A Mexican bar owner in Reno Nevada flew the Mexican flag above that of the United States. Only problem is that this is specifically illegal under United States Code Section 7, Title Four, which states,
(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
The brazen effrontery of the bar prompted an American veteran to cut down both flags. But when CNN reported on the event, they managed to significantly skew the perception. The CNN report simply states that the veteran was angry that the Mexican flag was placed above that of the US- no mention was made that it was in fact illegal under US law. CNN compounded their offense by showing in their video clip, not the actual words of the relevant US code that outlaws this action, but instead 'flag rules' taken from USHistory.org, thus downplaying the actual offense, by suggesting that athe law is in fact merely recommended behavior. As in so much relating to the illegal alien lobby, apprently it is OK with CNN for immigrants to disrespect and/or disobey the laws of our country, but let one American try to react, and they scream bloody murder. Balance? What balance? Cross-posted on StoneHeads.
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The people at CNN..
October 3, 2007 - 12:29 ET by Sergeant ROCK..are both liars and idiots. Sorry for stating the obvious.
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Pennant
October 3, 2007 - 12:39 ET by ammo johnI would've cut and flown the upper 2" of the Mexican flag and used it as a pennant above Old Glory, like battlefield victory pennants in the military.
Good idea!
October 3, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Sergeant ROCKGood Idea!
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Updside down
October 3, 2007 - 12:53 ET by ThisnThatCut it down and fly it upside down, like so many other pictures CNN likes to display of "protesters" displaying the American flag. Or burn it. CNN loves to report on/show a good flag-burning event now and then, while reporting positively on the protesters.
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ammo....those pennants go
October 3, 2007 - 13:02 ET by bassndudeammo....those pennants go on the unit flag, (division, brigade, battalion), not the American flag.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Good for him
October 3, 2007 - 13:21 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThe gentleman who took the flags down showed remarkable restraint when he did so. You could tell from the video he was fuming (rightfully so) and wanted to take someone's head off. I would not have been able to restrain myself from throwing down the Mexican fl(r)ag and stomping/spitting all over it.
D
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Oh, Harry? We need to
October 3, 2007 - 12:30 ET by TruthMongerOh, Harry? We need to condemn this mexican flag hater - when you have a moment please:)
CNN should note the federal
October 3, 2007 - 12:48 ET by Ken ShepherdCNN should note the federal law on the matter. That said I doubt there's any danger of prosecution nor likelihood prosecution would not be overturned on appeal.
SCOTUS has ruled flag desecration to be protected speech, so other violations of flag code are probably also protected speech under that precedent.
Nonetheless, millions of civilians do abide by the flag code in their own private and organizational use of the U.S. flag and it's not rocket science for CNN to know that and to know the law in question here.
CNN should note the Federal law....
October 3, 2007 - 13:18 ET by Six String SpiffNow Ken, We don't have ANY time for that. Do you realize you are asking CNN to present the side of the law? Who follows THAT anymore? If everybody does it, it must be ok. Right? Good thing for CNN that this country is civilized enough that even it's most pissed off citizens don't firebomb their building, or behead their family members (Islamists) Unlike some other countries that they LOVE to tout. It's absolutely AMAZING to me the complete lack of appreciation that these Citizen-by-birth-only (AKA: TRAITORS) MSM folk have.
The American Revolution Continued
these people burned the
October 3, 2007 - 13:27 ET by TruthMongerthese people burned the flag in college
they completely ignore immigration law, election law, murder law (regarding abortion), marriage law, religious freedom and free-speech law, drug laws...
try expecting them to recognize American flag laws
Here's a thought...
October 3, 2007 - 13:37 ET by AtillaKahunaHey, we could throw their words and actions back in their faces. This fine, upstanding, patriotic American Hero was just exercising his right to free speech by using the Mexican fl(r)ag (thanks, DontFeed...) as his demonstration object. No problem there, right???
Sure. They'll see it that way. NOT.
Kahuna
CNN's misplaced loyalties. What a surprise.
October 3, 2007 - 12:52 ET by Dave RJust further proof of the misplaced loyalties of the Communist News Network.
As if we needed any.
How any real American can still watch that hideous network is beyond me. I haven't watched it in over ten years. What is more, I do not allow it tuned on in my home.
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CNN
October 3, 2007 - 12:56 ET by Sergeant ROCKWell, you have to remember that CNN was the official cable news network of the Saddam Hussein regime afterall.
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Right you are, Sarge.
