An ancient Christian religious ritual is apparently comparable to a controversial interrogation technique, according to Joy Behar of ABC’s “The View.” On June 3, the hosts of “The View” were discussing the new reality show, “I’m a Celebrity…Get Me Out Of Here,” where pampered “celebrities” are placed in a jungle in Costa Rica. “Hills” reality television star Spencer Pratt was baptized on the show and “The View” featured a clip from his baptism in a river.
Behar, of course, had to add in her usual quip. “Isn’t it like water boarding- when they dump your head under there like that?” Fellow host Elisabeth Hasselbeck quickly replied with, “no.”
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Of course, it was Behar who previously has called Rush Limbaugh a terrorist, made outlandish anti-Catholic remarks about saints who have psychological issues and called home schooled children “demented.”
Luckily, co-host Sherri Shepherd was there to set Behar straight. “But it’s not torture when you get baptized with water,” she explained. Behar, a lapsed Catholic, later clarified “In the Catholic Church all they do is sprinkle you with a little bit of water. This dumping you is a little drastic.” In the clip previously shown of the baptism, Pratt even explained the religious significance behind a baptism. But apparently Behar wasn’t listening and Hasselbeck had to explain to her how “it goes back to Biblical times.”
Only Hasselbeck supported Pratt’s baptism by saying, “I think that’s great,” Shepherd, however, astoundingly replied with, “You think that’s great?”
Hasselbeck was left to defend why Pratt’s baptism may have been a good thing. “Look- I don’t think its right for anyone to judge the emotion behind someone’s baptism. I think a water baptism is especially moving for many people and I think that’s a great thing.”
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It wasn't "great,"
June 3, 2009 - 13:44 ET by balboaIt wasn't "great," Elisabeth. It's another stupid, attention-getting thing that this moron Spencer has disingenuously done.
If it was
June 3, 2009 - 14:18 ET by Tom in NCIf it was as you say then he will pay the price in eternity, and with that said, who are you to pass judgement on what's in a person's heart.
I don't know who he is or what his beliefs are but for a person to be Baptized who is disingenously is the equivalent to a non Christian taking Communion he WILL answer to Christ at judgement.
I'm just like anyone else,
June 3, 2009 - 14:35 ET by balboaI'm just like anyone else, Tom: I have opinions. Having watched way more of Spencer than I should, I believe this guy is not genuine in anything he does. He's a sleazeball who doesn't do anything without weighing what the PR quotient for him and his vapid wife.
The proof
June 4, 2009 - 13:23 ET by misterbee241The proof, balboa will be in the transformation of Spencer's life by the risen Christ. If he is truly saved, and he was sincere about his baptism, his life will reflect that. If he continues the same old path, then well, guess you were right.
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941
It's great if he is sincere.
June 3, 2009 - 14:40 ET by Ken ShepherdIt's great if he is sincere. If he's not, we'll see so by the fruit of his life afterwards. I tend to think he's probably less than sincere, but I could be wrong. God alone can accurately judge Spencer Pratt's heart. Heck, God alone can only accurately judge my heart.
But I think Elisabeth means when someone is sincere and is baptized with a sincere sorrow for sin and trust in Christ. I don't think she means it's great if it's just an attention-getting ploy.
Only an Idiot
June 3, 2009 - 13:47 ET by Tom in NCOnly an idiot like Behar would equate a Baptism by immersion into water with waterboarding, but I expect nothing more from someone with a brain the size and consistency of a walnut
Walnut?
June 3, 2009 - 13:54 ET by cvgbuckeyeNow that would be huge for her!
Did I mention
June 3, 2009 - 14:05 ET by Tom in NCThat it was an empty walnut
If you think that's bad
June 3, 2009 - 15:36 ET by motherbeltToday while I was with my husband at the lab, I was leafing through a Redbook magazine, which had a feature on the women of The View.
<Major Spew Alert Here>
Regarding Behar, it said she is ......
