Can the Associated Press distinguish between racial supremacy groups and civil rights groups? Apparently not. AP writer Maria Sudekum Fisher covers the appointment of 73 year old Frances Semler to Kansas City's parks board, which Fisher opposes because Semler is a member of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps. As Fisher writes,
But Frances B. Semler's appointment could now cost the city millions of dollars because she is a member of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a group that advocates vigilante patrolling of the Mexican border and reports illegal immigrants to authorities.
Her membership has drawn sharp criticism from the National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Hispanic advocacy group, and the NAACP. Both groups are threatening to show their displeasure by canceling conventions scheduled to be held in Kansas City. "We see the Minutemen as an extremist group that espouses hate and vigilanteism and some violence," said Janet Murguia, president of NCLR. "A member of such a group, no matter how upstanding in other ways, should have no place representing Kansas City."
Although Fisher herself admits that the Minutemen are merely trying to assist in enforcing the United States laws, no counter argument is provided from anyone associated with the Minutemen except Semler, who is allowed merely to respond that
Semler, who said she will not resign, calls the threats from the civil rights groups "the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard." She said she joined the Minutemen because of the government's failure to enforce immigration laws. Minutemen members "sit on lawn chairs with binoculars and a can of Coke or something and watch to see if anyone is coming across" the border, Semler said. "I'm not even sure if they're armed, but there might be cases if a person has a legal right to carry a gun."
So Fisher refers to La Raza - an organization that promotes the advancement of one race over another- as a civil rights group, but allows La Raza to frame the Minutemen as an 'extremist group'. Since Fisher apparently cannot be bothered to perform any real research, I shall assist her. La Raza is a Spanish word meaning 'The Race'. The National Council of La Raza is a racially-based organization designed to assist and promote Latino interests. It is opposed to all efforts by the United States to enforce it's own immigration laws, and often files legal challenges when communities attempt to evict the illegal aliens in their midst. As the NCLR says on its web site,
NCLR supports comprehensive immigration reform that includes the following principles: 1) a path to citizenship for the current undocumented population; 2) the creation of new legal channels for future immigrant workers; 3) a reduction of family immigration backlogs; and 4) the protection of civil rights and civil liberties. By legalizing immigrants who live, work, and contribute to life in the U.S., the U.S. could deal fairly with hardworking people who have responded to an economic reality ignored by the law. At the same time, the U.S. can become more secure by enforcing the new law and by allowing undocumented immigrants to come out of the shadows and participate fully in their communities.
NCLR also espouses drivers licenses for illegal immigrats and in general is an organization designed to assist illegals in any way possible. By contrast the Minutemen are an organization set up to assist in enforcing U.S. law. As their website mission statement says,
To see the borders and coastal boundaries of the United States secured against the unlawful and unauthorized entry of all individuals, contraband, and foreign military. We will employ all means of civil protest, demonstration, and political lobbying to accomplish this goal.
Minutemen often patrol the border to keep watch for illegal crossings, but as they state on their website,
"Supported by a new and expanded national support team, The Minuteman Corps will observe and report suspected illegal border crossings to the proper authorities. As always, they will maintain a "no contact" policy with the humanitarian exception of providing emergency water to those illegal aliens found in distress in the wilderness.
So let's recap- an organization that promotes enforcing existing law and tries to secure our borders using civil protest, lobbying and demonstration and which works closely with law enforcement versus an organization that wants all current illegals to be made citizens, opposes border enforcement, opposes allowing cities and towns to determine if illegals are good for them. Yet Fisher allows La Raza to call the Minutement extreme, while not allowing any response, save a vague comment from Semler. Either Fisher is completely naive, or she is pushing an agenda. Based on her article, I would have to say the latter. Hat tip to NewsBusters reader Rick Sander. Cross-posted on StoneHeads.















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Racist
September 21, 2007 - 12:12 ET by well99It is alright to be racist if you support the left.Two standards are exceptable.Funny thing is La Raza should support the Minute Men.They are doing a job that Americans (goverment) wont do.
Can the Associated Press
September 21, 2007 - 12:18 ET by motherbeltCan the Associated Press distinguish between racial supremacy groups and civil rights groups?
Of course they can: the Minutemen, who oppose illegal immigration, are racial supremacists (wanting laws to be obeyed by certain ethnic groups implies that they are racially inferior).
La Raza (with its motto "for the race, everything, outside the race, nothing), is a civil rights group. (empahsis added).
racist retardation
September 21, 2007 - 14:35 ET by seejayYou can't be serious?
We're "racial supremicists" because 95% of our illegal aliens are "Hispanic?"
And expecting them to respect our borders "implies that they are racially inferior."
