Pretty shoddy logic here, Mr. Provenzo.

What say you about your failure to take into account things aside from "financial burden"?

From this article, it appears that Mr. Provenzo would ideologically identify himself as Libertarian- socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

But in his case, context is damning.

(Side note: What I love is the "libertarians" that we constantly see hiding behind their "libertarian" viewpoints while bashing this or that element of conservatism, but not speaking up very loudly on other issues where they should be conservative.)

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"My morality is your morality."

not based on the production of an individual.  No morally sane person can possibly believe what this man has written.

This is just despicable, in my view. The same mindset that was just unthinkable when proposed by Hitler is now going to be re-examined and redefined as not-so-bad?  Why?  Because we are "better" people making the same decision, so if we do it, it's OK?

Because a person afflicted with Down syndrome is only capable of being marginally productive (if at all) and requires constant care and supervision...

You mean "useless eaters" Mr. Provenzo?

Those who ridicule the idea of the "slippery slope" need look no further than this for  a clue as to where the regard for human life it headed if people like Provenzo have their way. "Accepted abortion" becomes "expected abortion" and the "right to die" becomes a "duty to die."

"There is no justifiable reason for taking any life..."

I can't agree with you on this because self defense is a perfectly

justifiable reason for taking a life.

I would agree if you had said aborting a baby.

Deplorable, Disgraceful.

Provenzo is gonna' have a lot of answering to do when he meets his maker.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

...were pretty big on getting rid of "undesirables" and those who were either not perfect or who would otherwise be a burden on society.  I guess this puts Mr. Provenzo in that camp, doesn't it?

Of course I'm sure he would be outraged if any one dared to compare his way of thinking to the goosestepping brownshirts of Uncle Adolph even though his and their final goal was/is the same.

Who is this putrid excuse for a human being? I have heard some pretty horrific things lately, but NOTHING comes even close to this monster's abhorrent opinion.

Why stop with simply aborting Down Syndrone infants? Any baby born with any defect should be put to death, so as not to inflict financial hardship on society, huh?

Here's a good one: The Center for the Advancement of Capitalism's website is, believe it or not, "moraldefense.com"

I truly believe that God sends special people like Trig Palin into our lives to teach us how infinite and inclusive His love really is, and parents like the Palins will testify to the same. 

I know a woman who gave birth to a son with Down's Syndrome.   Her doctor, and many of her friends, advised her to institutionalize the child so she could get on with her life  She chose instead to raise her child in a loving and supporting home.  Today, that young man is a productive citizen, beloved my many in his job and at his church.  The mother has said that she can't imagine life without her son in it 

To Mr. Provenzo: God have mercy on your soul, sir, if you indeed have one, because you will answer for your beliefs, and for the hateful and hurtful statements you have made.  The beautiful thing is that Trig Palin would be the first one to forgive you.

Ex-Alabama coach Gene Stallings had a son with Down syndrome. John Mark was so loved and adored by his family, and they were devastated when he died back in August at age 46. He was super popular with the fans, faculty, and students at the school.

It takes a special person to overcome society's obsession with perfection and see the potential in a Down syndrome child.

....it is crucial to reaffirm the morality of aborting a fetus diagnosed with Down syndrome (or by extension, any unborn fetus)....

Considering Provenzo's disgusting views on which human being is fit to pass his life or death audition, how propitious for Provenzo that he wasn't born with a defect similar to Trigs.

Having had the Goracle and lately the 'chosen one' thrust upon Americans by a media in search of a contemporary man-god the last thing America needs is another false messiah such as Provenzo.  Instead of calling for blood you might consider counting your blessings Provenzo.

This guy uses collectivist reasoning for killing a child, then calls himself a liberaltarian.  Oh, well.

This "journalist" understands that those who are pro-life view the unborn as a person. Yet, he still wants them to do away with a "burden"

Let's follow this to it's logical conclusion. Kill already born Down babies. They are also burdens. Now, lets go further...adult Down syndrome people.

OK...now, who else is a burden..elderly, terminally ill, maybe other undesireable people.

Once you throw out special creation and hold that everything on Earth is a result of random evolution..then what he says makes perfect sense.

