Okay, it’s probably a small thing to quibble about, but does everybody remember the impressive county-by-county election map that the New York Times published after the 2004 election, showing the United States as a sea of Republican red, with a few Democratic blue counties clustered on the coasts and a few urban pockets?
Well, today’s New York Times has a large map of the U.S. showing county-by-county election results as a sea of Democratic blue, with red areas limited to a few southern states, Arizona and Alaska. It looks like a Democratic landslide.
But Barack Obama did not actually win states like Utah, Montana, Idaho, North and South Dakota, Nebraska, South Carolina, etc., that this map shows as mostly or totally blue. What the New York Times published this year is a map showing the shift in a county’s vote from 2004, not the results. So if a Republican county voted for Bush by 12 points in 2004, but only gave McCain a seven-point advantage this year, the Times paints it as blue, not red.
The big blue map consumes the entire top half of the front page of the Times special election section of today’s paper. On pages P10 and P11, the Times has several more maps illustrating the election results, including a small county-by-county map that shows that, just like in 2004, most of the land mass of the U.S. is in “red” counties.
The Washington Post has a county-by-county results map that looks a lot like the map from 2004, although there is clearly a little more blue this year and the red is a little lighter.
There’s no disputing that Obama won on Tuesday, but the big blue map published by New York Times seems like a way to overstate the magnitude of the Democratic victory — maybe just to give liberals a nice blue souvenir to hang on their office cubicles, or maybe a subliminal way of pushing the idea of a huge mandate for liberal government.
—Rich Noyes is Research Director at the Media Research Center.
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Just another "fake but
November 6, 2008 - 12:31 ET by motherbeltJust another "fake but accurate" news story.
It is not even accurate.
November 6, 2008 - 16:26 ET by kgIt is not even accurate. There is no way half of the population lives in the tiny red areas.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
please note - the top map does not denote votes
November 6, 2008 - 18:12 ET by mom_roxThe NY Times map notes the 'voting shifts' by county. Dark blue/light blue denotes a county which went more Democratic than in 2004; likewise the dark red/light red denotes a county which voted more Republican than in 2004.
The Axis of Taxes: Obama, Pelosi and Reid (source unknown)
It certainly gave Matthews a
November 6, 2008 - 21:19 ET by bpjamIt certainly gave Matthews a woody....
"but the big blue map
November 6, 2008 - 12:36 ET by Conservative in the Arts"but the big blue map published by New York Times seems like a way to overstate the magnitude of the Democratic victory "
No, it's not an overstament, it's a lie!
Call a spade a spade
Hey! 0bama won! The
November 6, 2008 - 12:46 ET by HockeyKidHey! 0bama won! The word "spade" is no longer allowed.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
i think you're either racist
November 6, 2008 - 16:19 ET by kpci think you're either racist or less than authentic. i'll go with FAKE
Rich. Are we sure that the map [blue] is not representative of..
November 6, 2008 - 12:48 ET by Gary HallRich. Are we sure that the map [blue] is not simply more representative of.. the population, which upon hearing that Obama won, turned blue because they couldn't breathe?
(;~> gary
Here is the real one ...
November 6, 2008 - 13:01 ET by vrwc13...from USA Today, who "invented" it.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/results.htm
And this one is "interactive"...pretty cool.
v
Regardless of who sits in the Whitehouse, I know who still sits on His throne in heaven
vrwc, thanks for the link
November 6, 2008 - 18:29 ET by mom_roxNeither the USA Today or the NYT map shows the results for Alaska, even for prior years.
I'm also surprised that New Hampshire went completely blue.
The Axis of Taxes: Obama, Pelosi and Reid (source unknown)
The NH win is due to all the
November 6, 2008 - 21:06 ET by Cape ConservativeMassachusetts residents moving up there away from the taxes but failing to leave behind their liberal leanings!
reply vrwc
November 6, 2008 - 23:16 ET by JudithRead please: Alaska does not tally by county.
true
November 7, 2008 - 01:11 ET by mom_roxTrue (because there are no counties), but I would have thought for completeness, they could show the entire state and just note with an asterisk that the results are statewide and not by borough.
The Axis of Taxes: Obama, Pelosi and Reid (source unknown)
Looks like a good map to
November 6, 2008 - 13:07 ET by SemperrightLooks like a good map to plan a carpet bombing expedition.
Semper Fi
"The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who, in time
of moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Looks like a good map to...
