All three morning shows on Monday skipped a rather serious charge made by former Vice President Dick Cheney that Barack Obama, through his actions as president, has made America less safe and more susceptible to terrorist attack. Speaking to CNN host John King on Sunday's "State of the Union," Cheney criticized some of Obama's actions, including giving the order to close Guantanamo Bay.
The ex-vice president asserted, "And now he [Obama] is making some choices that, in my mind, will, in fact, raise the risk to the American people of another attack." And yet, ABC's "Good Morning America," NBC's "Today" and CBS's "Early Show," all completely ignored Cheney's attack on President Obama. Considering that over the last eight years, members of the media often referred to Cheney as Darth Vader and insinuated that he was actually pulling the strings in the Bush White House, shouldn't such a serious charges, leveled by such an influential person, at least have warranted a mention?
Instead of reporting on this important issue, "Good Morning America" news anchor Chris Cuomo found time to play footage of Prince Charles dancing with a Brazilian woman during his tour of the Amazon. "Today highlighted the Irish roots of President Obama. Over on the "Early Show," the hosts celebrated March Madness and made their college basketball picks.
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→ It's not news
March 16, 2009 - 15:17 ET by Cool ArrowWouldn't even Liberals agree the US is less safe under Obama?
Cheney's soundbite isn't news to anybody. Our opposed understandings of the situations remain the same.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
One could in fact argue that
March 16, 2009 - 16:15 ET by berthugginsOne could in fact argue that the US is safer than during the last presidency. After all, no attacks yet under the current admin.
~Give it time, guttermouth
March 16, 2009 - 16:46 ET by choselife3xHope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
So...you have nothing to add
March 16, 2009 - 17:25 ET by berthugginsSo...you have nothing to add on this topic. Okay, thanks for your comments.
~You are welcome, guttermouth
March 16, 2009 - 17:31 ET by choselife3xHope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
"guttermouth"?
March 17, 2009 - 21:13 ET byWay to keep the conversation elevated. I'm so glad we have you conservative Christians to keep us all moral.
pi
March 17, 2009 - 21:29 ET by botgan alt name
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
I guess one could make
March 16, 2009 - 17:34 ET by BlazerI guess one could make the case that we are safer now under this administration, that is if you discount Iran aquiring the bomb, Israel on standby alert to attack Iran anyday now with U.S. troop's right next door, severe upheaval in nuclear armed Pakistan, right next to sworn enemy nuclear armed India, North Korean saber rattling and ballistic missile launches, Russian strategic bomber's parked 60 miles off the Florida coast in Cuba and Venezuela.......
.......I'm sorry what were we talking about again?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blaze... Bingo...I put the
March 16, 2009 - 18:56 ET by bigtimerBlaze...
Bingo...I put the links you are referring here with the trouble with the countries you mentioned on here other than Pakistan on another site Saturday sometime...didn't get time to here...anyway, nobody is paying attention to all of this...
I also posted about China and their where's the $$$ BS besides their bull surrounding our ship etc...
There is a lot going on...and it isn't good.
Yea the Chinese are
March 16, 2009 - 19:01 ET by BlazerYea the Chinese are starting to worry me too. Seem's the loanshark's are wanting to know where the hell their money is. How long before they send some muscle lookin' to bust some kneecap's ?
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Oh YEAH!
March 17, 2009 - 21:16 ET byAll of that hapened in the last 100 days.
My God, are you really that freakin dense?!
Most of it did tool.
March 17, 2009 - 21:28 ET by BlazerMost of it did tool. Just like how Al Qaida only became a threat 8 month's into the Bush administration.
You miss the point, all of this was suppose to cease when the Immaculate Healer took office.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
→ Forgive Pi314
March 17, 2009 - 21:32 ET by Cool ArrowHe's not remembering things from one day to the next.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Cool
March 17, 2009 - 21:42 ET by BlazerCool !1111!11!
Google pi314 right now ! Too funny
Coincidence ? I think not.
Here's one:
http://www.kongregate.com/accounts/pi314
Let the lulz begin !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
→ LOL Blazer
March 17, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Cool ArrowThat's just sad.
A lonely little petunia in an onion patch.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
But don't forget he's 22
March 17, 2009 - 21:53 ET by BlazerBut don't forget he's 22 and has a daughter in the Girl Scout's. So that would have made him about 14 when he had her and we're the inbred's.
Ha Ha !
Plus did you see his profile on the Goth porn site. ROFL !
Mom's basement theory has now been confirmed.
I'm starting a forum on this epic LOL !
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
→ 22, which means
March 17, 2009 - 21:53 ET by Cool ArrowHe was a daddy at 15?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Like I said Cool it's
March 17, 2009 - 21:59 ET by BlazerLike I said Cool it's definitly him. He's a Kos poseur.
Can't wait till he tell's us that Googling his screename is a war crime.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!111!!!1111!!!!
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Cool,
March 17, 2009 - 23:34 ET by RESTLESS 1You think THAT'S sad, take a look at the list of his friends over there.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Sorry to disappoint...
March 17, 2009 - 23:22 ET bypi314 is actually a pretty common name on the web. I'm 54 years old, and I've never heard of "congregate" until now. Enjoy your time there though.
Sure you are. You come
March 17, 2009 - 23:33 ET by BlazerSure you are.
You come here disingenuosly trying to assert yourself as kind of bi-partisan independant thinker trying to show us neo-con's the err of our way's but you post thing's like this at Crook's And Liar's
This is an increasingly common
Sat, 01/12/2008 - 18:33 — Pi314 (not verified)
This
is an increasingly common right-wingnut tactic. If you can't win the
war of words, then redefine what those words mean. Tired of being
called a fascist? Then redefine "fascist" as "liberal". Sick of being
called racist? Then redefine "racism" as "handouts to minorities" that
prevent them from pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps... and
thus cause them to miss all those valuable lessons the rest of us
learned. Frustrated that you haven't been able to get creationism
taught in the public schools? Then redefine your position as "teach the
controversy", and redefine true scientists as afraid of having their
dogma challenged.
Go back to swimming in your sewer's, you ain't convertin' nobody here.
Like I said, typical leftist-troll.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer,
March 17, 2009 - 23:44 ET by RESTLESS 1Look where else he shows up. Color me surprised. </sarc>
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
How many days has he been
March 16, 2009 - 17:34 ET by sherylsimsHow many days has he been in office? Less than a hundred? Yeah, ok. I realize you are just looking for an argument, but really, that was a pretty dumb observation even for you.
So then your
March 16, 2009 - 17:57 ET by berthugginsSo then your counter-argument is?
~In order for there to be a counter-argument
March 16, 2009 - 18:04 ET by choselife3xThere must first be an argument. All you said was that we haven't been attacked yet. We hadn't been attacked yet two months into Bush's first term either. Therefore your 'argument' is invalid.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
You're trolling, 3x. Stop
March 16, 2009 - 18:12 ET by berthugginsYou're trolling, 3x. Stop it.
~What, no counter-argument?
March 16, 2009 - 18:16 ET by choselife3x*laughing*
Told ya not to start something you couldn't finish. What happened to "Bring it on"? *laughing harder*
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
My God - Your husband must
March 16, 2009 - 18:34 ET by berthugginsMy God - Your husband must HATE you!
~Poor lonely guttermouth
March 16, 2009 - 18:40 ET by choselife3xCan only IMAGINE what it must be like to have a spouse. Don't give up, I'm sure there's a sewer you haven't searched yet.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Who is guttermouth? LMAO!
March 16, 2009 - 18:42 ET by MotherI'm in the dark here. :)) Am I missing something or have my comprehension skills gone down a notch? lol
~Recycled troll
March 16, 2009 - 18:48 ET by choselife3xIt was smarting so hard from the last whuppin I gave it that it re-registered under a different name after being banned. Masochist.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Good evening chose
March 16, 2009 - 18:54 ET by cocodrieThat's one thing in his favor. He recycled himself instead of polluting the dump..
Jesus Loves You
~You have a point..
March 16, 2009 - 18:59 ET by choselife3xIf I'm going to continue taking out the trash here at NB I think I'll have to start burning it. Charred troll is better than recycled troll.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
choselife3x, you are my troll beatdown givin' hero!
March 16, 2009 - 19:10 ET by MotherLOL! Masochist indeed. he-he-he! Recycled trolls self-replicate and think nobody will notice. Give 'em HELL.
-Or just whip out your fingernail clippers and torture 'em slow-like.
Strange denial.
March 16, 2009 - 18:43 ET by berthugginsStrange denial.
~If you want to look at it THAT way..
March 16, 2009 - 18:53 ET by choselife3xYou open yourself up to...
Right back atcha!
*laughing..again*
By the way, have you stopped beating your wife?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Good evening Bert
March 16, 2009 - 18:49 ET by cocodrieYou can only avoid chose only by not coming here. Otherwise she'll be on you like gravy on rice.
She has a black belt in troll-fu, kinda like kung-fu , but you'll understand as time goes on.
Jesus Loves You
That's funny. I'm actually
March 16, 2009 - 18:59 ET by berthugginsThat's funny. I'm actually understanding 3x to be a lonely housewife pissed off at her husband for making her stay at home with the kids while he's gone all day. Tell me, 3x - when he comes home smelling like strippers, do you ask questions or do you just believe that the woman in the cubicle next to him wears REALLY heavy perfume?
~Gutter!
March 16, 2009 - 19:16 ET by choselife3xI'd recognize that flabby @ss anywhere after you flaunted it with such wild abandon last month. You'll get kicked off even quicker this time at the rate you're going. And sorry, no cubicle. Gather your wits and try again. (someone hand him a pooper-scooper, please)
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Stop generalizing your own life experiences.
March 16, 2009 - 19:20 ET by MightyMouth"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I'm understand that
March 17, 2009 - 09:26 ET by bretzysdudeI'm understand that guttermouth just plain lonely with nobody to turn to but attack human beings.
And guttermouth, you're a
March 17, 2009 - 09:25 ET by bretzysdudeAnd guttermouth, you're a sock puppet. Screw you.
oh yes, the religion of peace is suddenly peaceful.
March 16, 2009 - 18:57 ET by JWFNow that teleprompter jesus is in charge.
Thank you for pointing this out guttermouth.
List of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 2 Months
DateCountryCityKilledInjuredDescription
2009.03.15
Israel
Masua
2
0
Two Israelis are shot to death by Palestinian gunmen while riding in a car.
2009.03.15
Afghanistan
Kabul
2
9
A suicide bomber kills two civilians outside a high school.
2009.03.15
Afghanistan
Kandahar
1
6
A bystander is killed by a Taliban wheelbarrow bomb.
2009.03.15
Yemen
Shibam
4
4
Four Korean tourists are murdered by fundamentalist bombers.
2009.03.14
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
2
0
Sunnis spray a Shiite couple on a motorcycle with automatic weapons, killing both the husband and wife.
2009.03.13
Thailand
Yala
1
0
A woman dies from injuries a day after being shot by Muslim extremists.
2009.03.13
Iraq
Orakzai
2
0
Two civilians are murdered by the Taliban.
2009.03.13
Iraq
Baghdad
1
1
Islamic radicals kill a woman and wound a boy with a planted bomb.
2009.03.13
Pakistan
Bajaur
3
0
Three tribesmen are abducted and beheaded by Sunni hardliners.
2009.03.13
Thailand
Narathiwat
3
1
Three local soldiers are killed in an ambush by Muslim militants.
2009.03.12
Ingushetia
Nazran
1
0
A Russian policeman is murdered by suspected Mujahid.
2009.03.12
Iraq
Basra
1
0
Shia gunmen take down a Sunni official.
2009.03.11
India
Reasi
1
0
A man is murdered in his home by Islamic gunmen.
2009.03.11
Pakistan
Peshawar
4
2
Two women are among four killed by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2009.03.11
Somalia
Mogadishu
4
0
Islamists trigger a roadside bomb, killing four people.
2009.03.11
Algeria
Barika
1
1
Islamic fundamentalists attack an approaching group of policemen with machine guns.
2009.03.11
Iraq
Mosul
4
10
Mujahideen car bombers take out four civilians along a city street.
2009.03.11
Iraq
Kirkuk
2
8
Two Iraqis are killed in a Jihad car bombing.
2009.03.10
Afghanistan
Helmand
4
6
Four civilians are killed when fundamentalists detonate a roadside bomb.
2009.03.10
Afghanistan
Khost
7
2
Seven local soldiers are killed by Taliban roadside bombers.
2009.03.10
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
1
0
A policeman is gunned down in revenge for preventing a suicide bombing.
2009.03.10
Iraq
Mosul
3
6
A woman is killed inside her home by Mujahideen. Two other civilians are killed elsewhere.
2009.03.10
Iraq
Abu Ghraib
33
34
A Shahid detonates an explosive belt in the midst of Sunni and Shia tribal leaders, murdering over thirty people.
2009.03.09
Thailand
Pattani
1
0
A 25-year-old man is murdered by Muslim gunmen.
2009.03.09
Pakistan
South Waziristan
3
0
Two brothers are among three civilians abducted and murdered by religious extremists.
