Did you happen to catch the candidate who handled her heckler with grace, poise, and dignity? It’s created quite a buzz in the media…
The Boston Globe spoke of her ‘snappy comeback.’ The Consortium for Independent Journalism reveled in ‘her deft reaction.’ MSNBC reported from the scene that there was ‘roaring cheers and applause from the stunned crowd.’ USA Today remarked about her ‘deadpanning.’ The New York Times noted that ‘Her words were drowned out by a cheering, now-standing crowd.’
Yes, the media was all sorts of in love with the quick retort to a crazed heckler.
But, if you thought that was in response to Sarah Palin’s excellent handling of an anti-war heckler, you’d be sadly, mistaken. Rather, those were all quotes in response to Hillary’s handling of the ‘Iron My Shirt!’ incident, nearly a year ago. It was all the MSM rage once upon a time.
In case you missed it, or are unable to view the link above, Palin received a thunderous round of applause when she told a heckler at a Florida rally that her son was in Iraq fighting for his freedom to heckle her.
"Bless your heart sir," Palin told the heckler, "My son is fighting in Iraq for your right to protest."
Check, and mate.
What of the media airing the incident involving Palin? Well, let me know if you actually see it on any television or news outlets. For, as much as the media was salivating over Hillary handling her heckler, they have been quite hushed about the Palin incident. Clinton after all, has been the media darling of the feminist movement and, well, she’s a Clinton. And the MSM would much rather report on why people hate Sarah Palin, than cast her in a positive light.
As of this posting, only local news stations covered the incident, along with Fox News, and of course some keen-eyed conservative writers.
Is this yet another example of media PDS? More attention is paid to the Code Pink style delusional protestor than to an able-minded conservative Vice Presidential candidate.
God forbid they would air a witty and logically justifiable response to an anti-war protestor. That just wouldn’t coincide with their own agenda.
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Waiting and waiting, like moose hunters
October 7, 2008 - 14:31 ET by Mica the MagnificentThe MSM is waiting - - - waiting for Sarah to show a weak moment.
Waiting.
It is sexist to have women do the breast stroke in the olympics. I mean, they never ask football players to do that! - - - Something independent thinker Joy Behar would champion
Mica,
October 7, 2008 - 15:14 ET by Indiana JoeLooks like they'll be waiting a long time. Palin is so far from how they've been trying to spin her, they're just helping make her look good. Every time they attack her, it shows more people how hateful, biased, and insignificant they are. And she looks better and better as time goes on.
People were excited about her at first, and it seems like a better decision by McCain every time she speaks.
The lady has steel in her spine. More than Obama and Biden put together.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
I hear ya, Indiana Joe
October 7, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Mica the MagnificentAnd she's only 44 year old.
The MSM is going to have nightmare that never ends.
I with to tawth wiff Ahwediwadath - - Barney Frank saying he wishes to talk with the Iranian dictator
Watch what you ask for...
October 7, 2008 - 14:50 ET by retroconIf they (the MSM) do cover it, it will be something like this...
"At a rally today, Republican VP Nominee and ultra-conservative Alaska Governor Sarah Palin exchanged barbs with an anti-war audience member. When the concerned citizen made a heartfelt comment about the illegal war in Iraq, Palin immediately went on the defensive, throwing her sons politically motivated military service in his face, as she has been heard to do repeatedly on her current 'slimpaign' across the country. "
The PDS is strong in the MSM.
I don't know
October 7, 2008 - 15:19 ET by Indiana Joe"Once bitten, twice shy." Palin has managed to put the MSM on the defensive now, with the Ayers questions. Sure, they're throwing a little her way about "negative" campaigning, but more effort is going into damage control for Obama.
And I think people are noticing that. They're noticing that, rather than addressing and reporting the "Ayres connection," the media is covering for Obama.
And, in the long run, that helps M/P, and hurts O/B. I think the facade is crumbling, and the voters are noticing.
"... smells like.... victory." - Robert Duvall, Apocalypse Now
Facade is crumbling
October 10, 2008 - 23:23 ET by needle"I think the facade is crumbling, and the voters are noticing."
I sure hope you are right.
But it seems to me that there is a whole lot of crumbling and a whole lot of noticing by the public that needs to happen, and in a hurry too.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Here is what appears to be a cell phone camera version..
