ABC’s Stossel: Obama’s Universal Pre-K Push Is ‘Waste of Money’ Reflecting ‘Conceit’ that Government Is Better than Parents

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Now for something completely different, or at least something pretty rare on network TV. ABC’s John Stossel has paired up with Drew Carey and the libertarian Reason TV for tonight’s 20/20 special headlined “Bailouts and Bull,” on the limits and unintended consequences of government involvement in the economy and in our lives.

While Stossel is known for his skepticism of big government solutions, most journalists at the big networks have been accepting of the premises of President Obama’s interventionist approach, not challenging his assertions the way President Bush’s economic policies were frequently challenged.

Stossel will tackle the idea that all economists support Obama’s government-spending-as-stimulus policies, liberal claims that the American Dream is now out of reach for most workers, and the idea that a fence along the Mexican border will really stem the tide of illegal immigrants.

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For this morning’s Good Morning America, Stossel previewed the segment on Obama’s promise to put every small child into a pre-kindergarten program, universal pre-K. He showed a clip of a creepy ad put together by advocates showing four-year olds thanking those fighting on behalf of more government spending, with one little boy exclaiming “I love you.”

Stossel talked to a panel of parents, including one pre-school teacher who lambasted the proposed program as “a scam” and “a flagrant waste of money.”

Another angry mom said it was arrogant of the government to declare kids better off in pre-K than at home: “Parents are being told that we’re not capable of facilitating our child’s learning. And that’s bull****!”

Stossel told Good Morning America’s Chris Cuomo that he agreed with the parents: “It’s a waste of money and a government conceit that they can parent better than we can.” How many employees of ABC News do you think agree with that?

Given journalists’ pretense that their job is to be skeptical and confront those in power, it’s actually rather incredible how few reporters besides Stossel ever challenge the notion that big government creates solutions. More often, you get reporters challenging government to do even more to supposedly help solve problems, without ever acknowledging the consequences of ever-expanding government.

Here’s a transcript of the Good Morning America segment, that aired at about 8:07am on Friday:

ANCHOR CHRIS CUOMO: It’s been a big week here on ‘GMA’ for a lot of reasons, and it is time to tackle the big issues facing American democracy in the months ahead: How do we fix our schools? How do we get our economy back on track? I’m glad to say 20/20’s John Stossel has been thinking about these exact questions, and joins us now with a special report. Good to see you, John.
JOHN STOSSEL: Thank you, Chris. Did you go to preschool?
CUOMO: I did not. And that explains everything.
STOSSEL: I didn’t go to preschool, either. And when we were kids, few people did. But now, there’s a new movement for universal pre-K, for every child in America. They should have a chance to start school before kindergarten. Isn’t that a wonderful idea? Universal pre-K, was one of the President’s campaign promises.
BARACK OBAMA (2008): We need to enroll more children. And we need to start at an even earlier age.
STOSSEL: And 67% of Americans now favor universal pre-K, funded by the government. [Speaking to group of parents] It sounds so good.
NIA LEVY: “Of course, it sounds good. All they hear about is a little sweet pre-school program. And it’s for little children, and how can you say no to little children?

CLIP OF AD FOR PRE-K:

KID #1: Thank you
KID #2: For all children.
KID #3 For me.
KID #4 For me.

STOSSEL: Advocates run ads like this.

CLIP OF AD:

KID #5 Thank you to all advocates.
KID #6 Thank you.
KID #1 I love you.

LEVY: This whole thing, it’s a scam. It’s like some kind of a spin that they want everybody to believe.
STOSSEL: These parents hate the idea.
SECOND PARENT: Parents are being told that we’re not capable of facilitating our child’s learning. And that’s bull- [bleeped by network]
THIRD PARENT: There’s already lots of preschool programs in place.
STOSSEL: That’s true, and it’s argument one against government pre-K. Most American kids already attend pre-school. Parents pay for it themselves. If you can’t afford it, there are subsidies and free programs, like Head Start. But under universal pre-K, taxpayers would pay for every child.
NIA LEVY: It’s a flagrant waste of money. It’s as if I went shopping for myself because I needed a dress for a party, and I went and bought a dress for everybody else who was going to be at the party, whether they needed it or not. Who does that?
THIRD PARENT: Why are we going to let the system that’s already failed our children, educationally in this country, K through 12, why are we going to let them start with our 4-year-olds?
STOSSEL: Good question.Tuesday, even the President admitted-
PRESIDENT OBAMA: We let our grades slip, our schools crumble, our teacher quality fall short, and other nations outpace us.
LEVY: Government is providing K through 12 education. And unfortunately, we are in the toilet.
STOSSEL: That’s point two. Government-run education isn’t doing very well.
LEVY: To say that they are the ones to define what quality is laughable. [Clip of Levy with kids on playground] What are you having for lunch?
STOSSEL: Nia Levy’s not only a parent. She runs six preschools. [to Levy] I’m surprised you’re against this. You would make money on this. Free government money.
LEVY: I don’t want to have to answer to the government. Our programs are so far superior, that it isn’t even funny. Now, with the economy, being what it is, you’re telling me that we’re going to devote billions of dollars that we don’t have? It’s a waste of money.
CUOMO: A lot of passion there.
STOSSEL: I agree with her. It’s a waste of money and a government conceit that they can parent better than we can.
CUOMO: So, it comes down to how do you spend that money best, to help the kids, give them the best head start?
STOSSEL: Right.
CUOMO: Interesting. And obviously just one part of the special tonight. You can see all of John’s report, "Bailouts and Bull," on "20/20" tonight at 10:00 Eastern.

