Zogby Says Most Americans Believe Iraq War Not Lost: Press Says...Nothing


A new Zogby Poll says that 54 percent of Americans believe Iraq is not a lost cause. However, the mainstram media have so far not managed to report much if anything on the startling new poll.

A majority of Americans - 54% - believe the United States has not lost the war in Iraq, but there is dramatic disagreement on the question between Democrats and Republicans, a new UPI/Zogby Interactive poll shows. While two in three Democrats (66%) said the war effort has already failed, just 9% of Republicans say the same.

Many Democrats, seeing the fact that the surge appears to be working, have realized that their defeatist attitudes and willingness to surrender may cost them dearly in the next election, have changed their tune somewhat, or, like the New York Times, have merely moved the goalposts of what constitutes victory. However, the major media, who have been overwhelmingly in favor of a precipitous defeat seem to be a little slow in reporting that their years of negative reporting and defeatism have not yet managed to dissuade a majority of their countrymen from wanting to win.

As of 4:37 PM Pacific time today, the New York Times had still not put the new poll on its front page. ABC News seems to think that audio of Senator Craig's police interview is more compelling- they also have not yet mentioned the new poll. MSNBC also has not yet posted anything regarding the new poll; neither has CBS News, which nevertheless has had time to post a top story about a teenager who posted a nude picture of his ex-girlfriend on MySpace. CNN also has the Senator Larry Craig story front and center- not a mention of the new Zogby poll.

So let me recap- bad news about how Americans view the Iraq conflict gets front page coverage. The news that most Americans believe the United States can win is ignored? Just another day for the liberal media, I gather. Cross-posted on StoneHeads.

UPDATE: Apparently UPI, the organization that co-sponsored the poll together with Zogby has actually posted the results, but they chose to spin said results very differently. While Zogby points out that 54 percent of Americans do not believe the war is lost, UPI headlined the exact same poll as UPI Poll: Opposition to Iraq War has Grown. So apparently even if the news is good, the MSM will find a way to spin it into bad- if they bother to cover it at all. Thanks to commenter Jason of Texas Rainmaker for the tip.


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Most Americans believe Zogby poll not lost by media

I'm confident Chris Matthews and Matt Lauer will be mentioning this poll tommorrow to demonstrate to Tom DeLay that there is no bias in their reporting.

This will also give Matthews and Lauer the opportunity to insinuate the polling data was fixed by Karl Rove....

Clearly if this poll gets

Clearly if this poll gets any reportage tomorrow, it will be about another question that fits the liberal gameplan.

" The newest Zogby poll out, says most americans don't yet believe we have lost in Iraq."  "The same poll however, clearly shows a reduction in the number of Americans who think Bush should be reelected. This shows his complete loss of the American people yet again..."

blah blah blah

Only retards would think

Only retards would think Bush should be re-elected ...

... because we have term limits. =)

Off Topic ...

But not by much ...

Daniel Henninger has an interesting piece about today's media:

Media Showers
Why would the public lose trust?

http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/dhenninger/?id=110010537

Paging Jack Murtha

Any comment from Sen Reid D-feat in the demedia yet about this apparent contradictory opinion held by the American public?

Or how about Jack Murtha?  On second thought, I presume Murtha's attorney won't let him presently comment on Iraq due to Murtha's pending lawsuit by Haditha Marine, SSgt. Frank Wuterich who is suing Murtha for libel.

SSgt. Frank Wuterich who is suing Murtha for libel.

Ain't that a F - ing hoot??!!!  Heh-heh-heh!!!

Gets better:

If Marine Col. Jeffrey Chessani is exonerated of the charges against him he may haul Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman John Murtha, into court, suing him for libel ...

http://patdollard.com/2007/08/30/haditha-marine-planning-to-sue-traitor-murtha/

Ah!

Same story!  Good news travels fast ...

Damnit, drill!

LOL-you beat me by a whole minute.

Geez, can't you give an old guy a break?

Sweet

I'd send him some money to sue the idiot Murtha.

Wow...what a novel concept!  Hold these idiot pols accountable for their media lies.

I am LOVING it! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, Murtha should be pinned to the wall.

I've been following this from day one. Most of the accused Marine's families are in financial deep-sh*t thanks to that crooked congress-critter's little brain that is tied to his big mouth.

I don't often wish ill of this nature on people, but at the moment, one of my fantasies is that Murtha will someday be found dead and penniless in a gutter for what he caused those brave Marines and their families to be put through in all this. I hope he rots in Hell.

And shame on our "CIC" for letting it go as far as it did.

Agreed, Dave

Murtha is a traitor.

And shame to the electorate who return him to office.  They are even worse! 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Totally agree, Blonde. Oh

Totally agree, Blonde.

Oh boy, that would be so delicious to see Murtha held accountable. I would watch every moment of that televised trial.  The media would be forced to cover it and the public would see what a farce these charges have been.

Yeah, Felicity. It would

Yeah, Felicity.