2009.03.09
Iraq
Mosul
2
0
Two policemen are shot to death at their post by Islamic terrorists.
2009.03.09
Pakistan
Kohat
1
4
Islamists fire a rocket at a passenger bus traveling through the Kohat Friendship Tunnel, killing one rider.
2009.03.09
Pakistan
Quetta
2
0
Two Shias are shot to death by Sunni rivals.
2009.03.09
Iraq
Baghdad
2
0
Two moderate Sunnis are gunned down by al-Qaeda militants.
2009.03.08
Iraq
Baghdad
28
57
An al-Qaeda suicide bomber attacks new police recruits, leaving nearly thirty innocent people dead.
2009.03.08
Iraq
Mosul
3
3
Jihadi bombers take down three local soldiers at a traffic stop.
2009.03.08
Algeria
Tizi Ouzou
1
0
A policeman is shot and then set on fire by Islamic fundamentalists.
2009.03.08
Thailand
Yala
1
1
Islamists fire on a pair of teachers, killing one.
2009.03.08
Iraq
Khalis
25
0
Twenty-five victims of al-Qaeda abductions are found in several mass graves.
2009.03.07
Pakistan
Mohmand
14
0
Fourteen Pakistani soldiers are killed in an ambush by Sunni fundamentalists. Some are executed in captivity.
2009.03.07
Pakistan
Darra Adam Khel
2
7
Two civilians are murdered by Jihadi car bombers.
2009.03.07
Pakistan
Peshawar
8
5
Islamists kill an elderly man, then booby-trap the body, killing seven investigating police.
2009.03.07
Pakistan
Khyber
5
8
Lashkar-e-Islam terrorists bomb a shop, killing five people.
2009.03.07
Iraq
Mosul
3
8
Three local security personnel are killed in two Sunni militant attacks.
2009.03.07
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
Two Buddhist brothers riding a motorcycle are shot and then burned by Religion of Peace militants.
2009.03.07
Algeria
Kabylie
2
8
An elderly woman is among two people killed by a Shahid bomber.
2009.03.07
Afghanistan
Nimroz
2
3
Two Afghans are take out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2009.03.06
Thailand
Yala
1
0
The 52-year-old owner of a tea shop is shot to death at his business by Mujahideen.
2009.03.06
Somalia
Mogadishu
3
0
Three civilian bystanders are killed when Islamic militia attack African peacekeepers.
2009.03.06
Pakistan
Bannu
1
1
Sunni militants take out a local official with a bomb blast.
2009.03.06
Iraq
Tikrit
2
0
Mujahideen bombers take out two civilians.
2009.03.06
Pakistan
North Waziristan
2
0
Religious extremists abduct and murder two civilians.
2009.03.05
Iraq
Hillah
12
40
Holy Warriors send a dozen souls to Allah with a car bombing at a livestock market.
2009.03.05
Egypt
Qalubiya
2
0
Muslims set a young Christian on fire and also stab his 60-year-old father to death.
2009.03.05
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
1
19
Radicals throw a hand grenade into a rival mosque, killing at least one.
2009.03.05
Ingushetia
Nazran
6
2
Six policemen are killed trying to defuse an Islamist bomb.
2009.03.05
Thailand
Yala
1
0
Muslim terrorists murder a 33-year-old civilian in a drive-by attack.
2009.03.05
Philippines
Basilan
3
2
Three fisherman are killed when suspected Islamists storm their boat.
2009.03.04
Thailand
Pattani
3
0
Two truck drivers are among three people shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
2009.03.04
Iraq
Samarrah
4
0
Four members of a family are eliminated by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2009.03.04
Iraq
Baghdad
5
24
Two Shahid suicide bombers leave five Iraqis dead.
2009.03.04
Somalia
Galkacyo
1
0
A cleric is gunned down by Islamist rivals.
2009.03.03
Pakistan
Lahore
8
6
Eight people are gunned down when Mujahideen stage a brutal attack on a visiting cricket team.
2009.03.03
Thailand
Yala
2
0
Two civilians are murdered by Mujahideen gunmen while riding home from work.
2009.03.03
Pakistan
Swat
2
0
Taliban militants kill two local soldiers in an ambush along a highway.
2009.03.03
Pakistan
Quetta
5
0
Five members of a Shia family are shot to death by Sunni radicals in a sectarian drive-by attack.
2009.03.02
Pakistan
Kili Karbala
6
6
A 15-year-old suicide bomber takes out a half dozen people at a girl's school.
2009.03.02
Iraq
Khalis
3
16
Sectarian Jihadis plant a bomb near a mosque, killing five rivals.
2009.03.02
Philippines
Mindanao
2
0
Two local security personnel are murdered in an ambush by Moro Islamists.
2009.03.02
Pakistan
Songo
1
28
Muslim radicals open fire on a Presbyterian church, then enter the building and beat a 45 woman to death.
2009.03.01
India
Doda
1
0
A local police officer is abducted, tortured and murdered by Lashkar-e-Toiba.
2009.03.01
Iraq
Fallujah
1
0
A civilian is killed in his home by an intruding suicide bomber.
2009.03.01
Pakistan
Quetta
2
0
Sunni radicals shoot a Shia man and his son to death in their shop.
2009.02.28
Afghanistan
Uruzgan
1
0
A civilian contractor is killed by Taliban bombers.
2009.02.28
Iraq
Baghdad
2
7
Jihadis murder two Iraqis in a restaurant bombing.
2009.02.27
Iraq
Hawija
2
2
Two Iraqis are taken down by al-Qaeda gunmen.
2009.02.27
Somalia
Mogadishu
42
125
Forty-two civilians are killed in three days of Islamic militia violence.
2009.02.27
Pakistan
Hangu
4
5
Mujahideen open fire on a school van, killing three students and their driver.
2009.02.26
Jordan
Ajlun
1
0
A teenager strangles his 30-year-old sister to death on suspicion that she is in a sexual relationship.
2009.02.26
Iraq
Baghdad
2
10
Two Iraqis are killed when Islamists explode a bomb near a university.
2009.02.26
Pakistan
Mohmand
2
0
Islamic militants kill two tribesmen and blow up a girl's school.
2009.02.26
Pakistan
Razmak
1
0
The Taliban behead a 35-year-old Afghan civilian as a 'gift' to the new American President.
2009.02.25
Afghanistan
Kandahar
2
8
Two civilians are killed in a Taliban bombing along a city street.
2009.02.25
Thailand
Narathiwat
3
0
Three people are beheaded by Muslim radicals.
2009.02.25
Somalia
Mogadishu
2
4
Two schoolchildren under the age of ten are taken out by an Islamic mortar shell on a school.
2009.02.25
Ingushetia
Karabulak
1
0
Fundamentalists gun down the owner of a local bowling alley.
2009.02.24
Pakistan
Quetta
4
0
A Shia trader and his three sons are brutally shot to death by Sunni extremists while on their way home.
2009.02.24
Thailand
Yala
1
0
A 41-year-old woman is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
2009.02.24
Pakistan
Kohat
2
0
Two civilians on a motorcycle are taken out by Sunni bombers.
2009.02.24
Thailand
Yala
1
3
Muslim militants storm a food shop and murder the owner.
2009.02.24
Afghanistan
Helmand
5
0
Religious extremists kill four US soldiers and a civilian with a roadside bomb.
2009.02.24
Pakistan
Landikotal
2
0
Two women who may have been prostitutes are tortured to death after having their faces disfigured.
2009.02.24
Somalia
Mogadishu
18
78
Eighteen people, including woman and children, are killed when Islamic hardliners attack peacekeepers.
2009.02.23
Afghanistan
Helmand
8
17
Eight civilians are killed when Taliban gunmen attack an ISAF patrol.
2009.02.23
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
1
A rubber tapper is brutally shot to death by Muslim radicals, who also shoot his wife.
2009.02.23
Iraq
Baghdad
5
15
Jihadis take down five Iraqis in two terror attacks.
2009.02.23
Pakistan
Bannu
1
2
A policeman is murdered by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.02.23
Sudan
Darfur
2
4
Two Doctors without Borders humanitarian workers are shot to death by suspected Janjaweed militia.
2009.02.23
Afghanistan
Kandahar
3
0
Three children are blasted to death by a Taliban IED.
2009.02.22
Somalia
Mogadishu
11
15
al-Shabaab suicide bombers take out eleven Burundi peacekeepers on their base.
2009.02.22
Thailand
Yala
2
0
A married couple are beheaded by Muslim militants on their way home from work at a rubber plantation.
2009.02.22
Algeria
Spas
9
3
Islamic fundamentalists machine-gun nine local guards to death in an ambush.
2009.02.22
Egypt
Cairo
1
21
Islamists bomb a market, killing a 17-year-old French girl.
2009.02.22
Pakistan
Karachi
1
0
A man chops his 60-year-old sister into pieces on suspicion that she was having unmarried sex.
2009.02.22
Afghanistan
Zaranj
1
3
A local guard is taken down by suicide bombers.
2009.02.21
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
2
5
Sunnis open fire on a Shia funeral procession, killing at least two mourners.
2009.02.21
Iraq
Baaj
5
0
Five Iraqi security personnel are murdered when Islamists booby-trap a building.
2009.02.21
Afghanistan
Torkham
1
2
A passerby is blown up when Sunni bombers target an oil tanker.
2009.02.21
Nigeria
Bauchi
11
38
A Muslim mob goes on a rampage, burning churches and killing Christians.
2009.02.21
Iraq
Tikrit
2
0
Two policemen are killed in separate Jihad attacks.
2009.02.21
Pakistan
Multan
2
0
Two adults are beheaded when it is discovered that they are having 'illegitimate' sex.
2009.02.21
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
4
0
Suicide bombers murder four more innocents.
2009.02.20
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
2
A civilian is killed in a terror attack by Islamic hardliners.
2009.02.20
Pakistan
Karachi
1
2
A boy is gunned down in a sectarian dispute.
2009.02.20
Iraq
Mosul
2
0
Jihadis kill a man and his son in a roadside bombing.
2009.02.20
Thailand
Yala
2
0
Two soldiers guarding teachers are shot and beheaded by Religion of Peace radicals.
2009.02.20
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
32
145
A suicidal Sunni detonates at a Shia funeral, massacring thirty-two mourners.
2009.02.19
Iraq
Mosul
1
7
A suicide bomber takes out an Iraqi policeman.
2009.02.19
Afghanistan
Khost
1
0
A member of a road construction crew is taken out by Islamic bombers.
2009.02.19
Afghanistan
Khost
3
0
Three local guards are murdered by Sunni extremists.
2009.02.19
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
1
0
A local Shia leader is shot to death by Sunni militants.
2009.02.19
Iraq
Mosul
1
0
A Christian businessman is gunned down in his shop.
2009.02.19
Pakistan
Mohmand
1
0
Religious extremists assassinate a tribal elder.
2009.02.18
Pakistan
Quetta
1
0
A local Sunni leader is gunned down by Shia militants.
2009.02.18
Jordan
Petra
1
0
A 19-year-old man shoots his divorced sister to death over 'immoral' behavior.
2009.02.18
Pakistan
Swat
1
0
Muslim radicals shoot a journalist thirty-two times following a peace rally.
2009.02.17
Pakistan
Peshawar
4
16
Four people are murdered in a Mujahideen car bombing in a residential neighborhood.
2009.02.17
Iraq
Baqubah
2
10
Jihadi bombers manage to take out two Iraqi civilians.
2009.02.17
Iraq
Mosul
1
1
A Christian is gunned down by suspected Islamists.
2009.02.17
Pakistan
Khar
4
4
A woman is among four civilians killed when the Taliban rocket homes and a school.
2009.02.16
Iraq
Baghdad
8
24
Eight Shia pilgrims are blown apart by Sunni bombers in two attacks.
2009.02.16
Pakistan
Karamkot
1
0
A 35-year-old civilian is kidnapped and killed in captivity by Islamic extremists.
2009.02.15
Iraq
al-Taji
10
0
Ten victims of al-Qaeda militia are found in a mass grave.
2009.02.15
Algeria
Tebessa
5
4
Religious radicals detonate a bomb under a passing truck, killing five occupants.
2009.02.15
Algeria
Boumerdes
3
0
Three off-duty soldiers are stopped a roadblock and machine-gunned to death by fundamentalists.
2009.02.14
Lebanon
Beirut
1
0
A minority Druse is stabbed to death by Hezbollah supporters at a memorial rally.
2009.02.14
Afghanistan
Khost
1
2
Sunni radicals assassinate a local governor.
2009.02.14
Iraq
Baghdad
40
0
Forty Shiite abductees are found in a mass grave in a Sunni stronghold.
2009.02.13
Pakistan
Peshawar
2
3
Two more policemen are killed by religious extremists in separate attacks.
2009.02.13
Afghanistan
Kandahar
4
0
Four Afghan policemen are killed by the Taliban in a roadside bombing.
2009.02.13
Iraq
Baghdad
2
0
A man and his son are murdered in their home by Sunni gunmen.
2009.02.13
Algeria
Fum
7
0
An infant and two women are among seven people blown up by Islamic fundamentalists.
