On Eve of 9/11, AP Focuses on the Victims – Muslims

On Eve of 9/11, AP Focuses on the Victims – Muslims

By Rusty Weiss (Bio | Archive)
September 10, 2009 - 22:20 ET

With the eight year anniversary of 9/11 mere hours away, the Associated Press has written a very moving, very emotional piece, focusing on victims who fear leaving the house on that day, victims who will never view that day as routine, victims who get a sick feeling in their stomach when the anniversary arrives each year - Muslims.

While nobody is promoting discrimination against any group of people based on the actions of a maniacal few, one has to question if the alleged terror experienced by Muslims on this anniversary warrants a focal point? On a day in which Americans take time to remember the devastation and the loss of life on 9/11, we are encouraged by the AP to feel sorry for those who might receive strange stares, or may 'feel' less safe on this day because they are Muslim.

Yet there is little mention of Americans themselves who feel a little less safe on 9/11, because we remember being attacked on that day, we remember watching over 3,000 of our friends and family dying that day, we remember the screams of the heroes on Flight 93, the screams of women and men, mothers and fathers, wives and husbands, who desperately made an attempt to take back a plane scheduled for a suicide mission which surely would have killed many more.

A quote from Sarah Sayeed attempts to capture the anxiety of the day as she wonders, ‘should I go anywhere?' An appropriate question, but perhaps more so for Americans who asked themselves the same question weeks, months, and even years after the tragedy. There is no attempt to capture the anxiety of those who still give a quick glance up to the sky each time the sound of an airplane fills their ears.

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The elaborate sob story comes on the heels of another AP article which covers a recent survey indicating that Americans believe Muslims are a significant target for discrimination. The survey, provided by the Pew Research Center, shockingly finds that 58% of Americans, when questioned less than one month prior to the anniversary of the deadliest terrorist attack on U.S. soil, find that Muslims tend to be highly discriminated against.

The AP would have you believe that the fear of backlash against Muslims ‘builds each 9/11'. Yet the Pew Research Center poll indicates that the American view of Islam as a violent religion has actually fluctuated over the last several years, and in fact has declined from 45% to 38% over the last two years. Meaning, tucked neatly away from the focus of the poll, is the fact that a majority of Americans do not currently view Islam as more likely to incite violence than other major religions - hardly a discriminatory mindset.

Further breakdown of this survey indicates that younger people especially, believe Muslims face a high level of discrimination, with 73% of those aged 18-29 having this opinion. That's 73% of people who were between the age of 10 and 21 years old at the time of the attacks, feel that Muslims are discriminated against. Of course, this skews the numbers a touch. From a recent Newsweek article, millennial author Neil Howe states that children falling in this age range have taken the horror of 9/11, and transformed it into the fear that "strange people with motives we don't understand could be lurking among us."

The discrimination against Muslims poll also found that the percentages were skewed by one particular political group with a significantly higher number - 80%. The group? Liberal democrats.

All of this seems a bit odd considering the Pew Research Center conducted a similar poll over three years ago in which it was determined that 'Americans view Muslims favorably'.

It seems that on a significant date in American history, the AP would rather focus on manufacturing sympathy for Muslims, than reporting on an actual tragedy for Americans.

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Muslems are fearful of

September 10, 2009 - 22:36 ET by rockyracoon

Muslems are fearful of leaving their houses?? WTF!! Have we slaughtered 3000+ muslems in one fell swoop lately that I haven't heard about. Last I checked, in Kosovo, Iraq, Kuwait, etc the good ole USA has been protecting muslims for quite awhile?

Another example of the msm identifying and sympathizing with the wrong victim.

BTW if my spelling of the word "muslem" is inconsistant it's only because I just don't care.

Besides, I thought this had

September 11, 2009 - 09:51 ET by mattm

Besides, I thought this had nothing to do with Islam. Haven't we been told over and over again that 9/11 was perpetrated by radical extremists - not mainstream moslems. What a joke! The KKKoran commands followers of Muhammed to kill infidels.

Now we have a jihad sympathizer in the White House...what a disgrace.

I see nothing wrong with the article Rusty

September 10, 2009 - 22:36 ET by shawn228

A horrible thing happened to our country 8 years ago and the wounds are still very fresh. I am sure many articles and news stories will be devoted to all victims and firefighters and police officers that were taken from us that day.

Just like if someone says that they feel badly for Palestinian children that get caught in crossfire or Iraqi citizens getting blown up and Iraqi children being orphaned does not mean that they do not feel the same sympathy for US or Israeli solders killed in combat.