—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.


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Yet another ...

Yet another example that Big Brother (government) can do a better job of raising our kids. The more rules they implement to gain control over "We the People".

Most of us here know what is going on, the rest of the country had better wake up before it is too late. May God help us all.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

 

Dan

Many years ago when living in Western NC I fought a program that would have started children as young as 1 year old into the school system. I saw it as a chance to delevop a child the way they wanted them. NC has a program called More at Four along with another program called Smart Start. I can't see that it is helping at all. To me it is just a way for all these physiologoists to test their theories on how children learn. In other words use them as guniea pigs and screw them up for life. Most if this crap comes out of the Frank Porter Graham Child Development Inst at UNC

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. RWR

Wrong!

"SECOND PARENT: Parents are being told that we’re not capable of
facilitating our child’s learning. And that’s bull- [bleeped by network]"

No, parents are NOT being told that. That is the problem. 

Many of them are not only not capable, they are not even remotely interested.  Whether it is "the school's job", or "that's just our culture", a lot of children are showing up for kindergarten unprepared.

These children are enrolled in kindergarten loaded with only a third of the vocabulary, socializing, comprehension and other basic skills that the majority of children begin with.  This is a disaster brought on by adults who are "not capable of
facilitating our child’s learning".

It is proving to be impossible to bring the 'slow-starts' up to the level of reading skills necessary to pass third grade in the normal time allotted.  There is simply not enough time to overcome the basic, beginning learning skills deficiences

By having "Universal Pre-K", it is hoped that no one is singled out, not child OR parent, and that something can be done to get a lot of kids learning more, faster, and better.

Now, how you do that without forcing the kids who don't need it...

That's another question!

 

And of course, teaching them

And of course, teaching them to be good little socialists as early as possible!

~WRONG

No, parents are NOT being told that. That is the problem. 

Many of them are not only not capable, they are not even remotely interested.  Whether it is "the school's job", or "that's just our culture", a lot of children are showing up for kindergarten unprepared.

The only parents who are  not even remotely interested in their children's education are people who are only having them so they can get a welfare check! You just dissed every parent on this site!

My oldest knew the entire alphabet, upper and lowercase, before she turned three. She's about to turn four and she can write most letters of the aplhabet. She knows her numbers and can perform simple addition and subtraction. She can carry on a conversation with an adult and helps out around the house. And I know LOTS of children like her.

If you want to crap on lazy parents, find a site where they hang out.

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

I don't feel dissed.

No one on this site was singled out and the last sentence of the post pretty much says super moms such as yourself and your little precious don't need to be forced into pre-K.

Chill.

~Hmmmm

'Supermom'? 'Little precious'?

I said I know LOTS of children like her. As in she is not the exception. You want to get personal with me? My post didn't single you out, but you tell me to chill?

So tell us all..in your opinion who does need to be "forced into pre-K" ?

 

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

All of my kids...

Are already out of school, so I don't really have a strong opinion at this point.

Just wondering why you feel crapped on when it was plainly stated that the question is how to separate the kids who need it from the ones that don't.

 

 

~If government education worked

There would be no need for pre-K. Since they are obviously failing, why would the solution be to start the failure even earlier?

Added: I do find the fact that a regular poster on this site would advocate mandatory government pre-K surprising. The 'motivation' of my annoyed reaction is none of your business. Do you want me to ask you what emotion prompted you to refer to my child as 'little precious'?

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

Basically telling some one

Basically telling some one with whom you disagree to post somewhere else is a bit harsh.

That's the whole point of these comment threads. It shouldn't be an echo chamber.

An while I have issues with the public education system (namely social promotions) I wouldn't characterize it as a complete failure.