The Brainiac of the Bunch!
I warned you!!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Behar is a true ignoranus
June 3, 2009 - 13:56 ET by R D HelmShe might possibly be the least intelligent person currently residing in America.
-Dave
Probably right RD
June 3, 2009 - 15:19 ET by jdlybrandBut Pelosi's giving her a run for her money!
→ Pelosi
June 3, 2009 - 15:20 ET by Cool ArrowIf Nancy Pelosi is playing stupid, she's winning.
"The only reason Clarence Thomas is on the court is because he's black". - Joe Biden
Don't forget to
June 4, 2009 - 14:20 ET by ChaitealoverAdd Barbara Boxer to the list
Chai
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Of course, it's a bad thing
June 3, 2009 - 14:10 ET by Anneke9<sarc on> Of course, it's a bad thing. As our Fearless Leader just pointed out, America is now one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. We need to put an end to the infidel religion and it's waterboarding baptisms. </sarc off>
Camouflage conservative in Baghdad-by-the-Bay
Figured It Out
June 3, 2009 - 15:39 ET by Red JeepWhen BHO says that America is one of the largest muslim countries in the world he means in terms of land mass.
This dumping you is a
June 3, 2009 - 14:17 ET by dvdaughtryThis dumping you is a little drastic
The Greek is baptizo, to immerse or dip.
Take it up with God, Joy.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
dvdaughtry, You are
June 3, 2009 - 15:54 ET by msh1973dvdaughtry,
You are exactly right...I was going to post the same thing. Thanks for the truth.
I wish The View sink
June 3, 2009 - 14:19 ET by bigtimerI wish The View would sink under....permantely.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Though I've never been
June 3, 2009 - 14:30 ET by CamelopardalisThough I've never been baptised, I have seen two performed in person. It looked refreshing to me. It is sad how Behar will say anything for a laugh. Has anyone ever noticed how everytime she says a joke, she looks around at her 'costars' and audience, just looking for someone to acknowledge her joke? This was just a desperate act of an attention-starved woman.
Scarecrow
June 3, 2009 - 14:59 ET by jdlybrand"With the thoughts I'd be thinkin',
I could be another Lincoln,
If I only had a brain".
We can all take solice
June 3, 2009 - 15:04 ET by jacktheripperin the fact that Ms. Bore will be dumped on AND teabagged
IN HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sure wish non-Christian's
June 3, 2009 - 15:10 ET by mostlymoderateI sure wish non-Christian's would just STFU about Christian things they know nothing about. I am not a strict Christian myself so I don't speak about the Christian philosophies I am ignorant of. Same goes for Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism and Isamic fundamentals. I wish everyone would practice the same courtesy and stop belittling Christianity.
P.S. I remember being baptized and it wasn't waterboarding. Is circumcision torture? Hmmm...
Too bad Behar is in New York
June 3, 2009 - 15:04 ET by Lord-come-soon-pleaseI wish we could get her out here this Sunday. 77 people are being Baptized at our church's annual "Party Kingdom Style", and it's no one's business trying to look into someone else's heart and look for sincerity. That's God's domain. I pray every day for people like Behar, Oprah, Olbermann, etc. These people need a wake up call. And all they have to do is pick up the phone - it's ringing!
what the word actually means
June 3, 2009 - 15:51 ET by RousseActually, "baptize" is a transliterated word, and it means "to identify with by placing into." It comes from the vocabulary of weavers and textiles, and describes what happens when a piece of cloth is dyed. It is changed forever by the "new" color. If you describe baptism as immersed or dipped, you have short-changed the word and its meaning.
The writers and translators employed by King James "transliterated" the word---they brought it into English, rather than translating the word, because baptism by sprinkling was already a standard practice of the "church." They didn't want to antagonise King James, who was extremely difficult to get along with. It was an inspired decision by the translators.
source please. You trying
June 3, 2009 - 15:59 ET by dvdaughtrysource please.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
There's this thing called Google...