2009.02.13
Iraq
Karbala
39
60
A female suicide bomber detonates in a tent full of Shia pilgrims, sending nearly forty souls to Allah.
2009.02.13
Afghanistan
Kohat
2
0
The Taliban shoot dead two women for 'immoral' behavior, then dump their burka-clad bodies in a ditch.
2009.02.12
Somalia
Mogadishu
2
6
Two laborers die from shrapnel injuries when Mujahideen mortar a seaport.
2009.02.12
Thailand
Pattani
3
1
Islamic bombers kill three policemen guarding teachers from attacks.
2009.02.12
Afghanistan
Paktika
1
5
A suicide bomber murders a police officer who stops to help him.
2009.02.12
Iraq
Mosul
4
5
Jihadis take out four local cops with a roadside bomb.
2009.02.12
USA
Buffalo, NY
1
0
The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.02.12
Pakistan
North Waziristan
1
1
Taliban militants murder a police officer in an unprovoked rocket attack. A second policeman is killed elsewhere.
2009.02.12
Ingushetia
Nazran
4
2
Four Russians are killed when Islamic militants detonate a bomb during a raid.
2009.02.11
Iraq
Baghdad
2
18
Two Shia pilgrims are murdered by Sunni bombers in separate attacks.
2009.02.11
Afghanistan
Logar
4
0
Four local soldiers are killed in a Taliban roadside bombing on their vehicle.
2009.02.11
Pakistan
Peshawar
1
8
A local lawmaker is murdered by a bomb planted by suspected Islamists.
2009.02.11
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
Religion of Peace terrorists shoot two men to death as they are standing in front of a school.
2009.02.11
Afghanistan
Kabul
28
57
Suicidal Sunnis attack two government buildings, randomly shooting nearly thirty office workers to death.
2009.02.11
Thailand
Pattani
1
0
A 40-year-old man is gunned down in a Muslim drive-by attack.
2009.02.11
Jordan
Amman
1
0
A 24-year-old woman is stabbed to death in bed by her brother, who suspects her of having an affair.
2009.02.11
Iraq
Baghdad
16
44
Jihadis explode a pair of bombs at a bus station, slaughtering sixteen Iraqis.
2009.02.10
Iraq
Mosul
2
0
Sunni extremists gun down two policemen at a checkpoint.
2009.02.10
Thailand
Pattani
2
1
Muslim extremists murder two people is separate drive-by attacks.
2009.02.10
Pakistan
Hangu
17
30
Seventeen people are killed when Shia and Sunni rivals clash.
2009.02.09
Pakistan
North Waziristan
2
0
Holy Warriors shoot two civilians to death in separate attacks.
2009.02.09
Pakistan
Baran Pul
5
17
A religious extremist detonates himself in a crowd, killing five other people.
2009.02.09
Iraq
Mosul
5
3
Four US soldiers and a local interpreter are killed by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.02.09
Afghanistan
Khogyani
2
3
Islamic extremists detonate a bomb near a police vehicle, killing two local cops.
2009.02.09
Afghanistan
Nimroz
3
0
Three Afghans are taken out by a Fedayeen suicide bomber.
2009.02.09
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
0
A 26-year-old woman is shot to death by Islamic terrorists.
2009.02.09
Pakistan
Khyber Agency
10
10
Rival Islamist groups clash, leaving ten people dead.
2009.02.09
Afghanistan
Kabul
1
0
An Indian Christian, who worked for a food chain, is reported dead four months after being abducted by Sunni extremists.
2009.02.09
Pakistan
Darra Adamkhel
13
38
Eleven children are among thirteen killed when Islamic militants shell a girl's school.
2009.02.09
Iraq
Mosul
3
7
Mujahideen murder three Iraqis with a mortar strike.
2009.02.08
Thailand
Yala
1
0
Islamic rebels shoot a 29-year-old civilian in the head along the side of a road.
2009.02.08
Iraq
Baghdad
2
12
Two Shia pilgrims are murdered by Sunni bombers while walking along the side of a road.
2009.02.08
Pakistan
Swat
1
0
Jihadis kidnap and decapitate a civilian.
2009.02.08
Pakistan
Swat
3
0
Mujahideen ambush and kill three local soldiers.
2009.02.08
Pakistan
Lakorain
1
1
A truck driver is shot to death by Taliban while on the job.
2009.02.08
Afghanistan
Kabul
1
0
The Taliban release a video showing the beheading of a kidnapped Polish engineer.
2009.02.08
Somalia
Mogadishu
3
7
A child is among three people killed in two attacks following calls for holy war.
2009.02.07
Afghanistan
Nangarhar
2
1
Two people are killed in two attacks by Islamic terrorists.
2009.02.07
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
0
Mujahideen gun down a 48-year-old rubber plantation worker.
2009.02.07
Pakistan
Punjab
7
0
Seven local cops are murdered by Islamist attackers.
2009.02.06
Pakistan
Kohat
1
2
Sunni radicals open fire on a passing bus, killing a passenger.
2009.02.06
Pakistan
Miranshah
2
0
The Taliban abduct two civilians, kill them, then dump their bodies at a bus stop.
2009.02.06
Afghanistan
Laghman
2
0
Taliban gunmen ambush and kill two local security men.
2009.02.05
Iraq
Khanaqin
16
12
A horrific suicide bombing at a restaurant leaves sixteen Iraqi patrons dead.
2009.02.05
Pakistan
Swat
3
3
Religious extremists barge into a home, kill three women and kidnap three survivors.
2009.02.05
Pakistan
Punjab
32
48
A suicide bomber at a rival religious procession sends more than 30 innocent souls to Allah.
2009.02.05
Pakistan
Orakzai
1
0
Islamists kidnap and murder the head of a teachers association.
2009.02.04
Iraq
Baqubah
8
0
Eight decapitated al-Qaeda victims are found in a mass grave.
2009.02.04
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
0
A journalist is assassinated by al-Shabaab gunmen.
2009.02.04
Afghanistan
Helmand
6
0
A brutal Taliban roadside bombing leaves six Afghanis dead.
2009.02.04
Somalia
Mogadishu
1
0
The head of a radio station is gunned down by suspected Islamists.
2009.02.03
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
1
18
One person is killed when an Islamic radical tosses a grenade into a rival mosque.
2009.02.03
Pakistan
Orakzai
1
0
Fundamentalists behead a local civilian.
2009.02.03
Pakistan
Swat
3
5
Islamic militants assault a police post, killing three local officers.
2009.02.03
Algeria
Ait Chaafa
1
9
Fundamentalists kill a security officer with a bombing attack.
2009.02.03
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
Two civilians are shot inside their homes by Mujahideen.
2009.02.03
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
0
Islamic gunmen chase down a man with a pickup truck then shoot him to death.
2009.02.02
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
Two security personnel are beheaded by Muslim militants, who also burn the bodies.
2009.02.02
Afghanistan
Uruzgan
21
8
A Fedayeen suicide bomber murders over twenty local police trainees at their facility.
2009.02.02
Pakistan
Quetta
1
0
A Shia businessman is shot to death by Sunni extremists.
2009.02.02
Pakistan
Swat
8
0
Eight people are shot to death by Taliban militants in various attacks.
2009.02.02
Pakistan
Punjab
1
0
A local leader is gunned down is a sectarian incident.
2009.02.02
Iraq
Mosul
3
9
Three Iraqis are murdered by Mujahideen roadside bombers.
2009.02.01
Dagestan
Makhachkala
4
0
Suspected Islamists open fire on a cafe, killing four patrons.
2009.02.01
Pakistan
Shajwal Chak
1
0
A Christian man begging for wages owed is murdered by Muslim employers as they deride his faith.
2009.02.01
Philippines
Siocon
4
1
Moro Islamists capture four gold prospectors, hog-tie them and then hack them to death with machetes.
2009.01.31
Pakistan
Swat
3
1
Taliban militants ambush and kill three local security personnel.
2009.01.30
Iraq
Baiji
1
1
Sunni terrorists open fire on a polling station, killing an American guard.
2009.01.29
Pakistan
Tal
1
4
Religious extremists slit the throat of a policeman.
2009.01.29
Pakistan
Miranshah
1
0
Sunni radicals kidnap and shoot a 30-year-old local man.
2009.01.28
Iraq
Kirkuk
2
0
Sunni extremists attack a polling station, killing two guards.
2009.01.28
Pakistan
Mingora
8
0
Eight bullet-ridden victims of Taliban justice are found.
2009.01.27
Iraq
Mosul
3
3
Three Iraqis are killed in a car bomb attack on Kurds by suspected Sunnis terrorists.
2009.01.27
Israel
Kissufim
1
2
Palestinian bombers murder an Israelis border guard.
2009.01.27
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
1
0
A second Shia civilian is gunned down in as many days by sectarian extremists.
2009.01.27
Thailand
Pattani
2
0
A Buddhist married couple is brutally murdered by Muslim gunmen in a drive-by attack.
2009.01.27
Afghanistan
Kandahar
4
10
Taliban bombers blow up a minibus killing four civilians.
2009.01.26
Somalia
Baidoa
4
10
Four people are killed when al-Shabaab terrorists hurl a grenade into a bus stop.
2009.01.26
Pakistan
Lahore
1
0
A 45-year-old woman is stabbed to death by her son on suspicion of an illicit relationship.
2009.01.26
Pakistan
North Waziristan
1
0
Religious militants kidnap a man, chop off his hand and then execute him.
2009.01.26
Pakistan
Dera Ismail Khan
6
22
Sunni radicals detonate a bicycle bomb in a public area, killing six civilians.
2009.01.26
Pakistan
Quetta
1
0
A Shia leader is assassinated by Sunni gunmen.
2009.01.26
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
1
Islamists gun down a 26-year-old civilian.
2009.01.25
Iran
Saravan
12
0
A dozen policemen are killed by a Sunni terror group, 'Soldiers of Allah.'
2009.01.25
Thailand
Narathiwat
1
1
A factory worker is shot to death by Mujahideen while driving with his wife.
2009.01.24
Somalia
Mogadishu
15
24
Fifteen bus passengers on a public bus are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber.
2009.01.24
Pal. Auth.
Gaza
1
0
Hamas executes a 46-year-old human rights activist.
2009.01.24
Israel
Ashkelon
1
0
A young Arab mother is stabbed to death over suspected immorality
2009.01.24
Pakistan
Bannu
1
0
Suspected Islamists kidnap and murder a local civilian.
2009.01.24
Pakistan
Khairabad
1
0
A night cleaner at a police station is killed by a Sunni rocket.
2009.01.24
Iraq
Fallujah
5
14
Five Iraqis are taken out in a vicious Fedayeen truck bombing.
2009.01.24
Thailand
Yala
4
0
Four construction workers are murdered by Islamist gunmen at a building site.
2009.01.23
Iraq
Baghdad
8
0
Five women and a 12-year-old girl are among eight Sunni family members murdered in their home by sectarian rivals.
2009.01.23
Pakistan
Mingora
3
1
A woman is among three civilians murdered in a Jihad roadside attack.
2009.01.23
Iraq
Baghdad
1
1
A 7-year-old boy is killed, and his mother injured, by a hidden bomb.
2009.01.23
Pakistan
Swat
2
0
Fundamentalists stab a man to death over his 'un-Islamic' style of dress, then travel to his house where they murder his father.
2009.01.23
Afghanistan
Kabul
6
0
Six people, including an Indian husband and wife are shot dead when the Taliban fire into a home.
2009.01.23
Pakistan
Mingora
2
22
A Fedayeen suicide bomber kills two local soldiers.
2009.01.23
Thailand
Yala
3
0
A 65-year-old woman is among three civilians gunned down in separate Mujahideen drive-by attacks.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Wholly cow?
March 16, 2009 - 19:12 ET by general companySome freindly folks there,
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The RoP is busy busy busy with all teh killin.
March 16, 2009 - 19:27 ET by JWFBusy with all teh killin' all over the planet every single day.
Yet, not a one o' them is planning on sending some o' teh killin' our way now that teleprompter jesus is saving us all.
Or so says bertha the thug/guttersnipe.
Why do trolls always get so silent when I post. That pi314 guy completely ignored me too.
What is it with liberal trolls and facts. Kinda like vampires and garlic or hippies and water.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Ummm...
March 18, 2009 - 18:30 ET byMaybe because what you post is unintelligible crap...?
Whatever Liar.
March 18, 2009 - 22:44 ET by JWFYou have no credible answer to facts presented in posts. You always let me get the last word on real issues.
You're a joke. Go back to Dkos and tell them of your utter failure. Tell them to send someone that can present an argument in an intelligent way and actually respond like a man when hit over the head with facts.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
JWF,
March 16, 2009 - 19:35 ET by R D HelmWonderful thang, that"moderate" Islam.
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
ARRRRGHHHHHH!@!@!#
March 17, 2009 - 21:33 ET byJesus H Christ on a POGO STICK, ENOUGH WITH THE CUTTING AND THE PASTING ALREADY!@!#
Do you realize how long it takes to scroll through all that crap on this site?!?! GIVE US A LINK, WE'LL CHECK IT OURSELVES!