Seem to boil down to how motivated the kid and parents are.

 

~Read my post again

Basically telling some one with whom you disagree to post somewhere else is a bit harsh.

Read my post again.

If you want to crap on lazy parents, find a site where they hang out

Huh, doesn't sound like "don't post here if you don't agree". Seems to me I was pretty specific. "If you want to lecture people who don't care about their children's education go find them and do it" was my point. I'd wager dollars to donuts that his description doesn't fit any regulars here.

a bit harsh.

What, like sneeringly calling me 'supermom' and referring to my child as 'little precious'?

Seem to boil down to how motivated the kid and parents are

Doesn't everything boil down to motivation?

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

I didn't see it as lecturing.

Just pointing out that some kids go to kindergarten unprepared.

Again, the post wasn't crapping on anybody, just stating a problem.

 

 

 

~The whole system is a problem

Parents who don't care about their kids are a problem. And if parents don't care about their kids then NO AMOUNT of government intervention and programming is going to fix that.

The original purpose of 'kindergarten' was to prepare children for school. Now the government wants to say that children need to be 'prepared' to prepare?

And a poster on this site is going to advocate for more government intervention in children's (and therefore parent's) lives?! Read the other poster's responses to that idea.

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

I read the other

I read the other posts.

The only one who took it as a personal insult was you.

That's why I said chill.

"If you want to lecture people who don't care about their children's education go find them and do it" was my point. I'd wager dollars to donuts that his description doesn't fit any regulars here."

That still comes across as "no reason to post it here".

Well it's time to get Friday night going.

Have a good weekend.

~mvfreeman

You are dishonest. You tell me to 'chill' in the same post that you call my child 'little precious'. I notice you have neither justified, nor explained your sneering attitude.

I was annoyed with heldmyw's attitude towards parents and assumption that government is the answer. I explained my position fully and did not make any personal remarks about him, or you. You, on the other hand, took personal *offence as indicated by your personal remarks.

Chill.

*This is a problem with reading a lot. You sometimes use the archaic spelling of a word rather than the contemporary American English. Take notes, kids.

Hope and Change= Despair and Socialism

Scorecard

Chose: 1

mvmoonbat: 0

 

"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media."  -- Lowell Ponte

LOL

If you're scoring the number of cheerleaders you are correct.

Cheers!!

 

 

Whoa...wait a minute.

Your premise that the kids have to be able to show up to kindergarten with a headstart before they can be taught to read by third grade is flat-out wrong.

I'm fifty and I recall learning my ABC's in kindergarten with the rest of the class.  We did not show up with "the basics" of vocabulary, comprehension and socialization.  That was the point of kindergarten!  And we learned to read in the time alloted. 

I would argue that it's not the parents "not preparing" the kids for kindergarten, rather the school system not demanding enough of the kids and not failing the kid when he deserves to!  Yes, some parents fail to assist with their child's education, mine included.  But that's the way life works, you fail, you learn from it, or you flip burgers all your life.  It's not the government's job to seek to redress every ill perpetrated by anyone and everyone.

Get the government OUT of the way and things will improve, although not for everyone.  In the human condition, there will always be attrition, ALWAYS, regardless of how many government programs are set in place to prevent it.

I suppose that's the problem with Liberalism in general; it does not recognize that attrition (some will fail, some will fail to suceed, regardless of who is at fault) is a fact of life. 

By the way, both my boys learned to read, tell time, etc. by four years old as a result of their parents work, not a government program, and now they're both in honors classes.  I gave them the headstart, not the gub'mint. 

My 5 year old granddaughter

My 5 year old granddaughter started in kindergarten this year. By Christmas she was already reading some. That was because my daughter took the time to sit down and help her. On the other hand her brother is in the 3rd grade and still has trouble reading. My daughter also worked with him. I think this is a case of one applying themselves. Riley wants to read and Connor could care less.

Liberals don't want equal opportunites. They want to somehow have equal outcomes.

Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. RWR

Short Answer, See Longer Answer Down Thread

I was trying to be "First Comment" and got going.  You can see my extended comment farther down.

It is not impossible to bring "slow starts" up to speed.  A teacher who cannot do this is either lazy or incompetent or both.  I have taught school (home, public and private), so don't come at me with blah, blah, blah poor, poor teachers. I come from a family of educators, among other things.

I know folks who never had more than a third grade education and a broken home who have made a good life for themselves and have educated THEMSELVES to a higher level of competency than a lot of last years college grads!

It goes to show; people who are not interested in children should not have them. Granted that they do, teachers need to be competent enough to act as a check, when available.  Attrition in life and the Laws of Nature need to be allowed to occur.  They do, you know?  No matter how much the bleeding hearts want us to, we cannot support the unsupportable forever. The survivors will survive, period.

