Why Do Americans Oppose the Obama Health Care Plan? They’re Ignorant!

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IMPORTANT UPDATE BELOW!  (Kansas City Star and Abouhalkah recognize their own ignorance, change title of post and disable old link).

Numerous reasons to oppose the ludicrous Obama health care plan aside, Yael T. Abouhalkah of the Kansas City Star has cut through to the real reason for dissent - Americans are ignorant.

While Abouhalkah will undoubtedly argue that the message was meant to apply merely to the aspect of health care knowledge, he is quite unsuccessful at holding back his overall disdain for the way American's have responded to the plan. 

The title of his most recent blog post says it all.  In referring to an NBC poll about the health care plan, one in which MSNBC titles Doubts About Obama's Plans, Abouhalkah titles his post - Poll: Ignorance abounds among Americans on health care plan. 

The message?  If you're not down with the President's plan, then you can only be classified as ignorant.

But what examples of ignorance does the author specifically cite?

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Plucked directly from the poll:

Majorities in the poll believe the plans would give health insurance coverage to illegal immigrants; would lead to a government takeover of the health system; and would use taxpayer dollars to pay for women to have abortions - all claims that nonpartisan fact-checkers say are untrue about the legislation that has emerged so far from Congress.

Believe health coverage will be granted to illegal immigrants with Obama's plan?  You're Michelle Malkin ignorant. 

Believe government will take over the health system?  You're ignorance runs even with that of Senator Jim DeMint.

Believe taxpayer money will pay for women to have abortions?  Maria Vitale shares your ignorance.

Abouhalkah was not content to stop there.  He goes on to rip Sarah Palin as ignorant, calling her death panel comment as ‘inane' and ‘absurd'.  Therefore, if you too, believe the health care plan will lead to death panels, then you are not only as inane as Sarah Palin, but you're argument is as absurd as Rush Limbaugh's.

One thing Obama clearly has on his side is the liberal mainstream ‘fact-checking' media.  There is a trend in the current media to whitewash conservative arguments by simply saying ‘this argument has been debunked by fact-checking Web sites.'  However, who is fact-checking the fact-checkers?  They have been refuted before; here, here, and here.

The problem with these fact-checking sites can be seen in one of the above allegedly debunked items.

In regards to the illegal immigrant aspect of the poll, FactCheck.org claims this to be a false argument because ‘the House bill specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage'.  This completely ignores the amendment voted on and shot down by Democrats in the House Ways and Means Committee in July, which would have prevented illegal aliens from accessing taxpayer-funded health care benefits.  The measure would have enforced income, eligibility, and immigration verification screening on an estimated 9.6 million illegal immigrants. 

What this clearly means is that, while the bill specifically states illegal immigrants are to be excluded, it also offers zero provisions to enforce such an exclusion.  This is the equivalent of posting a sign at a bar specifically barring patrons who are underage from entering, and then not requiring anyone to present identification at the door.  It is rolling out a welcome mat to illegal immigrants seeking healthcare.  It is, well ... ignorant.

Never has being called a mob of ignorant American's felt so right.

* Update *

It appears that the Kansas City Star and Abouhalkah have acknowledged their own ignorance by disabling the previous link titled Poll:  Ignorance abounds among Americans on health care plan.  The new title aims to place less blame on Americans, and more on the supposed web of lies being spun by the Republican party and conservatives in general.  The new title for the same article is Campaign of lies damages health care plan, and can be found here. 

The link above has been corrected to reflect this change, so NewsBusters readers can still navigate to the column which continues to maintain that Americans are ignorant regarding the health care plan.

Clicking on the previous link brings the reader to a page that simply states 'Access denied - You are not authorized to access this page'.

Perhaps the Kansas City Star and Abouhalkah can go a step further in recognizing their own ignorance by issuing an apology to the millions of well-educated, well-informed, intelligent Americans who rightfully question and oppose this government health care plan?