JESUS, you know how to cut and paste! GOOD FOR YOU! We get it! WE GET IT!@!@#!@
Here's a link Pi
March 17, 2009 - 21:37 ET by Cool ArrowShow me where you said you have a daughter in Girl Scouts.
And, BTW, the post you claim was deleted is still there.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Here...
March 17, 2009 - 23:44 ET byhttp://newsbusters.o...
You expect us to believe you just pulled the "ogling girlscouts" comment out of your vile a$$?!
And yes, I noted that the comment wasn't deleted, that apparently it was just the excruciatingly slow scrolling that kept me from finding it.
→ Wriong Pi314
March 18, 2009 - 19:38 ET by Cool ArrowThat's the same link I referenced.
Nowhere in your post do you state what you claim you did.
Don't care what you "think". All I was interested in was proving you wrong. I did.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Wait --
March 18, 2009 - 21:15 ET byWhat else would you infer from my asking "Are there children in your daughter's girl scout troop who don't have a father to take them to the father/daughter square dance?"... or whatever the exact words were...
What would you infer from that, other than that I do have a girl in my daughter's girl scout troop who lost her father?!
I'm sorry, English is your native language, right?! You speaky Anglush?! Si?? No???
Press one for normal conversation, press two if you're simply too freakin stupid to engage in normal conversation, press three if you don't comprende any of this and would like me to "sign" my questions, press five if you would like to order from our sushi menu...
tick... tock... tick... tock...
I'm sorry, but you failed to answer within the alloted time. Goodbye.
→ You lose Pi
March 18, 2009 - 22:06 ET by Cool ArrowWhat else would you infer from my asking - Pi
So suddenly your argument shifts from what you said, to what you expect me to infer?
This, coming from the same guy who repeats a very old joke joke (presented as fact) about the drunk who, never having been to Vietnam, uses "VietNam was hell" as his excuse for being a drunk.
So when am I supposed to take what you say as being true?
I don't care if your kids are Girl Scouts. But the post to which you refer may "lead one to believe" they are, but you made no such claim.
They could be drunk veterans for all I know.
Oh Hoby Jebus
March 18, 2009 - 23:34 ET byMost of us learn basic reading comprehension well before we leave high school. The ones of us who go on to college, anyway.
As for the fake viet vet I knew... I have no idea what that has to do with my daughter being in Girl Scouts.
Most of us learn basic rules of argumentive logic before we leave high school too.
So you admit
March 18, 2009 - 23:41 ET by RESTLESS 1That the liberal institution known as public education, you know, the one we keep throwing money at, does not teach basic skills. Yet you would deprive the poor the choice of where to send their kids.
Man, no wonder you are persona non grata at Huffpo. You keep letting out all of their dirty little secrets.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
~You're funny
March 17, 2009 - 21:43 ET by choselife3xHope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Guttermouth, what about the Organizer's complete betrayal...
March 16, 2009 - 19:07 ET by R D Helm...of our wounded combat veterans:
http://hotair.com/ar...
I come from a rather large military family. My father is a Marine and Korean War veteran.
On the 10 scale of colossal f'ups by an idiot, know-nothing, empty-suit politician, what Obama is proposing here rates about a 25.
This is not going to go over well at all.
If you think the Organizer's approval ratings are sinking fast now, wait until the feces impacts the proverbial impeller over this.
Its going to be damned ugly.
And that is a good thing. :-)
-Dave
This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.
Vets paying for service injuries by their own insurance
March 16, 2009 - 23:44 ET by merlin61I am sick over this fiasco by the Organizer. What
insurance company is ever, ever, ever going to
cover war injuries? This man is one sick SOB.
He expects them to serve our country, but his hatred
for them is so evident, I can't stand it. And, his
hypocritical wife says she cares for our military?
Lies, lies and more lies.
No, one could not correctly argue that. All you can say...
March 16, 2009 - 20:15 ET by CKA in Red State USA...is that, to this point, there have been no attacks.
Even when the next anniversary of 9/11 comes, if we've had no terrorist attacks, all you can say then is that up to and including that point, we had no attacks.
But the fact that you pose the argument you did does great homage to the liberal/leftist thinker/philosophists who would use just such agrument as you posed.
I have no idea. I think we
March 16, 2009 - 16:25 ET by balboaI have no idea. I think we would be less safe at the beginning of any new administration. But I don't know that Obama has made us dramatically more unsafe.
bal, It will take some time for the terrorists ( just actors*)
March 16, 2009 - 17:09 ET by upcountrywaterto find out that there is no electricity in the electric fence.
Looks the same.
*actors @ 1:36
P.R.I.N.T. Money 30 sec YT
You can use all three
March 16, 2009 - 15:24 ET by BlazerYou can use all three morning show's as a platform to an attack a conservative radio pundit by playing a soundbyte taken out of context over and over, but you certainly would never play a soundbyte by our ex-V.P. leveling a serious charge of incompetency against the current administration.
Doesn't fit the agenda.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Now that the White House has responded...
March 16, 2009 - 15:28 ET by timothe...every media outlet will jump on the opportunity to demonize and marginalize Cheney. I can see Chrissy now:
"Sen. Graham, are you a Dick Cheney Republican or are you willing to divorce yourself from his comments?"
Contempt prior to investigation is ignorance.
I saw the interview
March 16, 2009 - 15:42 ET by bigtimerI saw the interview yesterday, one of the best I have seen in quite some time...of course the networks ignored him.
They cannot handle a man who minces no words...and he never has...they can't control him, they can't handle the truth...simple as that.
Thank you Mr. Cheney...you are the best...so is your partner!
Oh well, if they had
March 16, 2009 - 16:01 ET by Chris NormanOh well, if they had mentioned it, they would have presented it as a "cheap shot" or "the Bush Administration endangered us more". Since they probably knew they couldn't get away with that, they just ignore it as if Dick Cheney didn't still exist...
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
Hi Chris... Well, like
March 16, 2009 - 16:32 ET by bigtimerHi Chris...
Well, like another poster said here somewhere...Matthews is taking him on, we all know Olbie along with Maddow will also.
Btw...when I say taking Cheney on...you know what I mean, they are making arses of themselves as usual...and we all know Chris has had an obsession with Cheney from day one of the Plame BS...and he's still been crying in his beer since Cheney and Rove weren't frog-marched out of office to a cell somewhere.
Hi bt,Yeah, I don't know
March 16, 2009 - 17:07 ET by Chris NormanHi bt,
Yeah, I don't know what obsession is stronger in Matthews - his love of Obama or his hatred for Bush and Cheney. Both obsessions have crossed over into clinical afflictions along time ago. Along with Olbermann, Maddow and Shuster, it's gotten to the point that I wouldn't say that MSNBC is liberal - it's just plain mentally ill.
The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.
They would have mentioned it if
March 16, 2009 - 16:05 ET by JTPJimmy Carter would have said it wouldn't they? They always quoted him during the Bush years.
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
They are sycophants
March 16, 2009 - 16:06 ET by Franklins_Locke(h/t) Breitbart.com:
The White House says former Vice President Dick Cheney is the second most popular member of the "Republican cabal," behind only talk-show host Rush Limbaugh. So, you can see Gibbs is still inapt at his job.
Of course, they did not say anything. Why would they saying anything to disparage Obama, since they are still drinking the Kool-aid. There is so much more to report on...like the Prince.
http://franklinslocke.blogspot.com/
I was hoping to see a NB post on Gibbs' statement
March 16, 2009 - 17:35 ET by MANstreammediaIt's incredible that his arguement has nothing to do with the issue, but instead on popularity and BDS ("Gibbs says Obama is keeping the nation safe and dealing with problems George W. Bush's administration did not"). I didn't know attempting to deal with "moderate Taliban" was keeping the nation safe.
See hear and speak
March 16, 2009 - 16:07 ET by Hanoverfistno evil.
What do you expect from these monkeys?
First, it wasn't a jab. It was a head-slap. Second . . .
March 16, 2009 - 16:15 ET by CKA in Red State USAOf course they ignored Dick Cheney's statement.
It like anything that has even the slightest hint of truth and criticism of Obama won't be reported.
Morning Shows?
March 16, 2009 - 17:33 ET by blazermaniacYou must be talking about "Sponge-Bob", "Dora the Explorer" & "Barack Obama, Boy Genius".
Hmmm, there must not have
March 16, 2009 - 18:15 ET by ckc1227Hmmm, there must not have been a democrat talking head available to call Cheney an evil guy who helped Bush lie us into war over non-existant WMDs while he was war profiteering by stealing money from taxpayers via Halliburton's no-bid contracts.
They SHOULD skip it...
March 16, 2009 - 18:54 ET byIt was bad enough that the nation listened to his advice when he was in office. Why in HELL would we listne to him NOW?!
Good evening 314
March 16, 2009 - 19:00 ET by cocodrieAll we have in office now are apprentice idiots and terrorists.
Jesus Loves You
Actually...
March 16, 2009 - 20:21 ET byI'm pretty sure Jesus doesn't give a carpenter's crap about me. (Get it? Carpenter...? Jesus...? Heh...)
pi...Good, your're
March 16, 2009 - 19:01 ET by bigtimerpi...
Good, you're sticking to the point of this thread...
The reason is because he doesn't mince words and he is/was right!
The msm hated Cheney from just about day one...what makes you think they still don't?
Oh wait a minute...you were just being sarcastic...right?
...LOL!
Ummm...
March 16, 2009 - 20:18 ET byNo. No sarcasm here. I really think we need to ignore Dick Cheney.
The guy that lies incessantly thinks we need to ignore people.
March 16, 2009 - 20:49 ET by JWFNo sense of irony there huh?
pi314 - The United States PROSECUTED Korean soldiers for torture, for waterboarding U.S. Soldiers
Not only stupid - he was referring to JAPANESE people from WWII, but a lie. Refuted here - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/15/cnns-king-asks-dick-cheney-did-you-leave-obama-mess#comment-878512
pi314 - Waterboarding has FOR DECADES been recognized by every signatory to the U.N, charter
Stupid and misleading - The United Nations is not a lawful (law producing) body nor has any enforcement mechinisms for any of the proclamations it makes.
pi314 - But for now the law says it's TORTURE
LIE. Congress has never, i repeat NEVER, outlawed waterboarding by name nor description. LIE LIE LIE LIE.
Refuted here - http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/03/15/cnns-king-asks-dick-cheney-did-you-leave-obama-mess#comment-878525
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Oh Please...
March 16, 2009 - 21:52 ET byDude, that was like three threads ago. Try to keep up, huh?
Whatever.
March 16, 2009 - 22:22 ET by JWFLiar.
Ummm...
March 16, 2009 - 20:19 ET byNo. No sarcasm here. I really think we need to ignore Dick Cheney.
→ Thanks Pi
March 16, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Cool ArrowAnd you know how much we respect what you think
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
LOLOL
March 16, 2009 - 20:45 ET byYou heard about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? He lies awake in bed all night wondering if there is a dog.
→ I get it
March 16, 2009 - 20:47 ET by Cool ArrowAlways room for some new humor around here.
I'm waiting.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Whhat!?!?!
March 16, 2009 - 21:48 ET byTHAT WAS GOOD!!!
Geez, tuff crowd
~I laughed
March 16, 2009 - 21:55 ET by choselife3xOkay, it was more of a chuckle.
But you were trying. E for effort. ;-)
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Thank you, I'm here all week, try the veal...
March 16, 2009 - 22:09 ET by...and re your last comment on that "other" thread, which I said I'll not return to and I plan to keep my word... no, you inferred incorrectly, I meant no such thing. Show me a terrorist who knows where a bomb is about to go off -- your cliched "ticking time bomb" scenario -- and I'll personally pull out his fingernails with pliars. And I would assume the legal consequences for my heroism.
There's a vast difference between doing what's necessary in the heat of the moment, and instituting torture as policy.
Alrighty then
March 16, 2009 - 22:15 ET by BlondeWhich is it?
Kindly explain.
I've read your blather.
I hope he fails, too.
Which is What?!
March 16, 2009 - 22:17 ET byKindly explain your blathering question.
~First of all..veal is MURDER
March 16, 2009 - 22:23 ET by choselife3xTasty, TASTY murder. :-O
And I'd hardly call THREE instances of waterboarding out of hundreds of prisoners 'official policy'.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Not just waterboarding...
March 16, 2009 - 23:32 ET byRead the reports out of Gitmo, Abu Graib (sp?) and the secret CIA detention centers. I'm talking about our own reports, from our own government.... we don't even need to get into the reports of the Red Cross, Amnesty International, The U.N. and other international bodies not beholden to the Bush administration.
No. We won't Liar.
March 16, 2009 - 23:48 ET by JWFWe are not here to do YOUR research for YOU.
Waterboarding is not LEGALLY torture. It is not listed anywhere as a LEGAL form of torture.
Your lies won't change it.
Now it may be torture in your little ethical world. But then again so are purple nurples.
Just because you were bullied as a child does not make us all your peer moralists.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
pi, This is still here, don't go to sleep, or heads will roll
March 16, 2009 - 23:49 ET by upcountrywaterThis link is NOT Nick Bergs head removal ,Do you see a pattern here?
