ABC Examines Mormonism; Sawyer Can't Let Huckabee Comment Go

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Diane Sawyer and other "Good Morning America" journalists offered a surprisingly substantive look into religion on Thursday's edition of the ABC program. The show featured a three part, 12 minute-plus series of segments on Mitt Romney, Mormonism and his faith's relationship with evangelical voters.

The discussion wasn't perfect, certainly. GMA co-host Diane Sawyer simply couldn't let go of her discomfort in regards to Mike Huckabee's use of the phrase "Christian leader" in a recent Iowa campaign ad. On November 27, she wondered if the spot might have "crossed a line" and called it "heavy-handed." On Thursday's program, while talking to the Southern Baptist Convention's Dr. Richard Land, Sawyer pointedly noted that "many people thought [the ad's point] was unmistakable, what he was doing. Do you think that was fair?"

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On balance, however, ABC and "Good Morning America" should be commended for providing viewers with a serious look at religious and spiritual issues. In the second segment, reporter Dan Harris discussed "Mormonism 101" and went over five questions that Americans may have about the faith. Among the topics mentioned where the background of Joseph Smith, the fact that some evangelicals don't consider Mormonism part of Christianity and polygamy. (Harris pointed out that the Mormon church banned the practice in 1890.) Sawyer interviewed Dr. Land, plus talk show host and frequent GMA guest Glenn Beck, a Mormon, about how evangelicals view the faith. Getting into specifics, she asked Beck whether Mormons believe that the Bible itself is incomplete without the Book of Mormon.

A transcript of the three segments, which began at 7:18am on December 6, follows:

7:18

ROBIN ROBERTS: But we first want to tell you about the stakes being very high this morning for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who is preparing to deliver a major address about the Mormon faith tonight. The big question, will he be able to ease voter concerns about his religion? John Berman is in Texas and has a look ahead to tonight's big speech. Good morning, John.

JOHN BERMAN: Good morning, Robin. The Romney campaign is setting the bar very, very high here. They released photos of Governor Romney practicing the speech, much like the President does for the State of the Union address. They say he wants to do nothing less than elevate the level of debate about religion and politics in this country. They say he will discuss the role of faith in God and society and he will say that both faith and God have a role in government but he says he will not be bound by his Mormon religion. He says in the speech, "When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office that oath becomes my highest promise to God. If I am fortunate to become your president, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A president must only serve the common cause of the people of the United States." Now if people are looking for him to explain the specific doctrines of his faith, the Mormon religion, they will be disappointed. He says he will not explain or discuss them. He says no candidate should have to be a spokesman for his religion. Robin?

ROBERTS: All right John, thank you very much. A lot of people eager to hear what he will say, Mitt Romney, later this morning in his speech.

DIANE SAWYER: That's right. And we'll have more in our next half hour. Evangelicals versus Mormons. What about this debate? Is it real? We're going to join it, coming up next.

7:36am

ROBERTS: Now to more on Governor Romney's speech later today where he will address his Mormon faith. Just last night, we learned that the co-chair of Senator Fred Thompson's campaign in South Carolina called the very doctrines of Mormonism, quote, "very unusual to the point that they're almost unbelievable." So what is it about this religion that raises so many questions? Dan Harris, you've been really looking into this, Dan.

ABC GRAPHIC: Mormon 101: 5 Big Questions

DAN HARRIS: Yeah, it's a fascinating story. Good morning, Robin. Mormonism was born right here in America. And it's now one of the planet's fastest growing Americans. But many Americans don't know much about Mormonism. So, this morning, we're going to answer five very common questions. First, who was Joseph Smith? He was the founder of Mormonism. At age 14, in 1820, he claimed that God and Jesus visited him near his home in upstate new York. Smith claimed he was restoring the true church of Jesus Christ, a claim that angered a lot of Christians. He was killed by an angry mob. Which leads to the next question, are Mormons Christian? Mormons argue emphatically yes. But there are real differences. Mormons, for example, believe the book of Mormon, which Joseph Smith claims to have translated from golden plates he found near his home is equally as holy as the new and Old Testaments. They also believe God is a man of flesh and bone and has a wife. And Mormons believe Jesus will return not only to Jerusalem, but also to Missouri. I've met evangelical Christians who travel from around the country to Utah, specifically to convert Mormons.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: Your Jesus is the brother of Lucifer. He cannot save you.

HARRIS: Why do you come?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: I love Mormons. I want, I want to see them have forgiveness of sins like I do.

HARRIS: And what's at stake?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: Their eternal soul, their eternal, eternal salvation.