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Pardon my French, but

this A$$clown should wander 5-10 miles south of downtown KC to the Bannister complex (www.kcp.com) where I used to work.  If he wants to see why people are against health care, it's called gov't waste and inefficiency.  I've seen a perfectly good parking lot torn up only because the facility budget was underspent heading into the 9/30 end of the FY; the most surefire capital project to ensure the necessary expenditures would occur before the end of the FY was replacement of said parking lot.  That's my money.  That's your money.  The reason big gov't doesn't work is because the ultimate performance metric is the re-election of the leaders/politicians and not the preservation of capital and/or the maximization of profit. 

End of story.

HF

Every time I visit this

Every time I visit this website it looks more and more like it has been taken over by the Taliban. The hatred some of you express for your fellow Americans and your democratically elected president is like something one would expect to find in Iran or Venezuela. Your eagerness to buy into the bald-faced lies of those who are against health care reform and refusal to even listen to anyone who supports it is one of the most disturbing phenomenoms I've ever witnessed as a citizen of this country. Harboring this kind of bull-headed anger toward someone who is working hard to bring affordable health care to every American citizen seems immoral to me. Conservatives routinely position themselves in every national election as church-going, God-fearing patriots, yet compassion, love of fellow Americans, and basic Christian principles can be found no where in this forum. It's all about expressing hatred for the president and anybody who supports what he is trying to do. It has suddenly become all about "your money" rather than doing what will serve the greater good. I think you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. 

~Hahahahahahaha

That made me laugh. Thank you.

I'm going to say this again. Slowly.

Conservatives have no problem helping people in need. Google 'Christian charities'. Christians outgive every other group of people in the world. The PROBLEM we have with this plan....is that the GOVERNMENT is in charge of it. We don't think the GOVERNMENT should be involved in health care. That's it. Period.

Update: Google-8,030,000 hits on 'Christian charities'.

Muslim charities-1,010,000 hits...and the fourth one was about how they are funding jihad...hahahahahaha

Buddhist charities-2,710,00

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

You might find this interesting...

I followed your lead and Googled 'Democratic charities'.

The search page returned with:

"Did you mean: French military defeats? No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found. Your search - Democratic charities - did not match any documents."

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

~Hahahaha

Libs don't give to charity (unless it's for animals) because they think the government should be taking care of poor people. Have you ever seen the comparison between Bush's charitable giving and Obama's? The difference between Palin and Biden is even funnier.

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Good Lord, Tailgunner, I spilled my breakfast coffee and my ...

Dinner on that one.  Give us some warning, next time.

ACA 

 

...

Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

Wasted food and (especially) coffee....

..is truly a tragedy.

I apologize most sincerely. :D

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

JR

Troll...everytime I see you, I cannot for the life of me understand why you have been allowed to stay on this site as long as you have been...you've been nothing but a troll from day one, we've had our back and forths from way back, you are a waste of time, it's too bad so many give you so much attention.

I'll be glad when you are gone.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Is JR jr. back again?

Is JR jr. back again?

These trolls are with us always, just like bad weather.

...always will be... rain or

...always will be... rain or shine.

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

JR the Liar

Why are you a liar who makes things up?

"refusal to even listen to anyone who supports it"

What are we doing right now? Every post you post, we read, right? It's blowhard nonsense, but we read it.

JR, I'm really serious here. Be a conservative in my shoes -- and many here -- for a few days, even, and find out how you'll be treated by your liberal friends... and even your own relatives. They will flat-out warn and threaten you to not discuss politics. Period. They won't hear any of it, and if you persist they will turn their back on you, or the price will be worse than that.

I'm well aware that in all likelihood your intention is to flame us, as you sort of seem immature and you just want your kicks, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you really believe these stereotype you have of conservatives.

 

Ok 08' I'm biting, show me the numbers, run the data...

I've have mentioned that the lawyers will be erased... and insurance will be a thing of the past.. That will be 90 % of the health care costs...

I guess you agree with that assessment.

In other words tort law towards health care will drop to ZERO.

So insurance will not have a need to fend off the lawyers...So medical insurance will be destined to the ash can of history.