Naziism was actually the result of "survival of the fitest". 

No one should be shocked by this..it is merely a manifestation and mutation of a long existing evil.

As to why God brings such children into this world, not to mention untold and horrible human suffering in general...no one knows for sure. What is certain is that His plans are way beyond our ability to understand...

Certainly those entrusted with these pure souls have the opportunity to be giving and loving, and thus emulate God.

Maby this man is man enough to tell it to the First Dudes face. Ya think????? 

Seems to me that there was a leader of a country that had the same mentality. This leader had all of the special needs children, and adults, sent to homes where they were "cared" for...

The name, Adolf Hitler.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

So if "A parent has a moral obligation to provide for his or her children until these children are equipped to provide for themselves. Because a person afflicted with Down syndrome is only capable of being marginally productive (if at all) and requires constant care and supervision, unless a parent enjoys the wealth to provide for the lifetime of assistance that their child will require, they are essentially stranding the cost of their child's life upon others..."

Then does it not follow that welfare mothers should be sterilized to prevent future pregnancies given the parents inability to provide for their children and reliance on others to do so?

/sarcasm?

for this type of individual.

In the liberals view of the future world, all citizens will have to submit proof that their expectant baby must be free of a defect that would be a drag on the society and economy. If it's found to harbor a defect, and would cost the society economic and social resources, then the y would deny the parent's right to birth and the child terminated aka, murdered by the state.

I wonder if Kathy5319 is reading this.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Rusty...

Thanks for raising my blood pressure. I got so damned mad after reading this I went and snagged some of the comments that actually agree with this giant turd.  Sarah Palin Should Have Aborted

Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/  

That ojectivist writer or whomever you want to call him is a freaking Jagoff! How dare he? He probably hasn't even cared for a child, disabled or not in his life. Does this guy have any shame? Probably not. Nicholas Provezo, I hope you rot in hell, you selfish son of a bitch. HOW'S THAT FOR YA?!  Freaking Jagoff!

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.- George Santayana

I just finished watching a documentary on DNA, a four part series and the last one is titled "Pandora's Box." The man who discovered the DNA double helix is a multimillionaire and they interviewed him because he is for Eugenics and doing a great deal of work in the field of DNA research using his fortune. His work made possible the test which women can take which will tell them if the "fetus" (baby) they are carrying has Down's Syndrome. This man said Hitler's eugenic ideas were right, just killing people off in gas chambers was wrong. The proper way to do it is to test the fetus and kill the child in the womb, and ideally, down the road, genetically engineer the child so there are no Down's Syndrome children in the world. His ideas are penetrating society and he says the future of the Human Genome project is to make sure Trigg Palin's are never born. The result is that those who are expected to kill the undesirables are not Nazis with gas chambers, but mommys who abort their undesirable children for the good of society. As more tests are made available, society will decide who is and is not worthy of life, and will put considerable pressure (and disapproval) - such as we see toward Governor Palin - to abort. This is the more "civilized" eugenics, but the morality remains the same, and the killing is also the same. We are witnessing a growing renewal and reliving of the Eugenic agenda of the Holocaust, only it is not seen, but silent. And all eugenics stems from the same ideological root and justification - that we can "control our evolution" and so "improve" the human race to be what WE think it should be.

How arrogant.. and graceless.

"I linked an article regarding that at the end of my post above. It is
such a good story, and definitely exemplifies the potential in a Down
Syndrome child...."

Rusty, thank you so much for linking the story about John Mark Stallings. They were very proud of their son, which is in stark contrast to how a lot of the so-called compassionate bleeding hearts feel about people with Down syndrome. I also enjoyed the Charles de Gaulle link at Newsbusters about his Down syndrome daughter.

The Stallings are good people, and Gene is as close to Bear Bryant as we're ever going to see again.

Thanks WVDino.

I note that God says HE made people that way in this Bible verse:

Exo 4:10 And Moses said to the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent.. but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

Exo 4:11 And the LORD said to him, Who has made man's mouth? or who makes the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Here, He does not say such people are mistakes.. but that He intentionally created them that way. Aborting what God created and crafted is wrong. Killing because we don't think the design is right and perfect to OUR standards is not only tragic, but evil. It is immoral to take the step of playing God.. who has made children with disabilities Himself for His reasons, and in His plan.

