MSNBC's Joe Scarborough on WaPo Writer's Torture Claims: 'Bull!'

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"Morning Joe" host Joe Scarborough on Thursday aggressively clashed with his liberal co-anchor Mika Brzezinski and Washington Post editorial writer Jonathan Capehart about Guantanamo Bay and the definitions of torture. After Capehart asserted, "I do think there's a way to protect America without violating everything that we stand for and everything that we are," a clearly agitated Scarborough shot back, "That is bull!"

The MSNBC host continued, "What you are doing and, Mika, what you are doing and the rabid left, not you all, but the rabid left has done for the past seven years, is just say, 'We are going to apply new standards to the Geneva Convention.'" An undeterred Capehart retorted, "How about following the Geneva Convention?" This prompted Scarborough to lecture, "Oh, guess what, Jonathan? We are! Al Qaeda terrorists that don't wear uniforms. How about reading the Geneva Convention! Because, terrorists that try and blow up civilians are not protected under the Geneva Convention."

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Scarborough also launched into Brzezinski for claiming that ex-President Bush saddled Barack Obama with a "mess" in the form of the detention center at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. A very annoyed Scarborough corrected, "Osama bin Laden created the situation when he took down the Twin Towers! After his co-host reiterated, "He [Bush] created this situation which challenges every facet of our Constitution and what our country stands by," Scarborough extrapolated, "I want you to find me the Nazi prisoner that was read the Miranda rights on the beaches of Normandy! This is lunacy!" He then attacked, "You're blaming George Bush for protecting America!"

A partial transcript of the January 22 segment, which also included MSNBC analyst Pat Buchanan and aired at 6:43am, follows:

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: I'm refraining from debate because we're not going to have time for the next op-ed. Washington Post. Marc Thiessen. "2,688 days. As the new president receives his intelligence briefings, certain facts must now be apparent. Al Qaeda is actively working to attack our country again. And the policies and institutions that George W. Bush put in place to stop this are succeeding. During the campaign, Obama pledged to dismantle many of these policies. He follows through on those pledges at America's peril and had his own. If Obama weakens any of the defenses Bush put in place and terrorists strike our country again, America will hold Obama responsible and the Democratic Party could find itself unelectable for a generation."

JOE SCARBOROUGH: It's what we've been saying here, isn't it? That's what we've been talking about now for months.

BRZEZINSKI: I think it's a fine line and you know what? I would just like to add for the sake of argument that the problem that Obama confronts, for example, with Gitmo, is that this is a mess that President Bush has created. Creating this situation-

SCARBOROUGH: A mess that-

BRZEZINSKI: Hold on.

SCARBOROUGH: No, I'm not.

BRZEZINSKI: Creating a situation-

SCARBOROUGH: Osama bin Laden created the situation when he took down the Twin Towers!

BRZEZINSKI: Let me speak for a moment, please. I did not debate you on torture. But, let me debate you on this. He created this situation which challenges every facet of our Constitution and what our country stands by.

SCARBOROUGH: No, it doesn't! I cannot let you say that. You have got to listen, Mika!

BRZEZINSKI: It challenges our principles and now, the question is what to do with these people. It's wrong to have them sitting there for years and years and years on end.

SCARBOROUGH: Mika, that is speaking in generalities. Again-

BRZEZINSKI: As Obama works to-

SCARBOROUGH: I want you to find me the Nazi that was prisoner provided habeas corpus!

BRZEZINSKI: As Barack Obama-

SCARBOROUGH: I want you to find me the Nazi prisoner that was read the Miranda rights on the beaches of Normandy! This is lunacy!

BRZEZINSKI: All right. Let me speak. All I'm saying is this is a situation that is not good, Bush has put in place, and as Obama tries to deal with it is going to run a risk.

SCARBOROUGH: You're blaming George Bush for protecting America!

BRZEZINSKI: No, I'm not. I'm blaming him for creating a very bad-

SCARBOROUGH: He didn't create it. Osama bin Laden did!

BUCHANAN: Lets say we let 150 of these guys go 'cause we just can't make the case against them and they go out and blow up some airliners, would you talk to the parents of the children on those airliners and tell them, "We had to stand up for our ideals. That's why that guy is out there and that's why he put that bomb on that plane?"

BRZEZINSKI: And that is-

BUCHANAN: Would you take moral responsibility for it?

BRZEZINSKI: That is the challenge Obama has to deal with. And I'm not sure what to do now with this Gitmo-

BUCHANAN: But would you not feel responsible yourself for advocating that?