Is this what you mean?

ohh there is a rainbow look quick, hurry, ohh gee you Missed it.

Reagan VS Liberalism

Oh, give me a freakin' break.

How many Democrats were beaten at town halls...by gangs of unionized Republicans?

Obama told his supporters to 'punch back twice as hard'.

A gang of four SEIU thugs beat and kicked a black minister at a town hall meeting after first calling him a 'n****r'.

Neither Obama nor any other Democrat leader condemned this as a hate crime; in fact Democrats never condemned it at all.

Dem leaders even said 'keep doing what you're doing' after the beating.

I think the anger is coming largely from average Democrats, especially senior citizens, who know they'll be sacrificed under Obamacare just like they are in state-run healthcare systems worldwide.

'Affordable healthcare' my ass. This has been a disaster everywhere it's been tried.

The only thing state-run healthcare has ever been successful at is in bringing every man, woman and child under the boots of the state.

Go peddle your hysterical crap somewhere else, moron.

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Tailginner: Johnny is not just a peddler, he's a wholesaler

Re: your comment "go peddle your hysterical crap somewhere"

Johnny is not just a peddler, he's a wholesale distributor.

You can stop at the tenth page or so - that should make the point.

D'oh!!!!

What are a bunch of dummies like us going to do with our lives now?  Join the Government?  Run for office?  We're sure qualified if we be 'Democrat' dumb.

I'm ignorant too.

My ignorance is in the order of Levin, Palin, Steyn, Rush, Hannity, Coulter, Malkin, De Mint, and Gingrich.

What truly gives me honors is the fact that my ignorance belongs to the common sense of the hardworking American people.

Thanks for that honor. 

yet another KC Star gem...

...from the town that has lost population, sky-rocketing homicide rates, and bad city government. Must be a liberal town. They have a bad newspaper to boot. Kansas City, MO is a sewer.

2010: A GOP Hill

The fact is that many Americans are ignorant. Many of the people

who vote are uninformed, uneducated and apathetic.

Don't take my word. Watch the video of John Ziegler's interviews with twelve Obama voters after they voted. Sadly, you will have to agree with John Ziegler that those he interviewed were "shockingly" uninformed.

CNN, among others, uses a fact check organization called PolitiFact for their CNN Truth Squad. Both CNN's Truth Squad and the PolitiFact Truth-O-Meter agree that there is "No free health care for illegal immigrants in the health bill."

However, The Heritage Foundation disagrees:

The House bill, as currently structured, does not offer clear guidelines to ensure that illegal immigrants cannot access taxpayer-funded health care benefits. Rep. Dean Heller (R-NV) introduced an amendment that would use two citizenship status verification systems, the Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) programs, to establish an individual’s eligibility to obtain the bill’s proposed affordability credits or enroll in the public insurance option....  The first Heller amendment failed on a straight party-line vote.

By the way, it should be noted that PolitiFact's claim to be "nonpartisan" has been questioned by both NewsBusters' Matthew Vadum and K. Daniel Glover at Accuracy in Media.  

---------------------------------------------

“Nobody believes what the mainstream media says now anyway.  Except the uneducated, the illiterate, and the uninformed -- which, sadly, is a fairly large number” ~ Rush Limbaugh

By the way, it should be

By the way, it should be noted that PolitiFact's claim to be "nonpartisan" has been questioned.....

Liberal groups are always called nonpartisan, or some type of generic "watchdog" group.  It's always "XXX rights group"  vs. "conservative opponents."

For instance, that would be the non-partisan PolitiFacts vs. the conservative Heritage Foundation.   LOL

It's nothing new that liberals always think that their opponents are opposed because they don't know any better.  They might want to remember that it's their supporters who thought they wouldn't have to make mortgage payments when Obama was elected.  Oh, wait, I guess those morons are instinctively right, because they "know" that Barack Obama will take care of them.

And here is Barney Frank lecturing his townhall attendees


 

Ignorance

petitjean

Alas, I am among the ignorant. I believe words have meaning and have read HB 3200 in its entirety. It was as exhausting as reading "Atlas Shrugged" but without the reward of a coherent message.

