about Back-Fire...it's going to show tonight, and the spot-light is on them, whether these leftist lemmings like it or not....they have made making an a$$ out of themselves daily a comedy show...which is getting to be worth watching...after-all, I do love some good laughs....and they provide it well.
'Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea'~Breitbart
Republicans taken over by
November 3, 2009 - 13:18 ET by bse5150Republicans taken over by Conservatism is bad?
What were the Libs saying when MoveOn took over the Dems, giving us this nightmare presidency - that may be now handing victories to Conservatives?
I almost NEVER hear about
November 3, 2009 - 13:21 ET by pwozI almost NEVER hear about "conservative Democrats", so why the obsession with "moderate Republicans" by the MSM.
Their belivers swear that Palin harmed McCain's vote count.
LULZ
Conservative Democrats
November 3, 2009 - 13:55 ET by BlondeIs that what Lieberman was? I don't think so....he was kind of a moderate democrat, I'd think....but so high profile that when he went against the liberal groupthink of anti-Iraq.....they ran him out of the party.
The blue dogs are truly on the horns of a dilema, nice, huh?
I hope he fails, too.
Yea, but Lieberman is also a
November 3, 2009 - 14:03 ET by pwozYea, but Lieberman is also a complete sellout. He'll go wherever the $ goes.
I don't think so
November 3, 2009 - 15:06 ET by BlondeI think Joe Lieberman is a left leaning democrat on most things having to do with social policy, but he is firm in his belief regarding a strong America and our military, hence his split with his own party over his continued and strong support of the GWOT. That lead to his support of McCain over Obama in last year's presidential race.
I know he votes consistently with the democratic caucus, but was pleasantly surprised to see him oppose the public option in this debacle of a health care bill. His early and vocal opposition may lead the Senate dem's to try the nuclear option as their last (first) resort....because they know they don't have 60 votes. IMO, if they go nuc on it to pass it....there may be more than figurative bloodshed on the next electoral go-round.
Americans hate cheaters, and that's exactly what it will be if these liberals use reconciliation to pass something that well over half of the population doesn't want.
I hope he fails, too.
The Chicago loss
November 3, 2009 - 13:31 ET by MidAmericaThe Chicago loss is actually a win? I know. It’s hard to wrap your head around it. I got a sense of this as I test-drove my counter-intuitive (yet brilliant) theory by my baffled and distracted husband over the weekend. I figured he’d surely see the logic. After all, he’s now a spin doctor himself–Communications Director for VP Biden.
Alice from Alice in Wonderland:
If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
Let the rationalization begin
November 3, 2009 - 13:37 ET by karelingHilarious! Makes you wonder, if Obama loses in 2012, what crazy things the MSM is going to come up with to assert that it's good for the Democrats and bad, bad, bad for Republicans or conservatives.
In all this spin to make an expected loss into a win
November 3, 2009 - 13:41 ET by c5thenThe liberals and the MSM never seem to get to the fact that it would mean that a majority of the electorate in those races (NY 23 dist., NJ and VA) would have decided that a conservative is better than a liberal.
They talk about it as if it's not a choice being made by the people, but rather a game of chance in Las Vegas or Atlantic City.
Throw 'da bums out!!!
Before it's too late.
www.loyaltoliberty.com
Huh!!!!!!!
November 3, 2009 - 14:09 ET by John53This is too stupid for even Obermann.
Do they still wonder what happened to their viewers? Have the editors listen/watch this and it will tell them.
Stupid is forever
Science has yet to quantify
November 3, 2009 - 14:30 ET by Six String SpiffScience has yet to quantify too stupid for Olbermann.
Wow, the Dems couldn't even
November 3, 2009 - 14:29 ET by Six String SpiffWow, the Dems couldn't even STFU long enough to revel in their 'HISTORIC WIN' before the Republicans took it right back! Hahaaa!
delete
November 3, 2009 - 15:23 ET by celatordelete
November 3, 2009 - 15:18 ET by celatordelete
True. Their spin machine is
November 3, 2009 - 15:16 ET by celatorTrue. Their spin machine is whizzing around so fast even they can't keep their approved-by-Axelbrat weekly talking points. It's pretty comical to watch.
More people are now experiencing what a lefty, socialist, wealth distribution government looks like since Obama has been in the WH. They don't like it one bit. We here knew it was coming, but most people did not- IMHO. They look at the Obama/Pelosi/Reid/MSM goofballs lying consistently to the American people and it makes their skin crawl.
No citizen's right to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, or property is safe as long as Obama is President of the United States.
What about Progressives?
November 3, 2009 - 14:34 ET by Patrick MichaelAll of a sudden, GOP'ers who would rather be branded (if at all) as conservatives are BAD for the country and killing the Republican party. Why the horrible statistic that only 20% of individuals ID themselves as Repubicans is touted out at least once a day by some liberal idiot. Here's what they are not telling you. The same poll that showed the horrible 20% ID'ing themselves as Republicans showed a whopping 21% ID'ing themselves as Democrats - It's all in the language. And while the left is touting the rise of Conservationism as a sign of "civil war" within the Republican party, what about the rise of the Progressives? Alan Grayson does not even ID himself as a "Democrat with Guts" anymore, settling for "Congressman with Guts" and calling himself a Progressive. ANd instead of bemoaning the discord in the Republican Party, maybe they could focus a little bit on the "Big Tent" problems of their own side. How are you liking those Blue Dogs now??
Stay Free!!!
Flash Forward to November
November 3, 2009 - 16:09 ET by Tom PaineFlash Forward to November 2010
“You know, Wolf, now that the Republicans have taken control of both the House and the Senate they’ve really played right into Barack Obama’s hand…”
So if Democrats lose big in
November 3, 2009 - 16:48 ET by winston smithSo if Democrats lose big in this election we can still expect to see big ear-to-ear grins from the gang over at MSLSD, right? Oh and tingles so profusely shooting up Chris Matthews legs he'll need wheelchair to get out of the studio.
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