October 3, 2007 - 21:19 ET by Dave RWhen I'm president, privatization is off the table because it's not the answer to anything.-Hillary Rodham, September 3, 2007 AARP Legislative Conference.
No other flag or pennant
October 3, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Roger the ShrubberNo other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America.
Is that to the right facing the flag or to the right away from the flag? Just wondering.
Fly the flag on the right
October 3, 2007 - 14:19 ET by JeffWhen flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from
separate staffs of the same height. The United States flag, if required, will be
displayed on the right (the flag's own right, the observer's left) of all
others.
Here's a graphic
link
..either we get our heads together about this war, or our enemies will surely separate them for us...
this is specifically
October 3, 2007 - 12:56 ET by BDthis is specifically illegal under United States Code
So is illegally entering the US.....
good one BD. C
October 3, 2007 - 13:31 ET by PKgood one BD.
C
Writing on the flag is also
October 4, 2007 - 09:08 ET by blogonatorWriting on the flag is also explicitly illegal under US Code:
http://www.usndemvet...
This is interesting
October 3, 2007 - 13:44 ET by LeonThis is interesting Richard.
I've never heard of this law before but I can say for sure I've seen many many Italian Restaraunts and Irish Bars that fly the Italian and Irish flags at the same level as the US flag.
Not to mention flags flying at private residences.
I don't recall anyone complaining about them before.
Newsbusters Scandal!!!
October 3, 2007 - 13:58 ET by LeonIn Fact,
It appears to me from photos that Pat Troy's the home of the Newsbusters Happy Hour is in violation of this law.
They fly the Irish flag at the same level as the American flag!!
Uh-oh!
Newsflash: NB uses anti-American establishment for meeting place...developing...
Are the flags cloaked? Where
October 3, 2007 - 14:01 ET by Roger the ShrubberAre the flags cloaked? Where are they?
Gotta click on Pat Troy's
October 3, 2007 - 14:03 ET by LeonGotta click on Pat Troy's on the list to the right of the first picture.
Thought it would link directly but it didnt.
Actually, I believe you are
October 3, 2007 - 14:56 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, I believe you are incorrect. The American flag in the photo that your link did not correctly send us to is flying on the right of the foreign flag and at the same level, which is the correct way to fly the flags, according the BD's and the other link provided on this thread.
So, what's your point?
Legally, the flag of a
October 3, 2007 - 13:58 ET by BDLegally, the flag of a foreign nation MAY be flown, but not HIGHER than the US flag, and the US flag must be flown either in front of the foreign flag or to the right of the foreign flag (Right of line honors etc)
Whose Right?
October 3, 2007 - 14:00 ET by LeonWhose Right?
Please refer
October 3, 2007 - 14:12 ET by BDPlease refer to:
http://www1.va.gov/opa/feature/celebrate/flagdisp.asp
Thanks BD, So I'm
October 3, 2007 - 14:15 ET by LeonThanks BD,
So I'm right.
Hundreds of US retail establishments and personal residences are in violation of this law.
So why single this one business out?
Failure of others to follow
October 3, 2007 - 14:24 ET by BDFailure of others to follow is no excuse. You do not justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
BD, PS that's a classic
October 3, 2007 - 14:27 ET by LeonBD,
PS that's a classic move employed by the NBs. Just a side note.
Fine then, when are we going to start going after all these Irish bars?
I have refrained from such
October 3, 2007 - 16:00 ET by BDI have refrained from such as far as I can recall.
Leon wrongly asserts, in the face of overwhelming contrary evide
October 3, 2007 - 16:00 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsSo I'm right.
Actually, you are wrong, look at the link again. Read the following paragraph and look at the accompanying picture:
The U.S. flag, when displayed with another flag against a wall from
crossed staffs, should be on the U.S. flag’s own right, and its staff
should be in front of the staff of the other flag.
I expect an apology, as you are once again proven wrong.
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"Apology?" Are you kidding?
October 3, 2007 - 16:29 ET by RJTrolls NEVER apologize. The best you can expect is to make them look ignorant, as was done on this thread.
Don't, 1) Why do I owe
October 3, 2007 - 16:33 ET by LeonDon't,
1) Why do I owe you an apology?
2) You're way too late to the party. I wasn't sure from which perspective you had to look while judging right
3) You ignored my other example link
As I also posted below,
October 3, 2007 - 19:53 ET by Roger the ShrubberAs I also posted below, Hater, you are wrong. Actually, you owe everybody here an apology for wasting thread space with your stupid comments.
one to nil
October 3, 2007 - 20:01 ET by Free StinkerRoger: 1
Leon: 0
BD, What about this
October 3, 2007 - 14:02 ET by LeonBD,
What about this line:
No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof:
Prominence equates to "Right
October 3, 2007 - 14:09 ET by BDProminence equates to "Right of line honors".