I have read comments about Ms. Palin's college degree and find myself offended by extension. I graduated from a state school in a rather obscure southern state where I took three degrees. Despite my very provincial education, I have acquired twenty-one patents that are presently in commercial use. Due to agreements with some employers, I have no rights to royalties for these. Those patents for which I signed no agreement are currently providing most of my income in retirement.

I might have had more credibility had I graduated from an Ivy League school. As it worked out, I made patent agreements with two employers. Seven patents are owned by me but they don't yield enough to make me wealthy but rather comfortable.

Wonder how I would have done at an ivy league school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

presumed ignorant

Ass'right, Clem -- I opposes dis heah healthscare bill.  Peoples should take keer o' dere own healths care.  But who dey be callin' "iggarnant"?  I knows ware pappy keeps his shotgun, and Yale don't even knows how to speel his own name. ('Yael' -- sheesh.)

With sincere apologies to folks who struggle with illiteracy, I'd relish the chance to meet the smug Abouhalkah for a brief conversation about what ignorance and useful idiocy have in common, and how he and his blog figure into that topic...

 

You can't fix stupid.

I'd rather be ignorant than stupid or foolish.

~Hahahaha

You'll like this.

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

Hey, Yael T. Abouhalkah, we'll see how ignorant we are..

Come the elections in 2010, November, that is.

ACA 

...

Quoted from: 'Acaiguana notes from the Underground' (Soon to be at theaters near you)

Communists

Have been calling people stuid to get them to submit for a hundred years.

Everyone knows that government doesn't work, Social Security is broke, medicare is broke, madicade is broke, and cash for clunkers just takes the cake illustrating the government can't even administer a car buyback at a fixed price.

Why would anyone let Obama, Reid, and Pelosi determine whether they live or die?

COMMUNISTS aka DEMOCRATS

You uttered the magic words when you referred to the Communists! If you get the current tenets of the Democrat Party and the Communist Party, you will see little, if any difference. In the 1960's, a leading member of the Communist Party USA was heard to say that they would succeed in taking over the government of this country through the Democrat Party! Enter Reid, Pelosi, and Obama! Throw in Durbin, Dodd, Frank, and Hoyer for good measure!

Simple logic will tell you the truth.

The estimated number of Illegal immigrants (12 million) is imbedded in the number of "Americans without health insurance". It's part of the argument for why we are even considering this nonsense. Therefore the assumption is that they indeed will be part of the newly insured that the Obama plan covers.

The issue of abortion is absent from the House bill (HR 3200). Therefore it is treated as simply another medical proceedure. Since the government option would be funded thhrough tax dollars and would pay for all proceedures under the plan, by definition tax dollars will indeed be used to pay for abortions. It's simple logic.

If the government plan is "free", in that there is no premium to be paid by the subscriber other than the extra taxes taken out of everyone's paycheck, then what incentive is there for the vast majority of the people to pay extra money for a seperate health insurance policy? The answer is none at all and as a result the government plan would swell very quickly and the private insurance companies would all go out of business.

But then again none of this has anything to do with a "reporter" or so-called "journalist" actually giving his readers the facts and doing some simple analysis. This has everything to do with working as an advocate for a particular issue and trying to sway the public opinion of said so-called "journalist's" readers.

Throw 'da bums out!

no incumbent re-elected, with very few exceptions!

www.loyaltoliberty.com

WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION...

 Hey, if the general public is ingorant, then maybe the public eduacation system needs to pick up the pace on dumbing down the American public. The NEA really needs to earn their money.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

Who the hell is Yael T. Abouhalkah?

Sounds like one o' them perfessional wrastlers to me.

Yeah, I'm ignorant because I oppose a hideous bill that will essentially mean the utter Nazification of my country, with the federal government sticking its nose into every facet of my life, and that will ultimately mean the end of the America I grew up in.

Screw Yael T. Abouhalkah, the horse he rode in on, and the two people who brought this goober cheese into this world.