"I swear sometimes the self-appointed moral police are as obnoxious and demanding of big government interference as "environmentalist" gun control advocates, labor unions and trial lawyers"~fitzfong

Shawn

September 10, 2009 - 22:46 ET by Rusty Weiss

I can see that viewpoint, and would not be surprised if several others do not see a problem with it. What I would like to point out is that this anti-Muslim sentiment seems to be refuted by a poll from March of 2006. And we're supposed to believe that discrimination decreased to a certain point in 2006, and has since continued to rise as we move even further away from the September 11th attack?

The other thing I would mention is that, if there was an uptick in physical attacks on Muslims on the anniversary date, then this would be a completely different story. The example that people feel badly for Palestinian children that get caught in the crossfire would be an apt example, but Muslims in America are not caught in any crossfire. In fact, the most egregious example of discrimination in this article seems to be a nasty stare or comment, hardly something worth focusing on amidst the remembrance of one of the most important dates in American history.

Thanks for the feedback!

Rusty

Hi Rusty

September 10, 2009 - 22:58 ET by shawn228

I'm not sure about the poll, but I am going to talk about myself for a moment. I fly once or twice a year either back to my hometown of Vancouver or some kind of vacation.

Now I am kind of ashamed of it, but everytime I am in the boarding area or when I get on the airplane, I am always on the look out for a Muslim person and wonder if a terrorist somehow got past security, but I don't give any of the other passengers a second thought.

I am honest about my feelings and I know many many others feel the same way. I figure it must be hard to be a Muslim person that has been a good person their whole lives to have so many inadvertant stares and to be blamed for 911.

some quick questions

September 10, 2009 - 23:22 ET by candance

1) Do you agree with AP that hostility toward Muslims is intensifying?

2) Do you believe Muslims are afraid to leave their homes because they might get some dirty looks? I get dirty looks from people all the time.

some quick answers :-)

September 11, 2009 - 00:32 ET by shawn228

1:) typical liberal comprehension, but I don't see in that article where it said hostility towards Muslins is intensifying. I remember seeing this though.

"A poll released this week by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public
Life found that 38 percent of Americans believe Islam is more likely
than other faiths to encourage violence. That is down from 45 percent
two years earlier."

2:) I don't know about afraid the leave their homes, but they might feel uncomfortable because they know tomorrow, many Americans blame them for the death of over 3000 Americans, some of it might be paranoia, some of it, not so much.

edit

I only read the AP article that was discussed, not the other AP articles that were referenced.

Hey shawn! See you in DC

September 11, 2009 - 00:35 ET by Free Stinker

Hey shawn!

See you in DC ?? ;-)

I wish FS

September 11, 2009 - 00:44 ET by shawn228

As you know, I used up almost all my vacation and personal days for the year. I always wanted to go the East Coast though. One of my best friends lives very close you, between NY and NJ

the very first AP link

September 11, 2009 - 00:37 ET by candance

Here's the headline:

For Muslims, backlash fear builds each 9/11

And the first sentence begins "there's the fear of leaving the house..."

Do you agree that they are more threatened with each year and it justifies the claim that they're afraid to leave home?

Well Candance

September 11, 2009 - 00:41 ET by shawn228

I do feel not feel it builds every year, but if we are attacked again..........I believe the backlash will be severe.

As far as the part of afraid to leave home, that might be a little dramatic

overall, I'm with NB on this one

September 11, 2009 - 00:48 ET by candance

I understand that some Muslims over here have a hard time, but it's wrong to bring that up today. I can only imagine losing a family member on 9/11 only to be lectured on tolerance on the anniversary.

And it does play into the narrative that the MSM cares more about them than other Americans.

Shawn, don't ever feel ashamed to look out for your own ass

September 11, 2009 - 00:33 ET by R D Helm

...because outside of God, nobody else is.

Especially government.

At the end of the day, it is ultimately up to us, not some Postal Service janitor.

No joke.

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz

Dave

September 11, 2009 - 00:37 ET by shawn228

I know that I believe Radical Islam is not a gentle religion and is responsible for many evil deeds. I know there are many peaceful Muslims that live in the United States and I would like to think myself above the fray and not look at them with caution and stereotype image's, but unfortunately I cannot.

America Attacked on

September 11, 2009 - 00:31 ET by d1carter

America Attacked on September 11, 2001

http://attacked911.t...

d1,

September 11, 2009 - 00:36 ET by R D Helm

Thanks. You just blew my blog post out of the water.