HARRIS: How do Mormons treat minorities and women? Until 1978, black men were not allowed to join the priesthood. And women are still not allowed to do so. Why don't Mormons drink alcohol or coffee. They don't believe in artificial stimulants. Mormons are believers in clean living. When we went to an official church event recently, we were asked to sign this paper promising not to smoke or drink on church premises. Finally, perhaps the most common question about Mormons is do they practice polygamy? Many Americans are familiar with the polygamists on HBO's "Big Love." But the people who engage in plural marriages these days are generally members of Mormon splinter groups. The main-line Mormon church outlawed polygamy in 1890. In fact, the Mormon church has gone through an extraordinary transformation since its early days as, essentially, a renegade religion. Today, it is very much in the mainstream. The Mormon Tabernacle Choir, which many of us have heard of, performs at presidential inaugurations. There are Mormons in Congress and plenty of Mormon celebrities like Gladys Knight and Donny and Marie Osmond, just to name a few.

ROBERTS: Osmond family. Exactly right. And still so many questions surrounding this. And people want to know, of course with Governor Romney. Thank you, Dan, so much. And up next, how important is Mitt Romney's faith to his presidential campaign? Does, does it matter at all? We'll have a provocative discussion straight ahead. Come on back.

7:43

DIANE SAWYER: As we said earlier, Mitt Romney is tackling this morning questions of religion and politics. And we're going to tell you a little bit of what he is saying this morning. He is saying, "If I am fortunate enough to become your president, I will serve no one religion no one group, no one cause, no one interest. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. Any person who has knelt in prayer to the almighty has a friend and ally in me." And, of course, governor Mitt Romney is a Mormon. And this is considered a make or break speech. Particularly in Iowa, where there is a lot of skeptical and voting evangelicals. Well, to talk about this, joining us now two men who will be in the audience during Romney's speech, president of the Ethics and Religious Community of the Southern Baptist Convention, Richard Land. Good morning to you.

DR. RICHARD LAND (Southern Baptist Convention): Good morning.

SAWYER: And also somebody familiar to all of su, syndicated radio host, author of a new book, "An Inconvenient Book," and a Mormon himself, Glenn Beck. And good morning to you.

GLENN BECK: Good morning, Diane.

SAWYER: Alright. First question to the two of you. As we know there are polls that show a quarter to a third of Americans say, say, admit they are troubled by something about Mormons and 25 percent of Americans, 36 percent of evangelicals, say they will not vote for a Mormon to be in the White House. This is my question to you and I'll start with you, Dr. Land. Is he changing? Does Mitt Romney changing [sic] with these words the way these people are going to feel?

LAND: I think he'll change some minds. I've been encouraging the governor for over a year to give a speech about this issue. And to try to do what John Kennedy did in 1960. John Kennedy came to Houston and gave a magnificent speech in which he said I'm not the Catholic candidate for president, I'm the Democratic Party's candidate for president. And he said what should be important is the vision I believe in for America, not my faith. I think that the governor needs to give a speech in which he can close this deal for many, many, many people. I don't think that his Mormonism is a deal breaker for most Americans. But only Mitt Romney can close the deal in the same way that Senator Kennedy was the only one that could close the deal.

SAWYER: But, Dr. Land, let me ask you a yes or no question. Do you consider Mormons Christians?

LAND: No, I do not. I think if you look at their doctrine of God the Father, and their doctrine of God the Son, their doctrines and covenants, which is one of their sacred texts, says, as man now is, God once was, and as God now is, man may become. Catholicism, eastern Orthodoxy. No historic Christian faith would say that about God the Father.

SAWYER: Okay, let me bring in-- Glenn Beck, is the speech today going to get it done? And you respond.

BECK: Well, first of all, let me just say to Richard, I love you, but, Richard, Jesus and I are going to be having a couple conversations today because Jesus is my savior and I happen to be Mormon. But with that being said, when the media decides they're going to ask Orrin Hatch or they're going to ask Harry Reid about their religion, and what role it's going to play, you let me know. This is the biggest non-issue I've ever heard. First of all, why are we going to a candidate and asking about religion? Who cares? If you really -- America, you really want to know about Mormons? Believe me, ask a Mormon. You won't be able to shut 'em up about it. Seriously. They'll send the bikes and everything else.

SAWYER: Well-- But let me ask you, Glenn -- just tackle this with Americans out there asking some of these things that you hear about. Okay, Jesus will come back, but come back to Missouri, that Mormons believe in -- you can tackle all this -- that Mormons believe that Mormon, that the Latter Day Saints are the true church and the Book of Mormon really is the completed version of the Bible. What about all this?