It isn't just a roll of the dice, it is a definite destiny God chooses when He allows that particular sperm and egg to meet in conception (if it is a genetic "defect".) God's hand is over all "randomness" and "chaos" to bring about His design. To intentionally destroy what He intentionally creates is a sin, punishable by the Creator of Life whose handiwork is thereby also destroyed. Your autistic child has a place in God's plan, and he is not a mistake, nor has he been dealt a mere bad genetic hand (if it proves to be mainly or partly genetic.)

Perhaps it is when we are called upon to act for the weaker and more vulnerable members of society that our humanity - or lack of it - is made evident. Those who act in hateful, dismissive and contemptuous ways toward those with genetic physical challenges will have to answer for their perverse and sinful ways one day to the Creator who made them and does not think them a mistake. Those who wish to eliminate those with disabilities will one day, like the Nazis, find that they reap what they sow back upon themselves.

I am glad you did not cooperate with their DNA probe. The mere scientific facts have no value unless they are moved toward an end, and the "end" they have in view, is to eliminate this "problem" of disabilities from the human gene pool. I am skeptical the risk of their using such barbaric methods (abortion) are worth your helping them to achieve that goal. Bill Gates, the maker of Microsoft, is partly autistic, by the way. If his parents had a test and were told he would likely be autistic (they don't know how much, just that the gene is present and could manifest in disease), would they have killed him, too? Is it right to deprive the world of such talents and abilities?

Gil.

Diagnosing Bill Gates by Time Magazine

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,979990,00.html

First of all who is this guy to say who should live and die. I have an uncle with Down Syndrome and even though some members of my family make fun of him, he never holds a grudge, never gets mad, and always has a cheerful attitude. I also work as a tv weatherman and almost everyday I have a viewer who has Down Syndrome call me just to talk about weather or what's going on with the football teams. I look forward to talking with him because he always has a good attitude (unlike other viewers sometimes).

Secondly, now I'm not a parent...I hope to be someday but I could not see how a father and mother would rationalize aborting a baby for having defects. That is still a child and a gift from God.

www.theholyrosary.org

"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

He claims that it is "morally acceptable" to abort a Down Syndrome baby. I don't agree with that at all, but just applying logic to his own argument, this statement DOES NOT IMPLY that NOT aborting the baby is IMMORAL. To anyone who studied mathematics or philosopy in college, the argument is "A implies B DOES NOT MEAN that B implies A".

Being second generation American, I never learned the language of my grandparents - and neither did my parents, BTW (not quite the same philosophy as today's immigrants, is it), so I can't use any dirty words in Italian and try to slip them past the site monitors. So let me just say in English - Provenzo (to my shame, a fellow paisano) is a flaming idiot.

Also please note that Trig was born about a month premature.  The newborn picture you are looking at, is what a baby looks like at 8 months or so.

So when you look at that picture try to imagine this, Mr. Provenzo is advocating the termination of that baby because he views Palin's decision as a financial burden on others.

If I knew Mrs. Palin, I would sincerely request a hug from Trig just because of this story.  As it stands, I think I'll have to settle for a hug from my gifted and autistic nephew instead.  And I'll thank God that my sister wasn't nearly as sadistic as this individual.

And from there, I'll be giving all of my nieces and nephews a hug and thank God that they're with me today.

And I'm going to end my day by reading a story to my own kids, giving them a hug and a kiss before they go to bed tonight.  And I'll thank God that they're with me as well, despite all of MY MANY IMPERECTIONS.

Most people would probably only consider me to be marginally productive come to think of it!  <--- Just a little humor to ease the tension of the topic...   :)

Anyway, thanks for anyone who is listening to my rambling.  But, the emotions that have been driven out of me by this writer, along with the wonderful stories being shared in this very list of comments, has me struggling between being extremely angry and extremely thankful.

It's ironic, and tragic, that the mothers of everyone able to argue for abortion all chose life.

Mrs. Provenzo chose life. 

Sleep well, Nicky.

MAC