“How do you tell your kids that mommy is now a daddy? Or that a daddy is now a mommy?” Leave it to ABC to raise these questions on “Good Morning America.” A July 21 segment previewed “Primetime Family Secrets” airing later that night about a transgender woman and the effects of the decision on his family.
Correspondent Juju Chang documented the Prince family for one year. In 2008 Ted Prince became “Chloe” through a sex change and his wife, Rene, stayed with him. The couple has two sons: Logan is 7 1/2 and Barry is 6. Since the family stayed together, the purpose of Chang’s report was to examine all the adjustments that had to be made.
Chang addressed the affects the sex change might have on the children. “Now, developmental psychologists will tell you that if you have honest, open, frank and age-appropriate conversations, the boys will be just fine. Now, Rene, their mom, tells us they are doing great socially. Both Chloe and Rene have been remarkably honest about the enormous strains on their marriage. Parenting roles, spousal roles, intimacy have all been called into question. For now, they're sticking it out, staying together because as Rene says, what happened to Chloe shouldn't destroy our family.”
Presumably, the full special will tell viewers how it is that the Princes still have a “marriage,” despite “what happened to Chloe.”
On GMA, the young boys understood that they had another mother instead of a father, but they were only vaguely able to explain why. “She had a girl inside her and so she went on a surgery to get, get it out,” said one, pointing to a family portrait. “And this is our other mom that used to be a dad.” Chang asked if their moms ever fought and one explained how Rene “doesn’t like her changing into a girl.” “We don’t want them to argue.”
But don’t worry – the boys will be just fine.
Chloe, on the other hand, described the surgery as “opening Pandora’s box.” He said, “it was magic. The nightmare was over.” Chloe also pointed at a family portrait taken before the surgery and referred to himself as his “twin brother Ted.”
Chang also took the opportunity to normalize gay parenting in flyover country. “In the year 2009 two women living together as a couple, raising their sons, may not be typical, but it’s not unheard of, even here in northern Ohio.”
ABC seems to be set on normalizing sex changes. In 2008, Barbara Walters did a special, “What is a Man, What is a Woman? Journey of a Pregnant Man” about transvestites. CMI wrote, “Walters interviewed three people who have undergone sex change operations, but no relevant medical experts, psychiatrists or students of culture and society. Walters apparently selected the only critics to appear during the special, comedians poking fun and an anonymous caller leaving a hateful telephone message, to suggest that opponents are motivated by bigotry.”
And ABC really pushed the envelope with a report on “objectum sexuals,” people with physical, emotional and sexual attractions to … inanimate objects.
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When are psychologically
July 21, 2009 - 13:57 ET by MidAmericaWhen are psychologically troubled people not to be considered psychologically troubled but actually just a 'normal' deviation? When they are part of a liberal democrat voting bloc.
Another view
July 23, 2009 - 00:33 ET by Zoe BrainA letter I recently received from Dr Ecker, to whom many thanks:
Dr Ecker is not a psychiatrist, he's a urologist, with very extensive clinical experience in observing the effects of hormonal treatment of a variety of patients, transsexual and otherwise. He has no particular axe to grind, but he has seen so much misinformation, he wants to set the record straight. To put some Science into the issue.
As the e-mail states, Dr Ecker was invited to give a presentation to the American Psychiatric Association as part of a seminar at their annual meeting.
I'll quote the first slide:
And one of his meticulously reasoned conclusions, led to inescapably by the biology of foetal and post-birth neural development:
This is a typical report
July 21, 2009 - 14:08 ET by KC MulvilleJust see what's happening here.
If this was a courtroom, you'd figure that you've heard only half the case. But this is TV, and the journalist wants to present this as the whole truth of the matter.
Typical.
WTH??????
July 21, 2009 - 15:25 ET by motherbelt“Now, developmental psychologists will tell you that if you have
honest, open, frank and age-appropriate conversations, the boys will be
just fine.
Where did they dredge up that pile of B as in B, S as in S????
That makes me so mad I had to duct tape my head before typing this! I simply cannot believe that they found real, sane developmental psychologists to say that! I'm sorry, but I don't care what their degree is, if they said that, they have grapes for brains.