BECK: Here's -- Diane, here's -- I mean, here we go in 40 seconds. I'm not the defender of the faith by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm a relatively intelligent man. First of all, the pilgrims came here because they thought New Jerusalem was going to be set up in America. Read their own diaries. The other is -- well, I'm sorry, the other one was --?

SAWYER: The question of the completed Bible is the Book of Mormon, that the Bible's not complete?

BECK: Yeah, if you look at the way the Bible was put together it has been edited over and over and over again. It doesn't mean that it is not -- it is not, itself, the word of God. We absolutely believe it's the word of God. Here's what -- here's the way -- Mormons believe on other faiths. And I think we should all kind of adopt this kind of a view. We all have puzzle pieces. And if everybody would stop guarding their one puzzle piece and say this is the only true picture, we would be a lot better off. Because we'd be able to look at each other's pictures and see how they fit together and say, oh, my gosh, what a full, rich picture of, of God.

SAWYER: Dr. Land, one final comment from you. As we know Governor Mike Huckabee had an ad out in Iowa in which you saw across the screen "Christian leader" and many people thought that was unmistakable, what he was doing. Do you think that was fair?

LAND: Well, look, Governor Huckabee can answer for himself. But I think it's important for us to note that we're voting for a commander in chief, not a pastor in chief. And I don't think that a presidential candidate's faith should be an issue unless he chooses to make it an issue. And if I were governor Romney, I would make the same kind of statement that Senator Kennedy made when he was running for president. I am not the Mormon candidate for president. I hope to be the Republican Party's candidate for president. Judge me on my record. Judge me on the issues.

SAWYER: I got to stop you here. Come back, do more, want to talk about this!

—Scott Whitlock is a news analyst for the Media Research Center.


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Huckabee wouldn't call Romney a Christian when asked

He hides his true feelings

 

Not so. Huckabee

Not so.

Huckabee subscribes to the same doctrine as Dr. Richard Land:

SAWYER: But, Dr. Land, let me ask you a yes or no question. Do you consider Mormons Christians?

DR. RICHARD LAND (Southern Baptist Convention): No, I do not. I think if you look at their doctrine of God the Father, and their doctrine of God the Son, their doctrines and covenants, which is one of their sacred texts, says, as man now is, God once was, and as God now is, man may become. Catholicism, eastern Orthodoxy. No historic Christian faith would say that about God the Father.

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The Huckabee quote I'm basing my comment on

CBSNews.com: ‘Do you believe that Mormonism is a legitimate form of Christianity?’

Gov. Huckabee: ‘You know, Mormonism is a faith that people adhere
to. And I think people ought to respect anybody’s faith. I am not all
that familiar with the intricate details. I have enough trouble keeping
up with my own faith. So, I do not spend lots of time trying to
evaluate somebody else’s.’

CBSNews.com: ‘But do you think they’re real Christians?’

Gov. Huckabee: ‘Once again, I am not going to try to judge. That is
for them to determine whether they accept Jesus Christ as the only
revelation of God on Earth. And, if they do, then that is how a person
is a Christian, not by the label they wear, but by the position they
take on the role and the personhood of Christ.’

Why did he give a half answer? Say yes or no or refuse to answer a relgious question.

 

Ask a die hard Catholic...

...if an evangelical is a "true Christian". You'll get half an answer too! Most Religions are dogmatic about their beliefs being the only "true" beliefs. It goes with the territory.

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

MM - is that Die Hard 2.

MM - is that

Die Hard 2. Die Hard With A Penance?

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

LOL...

...but in all seriousness Jack, most religions hold that if you don't believe what they believe it's just: Die Hard... :-/

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

NO,no,no Mighty

You probably wanted to say that Christians believe in the Bible. Now, for example: If I am having a discussion with someone who has NO belief in the Bible, then we have NO common ground at all by which to have ANY discussion.

If anyone believes in the first verse in Genesis, they should have no trouble, whatsoever, in believing the remainder of the Bible WORD FOR WORD, including Jonah.

I'm not saying that my evangelism would stop at the disbelief, only that we would need a different base to start from. Most atheists that I have encountered are expending a tremendous amount of energy in fervently denying the existence of God and I believe that they are basically just searching for an argument that they cannot lose since Christians live in a world of faith.

Sometimes you just have to shake the dust off of your feet and leave the atheist to acquire the eternity that he is seeking.

Sorry 

Well of course...

There are other books that Religions are based on. But I am referring specifically to dogmatic Christian religions. They all use the same Bible to prove their belief. But there are many that believe that unless you hold the exact doctrinal stand as they do, you are lost. The meaning of baptism vs faith/works come to mind. Membership in the right Church is another. In other words there are Christians who think they are the only true Christians and all others are false Christians.