-Dave

Yael is a Hardarv man, like Omaba,

and I believe it was a camel, not a horse.

Whatcha mean ...

Whatcha mean talking about the open-minded party of tolerance, like that?

These clowns (sorry don't mean to impugn the integrity of the real working clowns out there) who keep saying that "We the People" are ignorant, that we are organized (by the GOP) mobs haven't got a clue. The name calling liberals are the ones who are ignorant for trying to marginalize intelligent people, many of whom are from the democratic party the name calling liberals claim to be a part of.

I have read through HR 3200. It is nothing more that a lot of crap put together by a bunch of liberal lawyers who thought they could put one over on "We the People". They got caught and are now trying to weasel out of it. 

HR3200 has nothing to do with healthcare reform, it has everything to do with the government takeover of the lives of "We the People". This administration and liberal congress expect "We the People" to surrender our lives to be controlled by the government.

What this bill provides is the government option of control of our lives, nothing more. "We the People" can't let this happen. We must do everything that is legal to prevent this from happening. "We the People" must vote any member of the house and senate, who support this bill or any bill like it, out of office. The administration and the liberal congress DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE U.S. CONSTITUTION TO ENACT THIS LEGISLATION.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

 

SoL,

ROFL!

Yeah, it would have been much funnier had I said camel. 

I hadn't yet had enough coffee in me to clear out the morning fog. Now I'm wired wall to wall.  :-)

-Dave

IN THIS CORNER...

 So you were thinking maybe this guy was a tag-team partner of The Iron Sheik?

All kidding aside, this guy sound dangerous. Everyone Obama appoints or supports him is a dirtbag. EVERYONE.

 

"...How blind can you be, don't you see...

...that the gambler lost all he does not have..."  

Nightwish

I am really

I am really, REALLY getting into this notion of "post-birth abortion", especially for those wack jobs in the MSM.

The one "safe ticket" for this goofball would be if he left MY country, and returned to the country of his origin, however far back up the family tree is necessary to identify it.  I'm sure he'll find those folks much more enlightened, and thus more to his liking. 

Once again, liberals blame

Once again, liberals blame everyone but themselves.  Whose responsibility is it to "educate" Americans on their plan?  How shall they learn if they are not taught?  If Obama, the Dems in general and the MSM can't educate the American people then it is they who are INCOMPETENT teachers.  Hmmm, kind of like the NEA blaming failing schools on kids and a lack of money...

The dishonesty of the so called debate, is that liberals never intended to have an exchange of ideas, it was their way or the highway and it's been that way for 40 years regarding Health Care. The only reason why they have been resisting Health Care Reform all this time is they wanted a single provider system as the core of the change.  They rightly reasoned that any other changes to make the Health Care system better would deminish the appeal of their cherished single payer system.   So once again, when liberals hurl the accusation that we have been debating this for 40 years and now it's time to do something, and that something is THEIR WAY, it is purely PROJECTION on their part.  They have been the obstructionists for decades.  Medicare could have been reformed years ago saving billions of dollars a year but Dems blocked every attempt, just look at the insanity they engaged in when they resisted the Medicare reforms of Part D (Rx) and Medicare Advantage brought about only because of a GOP majority and a GOP president.

While talking about Medicare I would like to point out Obama's incompetence on wanting to abolish Medicare Advantage (private insurance option).   Obama talks big on prevention as the means to save money in the long run, but then he opposes Medicare Advantage whose function is...wait for it, wait for it ... to provide more medical services that are preventative in nature!  Only an incompetent boob advocates for the same thing he wishes to abolish.  

Obama claims there are billions in wasted dollars in Medicare that could partially fund the premiums of the insured.  Really?  So why doesn't he eliminate the waste he admits done by a government program to save it from insolvency?  Because the waste in his mind is Medicare Advantage to the tune of $177 billion a year!

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

Proud Ignorant Mob Member!