You are ASLEEP WAKE UP...
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Blathering
March 16, 2009 - 22:26 ET by BlondeI've been away for a few days....
Only to find a sky-rat like you shatting all over the threads....first I see you howling at the moon too bloody much about waterboarding, (methinks you protest too much about Abu Graihb, etc)....and reviling Dick Cheney, too boot....then I see you say if it were up to you, (in a personal situation, no doubt)....you'd do the dirty deed yourself.
So, Jonathan, do tell...you're a blathering blithering incendiary seagull....eh?
Which is it?
P.S. Kudos because you are polite.
I hope he fails, too.
Eh...?
March 16, 2009 - 23:34 ET by"Sky-rat"? "Seagull"?
Sorry... too many obscure references for this late at night.
Nighty night
Too bad
March 17, 2009 - 20:09 ET by BlondeYou're so IQ'd challlenged.
I hope he fails, too.
Here you go pi, Get a plane ticket, when you return with finger
March 16, 2009 - 22:24 ET by upcountrywaternails, ill reinburse you.. Location location location
Take the family..for more choices click on the red triangles...
Go get em...
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Dude, I'm sorry...
March 16, 2009 - 23:46 ET byBut your comments are just too freakin weird to respond to.
That's Mark Levin in that video though, right?
PI, WHAT ARE YOU ON DIAL-UP?
March 17, 2009 - 00:02 ET by upcountrywaterJust making your PROMISED task of nail pulling a bit EZier...
Did you forget?
No that would be your buddies;
Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, and Timothy Geithner.
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pi... Typical
March 16, 2009 - 20:29 ET by bigtimerpi...
Typical liberal...you sure like to use the term 'we' here.
No a heck of a lot of us love what Cheney has to say and what he represents for us conservatives.
Ignore him...never!
He is 1st class all the way as far as I am concerned...we need more, not less of people like him on the right side of the aisle.
Yeah...
March 16, 2009 - 21:50 ET byFirst Class Criminal
First Class
March 16, 2009 - 21:55 ET by BlazerFirst Class Criminal
What law's did he break specifically and what charges should be leveled against him.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Sorry Dude...
March 16, 2009 - 22:15 ET byNot getting into it with you again. Don'cha remember" I'm a...
“nose-picking,
booger-eating liberal bedwetter, "communist puke”, “leftist cockholster”,
“dipshit”, “asshole”, "condescending douchnazzle
fuckwad”, “spoiled rotten little ignorant reprobate”,
“liberal shit-twizzler”, “cockwash”, among other things. (see "other" thread, here: )
http://newsbusters.o...
So until you learn how to engage in -- what did you call it... "constructive debate"?... you can, as they say, "talk to the hand".
Yea, that's all very
March 16, 2009 - 22:25 ET by BlazerYea, that's all very true but I figured maybe you could take a little break from your self importance, bouncing from thread to thread flinging your soiled diaper's against the wall's and maybe back up some of your baseless accusation's for once.
What law's did he break specifically and what charges should be leveled against him.
Put up, or shut up.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
"flinging your soiled diaper's against the wall's"
March 16, 2009 - 23:37 ET byWow... you just really don't have a f*#@ing clue how to have an actual debate with us "rude liberals" do you...
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
You don't debate. You toss out easily disprovable LIES.
March 16, 2009 - 23:51 ET by JWFGo back to Dkos and tell them what a miserable failure you were.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Daily Kos is no fun...
March 17, 2009 - 14:06 ET byThey all agree with me.
Wow... you just really
March 17, 2009 - 05:42 ET by BlazerWow... you just really don't have a f*#@ing clue how to have an actual debate with us "rude liberals" do you...
I thought the flinging of soiled diaper's was liberal debate.
What law's did Dick Cheney break and what charges should be leveled against him?
Put up, or shut up.
(2 day's and still no reply from pi314)
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Ok, here you go Blazer...
March 17, 2009 - 11:06 ET byI took your challenge. Now you take mine and go back the other thread, read it, and come back here and explain to me what in hell makes you think you have ANY standing lecturing ME about civil discourse.
Or, conversely, just shut the f#*k up.
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Classification as torture
Waterboarding is considered to be torture by a wide range of authorities, including legal experts,[4][5][30] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[31] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] David Miliband, the United Kingdom Foreign Secretary described it as torture on July 19, 2008, and stated "the UK unreservedly condemns the use of torture."[32] U.S. State Department has recognized that other techniques that involve submersion of the head of the subject during interrogation would qualify as torture.[37]
The United States has a historical record of regarding waterboarding as a war crime, and has prosecuted as war criminals individuals for the use of the practice in the past. In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out various acts of torture including kicking, clubbing, burning with cigarettes and using a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[69]
Domestic Legislation
Torture is prohibited under 18 U.S.C. § 2340. The definition of torture used is as follows:
1. "torture" means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
2. "severe mental pain or suffering" means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from - (A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (C) the threat of imminent death; or (D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;
Prohibition under International Law
Torture in all forms is banned by the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR), which the United States participated in drafting. The United States is a party to the following conventions (international treaties) which prohibit torture: the American Convention on Human Rights (signed 1977) and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (signed 1977; ratified 1992).
Definition of torture
Article 1 of the Convention defines torture as:
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions. --- Convention Against Torture, Article 1.1
The Convention requires states to take effective measures to prevent torture within their borders, and forbids states to return people to their home country if there is reason to believe they will be tortured.
The United States includes this protection in the fifth amendment to its federal constitution. Additionally, the US Constitution's eighth amendment forbids the use of "cruel and unusual punishments", which is widely interpreted as a prohibition of the use of torture. Finally, 18 U.S.C. § 2340[38] et seq. define and forbid torture outside the United States.
As the United States Constitution recognizes customary international law, or the law of nations, the U.S. Alien Tort Claims Act also provides legal remedies for victims of torture in the United States. Specifically, the status of torturers under the law of the United States, as determined by a famous legal decision in 1980, Filártiga v. Peña-Irala, 630 F.2d 876 (1980), is that, "the torturer has become, like the pirate and the slave trader before him, hostis humani generis, an enemy of all mankind."[39]
Part I (Articles 1-16) defines torture (Article 1), and commits parties to taking effective measures to prevent any act of torture in any territory under their jurisdiction (Article 2). These include ensuring that torture is a criminal offence (Article 4), establishing jurisdiction over acts of torture committed by or against a party's citizens (Article 5), ensuring that torture is an extraditable offence (Article 8), and establishing universal jurisdiction to try cases of torture where an alleged torturer cannot be extradited (Article 5). Parties must promptly investigate any allegation of torture (Articles 12 & 13), and victims of torture must have an enforceable right to compensation (Article 14). Parties must also ban the use of evidence produced by torture in their courts (Article 15), and are barred from deporting, extraditing or refouling people where there are substantial grounds for believing they will be tortured (Article 3).
Parties are also obliged to prevent other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment, and to investigate any allegation of such treatment within their jurisdiction (Article 16).
Part II (articles 17 - 24) governs reporting and monitoring of the Convention and the steps taken by the parties to implement it. It establishes the Committee against Torture (Article 17), and empowers it to investigate allegations of systematic torture (Article 20). It also establishes an optional dispute-resolution mechanism between parties (Articles 21) and allows parties to recognise the competence of the Committee to hear complaints from individuals about violations of the Convention by a party (Article 22).
Ban on torture and cruel and degrading treatment
Article 2 of the convention prohibits torture, and requires parties to take effective measures to prevent it in any territory under its jurisdiction. This prohibition is absolute and non-derogable. "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever"[5] may be invoked to justify torture, including war, threat of war, internal political instability, public emergency, terrorist acts, violent crime, or any form of armed conflict.[6] Torture cannot be justified as a means to protect public safety or prevent emergencies.[6] Neither can it be justified by orders from superior officers or public officials.[7] The prohibition on torture applies to all territories under a party's effective jurisdiction, and protects all people under its effective control, regardless of citizenship or how that control is exercised.[6] Since the Conventions entry into force, this absolute prohibition has become accepted as a principle of customary international law.[6]
Ban on refoulement
Article 3 prohibits parties from returning, extraditing or refouling any person to a state "where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture".[8] The Committee against Torture has held that this danger must be assessed not just for the initial receiving state, but also to states to which the person may be subsequently expelled, returned or extradited.[9]
Definition of torture
Article 1 of the Convention defines torture as:
Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions. --- Convention Against Torture, Article 1.1
Here’s another!
Inter-American Convention
The Inter-American Convention to Prevent and Punish Torture, currently ratified by 17 nations of the Americas and in force since 28 February 1987, defines torture more expansively than the United Nations Convention Against Torture.
"For the purposes of this Convention, torture shall be understood to be any act intentionally performed whereby physical or mental pain or suffering is inflicted on a person for purposes of criminal investigation, as a means of intimidation, as personal punishment, as a preventive measure, as a penalty, or for any other purpose. Torture shall also be understood to be the use of methods upon a person intended to obliterate the personality of the victim or to diminish his physical or mental capacities, even if they do not cause physical pain or mental anguish.
But Wait – There’s MORE!
DoD Directive 2310 is a policy of the United States of America that concerns the treatment of enemy prisoners, particularly those classified as "unlawful combatants". The directive was modified in September 2006 in response to concerns about inhumane treatment of suspected Al Qaeda terrorists captured during the second Gulf War.
* It incorporates prohibitions against cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment.
* Interrogators may not force a detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts or pose in a sexual manner. They may not use hoods or place sacks over a detainee's head or use duct tape over his eyes. They may not beat or electrically shock or burn him or inflict other forms of physical pain, any form of physical pain. They may not use water boarding. They may not use hypothermia or treatment which might lead to heat injury. They may not perform mock executions. They may not deprive detainees of the necessary food, water and medical care. They may not use dogs in any aspect of interrogations. [1]
_________________
So to all of you deniers, I say... If you don't LIKE the law, then work to change it. But there is no denying that, with his admission to having authorized torture, Dick Cheney is a war criminal.
~What are jihadists?
March 17, 2009 - 11:19 ET by choselife3xThe relentless and often vicious persecution by Muslims against Christians and Jews is seldom recognised or understood. Many assume that the concept of Jihad, or holy war, espoused by Muslim leaders like the Aytollah Khomeini and demonstrated in terror bombings are Aberrations not truly representative of Islam:
"We shall export our revolution, to the whole world. Until the cry 'Allahu Akbar' resounds over the whole world. There will be struggle. There will be Jihad . . . Islam is the religion of militant individuals…..Islam will be victorious in all the countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Quran will prevail all over the world . . . This is the duty that all Muslims must fulfil….."
These were the often-repeated public pronouncements of the Ayatollah Khomeini after the revolution in Iran in 1979 ("The Blood of the Moon '', by George Grant).
Nor was the Ayatollah alone in such militant threats. Abdul Aziz Ibn-Saud declared:
"We shall never call for or accept a negotiated peace. We shall only accept war Jihad the holy war. We have resolved to drench the lands of Palestine and Arabia with the blood of the infidels or to accept martyrdom for the glory of Allah."
The President of Sudan, Lt. Gen. Al Bashir, has often spoken of Jihad. At the 40th anniversary of Sudan's independence, Al Bashir celebrated the spirit of Jihad which was engulfing the people of Sudan. The head of Sudan's ruling party, the National Islamic Front (NIF), Dr Al Turabi, has often declared his goal of an Islamic empire controlling (initially) the horn of Africa (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Somalia, Kenya, Uganda and Sudan). This he calls the Grand Islamic Project.
At a two-week conference of Muslim leaders from 80 countries, hosted by Muammar Gaddafi in Tripoli, Libya (October 1995), strategies to transform Africa into an Islamic continent were discussed. Participants openly admitted that their goals were to make Arabic the primary language of the continent and Islam the official religion. One SA Member of Parliament, Farouk Cassim declared: "It will probably be the biggest revolution to sweep Africa." Head of the Islamic Propagation Centre International (IPCI), Yousuf Deedat announced afterwards that South Africa was high on the agenda of the Islamic offensive: "We are going to turn South Africa into a Muslim state. We have the money to do it," (Sunday Times 22/10/95). At present less than 2 percent of South Africans are Muslims.
What few Westerners understand, however, is that those Muslim leaders who call for the overthrow of all governments and the establishment of an Islamic superstate controlling all aspects of life for every person on earth are not extremists on the fringe of Islam. Actually, Jihad, the subjugation and forcible conversion of all people to Islam and world domination are central tenants of Islam. Jihad is ranked by many Muslims as the sixth pillar of Islam.
Jihad was so important to the founder of Islam, Muhammad, that he declared it to be the second most important deed in Islam.
"Allah's apostle was asked, 'What is the best deed?' He replied, 'To believe in Allah and his Apostle. 'The questioner then asked, 'What is the next (in goodness)? 'He replied, 'To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's cause."' - The Hadith, Al Bukhari, Vol.1 no 25.
Muslims, in fact, divide the world into two sectors: Dar-al-Islam (the House of Islam) and Dar-al-Harb (The House of War). The only countries considered to be at peace are those where Islamic law (the Sharia) is enforced.