I as a Baptist for example, fully expect to see a few people from almost all parts of Christendom in Heaven along with us Saved Baptists. :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Mighty, I understand

and I think that we always overcomplicate things. Halley's Bible Handbook says that they believe that one of God's biggest disappointments is probably the things that His Church argues about that, in the end, mean nothing or little.

Now, I agree. But having said that, I cannot compromise on "The Points of Salvation" in fear for my soul. As long as I am reading the Bible and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide my learning, I always feel safe. It is whenever I am reading various "commentaries" or "doctrinal" writings from different denominations that I get the sensation of being pulled away.

I will NEVER say that this or that denomination will not enter the kingdom of God because I am not God. However, I try (and fail daily) to live my life according to the points of salvation with unshaken assurance of my salvation. I can only answer that maybe God has provided another way for people to enter his kingdom, other than through Jesus Christ BUT IF HE DID, he did not include it in His Holy Word to us; The Bible.

My goodness. You mean Huckabee

...tailors his responses to his audience?

Hmmm, let's see, who else does that....oh, yeah.....Hillary!

So are they Christians

So are they Christians V?????

Let us be honest, it is not your place to tell who is a Christian and who isn't.

Leave that to God.  when the day of judgement comes the Truth will be revealed.  I hate to say but when people do this they look bigoted.

I will not let you get away with that.   

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

Yes They Are

Mormonism is a Christian faith, it's just a different branch of Christianity.  Traditional Christian faiths look to the 3rd and 4th century Christian creeds as part of their orthodoxy.  Mormonism rejects those creeds which results in the claims by some that Mormons aren't orthodox and hence not Christian.  Mormonism instead attempts to "restore" Christiainity to its roots in 1st century Christianity which include items such as temple worship, prophets, apostles, continuous revelation, new scriptures, and priesthood.

Of course good people everywhere are going to disagree all over the place on these claims, but the fundamental principles of love your neighbor and love God are shared in common, and this is how Jesus himself claimed that people can know if they are his disciples: 

"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.  By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (John 13:34-35) 

The day of judgment is a

The day of judgment is a little late for a person to decide if he is a Christian or not. God doesnt decide who is Christian or who is not. That's up to each individual. I know people who call themselves Christian but their lives belie it. But I will say this - it's not for me to judge if a person has salvation or not. That's really the point - does a person have eternal salvation through Jesus, not the name Christian which came out of Antioch as a derisive name. And that's all it is - a name.

The Mormons worship a different Jesus than the one in scripture. Their Jesus is the offspring of a god-man and his god-wife and is the brother of Lucifer.

And Mormons to live and emphasize clean lives. And I admire them for that. But what is the state of their eternal soul? That's the real question.

As far as Glenn saying the Bible has had many edits, can he give me an example of ONE doctrine that was changed/revised/updated? No he cant. But his Mormon doctrine changes when necessary. Just look at polygamy and dark skinned people not being able to join the church until about 30 years ago. Either God put those doctrines in place in His Perfect Plan or He did not. If He did, it is not up to man to change them.

Having said all that, if I believed down in my heart that Romney was a true conservative, his Mormonism would not stop me from voting for him. In this country you can believe or not believe as you choose.

There is none so blind as they that won’t see. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

This is a world-class

This is a world-class example of bias on Sawyer's part. Not anti-Christian or anti-Mormon, but ant-Conservative.

Does anyone here recall Sawyer, or anyone else in the MSM, for that matter, getting in a huff when any Democrat, from HRC to Obama to Edwards, talks about our Christian duty to feed the hungry, etc? Who was it that talked about universal health care as "Christian health care"?

Obama asked a congregation to pray that he could be "God's instrument" for heaven's sake, and spoke of establishing a "kingdom" right here on earth.

Why didn't Sawyer have a meltdown then????

Because "liberal" religion is OK.

Also, why ask Glen Beck

Also, why ask Glen Beck about the Church.  You got a Leader of a Church of a different faith why not get a LDS Leader to answer your questions?

Glen is a member but don't you think you would get a more informed answer to your question from let say the President of the Church?  Or the local leader of the Church in NY?

Does this make sense to anyone else? 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

One more point on this and

One more point on this and the MSM.  They love it that some, not all, evangelicals have a problem with voting for a Mormon.  This is where they will latch on and tare like a shark on a carcass.  Blood in the water.  We have several of them here on this site.  The MSM will keep pound this point and pounding this point until the primaries are done..