Who writes this stuff?
I wasn't
September 21, 2007 - 15:44 ET by motherbeltI can't believe you thought I was serious. I was being sarcastic: that was my parody of the MSM'S apparent take on things. Sorry, the sarcasm was so obvious to me, I forget that it doesn't always come through in print.
/Sarcasm Off
September 21, 2007 - 15:46 ET by Free StinkerDon't forget the /Sarcasm Off switch.
I know, FS, I always forget
September 21, 2007 - 15:49 ET by motherbeltI know, FS, I always forget that. I guess too, I should have said "According to the AP..." and then continued. But gee whiz, I really can't believe someone took that as serious.
MB
September 21, 2007 - 15:52 ET by Free StinkerSometimes it's hard to tell.
I sort of figured it out, but I've seen you do that before and taht makes it easier to determine intent. :-)
Some are Vigilantes
September 21, 2007 - 12:17 ET by Randy HallWatch out for very foul language.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH33F8Jl3d4
ever heard any of the
September 21, 2007 - 12:21 ET by TruthMongerever heard any of the language at the NAACP meetings, honky mo-fo...?
That was not the
September 21, 2007 - 13:27 ET by motherbeltThat was not the Minutemen.
And even though the guy was obnoxious, it was not vigilantism. Protesting, no matter how loud or prafane, is not vigilantism.
Some were
September 21, 2007 - 13:31 ET by Randy HallI didn’t say all Minutemen were vigilantes, I said some were. Obnoxious language that AV Independent Minutemen use and their very confrontational nature to Hispanics should be a cause of concern to those Minutemen doing it right. Not all Hispanics Mexicans are illegal the AVIMM are a spin off organization that has the wrong target. The right target isn’t Home Depot, or Illegal’s it’s our elected that aren’t doing their job.
You said "some are
September 21, 2007 - 13:43 ET by motherbeltYou said "some are vigilantes." And posted the link to the HD video.
Even if the protestors were offshoot Minutemen, like you said, they are still not vigilantes. Protesting and confrontation are NOT vigilantism, and calling it that won't make it so.
Time for a dictionary
September 21, 2007 - 17:50 ET by Randy HallYou ever hear of a boll weevil?
Minutemen may be heros but some are corrupting the message and all even the heros will be tainted.
The term vigilante is Spanish for "watchman or watcher, vigilantism is generally denounced by official agencies, especially when it gives way to criminal behavior on the part of the vigilante. Now referring to the video I posted how close was that to criminal behavior? They disrupted a private business, used improper language.
“[Minutemen] Their function is observation and reporting.” From RJ on this page.
Wrong, Randy Hall. Better re-read the dictionary.
September 21, 2007 - 18:10 ET by RJYour "definition" of vigilante is incorrect. You confuse it with vigilant, which means watchful or alert.
The word vigilante originates from being a member of a "vigilance committee", which is an informal council exercising police power.
I'm mistaken?
September 21, 2007 - 18:58 ET by Randy HallSo we have The Race (La Raza) telling us that Minutemen are vigilantes. I gave you the Spanish definition and you are saying I’m mistaken?
From Wkipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigilante
“In some cases vigilantes may assault targets verbally, or may terrorize victims, may perform inhumane acts, or no violence at all.” I think my video proves my point. But in case it didn’t how about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKinbHyXWk
Plus look the word up on http://www.dictionary.com
Watch the video
September 21, 2007 - 20:30 ET by Randy HallUSA!, USA!, USA!, USA!..
That doesn’t make me proud. It isn’t minutemen. WWJCS, what would Jim Gilcrist say?
We’ve a problem with this kind of protest.
Randy, you are confusing
September 21, 2007 - 21:21 ET by motherbeltRandy, you are confusing "definition" with "etymology." Wikipedia gives "The term vigilante is Spanish for "watchman or watcher" as the "etymology" of the word vigilante. That means how the word developed and evolved.
Merriam-Webster Online defines "vigilante" as "a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice.
In the days of the Old West, vigilantes were the self-appointed posses who went out and rounded up the criminal, be he bank robber or rustler, and hung him on the nearest tree, without a trial.
So we have The Race (La Raza) telling us that Minutemen are vigilantes. I gave you the Spanish definition and you are saying I’m mistaken? -Randy Hall
So, because La Raza says they're vigilantes, and they are Hispanic, that's good enough for you? I'm sure those in La Raza call them vigilantes, but they are using hyperbole in order to garner sympathy for their cause. And the fact that the word has a Spanish root doesn't give Hispanics the exclusive right to define it forever.
And even if you have a big problem with the kind of protest on that video (I don't like it myself, as I'm sure a lot of other people don't) that still does not make it vigilantism, unless you stretch the meaning of the word to include harassment.