We are supposed to fund the failings of parents who don't do the job and punish parents who do the job because it is hard for teachers to deal with problem students.  Where's my check for all the damage incompetent teachers have done?  Where's my check for filling in the gaps teachers have failed to fill?  I don't need no stinkin' check to do my duty to my or other's children. I home-school, do I get a proerty tax refund? Nope.  My income tax and other taxes go to fundingpublic education; do I get a refund when a school fails to achieve BASIC LITERACY!!!!!  H*LL NO!!!!!

This is turning into a long answer.  Sorry about that.  But since I screwed that up, I may as well continue...

Here is a short answer: they can have my children, my weapons, my wealth when the pry it from my cold dead fingers.

Nay!, F*ck that.  They can NEVER have my children!  My people have always been Free and will forever remain that way!

 

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

Socialist are incapable of teaching kids? No kidding!

It is no wonder socialists are complaining they are unable to teach kids who have not been indoctrinated by the state. Maybe we should give the parents school choice so the private sector can properly educated our kids. I wonder how "impossible" they would find the task.

Stupid in America (Video) (40min) (John Stossel, 20/20)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

"These children are

"These children are enrolled in kindergarten loaded with only a third of the vocabulary, socializing, comprehension and other basic skills that the majority of children begin with. This is a disaster brought on by adults who are "not capable of
facilitating our child’s learning".

So, what do you do when these same children arrive in pre-k with only a third of the basic skills their classmates have? Start teaching them in the womb? 

Oh, wait...never mind...you folks have other ideas of what should be done to children in the womb.

Wha... Where.... HUH?

I am going to need some stats to back up these contentions.

 These children are enrolled in kindergarten loaded with only a third of the vocabulary, socializing, comprehension and other basic skills that the majority of children begin with.

 Now, I don't have any kids, nor am I around a lot of kids.* All I have are the distant memories of my own kindergarten. If I recall, about the only skills I actually showed up with was the ability to wipe my own nose and not pee in my pants.

 The entire point of kindergarten is to give children the basic skills you mentioned.

Kindergarten is a form of education for young children which serves as a transition from home to the commencement of more formal schooling. Children are taught to develop basic skills through creative play and social interaction. - wikipedia

to provide an educational situation less formal than that of the elementary school but one in which children's creative play instincts would be organized constructively. Through the use of songs, stories, games, simple manual materials, and group activities for which the furnishings of a kindergarten are adapted, children develop habits of cooperation and application, and the transition from home to school is thought to be made less formidable. - Columbia Enclyclopedia

Kindergartens generally stress the social and emotional growth of the child, encouraging self-understanding through play activities and creative expression. - Britannica

 How in heavens name do you show up for kindergarten unprepared? The entire point, are you listening? The entire point of kindergarten is to get children prepared to attend an ACTUAL learning environment. Did you catch that word there? PREPARED. How in the name of THOR GOD OF THUNDER do you get prepared to be prepared to get prepared? OH GOD I AM GETTING A HEADACHE.

 Universal Pre-K is just another word for free day care. What child will get prepared to enter kindergarten and then be prepared for schooling?

It is proving to be impossible to bring the 'slow-starts' up to the level of reading skills necessary to pass third grade in the normal time allotted.

 Yea. That sounds like a personal problem. You got a slow-start. They got special classes for them so they DON'T SLOW DOWN THE NORMAL KIDS.

 What you are describing is another form of socialism. We all have to learn at a slow pace because Jimmy got hit in the head with a rock when he was 2. Separate the slow ones off and let the normal kids learn at a normal pace.

 Oh I give up. No one will read this anyway. I am slow when it comes to getting in posts.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

* I am surrounded by liberals who are childlike in their thinking.

I read it

And share your frustration.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

~I am in Luuuuuuv

With JWF.

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

Stats? Google...

"Benefits of Pre-K"

Here is an excerpt of a summary of benefits of Pre-K:

http://www.preknow.o...

 The Benefits of High-Quality Pre-K

Pre-k
benefits children, their families, and their communities. From improved
academic outcomes to the economic savings to schools and states, the
benefits of high-quality pre-k are irrefutable.