November 6, 2008 - 13:08 ET by vrwc13...line the bird cage with!
v
Nice...keep that talk up.
November 6, 2008 - 16:09 ET by NCguyNice...keep that talk up. Thanks to the neocons, you're phone calls, emails and forum post just may make national fodder.
This is a great example of what's wrong with our party. People like you love america...you just hate half the people who live there.
you again?
November 6, 2008 - 21:07 ET by Cape Conservativego back to the Daily Kos of HuffPo - I promise I'll stay away from them if you will just take your toys and go back home...NOW!
What?
November 6, 2008 - 21:47 ET by UnsaneNeocons? So not only are you merely content with being a racist bigot, but you are an anti-Semite as well?
And what's this "our party", Leftist? What? Too ashamed to admit, like so many others, that you are a whacked out Leftist?
Pinch and family...
November 6, 2008 - 14:03 ET by JPR1have been using a lot of red ink at corporate.
The graphics people are just doing the best they can to manage costs.
Pinch
November 6, 2008 - 16:03 ET by NorthCoasterPinch et. al. are conserving their red ink for the bottom line.
Once again the crappy
November 6, 2008 - 14:12 ET by Ole_Sarge"winner take all" of the electoral college votes is screwing everyone NOT living in a heavily "urban" setting with a "voting machine" in place.
I live in a DEM state, but once again the MAJORITY of the counties were REP but two urban areas trump EVERYTHING!!!!
God forbid everyone's vote
November 6, 2008 - 15:29 ET by NCguyGod forbid everyone's vote count equally. How bad to you long for the original intent of the constitution with that whole 2/3rds vote thing?
2/3rds? What nation's
November 7, 2008 - 00:30 ET by GregE2/3rds? What nation's Constitution are you referring to?
I thought this site was about fighting bias...
November 6, 2008 - 16:01 ET by kj.444Actually Obama won the popular vote quite handedly as well, so even if the election wasn't decided by the electoral college system he would have won.
Regardless of which candidate you support, you have to acknowledge that Nevada, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Ohio, etc., are not part of the "two urban areas" you mentioned. Obama won because he didn't need to rely solely on the Northeast and the West, but picked up states that went for Bush in 2004 and are typically more rural working class areas.
More importantly, this map wasn't about the way the country voted, but how he votes changed since the 2004 presidential election (ie. counties that went for Bush or Kerry in 2004, compared to those who went for Obama or McCain in 2008). Lots of counties went further left since then, which is what this map is actually portraying.
Just sayin...
The accurate
November 6, 2008 - 16:05 ET by NorthCoasterway to portray your point is to print the county by county map on the front page with discussion of the changes and a map in the body of the article. As it is it is just Propaganda.
Sarge's point is spot-on
November 6, 2008 - 17:08 ET by BlondeAnd it applies to Florida as well.
Here is a map of Florida's county-by-county election results. Only one out of five counties (including the big metropolitan five) went for Obama, yet he carried the entire state.
However, the electoral college is winner take all, and rightly so. Look at what a mess the democratic nomination was with apportioned delegates. Apportioning electoral votes would more than likely end up with the same results.
When the polls closed in
November 6, 2008 - 21:50 ET by general companyWhen the polls closed in the panhandle and the vote count was still for Obama, this is when I knew we would not win. We in La we have sent 1 more Repub to DC. Although we just could not unseat Landrieu.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
The NYT...Why let the facts get in the way???
November 6, 2008 - 14:26 ET by PrairieSkyThis map is a load of garbage. Folks, I live in North Dakota, and this state went very red for McCain, as did our neighboring states of Montana, South Dakota, Wyoming, and the rest of the plains states, all the way down to and including Texas. Several other states in the west went for McCain also, as did Alaska, as well as the south with the unfortunate exceptions of Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida,
Do the twits at the NYT really think the American people are so stupid as to believe this map? The election was just 2 days ago, and I think most people are aware of how, at least, their state voted.
Who reads this rag, anyway?
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
Who reads the New York(Pravda) Times?
November 6, 2008 - 15:19 ET by ArchStantonPeople that you would never expect: your neighbor, your kids, your parents, your significant other. Be vigilant. Never give quarter. Suspicion breeds confidence.
Well, ArchStanton, I am certain...
November 6, 2008 - 15:28 ET by PrairieSkythat no one that I know reads the NYT...I know this because many of us talk about what garbage the Times has become. Are there plenty of others out there who do read this fish wrapper? Yes. But after a quick look at the Times' steadily declining circulation numbers over the recent years, I think it's fair to say that the Times is in deep trouble.