Correct, motherbelt.
September 21, 2007 - 21:51 ET by RJInstead of going to the dictionary, Randy ran straight to Wikipedia and LaRaza, who agree with what he wants to believe about the Minutemen, and then he rote-parroted their words as if it's gospel.
But, as a well-known Senator recently said, that definition of vigilante requires the willing suspension of disbelief.
Dictionary.com too
September 21, 2007 - 23:16 ET by Randy Hall“Protesting, no matter how loud or prafane[sic], is not vigilantism.” “Protesting and confrontation are NOT vigilantism…”
RJ writes: ““The word vigilante originates from being a member of a "vigilance committee", which is an informal council exercising police power.””
vigilance committee: A volunteer group of citizens that without authority assumes powers such as pursuing and punishing those suspected of being criminals or offenders. RJ said earlier today about MM: “[Minutemen] their function is observation and reporting.”
“…they are using hyperbole in order to garner sympathy for their cause…” Watch the video again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImKinbHyXWk
When words lose there meaning men lose their liberty. You guys are tying yourselves into knots. Admit it, MM will do more harm than good to our cause.
You define it
September 21, 2007 - 23:23 ET by Randy HallOK guys I’m wrong on what the meaning of vigilante is.
You define it and tell me if the videos I posted portray it or not.
Or are those in the videos just angry, ugly, norte americanos that are not vigilantes and are just like the rest of the MM?
Randy, I was the one that
September 21, 2007 - 23:35 ET by motherbeltRandy, I was the one that said they are using hyperbole.
I did not say the men in the video were using hyperbole. I said La Raza, in calling the Minutemen (the original ones) "vigilantes" are using hyperbole. They do this in order to make themselves look like innocent victims of injustice.
I am done arguing semantics. You may call the men in the video what you want.
I think La Raza feels MM are vigilantes
September 22, 2007 - 12:27 ET by Randy HallSo we can assume all Minutemen are just like those that are portrayed in the videos I listed.
I really though Minutemen would distance themselves from AVIMM Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen which are nothing more than foul mouth bullies.
I think real Minutemen haven’t commented yet, otherwise the obvious hatred the AVIMM showen in those videos would have instantly been condemned.
I think La Raza feels MM are vigilantes. Because from their culture they are, so how can you argue with that?
I think La Raza feels MM
September 22, 2007 - 12:36 ET by botgI think La Raza feels MM are vigilantes. Because from their culture they are, so how can you argue with that? well Randy in the jihadists culture we are infidels and deserve beheading, how can you argue with that? the answer Randy is that in the racist LaRaza culture things are skewed. In the world the rest of us occupy LaRaza is wrong. If you wish to affirm a moral relativist position you are wrong. (Since doing so affirms that child molestors and rapists are just as correct in their culture as Mother Theresa was is hers)
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Some minutemen are
September 21, 2007 - 17:30 ET by BDSome minutemen are vigilantes?
Please provide to me the folloiwng has ever happened.
1.) Illegals are hung from trees by neck until dead upon capture at border.
2.) Illegals are taken from Border Patrol stations by mobs who subsequently douse them with Gasoline and light them on fire.
3.) Illegals are assualted by crowds gathered at the border and beaten to a pulp.
Has anything like this happened?
After watching the Minutemen for the past two years here in Cochise County, I would say they have been signifantly better behaved that the mob of protestors that assaulted the stage where Jim Gilchrist was speaking at Columbia University.
I don't understand that
September 21, 2007 - 12:19 ET by Maverick313I don't understand that if you are any other race than a caucasion, or of European decent, you can not value your race above another. You are allowed to break the law, draw government funds, and have all the amenities of a U.S. citizen as long as you are not an actual U.S. citizen. Our government must be drinking the kool-aid... and La Raza and their ilk deliver it.
If you don't stand behind our troops; please feel free to stand in front of them!
La Raza is a leftist-racist
September 21, 2007 - 12:35 ET by rbosqueLa Raza is a leftist-racist group. I am Hispanic in L.A. and I hear their crap and see their open hostility for everyone else every day. If the MSM and the left doesn't get it then they are blind and stupid. To the left, right is wrong and wrong is right.
Minutemen are concerned Americans.
This world is getting loopier by the day.
I agree
September 21, 2007 - 22:21 ET by well99"To the left, right is wrong and wrong is right."
Have you notice over the years that criminals are now the victim.This seems to be everywhere.It doesnt matter the crime.Vermont gave all those pediphiles probation.Stuff like that.It is crazy.Msm has to bear a large load of the responsibility for it.