Successful Students

  • Pre-k increases high school graduation rates.
    • Chicago
      children who attended a pre-k program were 29 percent more likely to
      graduate from high school than their peers who did not have pre-k.
      (Source: Chicago Longitudinal Study)
  • Pre-k helps children do better on standardized tests.
    • Michigan fourth graders who had attended pre-k passed the state's
      literacy and math assessment tests at higher rates than their peers who
      had no pre-k. (Source: "State Efforts to Evaluate the Effects of
      Pre-Kindergarten", Yale University Child Study Center)
  • Pre-k reduces grade repetition.
    • Maryland fifth graders who attended pre-k were 44 percent less likely
      to have repeated a grade than their peers who did not attend pre-k.
      (Source: "State Efforts to Evaluate the Effects of Pre-Kindergarten",
      Yale University Child Study Center)
  • Pre-k reduces the number of children placed in special education.
    • Among Chicago children, those who attended pre-k were 41 percent less
      likely to require special education services than their peers who did
      not attend. (Source: Chicago Longitudinal Study)

Responsible Adults

  • Pre-k reduces crime and delinquency.

(MUCH MORE)

I submit

that a parent is the best source for High Quality Pre-K education.

~Those pre-K programs

Are overwhelmingly PRIVATE. Which means they need a high-quality, competitive product to draw paying parents.
The underlying factor which you have not addressed is that since pre-K is VOLUNTARY the children attending are CLEARLY the offspring of parents who CARE about and want the best for their children. And those parents are going to raise them in such a fashion that they are bound to have a better start in life than otherwise.
Pre-K doesn't decrease the chances of becoming a criminal, having loving, caring parents does.
Seriously, are you a government teacher or something?

Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism

You won me over. I now advocate Pre-K too! Oh wait...

  There are 2 problems with these kinds of studies. They are not like scientific studies that prove the beuninium atom spins on a 90 degree axis when the temperature is 46 degrees Fahrenheit. That can be reproduced by other scientific peers.

  1. There are too many variables. There are all kinds of things that can skew the results - affluence of the parents, the childrens aptitude, involvement of the parents, cultural factors, peer pressure of the children, & the effectiness of the Pre-K & primary & secondary shools & teachers.

 2. Here is the question - And...? What are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to change the law based upon a few studies? Because here is a few other laws we can change based upon a better outcome for all participants.

  A. Studies indicate that firemen that pee standing up have better hose control abilities.

  B. A national highway speed of 25MPH would reduce the death rate of crashes 87%.

  C. Children of divorced parents have a higher graduation percentage of 34%. Are we to abolish the divorce laws?

  D. Children of white parents graduate high school 32.17% more than childen of black parents. Are we to now advocate removing children from black parents and giving them to white parents?

  E. 98% of drug addicts drank milk as a child. Should we stop feeding milk to our childen?

  F. A wall on the Southern border of the U.S that would be 40 feet high and 20 foot thick with agents manned every 120 feet would stop 99.4566% of illegal immigrants from Mexico. It would also be insanely expensive. 

  G. Exporting all homeless people to the Galapagos Islands would reduce the incidence of panhandling 86%.

  H. Allowing military veterans to have supervotes at the rate of 10 to 1 normal votes of nonveterans would dramatically reduce the chance of elecing marxist Presidents.*

  I. Immediately converting all electriciy production to solar power would reduce American oil imports by 93.67%. However, the U.S would effectively shut down at dusk and be completely blacked out until dawn.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

* I personally like this one.

Me Too

I kind of like that one, too.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

Sorry, don't mean to nitpick here or nuthin, well ok I do...

  With all due respect, I said "show me teh stats" You gave me a summary & studies.

  I know I cannot demand people do something on this page and I get annoyed when people do make demands but you made this statement.

 These children are enrolled in kindergarten loaded with only a third of the vocabulary, socializing, comprehension and other basic skills that the majority of children begin with.

  I asked for quantifiable results showing how children in Kindergarten have a third of the vocabulary, socializing, comprehension and other basic skills when they have not participated in Pre-K. Preferably a national set of results rather than some regional one.

 You gave me High school graduation results, fourth grader literacy, fifth grader grade repeat rates, & an uspecified grade level of children having to attend special education classes.

  You talked past me sir. Not very fair at all.

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

JWF

  I very clearly remember over 40 years ago being in the car with my mother and her telling me that soon the government wouldn't be happy with having the children at 5 years old because they would need them earlier for the brainwashing to be effective (she is the one who taught me how to keep my tinfoil hat on straight)  Lookey lookey who was right all along.

This hasn't anything to do with a "quality education" and we all know it.  The troll here obviously got a very good early education.

I looked at some of his previous posts.

  I would not be quick to call him a troll just yet. Misguided would be a better fit.

  This is one of those issues that, yea, it looks good on paper, but you are making far too many demands on the majority just to help out a few.