June 3, 2009 - 16:19 ET by mvfreemanhttp://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=baptize
http://www.tbaptist.com/aab/baptisminkjv.htm
Google?!
June 4, 2009 - 08:21 ET by dvdaughtryOh hahaha! SARCASM! That is so funny!
What he claimed is not what I was taught. So sue me because I didn't want to do his research and have him back a claim.
STFU.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
comes from the word baptizo which means submerse.
June 3, 2009 - 16:16 ET by sevenSprinkling was not a practice in the New Testament church.
thanks seven
June 3, 2009 - 16:37 ET by Lord-come-soon-pleaseyou beat me to it.
Sprinkling
June 3, 2009 - 17:44 ET by Kat Outta the BagAnd Jesus Himself was immersed into the Jordan River by John the Baptist, was He not? However it's carried out, it's what's in your heart and soul that matters when being baptized. And as for Behar: she obviously speaks for herself...very ignorantly.
Baptizo - to
June 3, 2009 - 22:29 ET by mattmBaptizo - to immerse
Rantizo - to sprinkle
baptizo (I have to use
June 4, 2009 - 02:47 ET by Hal Howellbaptizo (I have to use English letters) means to immerse, plunge, wash or overwhelm. The Israelites were "Baptized" into Moses when they crossed the Red Sea on dry land according to the Hebrew writer. Jesus spoke about His approaching suffering as a "baptism" He wanted to be done with. So baptism can also be applied to something that overwhelms one. However, it was used mainly to speak of water immersion.
You are correct about why the King James translators transliterated the word from baptizo to baptism. It allowed people to fit their practices into their ideas vice doing what Jesus commanded in Matt. 28:18-20.
Joy Behar--
June 3, 2009 - 17:09 ET by misterbill-- is a singularly ignorant woman. She thinks she is a politician--because she can talk on any subject, even if she knows nothing about it.
At least Joe Biden is funny!!!!
If Baptism = Waterboarding...
June 3, 2009 - 17:36 ET by mnfeI must have waterboarded my siblings a lot as a kid. We dunked each other in the swimming pool all the time.
Guess I'm a terrorist.
Behar-D-har-har.
June 3, 2009 - 17:43 ET by CrashThat bitch stole my joke! I've been razzing leftists for months by telling them that a popular western religion calls water boarding by a different name ... baptism.
not about emotions
June 3, 2009 - 17:47 ET by konoHasselbeck's defense came close to being a disclaimer, saying she thinks it's a great thing that "water baptism is especially moving for many people." Whether it's moving misses the point entirely. The Sacrament of Baptism is efficacious, whether we feel it or not. The supreme power present in Baptismal grace depends only on our receptivity and intent, not on our feelings. (And that's pretty great, too.)
Whether Pratt was receptive and his intent was genuine is up to God to judge, and I'm content to leave it that way.
Kono~
June 3, 2009 - 18:19 ET by Kat Outta the Bag"Whether Pratt was receptive and his intent was genuine is up to God to judge, and I'm content to leave it that way."
I agree. That's also why I never say that someone is going to hell for their actions, because only God can make that call.
I guess they will pull the
June 3, 2009 - 18:02 ET by kangarooI guess they will pull the movie Brother were art thou, they dunk everyone in the river to cleanse them, and even the fugitives step up and get dunked LOL
re: the meaning of the word baptize
June 3, 2009 - 18:46 ET by RousseI apologize for not writing more completely about the word ancient Greek word "baptismos." God could have chosen any number of words that mean to immerse, or to dip. But he chose baptimos, a word whose first, literal meaning is "to identify with by placing into." It is a word lifted from the vocabulary of those who wove and dyed cloth, and refers to changing a piece of cloth completely and forever by placing it into the dye.
Because of Jesus and the New Testament scriptures, the secondary and tertiary meanings (to immerse, or to dip into water) of the word "baptismos" eventually eclipsed the original meaning of the word. God meant that through baptism, we identify ourselves as forever changed, so that all can see.