October 7, 2008 - 14:56 ET by JTPhttp://news.lalate.c...
"I need more cowbell!" SNL
Yeah, this one is good...
October 7, 2008 - 14:59 ET by The DistributistThis one is good because you can actually see the dirty hippie as he cues up his yell.
"Modern man is staggering and losing his balance because he is being pelted with little pieces of alleged fact which are native to the newspapers; and, if they turn out not to be facts, that is still more native to newspapers." -GKC
Thanks, JTP
October 7, 2008 - 15:04 ET by Mica the MagnificentThe MSM will never show that one.
Last week I spilled spot remover on my dog and he disappeared. - - - Steven Wright
JTP
October 7, 2008 - 15:38 ET by Rusty WeissI tried to connect to that site, but it says the video is no longer available. Perhaps it fell into the same mysterious void that the SNL skit blaming Democrats for the financial crisis did...
There were two heckler videos there... One was still available, and the one you linked to wasn't.
Anybody else have that video?
Rusty
I just found it on YT
October 7, 2008 - 16:40 ET by JTPhttp://www.youtube.c...
"I need more cowbell!" SN
Caught that video on Drudge
October 7, 2008 - 14:59 ET by mrbucketCaught that video on Drudge and watched it a couple times... absolutely awesome retort.
I'm sure if the MSM covers it, they'll call it staged.
you know what's funny ...
October 7, 2008 - 15:47 ET by pmohbuckfor all of palin's alleged "inexperience" ... she has certainly proved to many that she can handle big-time pressure ... makes me question: what is the one element that supports such grace under so much vitriol in such a grand arena? the answer IS experience.
i now find myself questioning how much experience hillary clinton has in comparison to sarah palin? being first lady for 8 years doesn't amount to much ... in fact, i'll bet in all of hillary's liberal glory, she has never fought as much or achieved as much as palin has in her lifetime ... where was hillary at age 44? was she ever a mayor? a governor? i guess, in liberal minds, being a doormat for a philandering husband for 30+ years counts as some sort of "achievement".
Experience?
October 7, 2008 - 17:31 ET by retroconGotta remember, to the left, going to an Ivy League college is the only experience necessary to be POTUS.
The left really believes that those folks are "better" than us average folk, and therefore, the only ones "entitled" to lead. When it was BHO and Hillary, they didn't have that argument, so they avoided any real discussion of experience.
Seriously.
Bar fight
October 7, 2008 - 15:49 ET by BaxterJI think Palin would win in a bar fight. She seems like a hair puller.
Makes me think the idiots
October 7, 2008 - 17:35 ET by HermanoMakes me think the idiots in the media just do not know how to do a simple job of research. They said for over a year that we are in a recession, atd the data came back after Q2 and our economy was still growing and they were still singing the same tune. If I were Perino, I would say flat out, "Do you ever do any research to find out what the words you are saying mean? What school did you go to for journalism, because I am going to suggest that they be a little more careful about who they give degrees to."
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I saw the
October 7, 2008 - 17:40 ET by bigtimerI saw the response....
She was absolutely great, plus besides being a patriot, she responded as any mother bear would....and the crowd agreed, the majority of the msm cannot stand it...and we all know why.
Fear...pure fear.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Check and mate? I'm sorry
October 7, 2008 - 18:15 ET by JasonCCheck and mate? I'm sorry but this retort hardly qualifies as witty or relevant; a redundancy, I suppose, since in order to be witty, a reply needs to actually address the original remark.
Nor is Palin's retort even remotely original. This was not an off-the-cuff comeback; it was pulled straight from the oldest, most tired bag of conservative ideology, that because our soldiers fight to protect free speech, there must, therefore, be certain things that we should not use that free speech to say; especially if it is critical of conservative policy.
Now yes, in the abstract, the purpose of the military is to protect the citizenry's basic civil rights - including free speech. But, to rebut another meme from Talking Points of Modern Conservatism 101, the war in Iraq has nothing, nada, to do with protecting any basic rights of stateside citizens, though it has become extraordinarily common for those who believe the war was a good idea to paradoxically and reflexively accuse those who think it was an atrocious idea of being ingrates - or, even more paradoxically, and as Palin has nicely demonstrated for us, to essentially claim that because the troops are sacrificing themselves for us, we ought to mind our Ps and Qs.