That is not the question
September 21, 2007 - 12:36 ET by Lame CherryThe question is not one of racism and civil rights interpretations by AP, but the question can AP discern between it's phobic hatred of WHITE, CHRISTIAN, PATRIOTIC, AMERICAN CITIZENS and it's promotion of anything from terrorists to brown racists helping to implement the cartel's New World Order dictatorship........
and the answer is absolutely yes. These types want all white, Christian Americans exterminated in one form or another in a sort of Helter Skelter that Charlie Manson envisioned, so the cartel then can wipe out the brown and black skinned peoples in mass leaving only the patricians in control.
But AP should learn the Dan Rather lesson....the AP has uses now but once power is obtained they will be disposed of quicker than Dan like a Hardee's bag in a hurricane wind.
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Why are you people so
September 21, 2007 - 12:56 ET by Sonny LykosWhy are you people so surprised when the AP and MSM act like the socialists they are? And what would you do and say if you wanted to bring down the USA? Would you not do the same?
If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's not a snail.
By no stretch can the Minutemen be called "vigilantes"
September 21, 2007 - 13:02 ET by RJThey do not capture, detain or punish illegal border crossers. Their function is observation and reporting.
Only those with a political agenda, as this reporter obviously has, could possibly put the "vigilante" label on them.
As for LaRaza, just like CAIR, they are the true xenophobes.
RJ, that is how the Left
September 21, 2007 - 13:34 ET by motherbeltRJ, that is how the Left tries to control the situation: by mischaracterizing things and changing the language. They have to make it sound so much worse than it actually is. Yelling at illegal immigrants, or at Home Depot managers for tolerating them in the parking lot may be obnoxious, but it's not vigilantism.
Same thing when they call the Minutemen "terrorists."
Who controls the language, controls the argument.
just like CAIR??????
September 21, 2007 - 14:31 ET by PKdoes la raza exhibit the same spotting features that cair does.
that is bringing suit in court then dropping the suit just before the actual investigations begin.
C
Not sure what you mean, PK, but CAIR is unduly
September 21, 2007 - 15:02 ET by RJcontemptous of those who do not follow it's political and cultural views (xenophobia definition). As for the courts, CAIR deliberately and disingenuously uses them to push those views.
It reminds me of a little scandal here
September 21, 2007 - 13:31 ET by UndercoverConservativea while ago a member of the County of Santa Clara, Social Services Agency was "brilliant" enough to send a freakin' death threat from government email account to the Minutemen website. He was 'transferred' to another office quickly (not fired) and orders came from very high up to have Information Systems recover his PC and wipe it down to bare metal and reimage, covering all traces and tracks.
Not a year before, an email (in protest of a senate bill for drivere's licences for illegal aliens ) featuring a "spaghetti western" hispanic villian on a mocked up "Mexifornia" Driver's Licence was circulated internally. Non hispanic individuals involved were threatened with firing under "racisim" excuses, disciplined with one or two weeks off without pay. Hispanic folks were of course, completely left off the hook with sometimes just a verbal, non official warning.
County government officials have allowed la Raza (The Race, sig heil!) members to speak at "immigrants rights" events inside their leased buildings and on their property many times. Outright blatant support by government agencies to "La Migra" and "La Raza" (there's even a local radio station by that title now) occurs all the time. It's so bad, that some offices cannot install a flag pole, because they would be required to have the American flag higher than the Mexican one, and they can't afford to budget a half dozen poles to equally elevate the chosen "minority" home nations.
Hell, if taxpayer government agencies can't tell the difference between illegal and legal, between vigilante-ism and civil rights, how can we expect the ADHD Media to make the distinction?
So lemme get this
September 21, 2007 - 18:39 ET by KhyrisSo lemme get this straight...
Neighborhood Watch: Extremist vigilante group.
"La Famiglia" of Al Capone: Just a concerned Italian rights group looking for fair treatment of their maligned members.
La Raza is nothing more than organized crime.
The reason La Raza,
September 21, 2007 - 22:33 ET by ConservativeRexThe reason La Raza, NAACP, BlackCongressional Caucus , Pink This, Brown that...get away with what they get away with, is the federal government is always the one at their back, and of course these groups know it. They say what they say, do what they do, protest what they protest knowing full well there will never be a reckoning to their actions.
Their fall back plan has always been to scream discrimination whether it is real or imagined. They are the only members of this so called American society that only has to say it aloud for it to be true, don't have to show proof or malice or anything, the majority is always guilty.
A great man once remarked "beware of the tyranny of the minority" kind of apt these days isn't?
Just amazing,
September 21, 2007 - 22:23 ET by SlicksterYou sit here and argue about words while illegal aliens invade the country, commit crime, suck up government money and vow to destroy white people. Pretty easy to see how they are getting away with it. Some of you need to pull your head's out of your asses or La raza's.