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz

Sorry Dave about the blog

September 11, 2009 - 00:48 ET by d1carter

Sorry Dave about the blog post. This piece makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I bookmarked this wonderful piece back very near the time of the attack. Sometimes it helps to just go back and look at all the faces of those that died. Just think of how many lives of friends and relatives were affected on that day. It will haunt me the rest of my life. I will never forget.

d1, Hell, I'm in tears.

September 11, 2009 - 01:10 ET by R D Helm

Thanks for posting that. It was powerful beyond words.

http://davesnotepad....

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz

Dave.......I saw this 8 years ago.....

September 11, 2009 - 13:16 ET by BEGRUNT

and I still cant watch more than a minutes worth....way too emotional for me.............

"A nation can suffer it's fool's, but cannot survive the traitor"

Cicero

Thank you

September 11, 2009 - 04:01 ET by toneyuki

Thank you

couldn't watch it all

September 11, 2009 - 09:40 ET by jon_torlin

I had to stop after a few frames, I guess about a minute and half into the Enya song.(that was Enya, wasn't it?) Watching the slides just made me angry and for a lot of different reasons. Angry at the whole list of circumstances that led up to it, angry at an administration that had a chance to stop it in its tracks before it happened(I refer to the three opportunities Clinton had to get Bin Laden), angry at people who took an opportunity to cash in on the emotions of people (Bette Midler, U2) under the guise of helping us deal with this, and so on.

So yeah, I'm angry. And today, we have a president (should not be there) who seeks to change the history of how it happened, why it happened, all in the name of "service" to our country??? Was this something FDR did after Pearl Harbor? Come on!

Damn, I woke up cranky this morning!

-Jon

d1carter...tears in my coffee...

September 11, 2009 - 10:38 ET by vrwc13

...thanks for the reminder...

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness - God (Isaiah 5:20)

Good site! Thanks.

September 11, 2009 - 13:15 ET by MaximusBraveheart

Brought tears also.... M-B

d1... Thank you. I

September 11, 2009 - 13:28 ET by bigtimer

d1...

Thank you.

I haven't seen that in quite awhile, tears still come down, always will.

How soon some people forget...

'Go Green...Recycle Congress'

Shawn

September 11, 2009 - 08:13 ET by Rusty Weiss

Well said, Shawn. And very honest.

And there is sympathy for those who have lived their life the right way. I just feel that sympathy around this date should be shifted to those who truly experienced tragedy on 9/11, not those who experience a perceived tragedy years later.

Rusty

I myself am on a jet every 2

September 11, 2009 - 11:03 ET by Snappy

I myself am on a jet every 2 weeks. I spend alot of time in airports and flying and I am not ashamed to say I do my fair share of profiling the passengers flying with me. I dont feel bad about it, I am also not overt or rude about it either, I just keep my eyes open and pay attention to whats going on and whos doing what. Its just a factor of the post 9/11 world we live in. As far as the poll goes I think this country has made great strides and has probably gone too far in trying to not hurt anyones feelings, that being said, the Muslim community as a whole should be very happy that Roosevelt was not president when 9/11 occured.

Self protection

September 11, 2009 - 13:19 ET by MaximusBraveheart

Yes you should not feel guilty about self preservation. I think everyone has an obligation to be vigilant about any potential crime situation. And I rec that everyone responsible enough to pack heat also! Firearms: The great equalizer! M-B

We taught you better than that Shawn.

September 10, 2009 - 23:59 ET by JWF

I am sure many articles and news stories will be...

Did you come in to speculate or give an informed opinion?

...Palestinian children that get caught in crossfire...

Are you referring to the Al Dura hoax Shawn?

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

sides of the story

September 11, 2009 - 07:29 ET by Agnostic

"...more than 20,000 Muslims in America have a “very favorable view” of al Qaeda and that another 80,000 have a “somewhat favorable” view. Or on the 13% of all Muslims in the U.S. think that suicide bombings “and other forms of violence against civilians” is justifiable at least sometimes." article quoting a 2007 Pew Survey

Every white person in America is supposed to pay for the sins of slavery even if your family fought against slavery or were not even in the US at the time yet we are to feel for the Muslim population getting stared at because they are widely represented by people who truly torture and murder people with no concern for humanity. It is not the responsiblity of the free individual to hold muslims accountable for actions of a few (by percentage) but it would be foolish to ignore the potential of the threat.

A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections

Excuse me while I

September 10, 2009 - 22:43 ET by black47211

Excuse me while I vomit.