BD, I don't know what
October 3, 2007 - 14:11 ET by LeonBD,
I don't know what that means.
Nonetheless, my point is made.
nobody follows this law.
Plenty of homes fly only international flags with no rammifications.
Plenty of retail establishments fly international flages to the right left and above the American flag.
According to traditional
October 3, 2007 - 14:23 ET by BDAccording to traditional military honors, the oldest unit, or any unit designated for special honor is always positioned to the "Right of the line". Historically this was because all other military unit "Dressed" on the unit tot he right of them and it was beleived that the best unit formed the basis for all formations.
If you ever attend a military parade and face across the parade ground towards the assembled unit you will usually find the guys on the LEFT side as you view them to be the oldest unit.
This is also applied to military flags and the national flag when it is in formation. Frankly, most military parades will ensure this is not misunderstood by either giving the flagberer honors for the national standard to the tallest soldier or positioning the flag in the center with a longer staff holding the flag.
by and large you will note that these rules are followed, but usually not noticed.
Oh no another
October 3, 2007 - 14:06 ET by LeonOh no another culprit!
There are hundreds of establishments that don't abide by this law.
Ha. Fake issue fake issue.
People only care b/c they hate Mexicans.
Legal or not.
Leon, It's pretty
October 3, 2007 - 14:22 ET by Darth DutchLeon,
It's pretty presumptive to assume to know what's in people's hearts. It's the same line that the pro illegal immigrant community makes; Americans are against illegal immigrants because they are racist. It's a false argument.
Oh, and by the way, the fact that a law is not enforced as it should be doesn't mean what was done wasn't against the law. Do you protest with a police officer if you are caught speeding and others aren't because "everyone does it"? Try that argument in court and see how far it gets you.
Dutch
No, the point is why has
October 3, 2007 - 14:26 ET by LeonNo,
the point is why has it only caused an uproar now?
and the answer is, b/c the flag is Mexican.
Let me try your argument
October 3, 2007 - 14:31 ET by Darth DutchLet me try your argument against you...why do Mexicans hate America? After all, many Mexicans are here illegally and break our laws. Why do they think they shouldn't follow the normal immigration procedure?
Andy why are they racist and think that they are above Americans? After all their flag was put above America's?
Dutch
Darth. Pretty sure
October 3, 2007 - 14:36 ET by LeonDarth.
Pretty sure they're just here to get paid.
And they shold follow the normal immigration process.
Where did I say they shouldn't?
Try to stay on topic.
Considering how many
October 3, 2007 - 17:08 ET by Darth DutchConsidering how many Mexican nationals are here illegally and considering how many pro illegal immigration groups believe that the U.S.'s land is actually Mexico's and they have a "right" to be here legally or illegally, are you really surprised at Americans getting upset at the Mexican flag being above the American flag? Do you really not see why that is upsetting to people?
Dutch
And not-only that...
October 3, 2007 - 14:40 ET by sarcasmoHow come Mexico's so-damn-much tougher on illegals than the USA is, but everyone on the left bitches & moans about US law ONLY? (You'd best NOT be an illegal Guatemalan or Honduran caught visiting/working-in Mexico, unless you also planned a long visit to the much-storied Mexican prison system!)
I'll say it for the 1000th time...Mexico could easily change/repeal enough Mexican laws to change their country from a big-government quasi-socialist disaster to a capitalist-paradise by repealing all Mexican laws, importing a '70s version of the Hong Kong Statutes Annotated, and then repealing a big part of that, too. Then their only problem would be keeping US citizens OUT, and Mexicans would naturally want to stay.
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Legally
October 3, 2007 - 14:09 ET by ding7777the foreign flag can fly all by itself.
Over embassies or consulates
October 3, 2007 - 14:10 ET by BDOver embassies or consulates which are technically foreign lands.
BD, what's the ruling
October 3, 2007 - 14:17 ET by LeonBD,
what's the ruling concerning the good old racist Stars and Bars?
I've seen house after house down in South Carolina by my Grandparents that only fly the Confederate flag.
Isn't that illegal too?
Pointing to bad behavior to
October 3, 2007 - 14:26 ET by BDPointing to bad behavior to justify other bad behavior is illogical.