Our friend V has pointed out that Huck believes the same as Dr. Land.  I don’t think you know this V but Dr. Land support Mitt and advised him to do this speech last year.  Dr Land is a Romney Adviser.  He was on Laura Ingraham’s show supporting him. 

You are playing into what the MSM and the liberals want and that is people not voting, at all

 

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

Dr. Richard Land's position...

...from his own website.

Dr. Richard Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission, responded to Romney’s remarks today. “Defending Governor Romney’s right to run is very different than endorsing Governor Romney, which I have not done,” Land said.

As far as research conducted by the ERLC can ascertain, Dr. Land is the source of two variations of the same quote referencing Governor Romney: “We’re not electing a theologian-in-chief, but a commander-in-chief” and “We’re not electing a pastor-in-chief, but a commander-in-chief.”

Land explained the difference as follows, “Those statements were made in response to questions about whether or not Governor Romney’s faith was an absolute ‘deal breaker’ for Evangelicals in selecting a presidential candidate, not an endorsement of Governor Romney.

“I have defended various candidates from time to time when I’ve felt that they have been unfairly or inaccurately criticized. At other times, I have been asked by the media for my assessment of a particular candidate’s chances or weaknesses and strengths. Neither defense nor assessment should be confused with endorsement. As a matter of policy, I have not endorsed, do not endorse and will not endorse candidates.”

v

SAWYER: But, Dr. Land, let me ask you a yes or no question. Do you consider Mormons Christians?

DR. RICHARD LAND (Southern Baptist Convention): No, I do not.

I said Support, advise, BIG

I said Support, advise, BIG difference.  I did not say endorse.

READ V READ!!!!!

Stop spinning!

I have a fish named Mohammad, and my son has a stuffed toy named Jesus.  The Muslims want my head and Kieth says I'm going to Hell. 

If I had to watch GMA

If I had to watch GMA regularly, I'd probably kill myself, but I am sometimes stuck seeing it when it's on in the waiting room at the car dealership or some such place. With that said, I think you would be hard-pressed to find a dumber "newsperson" on television than Diane Sawyer.

In addition to the copious amounts of available real estate between her ears, she is a cumbersome, clumsy interviewer and really needs to lay off the attitude that she's some hot twentysomething TV babe -- that ship has sailed.

That she has anything petty and pedantic to say about a Republican candidate comes as no surprise to me.

Religion and the president

Scott, 

For years the news media have made it an obligatory point to show the various presidents doing the following: 

  1. Here are the Trumans, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  2. Here are the Eisenhowers, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church
  3. Here are the Kennedys, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  4. Here are the Johnsons, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  5. Here are the Nixons, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  6. Here are the Fords, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  7. Here are the Carters, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  8. Here are the Reagans, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  9. Here are the Bushs, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  10. Here are the Clintons, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.
  11. Here are the Bushs, on Sunday, entering and leaving their church.

The Following list is self-explanatory. I would ask the media to please point out  which president used his religion to make government policy: 

 

PRESIDENTIAL RELIGIONS

Baptist presidents

  • Warren Harding
  • Harry Truman
  • Jimmy Carter
  • Bill Clinton (Southern Baptist)

Congregationalist presidents

  • Calvin Coolidge

Deist presidents

  • Thomas Jefferson

Presidents belonging to Disciples of Christ

  • James Garfield
  • Lyndon Johnson
  • Ronald Reagan

Dutch Reformed presidents

  • Martin Van Buren
  • Theodore Roosevelt

Episcopalian presidents

  • George Washington
  • James Madison
  • James Monroe
  • William Henry Harrison
  • John Tyler
  • Zachary Taylor
  • Franklin Pierce
  • Chester Arthur
  • Franklin Roosevelt
  • Gerald Ford
  • George Bush

Methodist presidents

  • James Polk (originally Presbyterian)
  • Ulysses Grant
  • William McKinley
  • George W. Bush

Presbyterian presidents

  • Andrew Jackson
  • James Polk (later Methodist)
  • James Buchanan
  • Rutherford Hayes (also attended Episcopal and Methodist services)
  • Grover Cleveland
  • Benjamin Harrison
  • Woodrow Wilson
  • Dwight Eisenhower

Quaker presidents

  • Herbert Hoover
  • Richard Nixon

Roman Catholic presidents

  • John Kennedy

Unitarian presidents

  • John Adams
  • John Quincy Adams
  • Millard Fillmore
  • William Taft

Presidents without church affiliation

  • Abraham Lincoln
  • Andrew Johnson

 

The conniption fits the media are having over this  is nothing more than another example of manufactured news intended to scare the uninformed voters that they are doomed if a man of religion is elected president.