To contact the AP: phone: 1-212-621-1500

Email: info@ap.org

Too far, AP, too far.

Forum Topic: 9/11-we will never forget.

www.pelicanmarsh68.blogspot.com

black47211...

September 10, 2009 - 23:44 ET by PrairieSky

Thanks for the info...I just sent an email to the AP telling them exactly what I thought of their "article"...It'll be interesting to see if I receive a response back...I doubt it, as I'm sure that I'm not the only one sending in similar messages.

Thanks again.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

So The AP Liked The Air Force One Fly Over

September 10, 2009 - 22:47 ET by laree

Really since the AP, are so into sensitivity, lets hear about how sensitive the White House was when they used Air Force One for photo ops over NYC, and scared the Hell out of New Yorkers. I am sure some of them were Muslim too. And let's not forget how much that fly over cost us.

http://www.bloomberg...

What was the final finacial tally - the cost to America from being attacked on 9-11? Billions and Billions, The AP seems to forget they were aiming for our financial infrastructure. No one has forgotten.

>>>A quote from Sarah

September 10, 2009 - 22:45 ET by seanrobins

>>>A quote from Sarah Sayeed attempts to capture the anxiety of the day as
she wonders, ‘should I go anywhere?'

My suggestion: If you can't understand what the rest of us are feeling on 9/11, then, please...get out of my country.

sean robins
blog.seanrobins.com

Islam is not a religion. It is a violent, oppressive...

September 10, 2009 - 22:53 ET by R D Helm

...political movement, controlled by primitive illiterates, that treats its women as little better than cattle, and gets it's rocks off on strapping bombs to the bodies of pre-pubescent children, then detonating them in crowded areas, for the sole purpose of murdering innocent people.

If Islam were a legitimate religion, millions of its adherents would be taking to the streets in protest of what the world's media has been telling us is only the actions of Islams more "extreme" elements.

Bullsh*t.

Their silence proves their duplicity, if not their outright approval, of these most hideous acts.

-Dave

Even when the government tries to kiss you, it is just a prelude to a good screwing. -Neal Boortz

Agreed. It is a

September 10, 2009 - 22:59 ET by dvdaughtry

Agreed. It is a Theocracy.

You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?

sick of the butt kissing

September 10, 2009 - 23:14 ET by philipjames

what has happened to America? it has gone from a country that was a little arrogant, but got the job done and helped all around the world...

now it is a whimpering, apologeticand mousy country where every miniscule minority group whines for attention and gets it... to the detriment of the majority

if this doesn't turn around soon, then the US will become a world wimp - ready for the Asian nations to run over

Good point

September 10, 2009 - 23:25 ET by RESTLESS 1

Why is it okay for every nation to display national pride but ours?

"If the man, with the power, can't keep it under control...some heads are gonna roll." -Judas Priest

Has there ever, at any time since 9/11...

September 11, 2009 - 13:33 ET by PrairieSky

been a massive, country-wide retaliation against Muslims in this country, because if there has, I must have missed it.

This is one of the biggest pieces of s#%t stories I have seen come down the pike in a long time. Muslims in this country are not widely discriminated against...If they were, the MSM would be screaming about it from every conceivable direction. Following 9/11, I personally was afraid that there would be more of a backlash against Muslims in this country than what did actually occur, and was heartened that it didn't happen. That said volumes about my fellow countrymen and women, that something so horrendous could be perpetrated against this country by a group of people of a particular ethnic and religious background, and there wasn't a broad retaliation. The fact that 8 years later this is still the case, just proves that the bogus, BS premise that this article is trying to push is pure crap.

In memory of the 3000 innocents who lost their lives on September 11, 2001. They are the true victims.

God Bless them and God Bless America.

"The problem is not that people are taxed too little...the problem is that government spends too much." ~President Ronald Reagan

AP,

September 10, 2009 - 23:57 ET by Barker

Meet Last Straw.

You can always count on MSNBC to get a jab in at former

September 11, 2009 - 03:47 ET by Rush Fan

President George W. Bush.

On the page of the Associated Press story is a link to the following article titled He told Bush that ‘America is under attack.’

An MSNBC writer interviewed former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card regarding the day when Card told President Bush about the airplanes hitting the World Trade Center, while President Bush was speaking at a Florida elementary school.

This is the MSNBC writer's last question to Andrew Card:

There was a lot of criticism of the president not being immediately available on the day of the attacks. What do you have to say about that?