I'd rather be an ignorant mob member than a stupid ostrich with my head buried in the sand so as not to see the danger that is forthcoming! The libs are well represented by the Jackass [A dumb Jackass that is!], the Ostrich, and the chamellion! They are dumb Jackasses when it comes to speaking, they are Ostriches when it comes to national security, and Chamellions when they are campaigning [Remember the 95% of Americans getting a tax cut and the "Guns and Bibles clingers"?]. The only ignorance is found in the followers of these liberal clowns. By the way, the Tele-Prez Obamessiah was right when he said "We Americans have been arrogant!" He just left off the word Liberal before American! In fact he could have just said "We Liberals" and been right on target. Unfortunately, when its their fault, libs always want bipartisanship!

tell this yahoo to pack up and leave-

we may be ignorant-but also very dangerous. we will not be forced to drink the kool aid. now that we are pushing back you libs do not like it.

Great for us.

BHO-  THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE

 

 

 

Speaking of ignorance: 

Speaking of ignorance:  http://hotair.com/ar...

Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) returned to the ObamaCare battle on MS-NBC’s
Morning Joe today, preaching the public-plan gospel just as he did
yesterday on CNBC. However, this time, Joe Scarborough goaded Weiner
into a little more honesty than he’s offered on the effort to “reform”
health care. Declaring that “health care is not a commodity,” Weiner
says his aim is to eliminate all private insurance — which is why he
will not yield on the public-plan option:

So who is the ignorant one?  The One (Obama) who denies the intent of ObamaCare is to eliminate private insurance or the one (public) who insists that it is?  When the writers of the bill state plainly that's their goal then who do you take us for? Fools?

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.

really?

The plan has specific wording saying all these details WILL BE WORKED OUT AFTER the 1,000 page mumbo-jumbo bill is passed. Don't you just LOVE politicians. They're telling the truth, knowing full well they'll add all that AFTER its passed so they can 1) say they did not lie because it was not in the original bill and 2) they can have plausible deniability.

 Anything they pass should be in FINAL form so we can judge them by their votes on what truly was enacted. No more of this sleight-of-hand cr$ppola.

AJB; yeah, details worked out after the bill has passed

"Honey, I bought a new car today."

"What did you get?"

"I have no idea, we'll have to wait until we pick it up. But I know the payment is $450 a month for 60 months" 

I wonder if Abouhalkah

I wonder if Abouhalkah felt that way last November...

"Cuz they're ignorant." - Michael Jackson

If this abomination of a

If this abomination of a bill becomes law, I'm willing to bet that Teh Won's first words after passage will be, "Execute Order Sixty-Six!"

Ignorant Man.

Good grief. It's amazing to me to see the msm continue to stoop to such low name calling tactics. It's like they are attempting to bully people through name calling.

The thing is they are just going to make people more indignant.

I'm starting to see evidence of people distrust in the US gov in other ways in the financial areas too. More and more investors are trying to get out the dollar.

I was really surprised this morn while tracking gold with my desktop widget, <a href="http://www.learcapital.com/exactprice">ExactPrice</a>, that it seriously spiked up and continues to climb. Treasuries popped too. Looks like people are trying to find security.

The Media is grasping for

The Media is grasping for anything now as they see their control of the nation diminish.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Well I'm so Ignorant

I'm damn close to being retarted.  Please can someone in their lofty wisdom from on high come and save my poor ignorant ass from not wanting my children to pay off the debt this Government has and will heap upon us!!!!!

Liberalism: The huanting feeling that someone, somewhere, can help themselves.

Not ignorant...

Why Do Americans Oppose the Obama Health Care Plan? They’re Ignorant!

No not ignorant just misinformed. Spread the word this will be an excellent health plan as long as we keep the insurance lobbiest out.

Excellent?

It wouldn't be "excellent" even a third world backwater.  Sheesh.

We need a better class of troll, here. ©

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

Most Excellent!!!

All the wishing and a hoping for failure is NOT going to spoil the sweet taste of progress. The people who wish us failure are the same people our brave men and women are fighting over there. If you wish for failure go strap on a vest and go do it alone or with your comrades.