BRZEZINSKI: -And these people are sitting there. -Um, no. And that's my point and that's the point of this op-ed, is that the challenge is now in place, but not because Barack Obama has come up with some bad ideas. He has to now deal with the policies in place from the Bush administration.

SCARBOROUGH: You can't blame George Bush because we live in the age of terror!

BRZEZINSKI: I'm questioning him. I'm not blaming him.

SCARBOROUGH: Question him. That's fine. That's what we as Americans do.

BRZEZINSKI: I'm questioning the whole creation of Gitmo and why it's there and how it's being conducted and I think now Obama has a big problem on his hands because of that.

SCARBOROUGH: And Jonathan, I've always said, show me the paper that has Barack Obama's signature on the bottom that says, "We're going to stop sleep depriving terrorists. We're going to stop, you know-

JONATHAN CAPEHART: He's only been in office for, what, a day?

SCARBOROUGH: It's not going to happen. No, I'm saying in a year. Do we really want to say, "Oh we don't want the NSA to track down the movement of funds with terrorists across the globe?"

CAPEHART: I don't think anybody is talking about that.

SCARBOROUGH: Oh, yes they are.

CAPEHART: I do think there's- I do think there's a way to protect America without violating everything that we stand for and everything that we are.

SCARBOROUGH: Okay. Here we go. You've just said, and I'm sorry this early to get this wound up, but you and Mika generally saying, violating everything we stand- That is bull! And I have a seven second delay and I would like to say the second part of the word but I won't. But, that is bull! What you are doing and, Mika, what you are doing and the rabid left, not you all, but the rabid left has done for the past seven years, is just say, 'We are going to apply new standards to the Geneva Convention. We are going to apply new standard to the Constitution.'

CAPEHART: How about following the Geneva Convention?

SCARBOROUGH: Oh, guess what, Jonathan? We are! Al Qaeda terrorists that don't wear uniforms. How about reading the Geneva Convention! Because, terrorists that try and blow up civilians are not protected under the Geneva Convention.

BUCHANAN: Can be shot on sight.

SCARBOROUGH: Terrorists who blow up civilians do not get habeas corpus!

BUCHANAN: They get shot.

SCARBOROUGH: They do not get constitutional protections and some fair minded people in the middle-

BRZEZINSKI: I don't think I'm rabid.

SCARBOROUGH: I just said fair minded people in the middle, persuaded by the left, they're trying to rewrite the rules and then say, America has never done this before. Bull hockey!

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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Im sure that many

Im sure that many conservatives nation-wide are feeling the same way right now. I have become more and more annoyed and irritable now that the "O" is elected. Like everyone around me are just sheeple blindly following "the one" wherever he goes with a smile on their face. Ignorance truly is bliss...and right about now I really wish i was just ignorant.

"We will not tire, We will no falter, We will not fail." President George W. Bush, October 26, 2001

Thank you, Joe. Keep it up.

Thank you, Joe. Keep it up.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

I'm with Pat.

They get shot.  They do not wear a uniform so the Geneva Convention does not apply.  If the "rabid left" wants terrorists to be afforded the benefits of the Geneva Convention, maybe the terrorists should stop targeting NON-COMBATANTS.

Did Joe get his Cojones out of storage?

Most people who invoke the "Geneva Convention" have never read them, as is evident by their use of the singular term when in fact it should be plural because there are in fact 4 seperate conventions.

1. The relief of wounded and
sick in Armed Forces; 2.  Wounded, sick, and shipwrecked members of
Armed Forces at sea;  3. Treatment of prisoners of war;  4. Treatment
of civilians and noncombatants. 

It's nice to see Joe finally standing up for truth and clarity. I guess better late then never.

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

c5then, I been getting a lot of laughs , from your tag line..

Hay !! I got the wrong CHANGE"!

FREEDOM

(D)

 

Glad to be of service

I wish I had copyrighted that.

Doh!

Hey, I got the wrong "CHANGE"!

Alan Keyes / Sarah Palin - 2012

c5

Here you go....just copy & paste it into your tag.

© 

 

 

That was quick.

That was quick.

Jesus Loves You

 "BRZEZINSKI: I don't

 "BRZEZINSKI: I don't think I'm rabid."

BRZEZINSKI: I don't think.

Fixed it for ya, Mika.

 

"Libs never let you down. You don't have to talk to one very long before the stupid comes out."

Mika

Poor woman. She is clueless. I believe if she stands just right you can hear the wind blowing through her head sounding like an empty milk bottle. Even when she is engaged in a conversation she is unaware of just how stupid she is. Joe says: Mika, you are an ignorant slut. Mika: Hey, Im not ignorant!. She misses about half of every topic of conversation she gets into because she is blinded by her preconceived bias and liberal upbringing. This is what happens to people who are ruled by their emotions and not logic, reasoning and good old sense.

doug

Took me a while to enter this, had to clean the spittle from my monitor first:

"I believe if she stands just right you can hear the wind blowing through her head sounding like an empty milk bottle..."