This is just more liberal social engineering, claiming that kids can "adapt" and "adjust" to anything, so what the parents do doesn't matter. These had to be new-age liberal psycologists willing to say anything to rationalize the parents' desire to do what they want, kids be damned!
They ought to all have their heads examined! By some REAL HONEST psychologists!
I'm so mad I can't see straight! Time for another layer of duct tape!!
One thing about it, when
July 21, 2009 - 16:08 ET by MidAmericaOne thing about it, when these kids grow up and meet a potential mate and they ask "You won't go changing on me will you?", they will have a much deeper meaning than is usually applied to that question.
Legal?
July 21, 2009 - 17:33 ET by FranksamDon't go changing, to try and please me
You never let me down before
Don't imagine you're too familiar
And I don't see you anymore
I wouldn't leave you in times of trouble
We never could have come this far
I took the good times, I'll take the bad times
I'll take you just the way you are -Billy Joel
IMO, we're talking real bad times. Is their marriage still legal?
And your evidence is?
July 23, 2009 - 00:24 ET by Zoe BrainSeriously, and your evidence for saying that is?
You have read the studies that have been conducted, yes? You know - facts, people who know something about the issues?
Or are you just saying what is "common sense", like the Earth being flat, or the sun travelling across the sky?
Ok, on the off-chance that you haven't actually studied the issue, and are merely mouthing a completely uninformed opinion you've plucked out of thin air, here's a few references:
Children and Adolescents with Transsexual Parents Referred to a Specialist Gender Identity Development Service: A Brief Report of Key Developmental Features by Freedman et al in Clin Child Psychol Psychiatry
Transsexuals Children by Green in Intl Jnl Transsexualism
Adaptation and Adjustment in Children of Transsexual Parents by White and Ettner, in European Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
Or some other articles:
Di Ceglie, D. (1998). Children of transsexual parents: Mental Health issues and some principles of management. In D. Di Ceglie & D. Freedman (Eds.), A stranger in my own body: Atypical gender identity development and mental health (pp. 266-274). London: Karnac Books.
Di Ceglie, D., Freedman, D., McPherson, S., & Richardson, P. (in press). Children and adolescents referred to a specialist gender identity development service. Clinical features and demographic characteristics. International Journal of Transgenderism.
Lightfoot, M. (1998). Children of transsexual parents: Issues facing the child of a transsexual parent. In D. Di Ceglie & D. Freedman (Eds.), A stranger in my own body: Atypical gender identity development and mental health (pp. 275-285). London: Karnac Books.
It's not as if this area hasn't been studied. It's not as if only one or two people in one or two institutions in one or two parts of the world have looked at it.
Of course this has been studied, simply because anyone who doesn't see that there just might be a little problem here has Moonbatism to a terminal degree.
The conclusion though is that, counter-intuitively, there isn't one after all.
Basically, kids up to about 5 are fine with it. At around 6, there are gender formation issues, so transition of a parent should be delayed for year. From ages 7-12 or so, the kids are fine. After that, it can be a train-wreck, with severe peer persecution in the teens. But after adolescence, most kids start talking to their parents again. Of course, this is also often true even if the parent doesn't do anything unusual at all.
Of course all too many people on the Left, and it seems on the Right sometimes too, believe in the Homer Simpson dictum when it comes to their opinions:
Oh, a disclaimer here - while I've studied the area extensively, I had a hidden agenda, and my objectivity is highly questionable. While not technically transsexual myself, I do have an Intersex syndrome similar in effect to 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency (5alpha-RD-2) or 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency (17beta-HSD-3), but in reverse.
My son was three when I had what in a soundbyte would be called a "natural sex change". That grossly over-simplifies, but is close enough, and only an endocrinologist or geneticist would quibble at that description. Anyway, it was rather important to me in deciding whether to exit his life completely, kill myself, or stick around as a female father. Whatever would be best for him. So I researched the literature rather thoroughly, as you can imagine.
July 21, 2009 - 14:10 ET by jessieHI neutered the cat. Now it's a liberal. I always did think Walters was once a male.