God bless America..we will prevail!

Keep it up

You're enthusiasm for the DKos talking points is exceeded only by your peripatetic trolling.  Enjoy it while you can.

I hope he fails, too.

 

 

~J

Don't distract him, he needs to concentrate.

 

Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today

I WAS one of those 'brave men..' fighting 'over there'.

Now I'm the 'enemy'?

Please tell me when I 'switched sides'?

And I'm not 'hoping', I'm confident this fascist healthcare attack on the freedom and liberty on the American people will 'fail'.

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Brave Man

Hey Tailgunner, thank you for your service to America! As a Vietnam Vet, I sincerely understand your frustrations! You will not be left behind as long as I and three million other living Vets are around! Come on, Liberal Trolls, try to take a piece of me! You'd better bring about two hundred of your brain dead troll buddies if you want a chance to succed, though! Go ahead! Make my day!

Thanks, but save the gratitude for those who earned it. ;)

I was paid very well for being there.

The only 'enemy' I fought in Bahrain was boredom.

(And I also tangled with a few dozen drunk soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines as one of the members of the Naval Security Force (military police) stationed there in '91-92.)

These punks will never be as motivated and dedicated in seizing our liberties as we are, and will be, in defending them.

Let's keep giving 'em hell!

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

tailgunner--

I missed any references to you being on the wrong side. I just know, even though my war is just about forgotten, (korea), that us vets need to stick together and I sure as hell would need a lot of proof that you changed. And I know you didn't.

"God bless America..we will

"God bless America..we will prevail!"

Why are you blessing America when you despise everything about her,  preferring European socialism instead? And how is it "progress" to do what makes every other country poorer, less prosperous, and less powerful than America?

Moron....

depressing roll call

"The people who wish us failure are the same people our brave men and women are fighting over there."

Below is a rather short list of people who wished anything and everything Bush did would fail from 2001 through 2008. They all -- on varying levels -- wished for as much failure and bloodshed in Iraq and Afghanistan as possible, for as much to go wrong domestically as possible, and for as many things to happen that could even remotely put Bush/Cheney in a bad light as possible:

 

Huffington Post

Daily Kos

moveon.org

Media Matters 

MSNBC

CNN

NYTimes

LATimes

ABC

NBC

CBS

PBS

TIME

Newsweek

BBC

Kieth Olbermann

Chris Matthews

Rachel Maddow

Wolf Blitzer 

Dan Rather

Katie Couric

Brian Williams

David Shuster

Chuck Todd

Anderson Cooper

David Gregory

Andrea Mitchell

Helen Thomas

Harry Smith 

Bill Moyers

Bill Maher

Jon Stewart

David Letterman

Matt Damon

Tim Robbins

Susan Sarandon 

Jane Fonda

Sean Penn

Michael Moore

Oliver Stone 

Janeane Garofalo

Danny Glover

The women on The View

Harry Reid

Nancy Pelosi

Barney Frank

Barbara Boxer 

Hillary Clinton

Barack Obama

My mom

My brother

My cousin

Most of my neighbors and friends

 

The list, sadly, is infinite... you smarmy, phony, dishonest, disingenuous liberal turd.

 

Hey Shy

 
Great list bro! If I gave a sh!t about this troll I would just reply:  "Turtle, turtle!" Know what I mean. Gotta love it!  : )

Gary

A liberal's generosity is limited only by your income.

failure and progress

Failure to enact Chairman Ow's socialistic agenda is one key to success for America.  The nitwit has already spent two or three generations into debt servitude, put the slow cap-and-pray strangle on our economy, and nationalized the majority of the auto manufacturing industry in the country.  That's enough failure for two whole terms.

"God bless America..we will prevail!"

If you prevail, kengle, then it will not be a blessing to America.

 

Just say HELL NO to Socialism.

The insurance companies are

The insurance companies are bought in to the Obama plan.  So is the AMA, AARP, Big Pharma, etc., etc.  I think the Dems have promised the Insurance companies that they will be contracted by the Government to do all the billing and record keeping for this "plan" and that as a single payer system, there will be no competition so the Government will be able to set a beneficial reimbursement rate to these companies for this work.