Card's Answer: There should be no criticism for the way the president responded to the attacks on September 11. I thought he was masterful and disciplined and inclusive and decisive. If people are criticizing him, they are criticizing from afar, and not from the reality of the moment.

--------------------

I would bet that discrimination or fear of Muslims has subsided since 9/11. Muslims are just like us. HOWEVER, I would still hesitate to show a Muslim certain cartoons.

i will always remember that

September 11, 2009 - 06:30 ET by JAJT

i will always remember that day. my mom called me and told me to turn on the news. my husband and i, we were newly married. we sat on the couch watching it over and over again just stunned. i had to force myself to get up and go to work. on a day that is about those who died, the innocents who just doing waht they do every day. the AP wants us to focus on the MUSLIMS!?!?

i had a discussion with a friend about the War on terror and she would quickly parrot the talkung points "Islam is really a religion of peace", maybe today i'll page her and ask if she still thinks that is true. JAJT

Yet another example of why

September 11, 2009 - 06:57 ET by kefka

Yet another example of why I refuse to read ANY AP stories. They are nothing more than a liberal advocacy group.

I hope the next Republican administration breaks their 'monopoly' on the news and the AP ceases to exist.

Worse than that

September 11, 2009 - 07:53 ET by ThisnThat

Did anyone go to the linked page and look at the related articles posted on MSNBC? Horrible. Here's one titled:

Scorched by the scourge of post-9/11 racism
In 2006, we asked readers tell how their lives were changed by Sept. 11 and its aftermath. Here, in their own words, are some of their stories

Here are the statements made in the article.

One lesson that America has taught me is racism.

America likes to deny that these things do not exist, but almost every American, in their own little way, every day contributes to the generous and accumulative racism of this country.

9/11 just gave them a reason to do it more openly.

Way to go, MSM. This is how you remember 9/11? You, collectively, are simply a disturbing pile of smelly horse manure, and need to be avoided at all costs.

___________________________________

"Tax the rich" is a basically unstable way of governing - The NYT

Nice job, MSNBC. Way to

September 11, 2009 - 09:16 ET by anonymous621

Nice job, MSNBC. Way to show us your patriotism. No wonder your ratings suck.

-Eric

edit

September 11, 2009 - 09:08 ET by JTP

edit

Fox

September 11, 2009 - 10:38 ET by jessieH

Fox News just had a story on one of those "victims". Someone with a bomb at a Detroit school. On 9/11! If the federal government won't close the border, this will get worse! This is why I call the elected servants in washington traitors. It will be THEIR fault if more people are killed.

no, jessie

September 11, 2009 - 10:43 ET by candance

It would be the fault of a wacko who resorted to violence. The right does NOT need to pull a Van Jones and blame the government for crime.

September 11, 2009 - 11:17 ET by jessieH

I need to listen closer when I type. It is just a training exercise. The people have been telling the govt. to close the borders. But it won't be their fault? It will be their fault! They should have closed the border 8 years ago!

The problem with islam

September 11, 2009 - 11:01 ET by slickwillie2001

This is the problem with islam that we can't seem to face. The 'religion' of islam is what drives islamic terror. I don't see how we can take on islamic terrorism until we accept the linkage and push for a reformation of islam.

We also need to accept that islam claims to be more than a religion. It is also a code of laws that its proponents want to use to replace our system of laws. It is also a system of political governance that its adherents want to replace our government with. For these reasons islam is very different from traditional religions. We don't consider these problems when we admit muslims to our country and we must.

very true

September 11, 2009 - 12:25 ET by jon_torlin

You're absolutely right that it's more than a religion, it's a way of life.

What most people don't understand when it comes to this country about our freedom of religion is that we do have freedom of religion so long as it doesn't infringe on our rights to life and liberty.

Islam does just that, it *infringes* upon life and liberty, they have second-class citizens (read: slaves), much of it, if not all of it violates our constitution(which is why I'm so very against Keith Ellison, the House's resident Muslim congressman who swore on the Koran, a violation of our constitution) by having Islam in this country.

They also have harsh laws regarding certain acts that would be considered everyday freedoms in this country, such as women having the right to vote as well as other rights. Even certain acts of violence committed aren't treated the same way, such as a girl being raped, the girl would be punished and even killed for shame and dishonor rather than the perp who did it.

This is a religion of peace? Nope. Don't believe it.