Islam in Arabic means submission, surrender or subjugation. A Muslim is one who submits. The Arabic word for peace is Salam. Islam is the active form of Salam. Muslims see themselves as a 'peace making force", using argument, intrigue, commerce, threats, terrorism, warfare and every other means possible to secure Islam as the only religion worldwide.
Muslims are not permitted to make peace with a non-Muslim country until its inhabitants surrender to Islam. They can agree to a cease-fire for a period of time - but never to peace with non-Muslims.
The Quran teaches that Muslims are superior to others: "Ye (Muslims) are the best of peoples evolved for mankind..," Surah 3:110.
Muslims are forbidden to befriend Jews or Christians: "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors. They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is one of them... "Surah 5:54.
Islam instructs its adherents to fight until their opponents submit. Christians and Jews may be spared if they pay "Jizya" - a penalty tax - with willing submission: "Fight those who believe not in God nor the last day... Nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay Jizya (tribute taxes) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued" Surah 9:29.
"Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait (ambush) for them in every strategem (of war) . . ." Surah 9:5 (also 2:193).
For those who resist Islam - execution or mutilation is decreed: "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution or crucifixion, or the cutting off of the hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land. Surah 5:36,
Muslims also view the Hadith, which is a record of the words and deeds of Muhammad, as inspired. Next to the Quran, it is the most important source of Islamic Law. Its teachings are regarded as binding on all Muslims.
The Hadith teaches that apostasy is punishable by death: "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. "Vol.9:57.
A Muslim may not be punished for killing a non-Muslim: "No Muslim should he killed for killing a kafir (infidel). "Vol. 9:50
Those who die in holy war are guaranteed to go to Heaven. "The person who participates in Jihad (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). "Vol. 1:35
It may be hard for Christians to understand the concept of such a militant religion, but the primary aim of Islam is not spiritual but political. The ultimate purpose of Islam is the establishment by force of a worldwide Islamic state where Sharia law is enforced on all.
Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism
→ Chose
March 17, 2009 - 11:31 ET by Cool ArrowThey are freedom fighters.
They are missionaries in a foreign land.
Literal German translation of Jihad is Mein Kampf. (My struggle)
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
~ Those "missionaries" are gonna get some "freedom"
March 17, 2009 - 11:42 ET by choselife3xShoved where the sun don't shine when they start this crap in my country.
Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism
Yeah, I get it...
March 17, 2009 - 13:56 ET byRadical Islam = BAD. Got it. AGREED.
But basically your response to my post is "Ok, so it is against the law, and so that does make Dick Cheney a war criminal... but they're even worse than we are and they deserve it, so it's ok." That's just the sort of argument from "situational ethics" that conservatives rail so against.
I've stated before that I don't give a crap about the Jihadists, and yeah -- show me an actual "ticking time bomb" scenario and I'll go medieval on his Arab ass. Hell, hand me a pistol and put me in a room with Bin Laden and I'll personally put a bullet in his hairy head. And then I'll take whatever consequences come my way for having engaged in situational ethics for the good of my nation.(And yes, I actually do believe in situational ethics. In the real world we practice them every day of our lives.)
My argument on these threads is and always has been that there is a vast difference in doing what has to be done in a unique situation and INSTITUTING TORTURE AS POLICY.
In doing the latter we have forfeited any moral legitimacy we have before the world for waging this war. It becomes, in the eyes of the very nations we need on our side, not a war of good against evil, but a battle between two equally evil forces. Thanks, Dick.
What's more, we drive away the "moderate" Muslims. It's been widely acknowledged that the way we treated prisoners at Abu Ghraib was the single greatest recruiting tool in Al Quada's bag of tricks. In interviews with dozens of prisoners there by the Red Cross, 100% said they joined the jihad because of Abu Ghraib!
And the sad part is, we don't need to torture. People died at Abu Ghraib. Not one of them was a "ticking time bomb". I'm betting you've read the same reports from Army interrogators that I have. Every single one says they get more and better information using pursuasive techniques than through torture.
Too many on this thread want to paint me as an enemy sympathiser, a "commie puke", and worse. Conservatives just seem to refuse to believe that Liberals want to win this war just as badly as they do... we just happen to think it's better to use techniques that actually work, rather than techniques that acccomplish nothing more than to satisfy our blood lust for revenge.
~Cheney is NOT a 'war criminal'
March 17, 2009 - 14:21 ET by choselife3xIslamists LAUGH at people like you. While they are ripping off genitals, burning people alive, gouging eyes out, raping and beheading, WE'RE standing around arguing about whether or not 'humiliation' constitutes torture.
I notice you have not researched what laws the terrorists are breaking with their 'policies'.
Why don't you compile a list of humanitarian abuses perpetrated by Islamists, compare it to your list above, and get back to us.
They torture people to death for sport, we have waterboarded three people to obtain life-saving information.
There is no comparison.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
So then...
March 17, 2009 - 14:42 ET byLet's just go ahead and institute "ripping off genitals, burning people alive, gouging eyes out, raping and beheading" as official U.S. policy too!
Nice way to dodge the point, but your argument still boils down to nothing more that "Yeah, but they're even worse than we are." Sorry, but being proud because "at least we're not as bad as the most evil people on the planet" ain't exactly the kind of "American ideals" I grew up with. If that's how you define greatness then I pity you, and I pity this great nation.
Whatever happened to Reagan's ideal "shining city on a hill"?
→ Pi
March 17, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Cool ArrowYour analogous righteousness has no limit, does it?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
In other words...
March 17, 2009 - 15:04 ET by"I can't really counter your point, so I'll just make fun of the way you make it."
→ Not surprising
March 17, 2009 - 15:14 ET by Cool ArrowAccording to your Liberal theology, you're killing a child or a sea cow every time you turn the ignition key.
OHH THE HUGE MANATEES!!!
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Ummm...
March 17, 2009 - 15:28 ET bySorry dude, but that makes absolutely no sense at all.
→ Sorry Pi
March 17, 2009 - 15:53 ET by Cool ArrowShould I type slower?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Perhaps
March 17, 2009 - 16:49 ET byIf it helps you pull your thoughts together into a cohesive post, then perhaps you should.
→ Almost an hour
March 17, 2009 - 16:55 ET by Cool ArrowAlmost an hour and you finally answer.
You're picking up with that Evelyn Wood.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
~Shining city on a hill?
March 17, 2009 - 15:32 ET by choselife3xYou mean the one that jihadists have sworn to destroy at all costs?
They will literally burn that city to dust and ashes if we don't stop them, and you're worrying about their physical comfort? You are concerned that we might not adequately respect the human rights of people who will gladly rape your wife and kill your children? How sporting of you.
What happened to pulling their fingernails out yourself to stop an attack? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, we did what we did to those 3 people because we were trying to stop an attack?
Looking at the facts objectively, you have to admit that we treat these prisoners better than any country has in the history of the world.
How many people died in POW camps in the last century? Were they adequately housed and fed? What kind of medical treatment did they receive?
Our prisoners are well-fed, have access to state-of-the-art care, and enjoy the best treatment of any POWs in history. And they aren't even lawful soldiers in uniform.
How can you excuse your shameful attitude toward your own country?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
~Where's my pie?
March 17, 2009 - 22:12 ET by choselife3xI've got five posts just hanging out there unanswered. No pie.
No crow pie, no humble pie, no pizza pie, no pie hole, no pie in the sky in the sweet by and by.
I WANT MY PIE.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Check your message box.
March 17, 2009 - 22:18 ET by BlazerCheck your message box. Seem's our lil' sweety pie is really just a 22 yr. old fan of goth porn and anime/ manga.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Nope
March 18, 2009 - 00:01 ET byThey're "hanging out there" because, as I told you, I refuse to engage you any longer until you show me you can engage in honest debate.
Now... if you tell me "Ok, you're right pi314, you've never posted anything that would indicate that you're 'on the side of the terrorists'..." then perhaps we can take up the discussion again.
And contrary to what you've read below, I'm 54 years old, I am FAR from "goth" lolol... and if I ever visited porn sites my wife would have my b*lls in a lemon squeezer before you could say "Impeach Bush/Cheney".
"pi314" is a very common name on the web. My initials happen to be PI, so I actually have some valid claim to it. But all the same... for whatever reason, there are lots of us out there.
Some people are just dumb enough and inexperienced enough on the web to think they're smaarter than they are. They're not.
I told you, I refuse to
March 18, 2009 - 00:35 ET by BlazerI told you, I refuse to engage you any longer until you show me you can engage in honest debate.
Please, spare me. I've seen the kind of vitriol and namecalling and honest debate you engage in on your favorite sites like Toilet Paper Memo and Kook's And Liar's, concerning us right-wing-nut's.
Don't come here to our house and expect us to be civil to you, when you don't do it in your own house, hypocrite.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Nope
March 18, 2009 - 00:05 ET byThey're "hanging out there" because, as I told you, I refuse to engage you any longer until you show me you can engage in honest debate.
Now... if you tell me "Ok, you're right pi314, you've never posted anything that would indicate that you're 'on the side of the terrorists'..." then perhaps we can take up the discussion again.
And contrary to what you've read below, I'm 54 years old, I am FAR from "goth" lolol... and if I ever visited porn sites my wife would have my b*lls in a lemon squeezer before you could say "Impeach Bush/Cheney".
"pi314" is a very common name on the web. My initials happen to be PI, so I actually have some valid claim to it. But all the same... for whatever reason, there are lots of us out there.
Some people are just dumb enough and inexperienced enough on the web to think they're smaarter than they are. They're not.
So then...
March 17, 2009 - 14:43 ET byLet's just go ahead and institute "ripping off genitals, burning people alive, gouging eyes out, raping and beheading" as official U.S. policy too!
Nice way to dodge the point, but your argument still boils down to nothing more than "Yeah, but they're even worse than we are." Sorry, but being proud because "at least we're not as bad as the most evil people on the planet" ain't exactly the kind of "American ideals" I grew up with. If that's how you define greatness then I pity you, and I pity this great nation.
Whatever happened to Reagan's ideal "shining city on a hill"?
Let's just go ahead and
March 17, 2009 - 15:10 ET by sherylsims"Let's just go ahead and institute "ripping off genitals, burning people alive, gouging eyes out, raping and beheading" as official U.S. policy too! "
I think the point is that we don't. The part you fail to recognize is that we are in a WAR with the people who do those things. Lets just play nice though. Wouldn't want to make them angry with us after all. If we catch them on the battlefield, lets invite them over for tea. Maybe they will like us then and we can all be friends.
Again...
March 17, 2009 - 15:39 ET by...and again and again and again and Jesus how many times am I going to have to make this point before you freakin get it?!?!
I am not in favor of "playing nice", "inviting them for tea", "being friends"! I am in favor of using techniques and waging this war effectively, as opposed to using techniques that don't work and in many cases only make matters worse -- worse for our national image, worse for our war effort, and worse for our soldiers in the field!
Go back through my posts and show me anywhere where I indicated we should coddle the enemy.
And if the best you can do is simply regurgitate Hannityisms about Libs loving the Jihadists and wanting to invite them in for tea, then I'm wasting my time even bothering to address you.
So what do you suggest?
March 17, 2009 - 15:42 ET by sherylsimsSo what do you suggest? What works better in a war situation to get information from an enemy combatant?
→ Sheryl
March 17, 2009 - 15:51 ET by Cool ArrowAccording to Pi, it's more humane to treat captives like the Clinton Administration did.
Turn them over to the Egyptians for interrogation. Highly effective, mind you, and Americans didn't get their hands dirty.
Of course that leaves Pi314 plenty of time to ogle orphaned girl scouts.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"ogle orphaned girl scouts"...?
March 17, 2009 - 16:59 ET byFor those of you new to this discussion....
My daughter is a Girl Scout. I go to meetings with her, my wife and I alternate. Sounds likek the kind of family and fatherly involvement conservatives applaud, huh?
I mentioned on another thread that there is a girl in her troop who had no one to take her to the annual Father/Daughter Square Dance because her father diedon 9/11.
And from that we come to me "ogl[ing] orphaned girl scouts".
First, Arrow, where from the depths of your f%#*ing filthy mind did you pull that?
Second, is there something in the Official Right Wing Playbook that says "When you can't make a valid argument, go ad hominum"?
You've just shown me and the rest of this thrread what a vacuous and sick mind I've been wasting my time arguing with.
And with that... I'm tired, it's martini time, and I'm outta here.
→ The easy out
March 17, 2009 - 17:09 ET by Cool ArrowIt's not a new trick. You have the choice between defending the Clinton Administration's use of Snatch & Rendition to torture captives and snivelling off in a snit.
Enjoy your martinis. Try not to snivel in them
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
What I reecommend...
March 17, 2009 - 19:02 ET by...is the same thing recomended by Army interrogators. Pursuasive techniques, which have a much better track record than torture.
→ Too many martinis?
March 17, 2009 - 19:09 ET by Cool ArrowYou're obviously drunk now.
Pursuasive techniques? You mean like questionnaires?