Now all of this might lead to a more in-depth discussion if this article contained some clue as to what the protestor actually yelled. It was pretty indecipherable in the video as well. And unless the protestor was yelling "The military sucks!" or "F--- the troops!" - both of which I highly doubt, as only a tiny fringe portion of the left even thinks that way and I imagine any such person would be able to figure out that shouting such things at a Republican rally would be the height of idiocy unless one has no qualms concerning one's physical safety - then Palin's retort just plain misses the mark. Because frankly, directly insulting the troops is really the only sort of comment for which Palin's reply makes any sort of sense. Let's say the protestor was shouting "End the war" (I kind of thought that's what it sounded like, but couldn't tell for sure). In this case, Palin's reply would be a bit of a non sequitur; either that, or it would imply - as many conservatives do seem to believe - that the fact that soldiers are fighting on behalf of our country forecloses the legitimacy of a citizen to have an opinion on how that military - and the tax dollars which keep it equipped - is used.
Now, all of this aside, I do not care for protestors who directly interrupt speakers (except for the college kids who interrupt Ann Coulter, thus sparing everybody present from hearing her shrill, malformed opinions (but I digress)). And I say bravo to Sarah Palin for confronting the speaker directly; I may despise her politics and her worldview, but that's just something most politicians wouldn't have the cajones to do. So, kudos. And I even understand that she's maybe a bit emotional about her son right now, so it just sort of came out the way it did.
But it is in no way a newsworthy moment, nor is it an example of a spontaneous moment of Oscar Wilde-caliber drollery. It is, rather, the oldest, most unviable conservative talking point in the book, mistakenly construed as clever only because of the shock of hearing it come out of a politicians mouth at a rally, where the sycophancy levels are normally at full-throttle.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ JasonC
October 7, 2008 - 18:21 ET by Cool ArrowThat's quite an acute subcutaneous reaction to her short little retort, isn't it?
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
My reaction is not to her
October 7, 2008 - 18:26 ET by JasonCMy reaction is not to her retort, but to the implications that:
a) Her retort represented a moment of Churchillesque oration, when it was in fact a sad, shopworn misrepresentation of both the role of a military and the whole idea behind free speech/dissent.
b) The MSM is obviously biased for not giving slavering coverage to said retort.
Also, of course, there's the fact that I find everything about Palin's candidacy to be repugnant and wrong-headed and I'd hate to miss an opportunity to critique her.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Repugnant?
October 7, 2008 - 18:31 ET by BW222That's exactly how I feel about you. Go back and play with the Kos Kids.
BW222
I'm sorry you feel so
October 7, 2008 - 18:55 ET by JasonCI'm sorry you feel so repugnant. Feel better soon.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Check and mate redundant?
October 7, 2008 - 19:13 ET by cocodrieYou cannot be familiar with chess. Your post rambled more than Paladin.
I love chess. I was
October 7, 2008 - 19:20 ET by JasonCI love chess. I was referring to Palin's retort, not the NB author's comment about the retort. I'll try to be clearer in the future.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Paladin
October 7, 2008 - 19:22 ET by Cool ArrowDidn't Paladin pretty much hang around San Francisco, and wasn't he always home in the morning with his Chinese Illegal, HeyBoy?
I can see the sequel dialogue "I got your Hey Boy"!
Maybe there's more to this Have Gun, Will Travel story than meets the eye.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
cool
October 7, 2008 - 20:27 ET by cocodrieforgot about San Francisco but I remember he went somewhere almost every week.
Correction, JasonC
October 7, 2008 - 19:13 ET by Mica the MagnificentWho would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
Correction:
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats covering up for their buddies at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae?
Answer: Didn't know it would be Barney and Chris, but I knew it would be the democrats.
We have nothing to fear but fear itself because fear, by itself, is nothing to fear, which is what we should not do. - - - Joe Biden attempting to quote a speech on t.v. in 1929 by FDR.
That's not quite as
October 7, 2008 - 19:21 ET by JasonCThat's not quite as catchy.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ Not at all catchy
October 7, 2008 - 19:23 ET by Cool ArrowBut anyone who blames the Democrats for this problem is racist, huh?