-Jon

It is fair to say that this

September 11, 2009 - 12:04 ET by Camelopardalis

It is fair to say that this article is inappropriate, and probably useless. I don't think it reflects the lives of many Muslims today. Stares don't amount to discrimination. I wear the headscarf, so I receive them all the time; I take stares to people's curiosity towards me putting a scarf on my head. And we certainly aren't worried about going out. Maybe it is because I live in California, but people are actually very nice to me; even when I lived in Arizona, I had no problems. I went to school on 9/11 and attend a class with a teacher whose family lived in NYC and she was worried as she hadn't heard from them, but she treated me the same way she always had.

The AP article makes it sound as if our daily lives are a struggle. While we do experience unpleasant situations at time, I know that I am very grateful to live in a country that has treated me as kindly as it has considering that it was other Muslims that caused the worst attack on US soil.

It is not unusual

September 11, 2009 - 12:30 ET by enchantedone

that obama is downplaying this day. I read another article where he wanted today to be a day to clean out your garden, and unclutter your kitchen drawers. He doesn't give a rats bu$$ about this country, only about his agenda and his strive toward making this country socialistic. His religion and culture is coming more clearly defined every day. His celebration of ramadan at the white house and his 'vacation' right after. A quiet celebration of ramadan while his cronies and but$$ kissers are covering his but$$. it is truly disgusting. I for one will not become muslim, will not embrace the islamic culture nor will I become a lock-step socialist.

I have a friend who lost 6 family members (extended) this day. I wonder what his take would be on this article?

Bush held EIGHT Ramadan

September 11, 2009 - 12:55 ET by Camelopardalis

Bush held EIGHT Ramadan dinners during his presidency. Please don't say that because Obama held a Ramadan dinner that he's Muslim. He held a Passover seder as well.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/god-and-country/2009/09/01/the-mind-behind-obamas-ramadan-dinner-george-w-bush.html

If I were a Muslim living in

September 11, 2009 - 12:48 ET by deerjerkydave

If I were a Muslim living in America, I would be much more fearful of fellow Muslims than fellow Christians. There were two honor killings last year right here in America. Honor killings account for 5,000 Muslim deaths each year worldwide, according to the United Nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing#North_America

why the disparity?

September 11, 2009 - 13:07 ET by jon_torlin

What's the deal with the extreme ones (like the Islamic Jihadists) and those that aren't so extreme? I thought the Koran was the Koran regardless. I understand that there are some Muslims who don't follow EVERY single teaching or aren't as "radical" as some others.

-Jon

jon_t - it's the same with Christianity

September 11, 2009 - 13:27 ET by vrwc13

...According to a 2007 survey, 78.4% of adults identified themselves as Christian - wiki

Do you see all of them/us acting the same? How many support abortion? How many actively support orphans and widows? How many even act Christian other than at church on Sunday, if they even go?

How many really even except this? -
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6

Nicely said.

September 11, 2009 - 14:21 ET by Camelopardalis

Nicely said.

churches, faiths

September 11, 2009 - 14:27 ET by jon_torlin

I suppose it depends on the nature of the church involved, like Assembly of God, Lutheran, Baptist, Catholic, Presbyterian, etc, that's what I was trying to get at.

I wasn't talking about the actions and etc like you mention "act Christian other than Sunday" and that sort of thing.

-Jon

'christianity' like most religions is a broad spectrum...

September 11, 2009 - 14:35 ET by vrwc13

'christianity' like most religions is a broad spectrum...

True Christianity is not a religion at all, but a personal relationship the the Creator Himself...and the 'narrow road' that few will follow...He said so...

right so.....

September 11, 2009 - 14:50 ET by jon_torlin

This is why I was asking, since there were those differences with Christianity and different churches, there seem to be some in Islam,the one we hear about the most are the extreme radicals like Islamic Jihadists.

-Jon

Don't be fooled though,

September 11, 2009 - 15:08 ET by vrwc13

Don't be fooled though, true Christianity is finding peace with God, not necessarily with others. But also a life dedicated to bring others to Him, peacefully.

Islam on the other hand is based on 'join 'em or perish' or at least be subject to them. Not really a religion of peace.

I believe there are only two religions: God's and man's. It's for everyone to determine which one they choose and make damn sure they are right! One's eternity is in the balance.

Murdering people has gotten

September 11, 2009 - 21:17 ET by RR GOP

Murdering people has gotten sympathy for everyone from the IRA, to the PLO, to Al-Qaeda. If stupid people wouldn't sit there looking at puddles of innocent people's blood on TV and think, "Well, those terrorist fellows do have a point after all" then I doubt these types would be encouraged to continue their actions...at least there would be fewer of them.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.