 Why do you suppose all the special interests are lined up in favor of this thing?  What do they know that you clearly don't knnow?

What planet have you been on?

Obama's been in bed at one time or another with every private healthcare or pharmaceutical special interest group involved in this debate.

They're the ones who are misinformed. Obama's stated goal, along with his administration commissars and most of the Dem leadership, is for a single-payer (socialist) health-care plan.

His strategy is to use the power of government to cripple, bankrupt and eliminate private healthcare insurance in the US.

And the Dems are lying through their teeth about the whole process and attacking their own constituents.

If anyone, especially in the healthcare, insurance or pharmaceutical industries thinks they can trust Obama to honor a promise they're simply deluded.

Many average Democrats are in the demographic groups that historically suffer healthcare discrimination.

Their legitimate attempts to express their educated concerns, and even their fears of a future where lifesaving care will be denied them, have been dismissed as 'coming from a mob', 'evil-mongering', 'ignorant', 'selfish', etc.

Here's a question: If Obama and Democrats treat Americans like this now...does anyone really believe they'll administer state-run healthcare fairly and without bias, rancor or agenda?

This is proof that Obama, like al-Qaeda, doesn't see political differences in Americans. To them, we're ALL the 'enemy'.

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Tailgunner

Well said!

 

Why, thank you!

 

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

Talking about being in bed....

NL, Tg etc...

Speaking of which...have you seen and heard about this?

Obama's a Community Agitator, a walking, talking destroyer. ~ Rush Limbaugh

Corruption, corruption, corruption. This is a crime.

Is there a US Attorney with the stones to prosecute this?

This firm owes Astroturf Axelrod $2 million. They were previously unable to repay it.

Now they can...probably with 500% interest.

(No, it's not a 'kickback'.)

Nationalized Healthcare is a DEATH SENTENCE.

More Reasons

A couple more reasons why us ignoramuses are against Obamacare:

Health Care Tax Insanity; IRS to Decide Amount of Taxation: http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com

...because after all, who doesn't want the IRS to have more power and staff?

No Right of Appeal in Obamacare: http://www.americanthinker.com

Of course, no one questions the government. They know what's best for us.

              

                      The congress, senate and the president, do not have the power to take over a car company. They don't have the power to give our tax dollars to the banks. They don't have the power to remove a CEO. They don't have the power to put a cap on a persons salary or bonuses. They do have the power to end the illegal invasion into this country, they just ignor it. NBC is owned by General Electric. General Electric is making the components for the roadside bombs that are killing our troops. Don't tell me the people are ignorant. At least the people have read the Constitution & the Bill of Rights. Some are even reading the healthcare bill. More than you can say about congress.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

But jessieH, do ...

But jessieH, do think that for one moment "the one" obama and the liberals really care whether or not "We the People" read the US Constitution, the Bill or Rights, and HR3200 (the Government Run Healthcare Plan)? I dont think so.

You're right (and as I have posted here before) the president and congress DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES to do what they have done so far (the bailouts, control of conpensation, etc).

And here is another thing I have posted before: To many people in this country believe that their rights, as listed in the Bill of Rights, are guaranteed. How can that document guarantee your rights? Yours and my rights are only guaranteed by the US Military. If "We the People" aren't willing to stand up to protect the rights of our fellow citizens, we will not havethose rights. Look at what is happening now! Our own government is trying to take away our rights.

"We the People" need to wakeup because this isn't about politicial parties, it's about what is being forced on "We the People" by a gang of thugs. This government plan to take over healthcare will affect everyone of "We the People" equally. The elite liberals, however, will be exempt. We are headed toward becoming a socialist country.

If obama succeeds in getting this government takeover of healthcare passed, look for the possible creation, by this administration, of a crisis so that our freedoms can be suspended. Don't think that is possible? Think again. With "the one" obama, anything is possible. IMO.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.