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Hey, I didn't say anything
October 8, 2008 - 10:00 ET by JasonCHey, I didn't say anything like that. But I do think that pretending the crisis is 99.9% the fault of Democrats is pretty delusional.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
»→ You're right Jason
October 8, 2008 - 10:12 ET by Cool ArrowWe would be remiss if we didn't remember President Bush using the high level of home ownership as proof the economy is sound.
I'm trying to avoid getting screwed in this mess. Doing good so far. Glenn Beck and Ron Paul warned me about this way back.
All I saw was a bunch of pigs buying votes.
God, bless Your Americans.
»→ Continue scratching
October 7, 2008 - 18:32 ET by Cool ArrowSlavering coverage?
How about any coverage?
Unlike Liberals, we don't demand chills, thrills, and Rise in the Levis reporters.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
cool -->
October 7, 2008 - 21:03 ET by MrShyRise in the Levis ......
"HA!" (said, of course, in the Mr. Leg Thrill voice himself :p)
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Jason is comparing Sarah to Churchill ? Allright a Compliment
October 7, 2008 - 20:51 ET by JayTeeJason needs to take a trip to Iraq and make Friends with Al Queda. they need some useful Idiots to wear some Bulky Vests to the Market.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
JayTee,
October 7, 2008 - 20:58 ET by R D Helm...they need some useful Idiots to wear some Bulky Vests to the Market.
FOR SALE: 1 computer keyboard, slightly used.
-Reeks of rum and Coke.
-Slightly sticky.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
Congratulations JayTee, you
October 8, 2008 - 10:03 ET by JasonCCongratulations JayTee, you not only completely missed the point of my comments, you've also broken out perhaps the second most overused conservative canard: good ol' "Why don't you just go to Iraq and pal around with al-Qaeda since you are so obviously an America-hater."
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
I think it's a little bit of
October 7, 2008 - 18:47 ET by balboaI think it's a little bit of an overreaction. Next thing you know Palin will say "Hi!" and everyone will fall over themselves.
»→ Right bal
October 7, 2008 - 18:51 ET by Cool ArrowOr his Hineyness Obama will say "I am he", and the women will faint.
Oh yeah, that's already been done.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
Exactly. Those were stupid
October 7, 2008 - 18:54 ET by balboaExactly. Those were stupid overreactions to Obama merely speaking, so why is the right doing the same with Palin?
»→ The moment
October 7, 2008 - 18:59 ET by Cool ArrowWithout provocation, I think Sarah Palin would have gotten a similar response to the same statement.
I didn't think it was a particularly witty response. I just thought Jason spent a lot of typing on something innocuous.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
His was quite a lengthy
October 7, 2008 - 19:02 ET by balboaHis was quite a lengthy response, but it seemed to be touching on something larger than just this moment.
»→ It's all good
October 7, 2008 - 19:11 ET by Cool ArrowWith Barney Frank claiming attacks on on Democrats for the Mortgage Meltdown are racist, it's hardly a blip.
"We cannot win with eggheads and African-Americans." - Paul Begala, Democrat racebaiter
I'm what BOR would call a
October 7, 2008 - 19:21 ET by JasonCI'm what BOR would call a bloviator.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
it was a great retort - you
October 7, 2008 - 19:38 ET by TruthMongerit was a great retort - you can easily tell by bal, jason and the sour grapes - so now on to the next topic pleeze...
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
Sour grapes? Over what?
October 7, 2008 - 20:52 ET by balboaSour grapes? Over what?
The better question
October 7, 2008 - 19:29 ET by SchnikeysPerhaps the better question to ask would be, "Why have we seen the media frequently fall all over themselves to report every 'charming' little nothing that Obama did, but have not seen the same treatment for McCain or Palin?"
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"My morality is your morality."
Because they're not
October 7, 2008 - 19:33 ET by balboaBecause they're not charming?
You think Obama is "charming"?
October 7, 2008 - 19:40 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Well, he's no Robert Wagner,
October 7, 2008 - 19:47 ET by balboaWell, he's no Robert Wagner, but I love the way Obama makes me feel like he's better than me.
I fail to see what makes
October 7, 2008 - 19:51 ET by Jack BauerI fail to see what makes Obama so special in that regard.