Uplifting speeches from Earl Nightingale?
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
"You're obviously drunk now"
March 18, 2009 - 00:14 ET byNot even close. And if you get drunk off one martini then perhaps you should limit your internet activity to Disney.com and Nickolodeon.
§ Hello Pi...I'm Ster. I Debate "Trolls". Are You A Troll???
March 18, 2009 - 00:26 ET by TheSterI can go Toe to Toe with you.
Any Rules??
I will Adjust to your "Argument" on a Post to Post Debate.
READY??
You Start.
You Name the Issue.
I'll Play off you...
If you got a Debate...I'll Debate.
If you go Personal...I'll Play.
Test me. I'm Good.
Waiting...
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
Not sure what you're asking for
March 18, 2009 - 10:15 ET byYou're welcome to jump into this debate any time, not up to me to allow or disallow.
If you mean, like, take it offline and debate by email then thanks, but nah. Nothing we could say that can't be said here in public. Besidces, I kinda like the ten-against-one thing.
~Masochist
March 18, 2009 - 10:23 ET by choselife3x*snapping whip*
Answer my posts. Start with my KKK analogy.
Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism
CL3X
March 18, 2009 - 11:36 ET by RESTLESS 1I grow more envious of your husband with your every post. ;)
"This liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
*smooch*
March 18, 2009 - 12:01 ET by choselife3xHope and Change= Despair and Socialism
What's more, we drive
March 17, 2009 - 14:40 ET by sherylsimsWhat's more, we drive away the "moderate" Muslims.
Those are the ones who will only cut your head halfway off.
Yeah, well...
March 17, 2009 - 14:49 ET byFunny line... but either we convince the moderates -- the overwhelming majority of Muslims -- to side with against the worst among them... or we wipe several billion Muslims off the face of the Earth. Now, I know what will be the choice of most posters on this thread... But which do you think we might ever actually accomplish?
~If they were, in fact, 'moderate'
March 17, 2009 - 15:00 ET by choselife3xThey wouldn't NEED convincing. Hmmmmmm..do I side with people who cut dissenter's heads off, or do I side with people who practice freedom of speech and religion? *drumming fingers on table....decisions, decisions....*
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Even "moderates"...
March 17, 2009 - 15:15 ET by...when they see their own neighbors and countrymen being subjected to torture and dying in places like Abu Ghraib at the hands of foreign forces, are going to side with their own. That's basic human nature. (Like the way I used to beat up my little brother, but nobody else better beat up my little brother!)
~You aren't siding
March 17, 2009 - 15:36 ET by choselife3xWith your own.
You're siding with those who would cut your head off just because you're an American. Big of ya.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
→ And why?
March 17, 2009 - 15:43 ET by Cool ArrowYou don't find many foxhole philosophers.
No, liberal philosophers, in particular, develop their treatises over drinks and flirtatious banter.
It worked pretty well for my purposes back in college. But eventually, I had to quit chasing women.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Please...
March 17, 2009 - 15:49 ET byIf you've read my posts and can actually write with a straight face that I side with the Jihadists, then you and I have nothing more to discuss. You've just abandoned all claim to being able to engage in honest discourse.
~??
March 17, 2009 - 16:00 ET by choselife3xOkay, on the one hand (ha ha) you threaten to rip fingernails off terrorists to stop an attack. On the other hand, you condemn Cheney for ordering a much less bloody and painful procedure done to stop an attack.
Which is it?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Oh my GOD
March 17, 2009 - 21:53 ET byHow can you not understand the difference in global political ramifications between A) A soldier or citizen in the field acting according to circumstances and doing what s/he feels needs to be done to avert an imminent attack -- and accepting that s/he may have to answer for those actions! -- and B) INSTITUTING TORTURE AS GOVERNMENT POLICY!???!!
Are you really THAT FREAKING DENSE?!
you no doubt have a memo
March 17, 2009 - 22:30 ET by botgyou no doubt have a memo that states "it will hereafter be official policy to torture" don't you?
"Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend,------------inside a dog it's too dark to read" ---Groucho
~Down boy
March 17, 2009 - 22:52 ET by choselife3xAhhhhh...'Global political implications'. You mean like how the Muslims will think we are complete p****s who won't defend ourselves?
Tell me pie, what happens when sharks smell blood in the water?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Moderates
March 17, 2009 - 15:03 ET by sherylsimsSo you think that we will somehow convince them (with our good behavior of course) that they are wrong and that OUR way (which we are exhibiting with our good behavior?) is better? That just shows that you don't understand them at all.
Well...
March 17, 2009 - 15:08 ET byTake a look at what's happening now in Iraq, now that we have the moderate Muslims on our side.
Wait...
March 17, 2009 - 15:18 ET by sherylsimsIf the waterboarding helps us get information that will allow us to continue to protect the non-radicals then the moderates are probably all for it. (Don't know, I haven't talked to any)
Could be...
March 17, 2009 - 15:53 ET byI haven't talked to any either. But thank God we don't form policy based on what makes foreigners feel better.
But that was YOUR
March 17, 2009 - 15:59 ET by sherylsimsBut that was YOUR argument. That we didn't want to lose the support of the moderate muslims. So yes, thank God we don't form policy based on that. But it was what you said earlier.
Sorry, you're confusing me...
March 17, 2009 - 16:10 ET byWe didn't gain their support by torturing their countrymen. According to all evidence that actually drove more of them to the extremist camp. And if you're saying thaat we have to torture the extremists to keep the moderates safe, then I refer you back to my post regarding the unanimous testimony of our military interrogators, who have told Congress they get much better and more accurate information using less-harsh, pursuasive tactics.
~What about our tortured countrymen?
March 17, 2009 - 20:03 ET by choselife3xHas that provoked any of our people to become suicide bombers? According to your logic, any American who decides to murder Islamic civilians in retaliation for his tortured countrymen is justified.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
→ Give it up chose
March 17, 2009 - 20:17 ET by Cool ArrowAs long as Pi can hire a hitman to do his dirty work, his conscience is clean.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
§ Cool, Chose...NEVER GIVE UP!!!
March 17, 2009 - 20:30 ET by TheSterI confront EVERY Lib I come across.
Once they SPIT OUT their Talking points...
...they run out of ammo from Media Matters....
...the Debate is OURS!!!
Ster.
My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives.
~He doesn't seem to like my analogies
March 17, 2009 - 20:35 ET by choselife3xHe won't answer any of them...
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
→ Riiiight Pi
March 17, 2009 - 15:05 ET by Cool ArrowJust like all those moderate Germans who stood up to Hitler, huh?
No doubt moderate Germans existed, they just let the river roll on without much complaint. It was flowing pretty much in their favor.
Truth is, if you flatter people with a message of genetic superiority, they'll follow you anywhere.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Again...
March 17, 2009 - 15:21 ET byLook at what's going on now in Iraq!
So what's your answer, Arrow? Nuke the entire middle east? Wipe billions of Muslims off the face of the Earth? Be an occupation force forever in every Muslim country? What's your solution? You mock me for saying we should have moderate Muslims onn our side -- even when we know that when they are on our side we can keep the radicals at bay, as we're doing now in Iraq... You mock that idea.
So what's your big idea, big guy? C'mon, as the ever-rude Blazer said to me, "put up or shut up!"
→ Pi314
March 17, 2009 - 15:47 ET by Cool ArrowHere we go.
If you really believe what you're saying, you will here and now, denounce any attempt by the United States, regardless of alliances, to intercede militarily in Darfur.
Go ahead, peacenik, say it. And I'll bookmark the $hit out of it for future reference.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I will not...
March 17, 2009 - 16:00 ET byBecause I'm not a "peacenik"! Geesh, don't you people read my posts before you attempt to answer them?
I happen to think we should get involved in Darfur -- in some way. But whatever way we get involved it should be because we can be effective, not because certain people on this thread want to cream their jeans at the sight of African villages being carppet bombed and child soldiers waterboarded.
→ That's great
March 17, 2009 - 16:03 ET by Cool ArrowYou're ready to commit troops to Darfur because the liberal cause is pushing for it.
It's all killing, Pi. You've already abandoned your principles.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I've abandoned nothing
March 17, 2009 - 16:24 ET byMy principles do not include "not killing". See "not peacenik" reference, above.
See, this is what I'm saying... None of you actually seem to pay attention to what I write. You simply project your Hannity/Rush/Levin-inspired dittohead cliches onto me, and then accuse me of being whatever the right wing squawking heads tell you liberals are. So of course, every "liberal"is -- by your definition -- a peacenik, hates America, wants Saddam back in power, hopes to turn the U.S. into a socialist/communist nation...
Dude... turn off the radio. Try thinking for yourself for a change. Try engaging some actual liberals as I'm trying to engage you conservatives here, rather than just sitting behind your keyboards abnd hurling insults at them.
Who knows, you might learn something.
→ You're just a lib
March 17, 2009 - 16:29 ET by Cool ArrowSo incensed over probably three waterboardings under Bush, but no condemnation over the 50+ renditions by the Clinton administration.
If you were somewhat consistent in your beliefs, you might get some respect, but don't come in here with both faces and expect us to take you seriously.
You shoulda' kept one of them hidden.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
And...
March 17, 2009 - 16:03 ET byYou still haven't answered my question. What's your solution? Nuke a couple of billion Muslims? Or find a way to get the moderates inour camp? Or something in between? Hmmm...?
*crickets*
→ Somewhere in between
March 17, 2009 - 16:07 ET by Cool ArrowYou point out extremes and ignore the continuum. How about we kill our enemies until their remnant surrender.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Why?
March 17, 2009 - 16:15 ET byBecause they never, ever will. Because the more of them we kill, the more they're able to recruit. Because the war you describe would be handed down to our great grandchildren.
Hasn't it already proved
March 17, 2009 - 16:33 ET by balboaHasn't it already proved effective to engage the moderates?
Yes
March 17, 2009 - 19:07 ET byThank you. Exactly the point I've tried to make in previous posts.
→ The moderates
March 17, 2009 - 19:15 ET by Cool ArrowLike the Khmer Rouge?
I hadn't thought you might also be Ted Kennedy.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
So...
March 17, 2009 - 19:12 ET byApparently someone deleted your reference to my being a pervert for attending my daughter's girl scout meetings.
Lucky you.
→ Say what?
March 17, 2009 - 19:44 ET by Cool ArrowI didn't call you a pervert. If you've made that leap, it's your own observation based on self examination.
I'm already past your lack of concern after 9/11. I realize people like you exist.
Lucky? For what?
And BTW, I can prove you wrong.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
I found it
March 17, 2009 - 21:10 ET byIt wasn't deleted. Blame the slow scrolling.
All the same, any further discussion with you...?
NOT gonna heppen. You abdicated any right to participate in civil discourse with your "ogling" comment. You have to have a truly sick mind to come up with something like that.
And don't tell me I'm engaging in "self examination" you disingenuous ass. That was about the most vile comment I've ever received.
~Solution
March 17, 2009 - 16:17 ET by choselife3xWhy do WE need a solution? What is the problem and who is creating it?
Have Christians beheaded Muslims? Have Israelis sent suicide bombers into crowded Muslim markets? Have westerners targeted Muslim civilians? Hijacked planes and flown them into buildings?
If people aren't strongly against murdering innocent civilians, they aren't 'moderate' Muslims. There's nothing 'moderate' about condoning wanton mass murder.
If the KKK killed 3,000 innocent people would you speak out vociferously? Or would you look on in silence?
And the Iraqis you're talking about aren't 'moderate', they're secular.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Big fat fail for the liar.
March 17, 2009 - 11:24 ET by JWFThe liar fails to actually prove how waterboarding equates with actual torture where torture is banned by U.S. LAW.
The liar fails to prove that lawyers working for the U.S government are wrong when they have issued a LEGAL BASIS for the use of waterboarding in 2002-2003.
Now the liar is a poophouse lawyer too.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Geesh...
March 17, 2009 - 14:02 ET byGo back and read my post.
You're like that kid on the playground whose only argument is "Nah UH! NAH UH!"
Defending Pi314
March 17, 2009 - 14:44 ET by Cool ArrowPi, I don't think any of us really know if you're big and fat.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
lol
March 17, 2009 - 14:54 ET byWith all the beer I drink...
~Another question
March 17, 2009 - 11:39 ET by choselife3xHow do this and this and this little gem stack up to making terrorists feel uncomfortable?
Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism
@12:06 ET by pi314Yea,
March 17, 2009 - 20:26 ET by Blazer@12:06 ET by pi314
Yea, keep in mind that applies to military personnel of regular armed forces of an enemy nation and not terrorist's (enemy combatant's) as allready applied for in the Geneva convention.
Also many of the enemy combatant's came from countries we are not formally at war with, and the DOD docs and the Geneva convention does not appy to insurgent's regaurdless of where they're from.
Keep in mind during Clinton's tenure there were purportedly between 70-150 extraordinary rendition's (kidnapping's) against folk's we were not formally at war with, but who were formally at war with us, outsourced under the direction of the C.I.A, to nation's like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, that practice method's of torture that would make waterboarding look like dipping your toe's in a kiddie pool.