  It is another example of "feel good" liberalism without examining what the results would be.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

On High Quality Pre-K

In five generations, ALL of my family (including extended) have graduated not only from high school, but also college with at least a Bachelor's Degree.  Not one person in my family has had to repeat a grade (we sometimes skip a few!) In the era of standardized testing, we have consistenly score above the 90% percentile (or higher).  Not one person in my family is or was a felon.

We all pay for our OWN college, through scholarships and WORK!  The parents do not pick up the tab.  We all know how to work so the government doesn't have to support us.  We pay our own bills, save for our own down-paymentsand live our own lives.  We do however share a common set of traditions and pride in ourselves, our Nation and our Divine! We care for our own children, our own handicapped, our own aged, on our own.

I can go back more generations, but the system was so different then..

High-Quality Pre-K is absolutely essential.  That is why WE PROVIDE OUR OWN!!!  That's right, the parents in our family carry the water for the children.  Works good for us. Always has, always will.

The children are our responsibility, not the government's.  It is up to us to see that they are prepared for life.  I do not accept the arguement that parents do not have time to do this.  Most of us in our family have large families. Sometimes (rarely, as we think that kids need a parent around) both parents work.  They find a way to cover each other.  We also involve multiple generations when possible.  We balance material wealth with spiritual and intellectual wealth.

If a person has a different way of getting their kids proper care and education, then so be it.  But do not mandate that mine do the same; they don't need it and we won't have it!

People who do not have the time for children should not have them.  If you are going to have children, then take the time to raise them, yourself.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

Obama Youth start young

All part of the early indoctrination program.

Obama has their brown shirts and arm bands being made now.

Indoctrinating children?

 I was in Target earlier today and actually spotted a book about Obama in the children's book section.  I thought I was going to puke right there in the middle of the store...

Save me...save me from tomorrow.  I don't want to sail with this ship of fools.

~World Party

Stossel is the man

Stossel's game is tight, I dig the guy. For another of my favorites, check the dude just takin' it to graphic design:

 

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So Held, the ...

So Held, the parents are responsible for the child not having the skills to handle kindergarten and that government can solve the problem. Haven't you learned yet that government is the problem.

By continuing along with their tax policies of raising taxes, it depletes the earnings of the parents and forces both of them to find employment.

The whole point to socialism is to make the citizen completely reliant on the government of everything, from the time the citizen is born until the time they die.

I don't need any government telling me that my child needs their upbringing. I will raise my children how I see fit, not as they see fit.

  

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Also remember folks, that the way to SUPPORT THE TROOPS is to support their mission. Anyone who says that they support the troops but don't support their mission is lying about supporting the troops. And if you want to know, yes I do have a dog in the fight, he is a United States Marine.

 

Hitler Youths

Two words: Hitler Youths.

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Unless you're a fetus.
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Communist Doctrine

The act of getting more government control into our children's lives is a long held goal of the leftists.

In the Soviet Union (back in the day), as is true in most Communist and Socialist nations these days, the young are gotten to early.  In the USSR, children went to "day school" starting at 13 months, 12 hours a day, year long.  This created the leftist's desire to eliminate one more competitor for "loyalty of thought." This is the same thing that they have accomplished in Communist nations through replacing Divine Faith with "state worship."

The children were taught to hold the "state" highest, to thank the "state" and believe in the "state" for all things.  These were the same schools that Stalin ordered taught that the Soviets (specifically him) had invented the light bulb, the tractor, etc.  The indoctrination must start early to have the greatest effect.  The desire of the leftist is to see a 100% unopposed election of a dictator, as in N. Korea.  Or the president for life as in Venezuela.

Do you think that this isn't or hasn't already happened in this country?  I know kids that came home to their folks saying, "You are going to vote for Obama, right?"  I hired a college student, born and raised in Boston, MA, who had NO FRIGGIN' CLUE WHO WE FOUGHT IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION!!!!  He was from BOSTON!!!  Tea Party, anyone? 

My mother, an old-school type educator (pushed the three "r's") was told that is was "impossible" to expect children to be able to read before 5th grade.  I know children in elementary school that can spout ideas all day on AGW, rainforests,"diversity" (HA!) and yet cannot find their own state on a map.

There are some here that will bah, blah, blah at me about education being fair and balanced.  I have had leftists insist public education is "conservative," despite heavy evidence to the contrary,  a lot of which I have seen or experienced with my own eyes.  Most of the women in my family are professional educators.  All of them have been harassd for being "conservatives" or Republicans.  Some of them have retired or moved out of education to pursue jobs in related fields.