Be honest. Given the evidence on NB, aren't most people better than you?
I was making a sarcastic
October 7, 2008 - 19:56 ET by balboaI was making a sarcastic comment about the "elitist" charges.
I'm sure everyone here is much better than me.
Don't forget to turn your <sarc> on, bal
October 7, 2008 - 20:04 ET by BlondeOr in your case, <snark>
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
What are you refering to
October 7, 2008 - 20:40 ET by SchnikeysWhat are you refering to when you say "they're?"
Obama's 'moments'? McCain/Palin's 'moments'? The media?
And who's the media to judge which "moments" are and aren't worth covering, anyway?
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"My morality is your morality."
a. it's the blatant msm
October 7, 2008 - 19:39 ET by TruthMongera. it's the blatant msm bias
b. it's the blatant msm bias
c. it's the blatant msm bias
d. all of the above
Journalism is the opium of the liberals
The Point
October 7, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Rusty WeissThe point of the post is not whether the altercation was newsworthy. NewsBusters is not a news agency but rather, a media watchdog group assigned to identifying bias in the media. The point addresses that an equally mundane remark by Hillary, to a couple of dolts about a year ago received widespread coverage. And that event within itself was questioned as possibly choreographed. She was, however, hailed as a quick witted, dead-panning woman who would stand up to sexism. Apparently the fact that it was an anti-female heckler made it newsworthy, whereas the fact that this was an anti-war protestor made the event unimportant.
Bottom line is Hillary receives praise for her remarks, and Palin goes without notice. Considering the firestorm Palin's nomination has created, and that she has strengthened and rallied a significant conservative base, the omission is a noticeable one. Do you think if Hillary or Barack had an equivelant reaction to a heckler, that the story would go unnoticed? I don't think so. And I call that - biased.
Your statement that this was 'the oldest, most tired bag of conservative ideology, that because our soldiers fight to protect free speech, there must, therefore, be certain things that we should not use that free speech to say; especially if it is critical of conservative policy,' is just plain wrong.
Had she demanded that the heckler be arrested because he disagreed with her views, then that would be a different story. To the contrary, she made a counter argument, and in the process pointed out that he was free to speak his mind in this country, despite his views being 'critical of conservative policy.'
The fact that security escorted the protestor away has nothing to do with Palin, as protestors at Hillary's rally, and similar protestors known as Blacks Against Obama were escorted away when they decided to heckle Barack. Security has a right to do this because they are interrupting a speech that the crowd is there to hear and support.
Beyond that, I had trouble sifting through the myriad of run on sentences in your post to discuss things further. Perhaps freedom of speech should be amended to freedom of concise speech for the purposes of this forum.
Rusty
I thought Seton said that
October 7, 2008 - 19:53 ET by balboaI thought Seton said that this site's charter said you couldn't respond to questions?
I thought Seton said that
October 7, 2008 - 22:08 ET by Dan The Man 2I thought Seton said that this site's charter said you couldn't respond to questions? - Directly respond over the phone. Written cometary is different than responding to the campaign directly. To do that would cause a problem because it could be perceived as collaborating with them which is forbidden.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Bulls-Eye Rusty... I have
October 7, 2008 - 20:10 ET by bigtimerBulls-Eye Rusty...
I have been angry today about the way the msm has not reported this great retort by Palin...it is indeed nothing but hypocrisy and bias...first thing I thought of was Hillary too.
I see now at least BOR is going to report on this with his upfront teasers of what is going to be on his show.
I'm looking forward to it...
It is so pathetic what the remaining networks always do...I am so used to it though.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
JasonC lays Shredded at Rusty's Feet - Sarah's reply was origina
October 7, 2008 - 20:42 ET by JayTeeWho else here in NB can reply "My Son is fighting" ? ?
very few . . and Jason's post is barely worth this Response. . . He just wishes he was onsite to get Brokenjaws autographed Picture.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
JT... Yep..it was a
October 7, 2008 - 20:47 ET by bigtimerJT...
Yep..it was a natural response from a patriotic mama bear...and she did it with natural class...
...that is what the left are afraid of...very afraid.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Sara's reply/Retort HIT the office Emails before 3 PM Central
October 7, 2008 - 20:58 ET by JayTeeWe don't need no Stinking MSM TO SPREAD THE WORD . . .
brokaw and friends are a day late and a brick short of a load . . .