I don't watch the show. I only watch a little CNN and FOX . Just about every "journalist", (may God forgive me for giving them that title), spouts such absolute lib bull hockey that I just cannot bear to watch.

 

PS Still laughing!!!!!!!!

Misterbill

Yeah, I don't watch that crap either. Only time I see any of it is when something of interest is featured here. Joe Scarborough used to be my Congressman and at one time a lot more conservative. Now he is like a cross-dressing brother..... still family but you damn sure don't want anyone to know it.

SCARBOROUGH: Oh, guess

SCARBOROUGH: Oh, guess what, Jonathan? We are! Al Qaeda terrorists that don't wear uniforms. How about reading the Geneva Convention! Because, terrorists that try and blow up civilians are not protected under the Geneva Convention.

BUCHANAN: Can be shot on sight.

SCARBOROUGH: Terrorists who blow up civilians do not get habeas corpus!

BUCHANAN: They get shot.

SCARBOROUGH: They do not get constitutional protections and some fair minded people in the middle-

BRAVO!!!!!!   THis is the first time someone in the media has actually made the logical aregument based on what the Conventions actually say versus what liberals TELL them they mean.

WHY do we have this mess?

 

The only reason we have this stupid Gitmo mess in the first place is .....that Bush was too much of a pussy to do what needed to be done and put the guys they captured on tribunal, and either line them up for a firing squad or let them go.

 

 Should have taken all of a few months years ago to have tribunals for all of them.

 

 

Hey hands_solo.........

The comment about our former president was totally uncalled for. I would like you to say it to his face out on the ranch with no one around. I don't know you, but if you feel it is easy to call people out from the comfort of your keyboard, you should have no problem doing it to their face.

IMHO they all should have been shot after the last drop of information was squeezed from their broken bodies.

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is

...the fact that our guys don't just decide to start working one of the jihadists just for kicks.  If the bad guys told us what we wanted to know from the get go there wouldn't be a need for any "enhanced" interrogation techniques, would there?  

That being the case, the Lefties need to be asked the following question:

Do terrorist suspects have the right not to answer our questions?

If the answer is yes you believe either that A) they are protected under the Geneva Convention (name, rank, serial number) or

B) they are protected under the 5th Amendment of the US Constitution.

Which is it?  If they don't believe in A or B, what justification do the bad guys have not to answer the questions?

 

Excellent screencap Scott.Ha!

I'd look like that too if I were Joe.

Joe goes in spurts.

Go Joe Go

I like Joe, but he's an

I like Joe, but he's an intermittent Conservative.

If he gets upset by the Liberals surrounding him at MSNBC, that's his problem.

Of course, what he said is what real Conservatives have been saying all along.  He must've known this was coming, so why bother getting upset with these knuckleheads now?  Rather too late I'd say.

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Video of the exchange....

Quite entertaining smack-around!... here's video of the exchange between Joe & Pat Vs. Mika & Jonathan... LOL

Watch here.

Conventions with an S

Geneva Conventions.....and it doesn't refer to a gathering of Shriners.

go JOE

yes blonde is highly educated stupidity..along with a lot of liberal dems...those degrees would serve them better lining a bird cage.

torture what the h__ do you think McCain went thru?that was torture

I would love to see liberals like Brokaw and madonna come and let some rednecks kick a--  take that Brokaw there always comes a time reasoning doesn't work with some...OMG am i a rac------------

For A Real Lavgh

For a real lavgh go to:

http://www.genevaconventions.org/

The Geneva Conventions - a reference gvide. Check ovt the banner (posted below). I'm immediately svspiciovs of any information contained on a page with an advertiser like this. Had I had anything in my movth it wovld have been all over my screen.

Well...

"I do think there's- I do think there's a way to protect America without violating everything that we stand for and everything that we are."

... we could just carpet bomb the middle east until al Quaida and their ilk surrender.  I mean, that is what we did to Europe and Japan during WWII, right?  If t was good enough for FDR...

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Bully, Bully!!!

Former President Bush really messed things up for himself. Bush should have had Scarborough as his press secretary. Too often the Bush administration simply did not press hard enough to get their point across. The lack of effort cost Bush a tremendous amount of political capital.  Instead of forcing his critics to at least concede his policies were most certainly protecting our nation Bush was always on the defence against his critics.

I had the misfortune of being stuck...