Knowing the original meaning of the word explains why God chose it. God wanted us to see that we were changed forever----baptismos---symbolic of the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Which is the biggest change of all.
By the time King James gathered together the men who would translate the scriptures into English, the baptistm practiced by the early Christians had lapsed into sprinking. That is why the translators did not literally translate "baptismos" but transliterated it as baptize. In those days, baptism by immersion was a dangerous practice.
I believe that knowing the original meaning of the word "baptismos" enriches it for Christians, and for the record, I was baptized by water immersion when I was 12.
Much obliged for the
June 4, 2009 - 08:30 ET by dvdaughtryMuch obliged for the clairification.
Still would like a source, but it's nice to see your intentions were good.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Rousse
June 4, 2009 - 11:35 ET by cvgbuckeyeRousse, I ask this question gently. I find NOWHERE in the Bible by which baptism is referred to as "sprinkling". To my knowledge, every place that baptism is mentioned, it is clearly described as immersion.
Additionally, there is NO EXAMPLE anywhere that demonstrates pedo-baptism. The closest thing that could even be loosely interpreted as such is the example of Peter, in the book of Acts, in his first visit to the Gentile's home, where it indicates that he baptized the "Entire Household". Altough no verbage exists to indicate that there were any children of an age of indifferent decision.
What is most important is that the act itself was accepted and performed by Jesus Christ as an example to ALL, approved by the voice of God and included in "The Great Commission" by Jesus Christ as well as other places in the scriptures.
i'm waiting for her
June 3, 2009 - 19:06 ET by botgi'm waiting for her comments on circumcision
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I would call Joy a
June 3, 2009 - 23:45 ET by JebsterI would call Joy a stupid, ugly, fat ho, but no man in his right mind would do her. So we will just leave he at stupid, ugly, and fat.
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Prepare for the coming revolution
Christian schools--
June 3, 2009 - 23:50 ET by misterbill-- post a picture of Joy in the men's room to encourage celibacy.
The show is mis-named
June 4, 2009 - 07:57 ET by locomotivebreath1901"Hate-Speech Henhouse" is more accurate.
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behar and Red Jeep
June 4, 2009 - 10:08 ET by east tennessee johnIf BO meant land mass size the US would be the 2nd or 3rd largest Muslim country, not the 38th as by population. He didn't say or imply that at all. Baptism =waterboarding is the same as saying some moronic bitch loads a revolver pulls the trigger and blows her brains out except she has no brains, an analogy is an analogy, right?
I am a minister - I baptize
June 4, 2009 - 13:19 ET by misterbee241I am a minister - I baptize people. Baptism is an act of obedience, an outward sign of salvation. Is Behar really that bloody stupid or is it an act? Maybe she and Slow Joe Biden can take their Dumb and Dumber act on the road. In the words of Yogi Bear - Sheesh!
Joy - the Greek word for baptism used in the NT is "baptizo" - it means to immerse. Some denominations completely immerse, some sprinkle. The result is the same. Even if I'm not the one performing the baptism, I try to attend anyway. I love to see a person new to the faith performing a public act of obedience and a public declaration of "I am now a follower of Jesus."
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941
Well . . .
June 6, 2009 - 22:31 ET by DoktorFranken. . . . it's like this. Hateful people must keep working it over in their minds about what new attack they are going to use - and who will be their next victim.
That's how they have been taught in school from the very first grade on up through whatever college they attend. That's all they hear from the medias (TV, movies, news) in the constant hidden, and not so hidden, messages. It's all they hear from the Left in Congress. Hate. Attack. Relentlessly.
It must be a special type of hell to be Joy Behar.
Dok... A special type of
June 6, 2009 - 22:34 ET by bigtimerDok...
A special type of hell indeed.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Thompson
June 6, 2009 - 22:42 ET by nwahs"Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
I didn't leave the Republican party, they kicked me out.