It would be totally enjoyable to see Murtha and his, um, you know, nailed to the wall.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

acumen, Murtha may be on his way to becoming Rep. Defendant..

I hope that SSgt. Frank Wuterich takes that traitorous b*stard for everything he has, and then some.

However, it may be a good thing if Murtha has kept some of the "payolla" he has collected over the years well hidden from Wuterich's lawyer, as it looks as though he'll need it, as it appears yet another lawsuit is heading his way.

Good.

 

Dave and acu -

Being that all 3 of us have linked to the same story ... You'd think there might be a small chance in Hell someone in the MSM might've picked up on it too and run it .... Nawwww.

drill,

Yeah, but the beauty of this is that all the MSM cover-ups in the world will be unable to prevent the hit that traitor's wallet just may be about to take.

Heard the Colonel's attorney on Savage earlier tonight. He made the point that congress-critters are covered when discussing legislation, but not when libeling others. Who knows, if they get the right kind of  judge........

One can hope.

Aaaaahhhh!

It brings a smile to my face. =-P 

  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

Retreat

If we have lost Iraq who won?

JDW

CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?

 

If we lost, who won? 

If we lost, who won?  Thats what I say.

I checked the news this morning and found that the insurgents have not seized either Camp Victory, or Balad AFB.

The largest sized unit we have lost to date in the war is a Marine Squad when their vehicle was destroyed.

Latest news reports indicate we are removing 1500 insurgents per month from the enemy inventory.  Yet losing less than ten percent of that.

How precisely are we losing?

OMG! The leftist msm has

OMG!

The leftist msm has been doing everything in their treasonous power to get the American public to agree with them, demonstrate in the streets, blah blah blah....polls everyday...blah blah blah....

...and the enemy within are still losing!

Ya' Gotta Love it!

Hide

The libs are cloaking the polls, deficit numbers, GDP, Iraq success, unemployment...

JDW

CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?

 

Good Evening to you JDW...

Good Evening to you JDW...

CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?

That says it all now doesn't it?

Practice...practice...practice...

...Makes perfect for the political whoring couple.

CFR

I am certainly not here every day yet have not noticed you. Great to see you are still writing.

JDW

CFR: Chung, Riady, Hsia, Trie, Huang, Hsu, Paw... Who's looking?

 

Thanks JDW.... Been in

Thanks JDW....

Been in and out...

....Mostly out for awhile.

Summer.... fall and life....

Things happen...

One Poll

Does not an accurate public opinion poll make!

Yabut

Given that the media usually harp on something, then take an opinion poll that reflects what they've been harping on, this would seem to be significant. "In spite of our constant harping, we couldn't convince most Americans that we are losing." 

  Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

Democrats will ride Iraq into Oblivion

I have be God's inspiration since the 2006 elections trying to explain and even warn Democrats that the American public does not want withdrawal, BUT VICTORY.

The same holds true with the war situation in Americans looking objectively at Iraq realize it WAS a terrorist kill station set up to flush terrorists from allied states and keep them out of the west and kill them in Iraq. Rumsfeld was blamed for a policy he had to keep his mouth shut on or it would have failed as no terrorist was going to jump into a fish barrel and be told to wait to be executed.

The Iraq of today is stable as any 3rd world state and per capita is not really any different than the murder rate in American socialist slums like Philadelphia, DC, LA and Miami. In fact major parts of Iraq are safer than socialist America.

For all the polls, people have to understand what is really occurring in the order of battle. Iraq has had many phases, the toppling of Saddam to bring stability to the dollar as he was converting to the euro to the mention in recovered papers that he spoke of dumping West Nile into the United States. One can track West Nile was spread along the east west interstate system and by "coincidence" the Rockefellers funded a college working on West Nile in New York.

The fact is though Saddam is known to have shipped chemical weapons to Darfur to murder Christians. It is not that difficult in his bribery ring having got France to refine 1.77 tons of weapons grade uranium for him which DOD recovered that he in bribes dumped West Nile into America as payback.

People have to understand that pollsters are liberal and funded by the banking cartels for specific answers. The term WITHDRAWAL is their term as they want America out of Iraq so they can start stealing oil wholesale again. Right now the same Marc Rich cartels are skimming millions of gallons of Iraqi oil again........just like before. The cartel wants America out, a new commie installed and business as usual.

The phase of Iraq which America has entered now is one of clean up due to the majority not liking being safe and instead wanting Iraqi victory. What will happen now is terrorists have been flushing ot their homelands and will murdering people there and they will be coming to the west soon with WMD's.

Most people have never taken the time to read bin Laden's manifesto which he published. His process was to draw America into the Middle East where it would be defeated. He miscalculated and was instead wiped out where Zawahiri and the Islamocommunists are now doing the murdering at the behest of the Chicoms and Russians.

The process though when America winds down Iraq will be massive attacks aimed at America.