These were performed with the full knowlege of both Bill Clinton and Sandy Berger with some of the torture purportedly resulted in death under extreme physical duress or execution.
Also from left leaning WAPO on waterboarding and torture:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html
In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
Among the techniques described, said two officials present, was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder, two U.S. officials said.
"The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
The lawmakers who held oversight roles during the period included Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) and Sens. Bob Graham (D-Fla.) and John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), as well as Rep. Porter J. Goss (R-Fla.) and Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan).
Individual lawmakers' recollections of the early briefings varied dramatically, but officials present during the meetings described the reaction as mostly quiet acquiescence, if not outright support. "Among those being briefed, there was a pretty full understanding of what the CIA was doing," said Goss, who chaired the House intelligence committee from 1997 to 2004 and then served as CIA director from 2004 to 2006. "And the reaction in the room was not just approval, but encouragement."
So by your logic, I'll take it , not only should our former VP be brought up charges and incarcerated, but also Democrats Bill Clinton, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Graham, and John Rockefeller and any other Dem and Republican who had direct knowledge or witnessed these event's firsthand ?
Is it actual justice you seek or just spiteful partisan revenge ?
I'll bet the latter of the two.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Nice Try...
March 17, 2009 - 22:14 ET by...but I've never denied that Democratic leaders in Congress may have been complicit. But they weren't the ones running the show, were they...
As for Bill Clinton.... I apologize, but I'm really not up to speed on what he may or may not have done vis a vis "extroardinary rendition". If his actions were criminal then yes, he should be prosecuted for it. But it's just a dodge on your part to excuse the Bush administration by saying "Well Clinton did it too!" My daughter came up with better excuses on the playground when she was three. Hell, one poster is even referring back to the Khmer Rouge!!! I mean seriously, WTF?!?!
I'm getting bored, this
March 17, 2009 - 22:24 ET by BlazerI'm getting bored, this thread has grown old and tired.
You know what I'm really in the mood for ?
Goth porn.
(*Content Warning* )
http://suicidegirls.com/members/pi314/
and cheesy online games.
http://www.kongregate.com/accounts/pi314
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
LOL
March 17, 2009 - 22:46 ET by RESTLESS 1Geez, even the loser members at those sites seem to be ignoring him. No wonder he comes here for attention. LOL..
This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
here's another one, from
March 17, 2009 - 23:07 ET by Blazerhere's another one, from get this, Talking Point's Memo.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/003352.phppi314
wrote on June 5, 2007 4:48 PM:
I
love it when they turn on each other! Here's a post by Lucianne
Goldberg on her own site. The old painted whore is incensed that all
those right wingers are actually mad at W!
"Reply 36 - Posted by: Lucianne, 6/5/2007 3:55:29 PM
I am personally closing this thread. If people posting here hate the
President so much I invite them to leave this site. There are many
other places on the web for you to vent this kind of anger but I have
had it with these comments. Write and ask to be blocked. Stop posting.
Go away until you get control of your anger or just quit. Any decision
is fine but I will no longer tolerate comments like this. Take it or
leave it. This site has always been a meeting place for like minded
people. If you are no longer one of those. Leave."
HAhahahAH i love it
Yea,, no surprise there. Just what I expected. typical liberal troll.
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"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer
March 17, 2009 - 23:19 ET by RESTLESS 1I'm confused. I thought that we evil persons on the right were the vitriolic ones full of hate.
"The old painted whore is incensed..."???
Hmm, no hate or vitriol there.
(In the interest of full disclosure, I have made some vitriolic comments about Helen Thomas, as well as others. The difference? I don't hold myself up as some uber-tolerant purveyor of all things NNNIIICCCCEEEE.)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Your nothing but a hatemonger Restless1
March 17, 2009 - 23:27 ET by shawn228I saw what you were screaming at the tv last time the Redskins beat the Cowboys. ;-)
He had my vote
Shawn,
March 17, 2009 - 23:49 ET by RESTLESS 1No doubt. When the Spurs or Cowboys lose to arch rivals, or anyone for that matter, I damn near gotta do a week of silence for penance.
It's a good thing the kids haven't broken out a swear jar yet. They would get rich during basketball and football season. :)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
HAH!@
March 18, 2009 - 00:30 ET byNow THAT ONE's mine! And I take proud credit!
I wonder
March 17, 2009 - 22:58 ET by RESTLESS 1If he even remembers this lovely post.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Restless. Well played
March 17, 2009 - 23:09 ET by BlazerRestless.
Well played sir.....well played.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
LMFAO...
March 18, 2009 - 00:24 ET byDo you have ANY IDEA how many "pi314"s there are on the web?!?! You newbie a$$ lol
~"Talk to the hand"?!
March 16, 2009 - 22:28 ET by choselife3xOkay, THAT made me laugh! Did you do the sassy little head shake?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
I DID actually!
March 16, 2009 - 23:25 ET byTossed my hip out of joint too! *ouch*
pi315, truer words have never spoken here, WOW
March 17, 2009 - 15:15 ET by upcountrywaterUPDATE, EDIT:That post is way ^ up there.
pi sez...
Not getting into it with you again. Don'cha remember" I'm a...
“nose-picking,
booger-eating liberal bedwetter, "communist puke”, “leftist cockholster”,
“dipshit”, “asshole”, "condescending douchnazzle
fuckwad”, “spoiled rotten little ignorant reprobate”,
“liberal shit-twizzler”, “cockwash”, among other things.
Just to clear up what in referring to ...
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No sarcasm
March 16, 2009 - 23:52 ET by merlin61You go ahead and ignore Dick Cheney. Who
cares!!!! He's a smart and decent man and he
can debate anyone and win, just like we won the
war in Iraq because of some of his guidance.
Got that, the war in Iraq was won, like it or not
pinhead.
It's funny to watch the MSM choose it's battles...
March 16, 2009 - 19:46 ET by MightyMouthImagine a media that actually is willing to present both sides!
I guess that goes counter to their "moral obligation" to tell us what is newsworthy (according to them of course).
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Mighty... ...and your
March 16, 2009 - 20:00 ET by bigtimerMighty...
...and your guess is correct in my opinion.
I can envision these Muslim
March 16, 2009 - 23:43 ET by RR GOPI can envision these Muslim terrorists sitting around sipping their tea and thinking: "How can we top 9-11...hmmmm....hmmmm...."
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
→ I know RR
March 16, 2009 - 23:54 ET by Cool ArrowBut first they need to convince people like Acts, Sterling, and Pi314 that they're just cuddly little ragamuffins.
Mission accomplished so far.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Top 9-11? Easy. Suitcase
March 16, 2009 - 23:57 ET by NL207Top 9-11? Easy. Suitcase nuke in Central Park.
Yeah, we have minimized
March 17, 2009 - 00:10 ET by RR GOPYeah, we have minimized these guys as being 'ragheads', 'camel jockeys' and the like for so long that they are still regarded as being backwards, medieval, harmless and to be merely pitied...9-11 we collectively treat as some kind of luck on their part...that they're too dumb to pull off something that big again.
They are to be taken quite seriously. They have the same brains as anybody else on the planet. And more resolve than most for their beliefs.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
Dick Cheney
March 17, 2009 - 08:11 ET by Arelis right Obama is and will continue to make our country less safe. You will never hear a peep from the MSM as they love Obama and to print anything negative will force them to eat crow and that is something they don't want to do. It won't be until there is another attack on American soil that they will be forced to admit that he made some really big mistakes where our country's safety is concerned but it will be too little to late.
I would love to have VP Dick
March 17, 2009 - 13:39 ET by JIMMY1660take on a Senate Hearing panel with no security restrictions. Congress and Senate would have to leave office. They knew everything that was going on everywhere. VP would put the spot light on the culprits.
BHO- ill equipped to lead America
poophouse lawyers need to stay over on DKos website
March 18, 2009 - 00:52 ET by JWFIt is not up to the contributors, posters, or commentors at NB to determine the legality of waterboarding. It is up to the Attorney General of the United States.
The current AG, Michael Mukasey, has addressed the issue.
a. It is not currently being used.
b. Should it be needed, it is up to the CIA director and the AG to determine the legality.
c. Should it ever be used, news of its use certainly will not be broadcast at NB.
So KosKids can take their little liberal turd bombs elsewhere and grab a nice tall glass of ice cold shut the hell up.
http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches/2008/letter-leahy-013008.pdf
Seal of the United States Department of Justice The Attorney General
Washington, D.C.
January 29,2008
The Honorable Patrick J. Leahy United States Senate Washington, DC 20510
Dear Chairman Leahy:
I write in response to your letter of January 23, 2008, concerning interrogation techniques, and in anticipation of my testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow. During my tenure as Attorney General, I have attempted to foster an atmosphere of candor and cooperation with this Committee. This letter is offered in that spirit.
Your letter, which was signed by several of your colleagues, follows up on a request you made to me in a letter dated October 23,2007. I responded to that inquiry in writing on October 30, 2007, explaining that I could not render an opinion about the legality of any specific techniques because "I have not been briefed on techniques used in any classified interrogation program conducted by any government agency." I assured you, however, that "if confirmed I will review any coercive interrogation techniques currently used by the United States Government and the legal analysis authorizing their use to assess whether such techniques comply with the law. If, after such a review, I determine that any technique is unlawful, I will not hesitate to so advise the President and will rescind or correct any legal opinion of the Department of Justice that supports use of the technique."
Since that time, I have conducted a thorough and careful review of the Department's legal analysis concerning the techniques that are currently authorized for use in the Central Intelligence Agency's program for interrogating high-value al Qaeda terrorists. I have kept the commitment that I made to you and to this Committee, and have concluded that the interrogation techniques currently authorized in the CIA program comply with the law.
Your January 23,2008, letter also asks if "the use of waterboarding as an interrogation technique [is] illegal under U.S. law, including treaty obligations." When I was asked the same question at my confirmation hearing and in your October 23, 2007, letter, I noted that I had not been provided information concerning any classified interrogation program, and that therefore "there [was] a real issue as to whether the techniques presented and discussed at the hearing and in your letter are even part of any program of questioning detainees."
During the course of my review, I have been briefed on the CIA interrogation program. A limited set of methods is currently authorized for use in that program. I have been authorized to disclose publicly that waterboarding is not among those methods. Accordingly, waterboarding is not, and may not be, used in the current program. There is a defined process by which any new method is proposed for authorization. That process would begin with the CIA Director's determination that the addition of the technique was required for the program. Then, the Attorney General would have to determine that the use of the technique is lawful under the particular conditions and circumstances proposed. Finally, the President would have to approve of the use of the technique as requested by the CIA Director and as deemed lawful by the Attorney General.
I understand that you and some other members of the Committee may feel that I should go further in my review, and answer questions concerning the legality of waterboarding under current law. I understand the strong interest in this question, but I do not think it would be responsible for me, as Attorney General, to provide an answer. As I explained to the Committee during my confirmation process, as a general matter, I do not believe that it is advisable to address difficult legal questions, about which reasonable minds can and do differ, in the absence of concrete facts and circumstances.
The principle that one should refrain from addressing difficult legal questions in the absence of concrete facts and circumstances has even more force as to this question. That is because any answer I give could have the effect of articulating publicly—and to our adversaries—the limits and contours of generally worded laws that define the limits of a highly classified interrogation program. Indeed, I understand that a number of Senators articulated this very concern in the fall of 2006, in the course of defeating an amendment that would have expressly prohibited waterboarding.
If this were an easy question, I would not be reluctant to offer my views on this subject. But, with respect, I believe it is not an easy question. There are some circumstances where current law would appear clearly to prohibit the use of waterboarding. Other circumstances would present a far closer question.
Reasonable people can disagree, and have disagreed, about these matters. That is not surprising: They involve application of generally worded legal provisions to complex factual situations in an area of the highest national interest. It is precisely because the issue is so important, and the questions so difficult, that I, as the Attorney General, should not provide answers absent a set of circumstances that call for those answers. Those circumstances do not present themselves today, and may never present themselves in the future.
I understand that I will be asked questions by the Committee about this topic tomorrow. I will answer those questions to the best of my ability, within the limits that I have described. I recognize that those limits may make my task today more difficult for me personally. But it is my job as Attorney General to do what I believe the law requires and what is best for the country, not what makes my life easier.
Despite disagreements we may have on this issue, I hope that the Committee will respect my judgment on this matter, and I hope and expect that we will find common ground on many other matters of great importance to this Committee and to the country—including, most importantly, our shared belief in the mission of the Department of Justice and the great work of its employees.
Yours sincerely, Michael B. Mukasey Signature of Michael B. Mukasey
cc: Ranking Member Arlen Specter All members of the Senate Judiciary Committee
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Furthermore, most people don't care about waterboarding.
March 18, 2009 - 00:04 ET by JWFWaterboarding is a way of simulating drowning. You make people THINK they are drowning. It is a mindfork game.
I often participate in my own mindfork games. I throw a wide haymaker from the left at hippies and make them think they are going to get punched in the temple.
It is funny because Hippies scare easily.
Then I follow with a sharp jab from the right and punch them in the nose.
Hippies cry when they see their own blood.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.