There's no such thing.
July 21, 2009 - 14:41 ET by Mike76"A July 21 segment previewed “Primetime Family Secrets” airing later that night about a transgender woman and the effects of the decision on his family."
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"On GMA, the young boys understood that they had another mother instead of a father, but they were only vaguely able to explain why"
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"In 2008, Barbara Walters did a special, “What is a Man, What is a Woman? Journey of a Pregnant Man” about transvestites"
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There's no such thing as a "sex-change" operation, a "transgendered woman," or "pregnant men." "Male" or "female" is encoded on every cell of a person's body, from conception on, if I remember correctly. A person can't "change their sex."
Ted Prince is a man who has mutilated himself to look like a woman, but he'll be man the rest of his life. "Daddy isn't a Mommy," he's daddy with breasts. "Political correctness" insists that everyone pretend that women can be men, and men can be women. I prefer to not play along.
I feel bad for his kids and wife.
Reminds me of a SouthPark episode
July 21, 2009 - 14:45 ET by ArcherBThere was a SouthPark episode where one of the kids wanted to be black so he could play basketball, a teacher wanted a sex change and a parent wanted to be a dolphin. They all had cosmetic surgery to achieve these goals.
Of course, the kid was was made taller and died darker was no better at basketball, the teacher who had the sex change was not really a woman and parent who became a dolphin was not able to swim in the water and breathe out his back. The whole point of the show was theat they were all just made to "look" like what they wanted, but no amount of surgery in the world can change you into something you are not.
Yes, sometimes SouthPark can be quite insightful.
"To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary."
--Ernesto "Che" Guevara
They say the boys are OK now
July 21, 2009 - 14:29 ET by ForeverOnTheRightThey say the boys are OK now but just wait till they are older and we'll discover it's not true. It has happened before when current understanding has been turned on it's head and shown to be wrong when reality hits. Guarantee these boys will not be normal, but they will have some dysfunctional behavior in the future. Leave it to liberals to not look at the whole truth, these boys will be confused adults. So far we have not had children of gay couples or couples where one parent changes sex change grow up to adulthood so we don’t really know if these children are “OK”.
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July 21, 2009 - 16:12 ET by EugeniaI think what's going to happen is these poor kids will become so screwed up like the Menendez Brothers who slaughtered their parents, except this time rather than blaming the creepy "parents," society at large will be blamed for being homophobic, transexuophobic, body-mutilation-phobic...name the phobia...that lead to such a tragedy. It doesn't matter. It's going to be our fault.
"When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing -- they believe in anything."
-- GK Chesterton
To top this, in 2010
July 21, 2009 - 14:49 ET by c5thenGMA and ABC will find the one family in all the world that actively and openly engages in bestiality. But don't worry, the kids are OK.
The Gay agenda is so infested in the liberal MSM that they can't even see their race to the bottom as what it is.
Throw 'da bums out!
no one re-elected who voted for socialism or debt
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Why...
July 21, 2009 - 14:52 ET by jdlybrandWhy do I get the feeling these poor kids are gonna be screwed up as a soup sandwich someday? What the hell do these people do on Father's Day? I'm putting this one in the WTF? file.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Yuck.
July 21, 2009 - 15:04 ET by Mike76"Parenting roles, spousal roles, intimacy have all been called into question."
I bet. What kind of woman wants to be "intimate" with a man with fake breasts and a fake vagina? Unless she's as sick as Ted, I'll bet she files for a divorce within a year or two, just to save her sanity.
"Trans-sexuals" really give me the creeps. I think I'm posting about it to get the creepy feeling out of my system.
This is sick to me. I
July 21, 2009 - 15:07 ET by bigtimerThis is sick to me.
I always feel sorry for the kids though.
I despise the msm love affair with this...to me I don't know who is sicker the msm or the people involved.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
who's sicker
July 21, 2009 - 16:25 ET by jdlybrandI think it's a dead heat right now.
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
Happened to???
July 21, 2009 - 15:19 ET by SickofLibs"What happened to Chloe shouldn't destroy our family.”