With a 'story' like this one, they are really circling the drain.
"...peace is the highest aspiration of the American People. We will negotiate for it, sacrifice for it, we will never surrender for it, now or ever." President Ronald Reagan~ January 20, 1981
Well, maybe we'll be seeing
November 6, 2008 - 14:44 ET by suzycreamcheeseWell, maybe we'll be seeing less of those annoying "blue dot in a red state" bumperstickers.
2000K Flush
November 6, 2008 - 15:07 ET by tegajayThe map is representative of Ty-D-Bowl Blue b/c America just flushed its entire future down the toliet.
Wow, when it leans your
November 6, 2008 - 15:27 ET by NCguyWow, when it leans your way, it's an honest assesment. When it leans for the other guy...Oh my god the liberal bias!!!!!
From a center right position...you guys are pretty comical. I've said it before, you guys need to break off and from a new "neo-christian party". Leave the GOP for the rest of us.
It'll feel good to stop living the lie of who you are. Come out of the...book and be who you were born to be.
NCguy
November 6, 2008 - 15:52 ET by DmgIncI got an idea, why don't you take you "center right" position, (which I'm sure is actually center left if you were honest with the people here as well as yourself), and break off and form a "progressive center party" and leave the GOP to the "Conservatives" wether they be Christian or not....
"From a center right position"
November 6, 2008 - 15:53 ET by BlondeBawahahahhah.
You must be center right of Bill Ayers, eh? Dude, go register democrat and be done with it. We don't need republicans like you. I've read your posts.
It's not YOUR party...it's
November 6, 2008 - 16:02 ET by NCguyIt's not YOUR party...it's mine. We were here first. You leave!!!!
If i'm center right of Bill Ayers, does that mean you are center left of Hitler?
You lose, Buckwheat
November 6, 2008 - 16:59 ET by BlondeThe Hitler name-calling is an automatic you-lose-the-argument.
And yeah, it is my party.
And I repeat, I've seen your leftist posts.
<edit> Oh man, my "buckwheat" comment is now going to bring down a rain of "racist" from the NC troll.....LOL. Those of you who have been here a while know the origins of my saying.
reply to Blonde's Buckwheat
November 6, 2008 - 23:26 ET by JudithYes and mucho clever it is.
NCdumbassguy, Hitler was a L E F T I S T.
November 6, 2008 - 23:34 ET by R D HelmExactly which part of National S O C I A L I S T German Workers Party did you miss?
-Dave
Resist the Obamafuhrer.
Hitler was a fascist. far
November 7, 2008 - 01:54 ET by NCguyHitler was a fascist. far right
Communsim equals Facsism
November 7, 2008 - 02:31 ET by Carl KolchakContrary to what college professors may teach, Communism equals facsism. Communism and facism have equal similarities.
Both control the media and propaganda and don't allow dissenting points of view.
Both have secret police organizations to monitor their citizens.
Both build up their military. Both demonize their enemies and preach hatred.
Heinrich Himmler equals Lavrenty Beria.
The Gestapo equals the NKVD or the Stasi.
The Hitler Youth equals the Young Pioneers.
Prior to Operation Barbarossa being launched, the Nazis and the Soviets had the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact which allowed each of the other governments to do what they pleased with Europe.
Stalin was also very anti-semetic like Hitler. Jews were persecuted in the Soviet Union.
http://english.ohmyn...
Agreed that the end result
November 7, 2008 - 09:36 ET by NCguyAgreed that the end result seems to resonate in similar ways. However there are key differences.
Communism, the fruits of labor is spread equally amonst those who can and those who can not. All are said to be equal. In practice, however, they do rely a bit on the same suppresion as any extreme form of leadership.
Facism, emphases an aggressive nationalism and often racism. while relying on a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc
Neocon Right Wing Rebulicans rely on the same ideals as facism. Like Hitler's Nazi party religion is used as a justifier.
"Neocon Right Wing
November 7, 2008 - 19:25 ET by Carl Kolchak"Neocon Right Wing Rebulicans rely on the same ideals as facism. Like Hitler's Nazi party religion is used as a justifier. "
You can find examples of religous extremism, but left wing atheist Democrats rely on the same ideals as Communism. Like East Germany's Communist State, atheists worship of the State is used as a justifier.