Ok so what now? Where's
October 3, 2007 - 14:30 ET by LeonOk so what now?
Where's the uproar for the other thousands of businesses and personal homes in violation of this law?
Leon, BD is pointing out
October 3, 2007 - 14:48 ET by Airforce_5_OLeon, BD is pointing out that the mentality of "Everyone is doing it, so it must be right" does not make a argument.
The fact that most people in the US don't do the research in flying the flag is no excuse either. The problem here is the Media made a big deal out of the man’s illegal act without citing the law broken as if it did not exists.
I have a flag in my front yard. It comes down at night and when the weather is bad. I did the research on flying the flag.
CNN should have done their homework before handling the story yet they go haft cocked about how people reacted and not the law
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The only thing you should feel when shooting insurgents is the rifle recoil.
BD
October 3, 2007 - 18:58 ET by ding7777From Flag rules at ushistory
Did not say one must fly US
October 3, 2007 - 19:09 ET by BDDid not say one must fly US flag, nor that one might NOT fly a foreign flag (Other than specifying how one positions the flag itself.) .
However I applaud the soldiers actions in removing the offending article.
It's a free country. You can
October 3, 2007 - 17:02 ET by Ken ShepherdIt's a free country. You can fly whatever flag you want on your own property and it's none of the government's business.
But it shows the media's ignorance of federal law and patriotic tradition to not know that flying the flag of another nation over the US flag is a symbol of immense disrespect (to be charitable) to the people of the United States, whom the flag represents.
Back to the basic issue
October 3, 2007 - 15:48 ET by philhoeyThe Mexican flag was flying ABOVE the American flag. If flown below or to the right at the same height - or by itself, that would be OK as I understand the law. However, the Mexican flag CANNOT be flown by itself on Federal, State or local Government property - as one done at one California school.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius
BD
October 4, 2007 - 13:11 ET by fastfoodExcept in a foriegn country, as on a foriegn
US Government installation.
If it ain't broke, why screw it up.
Where, in the Flag code
October 3, 2007 - 14:06 ET by ding7777does it say an American veteran should arbitrarily cut down both flags?
No, that was just the act of
October 3, 2007 - 14:10 ET by BDNo, that was just the act of a good citizen.
What Should've Happened
October 3, 2007 - 15:47 ET by chuckoMy question is, why didn't a Reno cop or somebody with more authority take down the Mexican flag. And further, why were BOTH flags taken down? Keep the AMERICAN FLAG up there!
But also, the author of this article needs to stop whining about CNN's treatment of the illegal immigration debate and actually watch Lou Dobbs. He has NO sympathy for illegal immigrants and laws that seem to protect them.
And finally, just because CNN used UShistory.org as a source doesn't mean they are OK with the Mexican flag flying above an American bar. Again, I know you hate CNN but do some objective analysis for once. The critique of CNN should've simply been that they didn't use stronger sources to point out why the Mexican flag was wrongly placed. It wasn't just some flag rule that was violated but a clear violation of US law. The latter is what CNN should've said in their report.
I think local cops have more
October 3, 2007 - 17:05 ET by Ken ShepherdI think local cops have more pressing matters than removing improperly placed flags from privately-owned flagstaffs.
Ken Shepherd
October 4, 2007 - 14:26 ET by ScottyDogI used to work in Reno and the fact that Reno PD would consider filing charges against the Veteran does not surprise me. They are sanctuary city and the casinos openly hire and recruit illegals from Mexico. They rent casino owned apartments to them packing 5-10 people in a one bedroom apartment.
Reno PD refuses to cooperate with ICE.
Here is a dirty little secret.
Reno, PD does what they call casino sweeps every two weeks on payday. The Illegals cash their checks with the casinos and gamble until the money is gone, They get intoxicated on the free drinks and then become belligerent after loosing their money. Reno PD only will arrest them after they have lost all their money and book them into the Washoe County Jail on some minor charge like public intoxication.
Even though after being booked, the NCIC record checks comes back with their status as illegal and the documents are forged with phony names. They release the illegal so they can go back to work at the casinos and start the cycle all over again.
They know that they are illegal but refuse to call ICE and have them deported. Can’t have a labor shortage after all even though they are aiding and abetting the criminals they exploit.
The is old company store scenario that used to go in the fields of California with the bracero program.
I am sure this veteran had enough of this because anyone that has lived there for any period of time knows that this goes on and is fed up with the crime and the blatant loyalty to Mexico flying the flag of their land.
Is this Mexico or the USA