Happened to??? So this was a kidnapping by a deranged sex-change doctor?
"She had a girl inside her and so she went on a surgery to get it out.” Hope this poor kid never watches one of the Alien movies.
Shouldn't???? Well I hate
July 21, 2009 - 16:15 ET by motherbeltShouldn't????
Well I hate to tell you but it probably will.
In the fact that eventually your kids will hate him/her, and have all kinds of problems.
But hey, as long as "Chloe" is happy, that's what counts, right?
Because a "happy" parent makes happy kids, right?
You keep telling yourself that, honey.
Save now...
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Well, Rene & “Chloe” had better start saving their
nickels and dimes right now for Logan’s & Barry’s shrink bills.
Oh that right, it’ll all be FREE!
Now they are just getting dangerous
July 21, 2009 - 15:48 ET by West Coast MinorityThese news reports seem somewhat educational if you have no exposure
in your own life to the issue. But this one I do, and it is not pretty.
My friend came from such a home. She is working hard now in therapy and
other treatments to start living a normal life. The effects of her
Father becoming her "Mother" through a sex change was more than
traumatic. It was more than confusing.
The result of this "normal" change from Daddy to Mommy has resulted in THREE suicides in
her family, and two divorces. Drugs and alcohol were used to excess to
cope and to hide from the selfishness of the Father/Mother having a sex
change and continuing to act like everything was just fine.
There are consequences to all actions, and the consequences of this one were devastating, to understate it.
That ABC would not show another side to this "story" to show that the boys were not "just fine" is criminal. They were more than not "just fine", they commited suicide.
wow.
July 21, 2009 - 15:57 ET by Mike76wow.
I agree with you 100%, as
July 21, 2009 - 16:08 ET by motherbeltI agree with you 100%, that kids don't adjust to everything,as you can see from my comment above. I don't know where they got even ONEpsychlogist to say that the kids would be fine; nevermind using a plural and making it sound like a "concensus."
Just more of their passing off their wishful thinking as fact.
This is the new liberal mindset. The self is all. To hell with the effect on their families. It's like the women who divorce their husbands, take their kids a thousand miles away from their father, their school, and all their friends (because they don't want to deal with the father) marry another guy, and figure the kids will "adjust." It salves their consciences.
Then they punish the kids if their school work starts slipping because they haven't "adjusted."
WCM... Thank you for
July 21, 2009 - 16:09 ET by bigtimerWCM...
Thank you for posting this...that is exactly why I said I have always felt sorry for the kids in these situations.
Like I said, and your point is well made about the msm, I don't know who is sicker regarding all of this, the msm lovefest with this or the people involved.
Pure selfishness...by all of them.
My heart goes out to your friend, I pray she will be okay as she can in the coming future.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
All I know is
July 21, 2009 - 16:49 ET by motherbeltThey ALL make ME sick!
"the boys will be just fine"
July 21, 2009 - 16:05 ET by Blogger Guy00001That's what they want us to think. In reality the boys will be angry at their father for having his schlong sliced off, dressing like a woman, talking an octave higher, and for not being a father.
in the interest of not having a horrible nightmare tonight...
July 21, 2009 - 16:58 ET by SickofLibs...I'm gonna delude myself and believe that "Chloe" opted to retain his/her master unit.
sex change
July 21, 2009 - 17:33 ET by LorraineI've known two people who've had sex change surgery but neither of them had young kids. One had adult children and was divorced, the other was never married and didn't have children. They both spent years getting pychological help to determine if the surgery was what they really wanted.
They were both clearly much happier being women but did have issues with their families, especially brothers and sons.
I do think that there are people who were born with their physical gender and the emotional gender not matching, like hermaphrodites. Something just went wrong while the fetus was developing.
But that shouldn't be made into a mainstream, normal state, that's just wrong.
CLOE
July 22, 2009 - 13:45 ET by tradalaskanThese people are twisted. There should be laws against putting children through this. If my parents did this I would disown them as a freak show.
ABC
July 22, 2009 - 13:49 ET by tradalaskanWhat would be wrong with doing a program on the benefits of traditional family values. ABC has gone off it's rocker.