These are not lightweights who got into teaching with a B.A in gobledygook and wanted summers off.  These are people who had additional degrees in nursing, mathematics, business and have been far more successful (financially) OUT of education. A very competent female friend tried to be a "conservative and Republican" in the modern public schools and ran into constant harrassment.  She is now a Neo-Natal Nurse. No dummy she!

When I was in High School (awhile ago, but not that long, darn it you young whippersnappers. And please accept the apology of a whippersnapper to you old fogies and curmdgens out there), I had a teacher, who the first day of class, lined us up outside his door and questioned each of us if we were a "peacenik" or a "warmonger".  "Warmongers" were asked to sit facing the back wall and "peaceniks" were ordered not to share assignments with the "warmongers".  I tried to answer the question when presented  by saying that it depended on the situation; I would live in peace given a chance, but wage war when necessary.  This was not an acceptable answer.  Within a week, all students but one would answer the question "peacenik". 

Yes, I objected, my parents objected and so forth.  In the end, I was allowed to take the tests for the course under the supervision of the teacher and a three person panel.  Note of Personal Pride:  I aced both semester finals and the course final, the first, last and only student to do this in his course. he looked for ways around that, but in the end, I held out and won through.  Would I have had the strength to do this without the strength given to me by my family and tradition?  How easily would I have given in had the "state" raised me? He continued to do this and other "social engineering" until he retired a couple years ago.

Time and time again, we are faced with this.  Teachers indoctrinating, not teaching.  It is no surprise that the current administration will push for more opportunities to program the children. Remember, the leftist have and continue to always push for us to do "what the man with the gun tells us." The blind following of authority (as long as the leftists are the authority) is the desired outcome.

When my father was a kid, there was no mandatory Kindergarten.  Somehow he managed to go on to serve his country with distinction, pay his own way (prior to service, without parental assistance) to degrees in law and engineering, despite not being programmed by the government and without taking other people's money!

My grandfather went to a two room Mizzourah school, studied five different languages there (including proper English) mathematics, sciences.  They did this sharing books and with slates and a minimum of paper.  He went on to graduate from college with a degree in Chemical Engineering. He did all of this during the Depression, a "poor" farm-boy who had to run the place after his Papa died, a "poor" kid did this on his OWN, a kid who didn't wear shoes when it was warm to save money for his Mother and younger siblings. They survived without the New Deal.  They were not rich, just stubborn. They had the True Wealth; agile mind, strong heart and deep faith in themselves, their Nation and their Divine.

We have been and are under systematic attack from within and without.  All the years of "compromise" and "security" and sloth are coming home to roost.  The leftist are getting what they have always worked for; corruption of the minds and hearts for the people of a great nation.  They will maintain elite institutions for themselves while relegating the masses, even and especially their supporters to slavery.

What is a surprise is that there is any media notice of this.  It will also be surprising to see how long Mr. Stossel stays out of the "Gulag" once the thought police get up to speed.

I do not think that Obama is an idiot.  I do not think he is incompetent.  I think he and the leftists know what they want and they think this is the time to get it.  Will there be Free Elections after 2012?  That would be up to us.  Time to get tough, Americans.

"A university can consist merely of a teacher at one end of a bench, a student at the other."  Remember that we as individuals, regardless of what the government does or does not do, can attain for ourselves the Freedom we desire.  The government does not makes us; we make the government.

Educate your children.  Make them strong.  Don't forget, and don't let your children forget what it is to be an American.  Remember the Three Boxes of Political Change and keep your powder dry.

"You can have Peace or you can have Freedom; just don't count on having both at the same time." - R.A.H

 "I'll take the harsh reality of liberty over the illusion of security...everytime!"

it IS bs!

None of my children went to Pre-K either.  They are all consistent Straight-A  or A/B students - in honors classes no less.  (So, I guess that 'explains everything') They went into Kindergarten knowing darn near everything they needed to know for first grade.   This is a complete WASTE of taxpayer money. 

Most (61%) children 0-6 years old spend time in daycare and its trending upward.  So we want to transfer the burden of childcare cost for one year of that care to the taxpayer.  And more frighteningly, to people who will probably screw it up.  At least private entities have the motive of keeping their business to offer the best care.  I would also think you'd have more say about what you want introduced to your child during that time.  I have never had my children in daycare so I can't speak to the specifics on this one.

This is just another step to the 'cradle to grave' nanny state that liberals would like to entrench into our system as fast as possible.

Universal pre-K helps unions not kids

Universal pre-K is being pushed for two reasons.  The first is plainly obvious as a payback to unions.  The second is to begin liberal indocrination at such an early age before kids have the opportunity to develop opinions of their own. 

Stossel?

Oh Lord is that some John Stossel on my tv? I am now interested.

I tested out of K...