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
Rusty, But indeed, it
October 8, 2008 - 10:20 ET by JasonCRusty,
But indeed, it is a question of whether Palin's comeback was newsworthy, as the very title of your article demonstrates. The complaint is that the MSM did not broadcast this widely enough. Now, the only reason that the MSM would or should broadcast would be its newsworthiness, no?
Bottom line is Hillary receives praise for her remarks, and Palin goes without notice.
Comparing to Hillary Clinton is disingenuous. First of all, it smacks of a Fairness Doctrine-style approach to media dissemination, which I'm sure you're not in favor of. Just because Clinton responded to a heckler and it got some coverage, Palin somehow deserves equal time? Nonsense. Besides which, if we are assuming that the protestor was yelling about the war, then it is a completely different sort of heckling. While I do not, again, condone interrupting public speakers, the war is an actual policy issue. If the heckler in NH had done the same (and HRC is indeed culpable for the war, having voted for it) it would be quite different.
So the two things to keep in mind here are 1) The HRC incident was a blatantly sexist comment directed personally at Clinton (and, by proxy, all women), and 2) Clinton called the heckler out for exactly what it was, whereas Palin's comment, again, unless she was responding to a direct insult to her son or the military in general, simply did not make any sense. It's not that her retort was untrue, but that it does not align with a chant like "Stop the War."
Had she demanded that the heckler be arrested because he disagreed with her views, then that would be a different story. To the contrary, she made a counter argument, and in the process pointed out that he was free to speak his mind in this country, despite his views being 'critical of conservative policy.'
She did not make anything even remotely approaching an "argument." She made a retort, an understandable one in her current position, but one which contains the subtext of a highly illogical conservative admonishment concerning free speech and the war.
Try to understand that I am not criticizing Palin. I'm not offended by what she said, nor do I care that the heckler was removed. As I said, it's nice to see a politician in public break character and react as a normal person. What I am criticizing is the swooning reaction on the right to a retort that is not only tired but basically irrelevant and, concurrently, the weird notion that just because Hillary also talked back to a heckler - under dramatically different circumstances I might add - and got publicity for it, that it is inherently biased to not devote a 24-hour news cycle to this as well.
Finally, I beg your pardon, but there is not a single run-on sentence in my original post. Long, multi-clause sentences do not just automatically become run-ons when they hit a certain word count.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
Jason, It is the fear of
October 8, 2008 - 11:15 ET by HermanoJason,
It is the fear of reporting who these people are. This is why we the people have had to do the research on the good, the bad and the ugly of 0bama, McCain, Biden and Palin - because the news services are not doing this for us. In fact, they are making it look like something else entirely. If you are getting your information only or mostly from the MSM, then you are getting an incomplete, crafted picture of the candidates, their positions and their philosophies. Can we make an informed decision if we do not have enough information? Here is how NBC News reported the incident between Palin and the heckler:
Shocking!!! NBC reports on
October 7, 2008 - 18:54 ET by Hermano
Shocking!!! NBC reports on this!
Of course, what they said and what they played were very interesting. I believe it was Andrea Mitchell saying that the crowd was reacting angrily at the Palin rally. What she did not say was that they were booing Obama. They also played a little clip from the part where the heckler was yelling, but they did not play the response. I wonder why. Was it more newsworthy to say that Palin was getting negative reactions about her speech without explaining what the crowd's reaction was about or about the response to the heckler. At least Mitchell didn't say she yelled at someone who was expressing their Consitutional right to freedom of expression.
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JasonC
October 8, 2008 - 20:45 ET by Rusty WeissHad to check into balboa's comments and see if I am ok to respond to posts here, and it turns out that's a go.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. I think the premise that Hillary's hecklers warrant more attention because they launched sexist comments is questionable at best. When you look at the fact that those people were nothing more than radio show employees, that they were actually Hillary supporters based on their stickers and buttons, and that the general feeling is that they were Clinton plants in the first place, makes this event even less noteworthy than the Palin heckler.
I also take issue with your implying that a link between the War on Terrorism and freedom of speech is non-existant, and a figment of the conservative imagination.