The East Germans relied on the Young Pioneers to shape their young children, and the Jugend Wiehe was an atheist confirmation similar to Protestant confirmation. The State pressured the youth to have the Jugend Wiehe done, so the youth would choose the State over the Church.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/jweihe.htm
Here is a good article from "Time" in regards to the Young Pioneers in East Germany.
From the link.
"One of the most terrifying achievements of the Nazi regime was its relentless capture and corruption of German youth. In Eastern Germany, the Communists have proved themselves as good as the Nazis at that deadly game"
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,888798,00.html
East Germany relied on major propaganda just like the Nazis relied on constant propaganda. Checkout this propaganda coming from East Germany when their citizens started to leave. It is very humorous.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/coup.htm
And then while all the youth in the Young Pioneers and Jugend Wiehe are preaching peace and allegience to the Soviet Union, the East German Stasi wasn't acting so peaceful.
http://books.google.com/books?id=QFGG5S2qGHYC&dq=Stasi&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0
From the above link.
"Koehler methodically reviews the Stasi’s activities within East Germany and overseas, including its programs for internal repression, international espionage, terrorism and terrorist training, art theft, and special operations in Latin America and Africa."
And that is the great lie of
November 7, 2008 - 02:43 ET by Conservative VoiceAnd that is the great lie of the century to equate the right with fascists.
reply to WOW
November 6, 2008 - 23:24 ET by JudithGo f*** a duck, trollie.
Skew the information
November 6, 2008 - 15:28 ET by NorthCoasterby presenting a map that resembles the 2004 with the fine print stating that it is a map of the difference between the the 2008 and the 2004 vote for President. VISUAL PROPAGANDA to promote the Obama Nation and Democratic mandate for "Change".
Just a continuation of the promotion of the Democrats by the MSM. So much for bi-partisanship.
Yah but,
November 6, 2008 - 15:52 ET by young_schoolAs you said NorthCoaster, it is a trend map showing how the counties "trended" from 2004 to 2008. Anyone running on the dem ticket would have likely shown the same trend win or loss...
The interactive map at NYT website is pretty neat otherwise, but it still shows every non-populous area of the nation as red. Notice the Mexican border is largely blue along with the cites, and the "meat & potatoes" [pun] of the country is red and always will be.
Of all the graphics from the interactive map to display, the trend map was the obvious cherry pick for the so called journalistic entity to display...
Case for less federal and more state
November 6, 2008 - 15:54 ET by PolazerusIt never ceases to amaze me how our system lets the densly populated urban areas make the decisions for the rest of the country. Let them raise there city taxes and redistribute there city wealth and be happy little socialists. Let the rest of us live our lives in rural America in peace. Out here we have our own wells and septic systems. We have our neighbors who care enough to help us out with out a government mandate. We can plant a garden and hunt for food if we have too. We are free and don't need the government to do anything other than fix roads, protect the border, and keep track of our trade agreements. Hell we even like parks that the city folk are welcome to come and enjoy when they get tired of their cement society.
Damn that counting all
November 6, 2008 - 16:05 ET by NCguyDamn that counting all votes equal thing.
Dude, just say it...you're afraid the white man is losing his god given right to the country.
...?
November 6, 2008 - 16:09 ET by katainkentcould you possibly be more insulting?
You must be talking to the
November 6, 2008 - 16:14 ET by NCguyYou must be talking to the other guys right...I'm mean the racist, right?
excuse me? to what
November 6, 2008 - 16:17 ET by katainkentexcuse me? to what 'racism' are you referring exactly?
delineate for me.
Hang on Kat
November 6, 2008 - 16:25 ET by TheAssessorHold on a second Kat. He's looiking up 'dilineate' to figure out if it's a racist term..
It's America, not Omerica
Well aren't you the arugula
November 6, 2008 - 16:47 ET by NCguyWell aren't you the arugula eating elitest.
Actually no NC
November 6, 2008 - 17:04 ET by TheAssessorYour logic escapes me so let me help you out. Actually no, I'm not an arugula eating elitist. The last time I had arugula, I was in Germany... I'm not a German either. Make sense? No? Nor do you.
It's America, not Omerica
Well aren't you the arugula eating elitest
November 6, 2008 - 23:29 ET by JudithIt is ELITIST, nia.
It never ceases to amaze me
November 6, 2008 - 16:45 ET by NCguyIt never ceases to amaze me how our system lets the densly populated urban areas make the decisions for the rest of the country
Code for...blacks taking over the whites.