Bush & Cheney know all of this as do the Middle East allies who are sitting upon at least 10 million furious Islamic males. Instead of growing old and taking naps, these males will now rise up and basically create a radical nuclear force intent on taking Spain, into sub Asia and wiping America off the map.

I have written and located what I term are massive kill zones in the Middle East which have been set up to glean these millions to save the governments there. One must understand though that now 3 factions are at work in the Middle East. The central European Ashkenaz bankers who control most of Europe from the Rhine east, the Russian Bolsheviks with Chinese and the Americans.

Putin wants a nuclear exchange in the Mideast to burn the oil supplies up leaving Russia as the only supplier to blackmail Europe and China (China to be fodder against the Americans). The Americans under Rice are still wandering about arming the bajesus out of radicals being outmaneuvered by all parties now in the catalyst zone and the Europeans with the Olmert cabal puppets has so weakened the Israeli state militarily, engaged Jordan to occupy with them the West Bank........that the process is now set for a war where a weakened Israeli state will be attacked and in the event of war will have to vaporize several Muslim areas. The odds are that Damascus will be vaporized.

The Iranians are hoping when the nculear dust clouds settle they will remain the sole power in the east with a radical Egypt in the west. As stated Bush & Cheney are aware of the process and it is certain that key areas of Iran will be hammered and if WMD's start showing up the Sam Cohen vaporization of parts of Iran and the Pushtan will occur.

The President has not been able to speak to these issues due to revealing the entire plan ends up flushing terrorists out of kill areas like brainless Obama talking about hitting the Pushtan.....well the terrorists started moving out immediately.

This is why last year President Bush started pushing bio fuels which are going to drive up food prices and revealed America will depart the Mideast. A regional war with WMD's is going to happen and he is positioning America for it........that is one reason Luger and that boob Specter can't figure out Bush's demeanor as they are too inept to see the picture he does. I do not agree with the President a great deal lately, but while people have called him a chimp on the left........I have been telling people that George Bush is 10 years down the road in military and economic planning. While these polls whine on about Iraq, George Bush has engaged the process of World War III. That food which will be bio fuel and animal feed is going to raise prices in oil states and China and collapse them.

China can buy all the Russian toys it likes, but China will die without food supply in 30 days in a major war.

I do not see nor read anyone speaking the reality of what this White House is playing at, but Karl Rove hinting how bright George W is .....well he is right on.

I will not delve into the World War aspects here as this was about Iraq, but Americans need to understand that Iraq has gone exactly as was set out by Rumsfeld, the Pentagon, Cheney and Bush. I will though elude to something no one has concluded yet......Iraq was a humanitarian mission by America to try and save 10 to 30 million angry Muslim males. Iraq now will be a stepping stone to a phase 3 all parties have agreed upon and George Bush has been playing al Qaeda and making them react exactly as the operational strategy was set and the final containment link of Iran against the 3 billion communists of Eurasia is about to be sprung with that dolt Ahmadinejad leading the way thinking he is making the moves.......no war planners in Washington are laying a path for the Iranian zealots of nuclear mayhem to follow and they are doing it.

All of this entails a ten percent danger to America of nuclear hits, 25 percent on European allies and 40% on the Israeli state. The mirror though of not doing anything is 100% nuclear targetting of the United States and allied nations. It is deemed acceptable odds.

There are some very fine Americans you will never meet working in situation rooms who know these odds, what America is up against and have run the war games from every angle who have implemented this policy. They know exactly what they are doing and one of the greatest marks of it is liberals are clueless (yes Hillary knows some and is why she is talking of nuking Muslims).

America has been maneuvered into this game and is playing out the best solution. Citizens though have to understand that not everyone in government is inept and that just because Bush & Cheney are silent does not mean that they do not know exactly what is going on and there are measures being employed.

This is far too long, but Democrats will ride Iraq into oblivion as they are making a huge mistake in their loosing measures and exit. They have miscalculated immensely on this Texan and Iraq.

 

*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS

I hope Kerry is included in

I hope Kerry is included in this suit for he DID accused our soldiers and maarines going into the villages at night killing innocent women and children...And how about those news anchors. They were suppose to report the news without biases, but they were propangandists of the democracks and the left. Man, I'll sue them all!

The suit is likely

The suit is likely unwinnable, but it would be great to see a few court sessions where their comments are brought up and commented upon by veterans. 

Sort of a "Turn around is fair play" that we have been waiting for since 1965.

The new Mantra.......

The NEW mantra from the Dems is...

"The Military cannot WIN the Political War."   

But I thought taking Saddam out, proping up an Elected Government, WAS a BIG Political Win already ? ? ?

I don't buy that line........I ain't that Dumb.

And if OUR Congress wants to measure Iraq's Congress, then Iraq should do a Vice - Versa, and track the performance of the USA Congress.  

What good is a Free Press, if it is a False Press ?   David Foote  GoE

But look how UPI touts the poll

Even though UPI and Zogby conducted the poll together, they're pushing very different outcomes...