...and went straight to L

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Normally I don't root for the disease. But in your case I am willing to make and exception.

Obama's Lebensborn Program

It won't be long until Obama announces his American Lebensborn program. It will work in conjunction with his National Service program.

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Unless you're a fetus.
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I was going to comment on

I was going to comment on the public school system, but I'm a elitist democrat who sends his children to very elite private schools where they are both at the top of their classes.

gb... If they are at the

gb...

If they are at the top of the class good for them...you must have adopted them.

EDUCARE/Ayers/Klonsky/CAC/POTUS

In 1988 these three were, getting Klonsky's(former chair of the CommunistMao party) Small Schools Workshops funded through CAC(Annenberg). When POTUS was working as chair of CAC, much money was funneled to the organization which I feel is the seed for Educare, that just got 2 million of the stimulus for a site in Waterville, Maine(pop15000).

Have you ever wondered why cows gather in herds? They are taken from their moms very early and this is what Educare will produce, herds of dumb, listless indoctrinated kids that will be able to stampede on request. There is nothing I have been able to do to stop this as the $$$$ from Buffet, Gates & our own Alfonds is steamrolling this along with the Governor's wife.  

If you home-school your child, or send him/her to a...

...non-government school, then the government can't get their hooks in them until they are at least 18.

Until, of course, the government manages to outlaw home-schooling and private education, I mean.

And don't think there aren't plenty of government operatives who wish to do just that, too.

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-Dave

This coup has gone on long enough. The time to put it down is NOW.

Dave, they will outlaw home-schooling when they see that...

Dave, they will outlaw home-schooling when they see that their indoctrination isn't moving fast enough to suit them. There are many Marian Wright Edelman's in their movement and they consider this to be their time.

Thanks from Indiana

Thanks 20/20, for showing that our government in Indiana is finally being ran like it should. We now have one of the most fiscal states in the union. The only thing we're behind in is unemployment money, but what state isn't right now? Our governor brought in much needed money at just the perfect time when he leased our toll road. And what they failed to mention was that if you get the electronic tolling option, your still paying the same tolls as 10 years ago! I paid $10 for my toll box. All $10 went into my account. As long as you pay through automatic withdrawal from a checking account, there is no fee. They calculate how much to recharge your account with, by looking at past usage. I have not had one bit of problems with billing. Our boxes work in other states too, and especially the high priced toll roads in Chicago, where one 3 mile stretch of I-94 costs $3.

When Evan Bayh was our governor, he took a large surplus and turned it into a large debt.

it takes a village,,,it takes a village...it takes a village...

...now say wouldn't that make a good title for a book?

...oops...already been done...thanks Hillary!

v

btw: anyone ever calculated the carbon footprint of all the school buses in the U.S.?

Government Can't See Individuals

It was probably Rush, but it might have been Stossel, that said - government can't see individuals. (Or maybe Mark Levin.)

But the private sector can. That is why the private sector is the solution.

Not every kid needs Pre-K, just the ones whose parents use TV to babysit their kids all day.

If government wants parents to put their kids in an school environment, then lower taxes so we have the money to pay for it ourselves. Or at least we'll have enough money for the premium channels.

Schools are designed to provide the same mediocre education for everyone. They can't tailor their programs for individuals.

Just like everyone gets the same SS check, the same Medicare payment, etc.

Got to run. You all can expand on these thoughts.

John Stossel is such a

John Stossel is such a pompous bore.  His whole shtick is to do stories that go against conventional wisdom...and do it with a very smug attitude on top of it.  He's the radio talk show type personality...he can take any position and defend it.

Not saying that I always disagree with him, but I just can't stand the guy.

On Hannity last night he wouldn't comment on a couple of things because he 'hadn't reported on them yet'.  What?  Then don't do talk shows, a$$hat.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

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I took it differently.

If he hasn't reported on it, he may not have investigated it.

He's pointing out the very reason Susan Sarandon shouldn't pontificate about global warming. 

Obama is succeeding and it hurts

Yeah, I see your

Yeah, I see your point.

However, I think John Stossel is well-informed enough to provide an educated opinion on a talk show segment.  If all these guys went on these news show panels and hadn't written a book or a report on a subject, there would be only crickets chirping on the set...LOL.

True, the other side of the coin is to go off about something that one has not researched, really knows little about, etc. but accept it as Gospel because it fits their ideology and pre-conceived notions.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

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If Stossel has reported on a subject, you can bet he'll talk about it.  Notice he was ready to jump in on drug legalization last night?  It's something he's analyzed and feels comfortable debating.

Would that Al Gore would do some actual research on his own pet project. 

Obama is succeeding and it hurts