»→ I can't decide
November 6, 2008 - 16:50 ET by Cool ArrowAre you really a racist or just having some fun racebaiting?
Neither are appreciated here.
it's the bully mentality,
November 6, 2008 - 23:36 ET by TruthMongerit's the bully mentality, cool
he's just giving us wedgies and stealing our lunch money
Do us all a favor
November 6, 2008 - 16:53 ET by Tom in NCPull up your troll lines and take your racist ass over to huffpost or daily kooks because we all know you would eat the corn out of obama's crap.
»→ Tom
November 6, 2008 - 16:57 ET by Cool ArrowI think he's probably put the corn in his biofuelled Vega, but certainly the remainder is kosher to his diet.
LOL
November 6, 2008 - 17:00 ET by Tom in NCYour right as usual
Aye I dont remeber eating
November 7, 2008 - 02:08 ET by dark_dsAye I dont remeber eating corn
if that is all you see
November 6, 2008 - 17:23 ET by katainkentif that is all you see I can understand why you're so bitter.
What a racist bigot
November 6, 2008 - 17:23 ET by UnsaneSo, people of color ONLY INHABIT BIG CITIES? Wow. This comes to a big surprise to a guy living in a small town such as I who know people representative of countless ethnic backgrounds.
Further, having lived in major metropolitan areas across America, I have seen some very multiethnic ones. Houston has its share of whites among countless other ethnicities.
What a racist bigot you are.
Keep your racist comments to yourself, NCguy.
November 6, 2008 - 16:19 ET by KarmaSocialism/communism is colorblind.
No representation, without taxation!
You sort of missed the mark
November 6, 2008 - 16:23 ET by PolazerusMy point is, the folks in Detroit should not expect me to pay for their desire to not work. If you can't find a job where you are, move. Don't crack your beer at 10 am and bitch about the fact that no one will hire you. For those that do get government assistance, don't bitch when I think you should have to pee in a cup to get it. I had to pee in a cup to make the money that eventually paid for the the welfare, you should too. This is not a race thing, this is a personal responsibility thing. We seem to have moved away from the right to pursue happiness to the government owes me happiness. That is not the American way and I am sorry for you and your children if that is how you have been raised because my friend you are now a slave.
Socail assistance is like
November 6, 2008 - 16:53 ET by NCguySocail assistance is like all emergency services...one day if and when you need it, you'll be glad as hell it's there for you.
saying it's not a race thing...then blaming "urban" people for the countries woes doesn't hold water. It's race and class bashing.
Like hitler did, it's easy to make demons out of the absence of facts...as long as there is a smiggen of truth.
Prove the cost to America and you personally. Exactly how many people on socail services are as you are describing?
WRONG. Emergency services
November 6, 2008 - 17:27 ET by UnsaneWRONG. Emergency services are cops, firefighters and EMTs. Social assistance is paying poor people to STAY POOR.
See, I will never, ever need it, because of my self-reliance and things like savings accounts and prudence with my income. Don't whine to me that not everyone can do that. Everyone can and should look out for themselves.
Of course, like countless other Leftists, you HAVE to use the government instead of resorting to charity. You would be charitable, except that involves you getting off your ass and doing something, something you don't want to do.
reply to Social Assistance
November 6, 2008 - 23:33 ET by JudithDamn near all of them, I know as I am a social worker for the state. Don't pontificate on what you obviously know little about!
wow Judith, with that
November 7, 2008 - 02:00 ET by NCguywow Judith, with that attitude, you picked the wrong line of work.
Walk a mile in someone elses show before you people pass judgement.
To all of you...Jesus would be ashamed of you.
Jesus?
November 7, 2008 - 12:12 ET by PolazerusJesus never mandated that government take your money to give to those that will not work. Jesus said take care of your fellow man or woman (don't want you to think I am being sexist as well) because it is the right thing to do. Just as I described in my very first post. Which is what traditional Americans do in great amounts through many charities. More than any other nation. When the government starts to force this you will see the charitable and willing donations stop as it has in the rest of the world. My Korean wife was a social worker for a while and is now a staunch conservative because she saw how badly people abuse the system. People with no desire to help themselves. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for life. Give him a fish and he will eat today.
Is that really the best you
November 7, 2008 - 00:34 ET by GregEIs that really the best you can do? Interject race where it's not, simply to keep from making a substantial point of discussion?