The link between al-Qaeda and Iraq is firm, as the organization has been entrenched there for quite some time.
Additionally, it is Bin Laden himself who has expressed his desire to destroy the American way of life. A way of life which includes the United States of America being the only country where freedom of speech is a guarantee, and where dissenting opinions such as the war protestor is allowed without recourse.
Yet another example of terrorists - our opponents in this War - threatening freedom of speech, was the violence and rage resulting from the Muhammad cartoon incident. The Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten published a dozen cartoons which depicted the prophet. Lo and behold, this man was opposed to it, threatening that if the West is not willing to censor itself, then al-Qaida will do it for them. His threat was this:
Therefore, it is true that Palin's son is indeed fighting for our right to freedom of speech. And by extension, all of our soldiers are fighting for our rights - even the right to protest.
While I do disagree with your viewpoint, I did want to apologize for the run-on sentences comment. That was supposed to be accompanied by one of those little winking-type emoticons, but I had forgotten to add it. ;) It was meant to be an all-in-good-fun comment referring to your earlier post, which had hinted that your original response was a little long. Alas, I failed in that regards, and I do apologize.
Rusty
Bless your heart, Jason.
October 7, 2008 - 22:17 ET by CobraManBless your heart, Jason. Conservatives like Palin will fight for your right to make extremely verbose arguments against simple observations (it WAS a great retort to the heckler, shot, simple, and non-threatening, quite unlike a lot of the retorts that liberals seem to enjoy) and they will do so without resorting to forced opinion-inclusion laws like the Fairness Doctrine.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Nothing but Class
October 7, 2008 - 18:27 ET by BW222To paraphrase a basketball term, Sarah Palin is "nothing but class."
BW222
Discredit MSM
October 7, 2008 - 18:35 ET by BW222Even if McCain-Palin lose, they will do the country a great favor if they can totally discredit MSM.
BW222
Shocking!!! NBC reports on
October 7, 2008 - 18:54 ET by HermanoShocking!!! NBC reports on this!
Of course, what they said and what they played were very interesting. I believe it was Andrea Mitchell saying that the crowd was reacting angrily at the Palin rally. What she did not say was that they were booing Obama. They also played a little clip from the part where the heckler was yelling, but they did not play the response. I wonder why. Was it more newsworthy to say that Palin was getting negative reactions about her speech without explaining what the crowd's reaction was about or about the response to the heckler. At least Mitchell didn't say she yelled at someone who was expressing their Consitutional right to freedom of expression.
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Hermano... BINGO! You
October 7, 2008 - 19:04 ET by Clear thinkerHermano...
BINGO! You nailed it perfectly.
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GO SARAH
October 7, 2008 - 18:55 ET by Redrowan2000MAYBE 2012 WILL BE HER YEAR AFTER 4 YEARS OF THE SOCIALIST/COMMUNISTS RAPING THIS COUNTRY AND THAT ELECTION WILL LITERALLY BE A BLOODY ONE.
"DON'T LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YOU DOWN."
Red
CHAT......... ?
October 7, 2008 - 21:00 ET by MrShyOr are we just too depressed?? :p
NO..... CHAT !!!!!!!
Let's get a-crackin' !!
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
Yo Shy, CHAT!!!!
October 7, 2008 - 21:07 ET by HillbillyKingHow about a little Woodshed Forum topic and just post about the debate there?
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Hillibilly
October 7, 2008 - 21:09 ET by MrShyWe could do that, or open a chat on Chatzy (an outside site) or use one of the older ones here....
?
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
Apperently SHY
October 7, 2008 - 21:13 ET by HillbillyKingthe chat is up and runnin.
See ya there!
But if it don't work we'll try one of your ideas( I like chatzy)
If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.
Don Marquis 1878-1937
Jason C
October 7, 2008 - 21:25 ET by brerolYou missed the point by a Alaskan mile. The Palin retort was as you pointed out one that has been used by politicians for quite some time now. Witness the Hillary Clinton example Newsbuster pointed out. And that example is what goes to the crux of the argument. Clinton stomps a doofus heckler and the media swoons with admiration and proves it by flashing it across the airwaves until the public is practically blinded and numb by it. But when Palin smacks down some filthy hippie consider yourselve a political junkie if you find out about it.