...in a hippy pizza joint (what can I say, stoners make great pizza) which had 3 televisions (thankfully silent) on msnbc.  I saw that Gitmo closed, but I didn't see any mention what is going to be done with these very dangerous people.  Did anyone else notice any mention?  Since I've never watched this channel was also surprise to see an animated cutout of Dick Cheney (with a dummy-style moving mouth) flying around the screen in a wheel chair.  I'm very impressed that the viewers of this show think they are the intelligent ones.

Close Gitmo and move them

Close Gitmo and move them to Johnston Atoll.....

Keep them in the old Chemical weapon demilitarization ammunition bunkers (I think they are empty now)

Shoot anyone attempting to get in the water or approach the atoll.

I disagree

I was thinking Manhattan,Hollywood, or Malibu would be better.

Yeah, I secretly dream of

Yeah, I secretly dream of releasing them in the Board Room of the New York TImes with Filipino Barongs to let them enjoy themselves while we look all the ground floor doors to the NYT Building.  

After all, since the NYT is so interested in damaging national defense, they should play a role.

THen put the detainees on a bus and takem over to the ACLU national offices for a cople hours of R&R the same way.

You never know, maybe some one at those two locations would survive long enough to hurt one of their sainted GITMO Detainees....

Definately

I think it would be great for the detainees to give a hands on class to the ACLU in how they handle prisoners.

"For this next

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the ACLU, my name is Ali Abu Barongi and I am the terrorist cell chief for the AQ Cell in Waziribad that you had released for this event. "

"For this next demonstration I will need the assistance of the ACLU lead attourney for the 9th district.  We will now demonstrate how to behead someone with this barong."

"Please sir, bend over - yes, exactly just like that."

*chop-chop-chop*

"Now ladies and gentlemen from the ACLU that was the Filipino three stroke method."

As this time I will now demostrate the Al Zarqawi Saw method could I have the national director of the ACLU please..."

The ACLU

They will still defend the detainees rights to behead others as it being part of their culture.

Obama's

Still working on a plan but it's not quite ready yet.

The libs want to close down

The libs want to close down Gtmo. I say fine, as long as they relocate those poor prisoners to Martha's vineyard. I'm sure the libs would just love that!

Hey Mika!

While we were putting panties on al Qaeda heads, they were chopping off heads.  Let's ask Nick Berg if he was treated fairly.  Oh, we can't because Nick is no longer with us.  Yet, Democrats want to protest how we're treating people who thought that was acceptable?  Give me a break. 

Let's ask Richard Perles wife if she's offended that we're keeping al Qaeda's most dangerous people in Guantanamo.  I'm not sure of the answer, although I have a feeling it's a little difficult to muster compassion for people that cut-off your husbands head.

Let's take a poll of the umpteen thousand people, who lost relatives in the twin towers, Pentagon, and in Pennsylvania, as see if they're upset that we have the planner of those events, sitting in Cuba and being put on trial (well he was going to be put on trial before Obama decided to change things). 

Had the media done it's job, people would be looking at this whole thing differently.  Let's face it, Americans have only heard one side of this argument and will continue to only hear that side from the Left Wing Media.  

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

Capehart is uninformed.

And poor Mika should at least know a little more than she does.

Capehart, had you done your homework you might not have come off as completely in over your head.  But, of course, when liberals such as yourself spend all your time in the shallow pond of emotional pontification, it's tough on you to come to the deep water, where all the facts and history reside.

--Mike 

www.thebrattonreport...

This situation arises from a profound ignorance of US History

Just a couple of examples makes the point.  The Palmer Raids during WW1 featured the Justice Department literally closing antiwar newspapers and throwing people in jail for opposing the war.  And in WW2, thousands of people were stripped of their rights and interned in camps just because of their race.

Clearly we survived those examples, and we can debate whether they were abominations or aberrations or reasonable precautions if you want.  But the point is that nothing we have done during the WOT has even remotely approached that degree of infringement of civil liberties.  Yet these clowns get away with these preposterous claims that Bush's actions were a violation of historic standards.  It's just plain wrong, incorrect, and not factual. 

After reading all that...my

After reading all that...my favorite part is how Mika says "I don't think I'm rabid" about 30 secs after being called that.

 

Well it looks like it could be 30 seconds later - I'm sure with the fast-pace of the show it was only 5-10.

Scarborough

Has got a pair of brass ones on today.

The truth hurts when the Left wants to capitulate to the terrorists. As far as I'm concerned there should no longer be any non-uniformed combatant prisoners. They forfit the right to be recognized under the Geneva Convention when they take up arms without wearing a recognizable uniform bearing insignia. Sorry 'bout your luck fellas but you just lost your life.