Pola... I could not agree
November 6, 2008 - 16:15 ET by bigtimerPola...
I could not agree more.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I think you need to correct this story
November 6, 2008 - 16:07 ET by Tom in NCFirst of all I must say that I detest the NYT, but this story is inaccurate I went to the NYT website at:
http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/president/map.html
and the key clearly shows that the map you show in your article is a "voting shifts" map, however if you click on the key directly above "voting shifts" at "county leaders" the map changes to mostly red counties.
Sorry I just couldn't let this pass, I was afraid it would discourage people even further.
The story is about the print
November 6, 2008 - 17:31 ET by Rich NoyesThe story is about the print edition of the New York Times, which selected the blue "vote shift" map as the banner on their election edition, and put the other, redder maps inside. It is not a major point, and the Times did not misrepresent what they were printing, but the choice of the "vote shift" as the large half-page map for all to see did strike me as hyping the extent of the blue wave we saw on Tuesday.
See above...
November 6, 2008 - 18:14 ET by young_schoolNot everyone saw the interactive map on the NYT website, this particular graphic was chosen as the representative for the graphic as a whole, which is the problem. Of all of the scenarios on the website that you can view, the "entirely" blue map was chosen to represent how they voted. The "shifts" maps is useless in identifying the relative amount of minds changing, the map would look similar if any popular president's party was ousted...even if that president was supposedly no longer popular.
TX
November 6, 2008 - 17:18 ET by UnsaneBoy, someone would have to explain to me the state of TX then...although I would be the first to admit that Travis and Hays Counties should be deep blue.
Big Cities
November 6, 2008 - 18:32 ET by DirjjActually, I am as black Obama, meaning I'm mixed. That said, I'm not offended by the assertion that many of the voters in Urban areas (cities ) are black, it's a fact. No matter how many ways you try to cut it, it's a fact.
To add to that though. The urban populace is concentrated in their indoctrination. The schools contain more students, the Universities tend to be located there, and overall, they're filled with a groupthink mentality. Too many "peers" around to be influenced by.
That's my take. Where on the other hand, Rural voters are more able to think for themselves without undue influence.
I noticed the Florida may. Did anyone notice how blue the area's around the Universities and Cities was? Well, that's actually true for the entire country.
ab
Dirjj, My take is about
November 6, 2008 - 22:14 ET by KarmaDirjj,
My take is about the same. The rural populace tends to be more self reliant and relishes volunteering their time and resources to those in need. Coercing them to do so is a much different matter. Race does not divide this country nearly to the extent that metropolitan/rural does.
No representation, without taxation!
Like most other things
November 7, 2008 - 00:35 ET by GregELike most other things political portrayed by the media, most Americans will believe whatever the media says, because they don't pay attention otherwise.
I fully expect that in the next few days, some liberal is going to send me that blue map and think that it's the actual vote numbers, not the "change from 2004" numbers. If anyone else gets one from a lib, tell us about it.
America long ago lost mainstream media objectivity.
At least my county was
November 7, 2008 - 05:36 ET by RR GOPAt least my county was red.
Maybe I won't move to Utah, Oklahoma or Alaska after all (have lived in the last two for a while at least).
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
Nc Guy What you know is a lie
November 7, 2008 - 06:38 ET by theworminatorWith reading your comments above and the accusations you've made, I suggest a trip to www.nbra.info/ read the sections pertaining to civil rights. You will find that contrary to what most indoctrinated er educated urbanites think the Republican party is the party of civil rights and it's the Democrat party that is the party of the KKK. But I'm sure that like a good liberal you won't let the facts get in the way of comfortable delusion.
Yes, that's back when
November 7, 2008 - 10:21 ET by NCguyYes, that's back when Lincoln would have been called a RINO. Back then Republicans WERE the liberals. Values like equality, civil rights, personal privacy and protection under the law ruled the party.
Oh for those days gone by...were has my party gone. Bring back the true republican party.
NcGuy
November 7, 2008 - 07:13 ET by cocodrieI Lived the '50s and '60s when the democrats were the party of hatred and racism.The only difference now is the democrats own blacks as slaves. The democrats bought them with public dependency. I don't know what the c stands for in your name unless YOU spell nuts with a c. If you can read, get yourself some books to read the truth about recent history. I also remember the schools were integrated by presedent Dwight D. Eisenhower - REPUBLICAN. Go back in the gutter with your fellow rats.