Chris Matthews Compares Obama Speech to Troops in Afghanistan to Henry V
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he today that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother.
I have to wonder how the St. Crispin's Day speech by Henry V as written by William Shakespeare would sound if read from a teleprompter. The reason for this strange speculation is that Chris Matthews yesterday on Hardball compared President Obama's speech to the troops in Afghanistan to Henry V as you can see on this video and below the fold.
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After piously proclaiming that Obama's visit to Afghanistan was beyond partisanship, Matthews and his guests, Jim VandeHei of Politico and Congressman Jim Moran discuss the politics of it after valiantly attempting to put up a "nonpartisan" front as you can see in this transcript:
CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Well, that's great stuff. I was so proud of the president there, I must say. This has nothing to do with partisanship. This is a commander in chief meeting with the troops, as it was right out of " Henry V," actually, a touch of Barry in this case in the night for those soldiers risking their lives over there. Congressman Jim Moran of course is a Democrat from Virginia, and Jim VandeHei is executive editor of Politico. Congressman Moran, I was so proud of him there, because I imagine being a soldier over there, this is what you want to hear, that the troops are backed up by the people at home, and there you had your commander in chief there with you personally. It's great stuff.
REP. JIM MORAN(D), VIRGINIA: He is. He is our commander in chief, and not just by claiming to be, but by acting as a commander in chief should act. This was a commander in chief's speech. It was not political. It was motivational. It was just exactly what the troops need to hear, and, as important, what their families need to hear back home. I do think, from the perspective of hardball politics, Chris, this takes national security and foreign policy off the table as a campaign issue. You can't accuse the Democratic candidate of being weak on defense. President Obama is leading in the proper way. And instead of gloating over the killing of bin Laden a year ago, this is exactly where he should be and doing what he should be doing. Now, in terms of responding to the concern about this war, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't accelerate a troop withdrawal. But it's not going to happen before the election. And it's going to happen only as he can responsibly withdraw troops. So you're not going to hear much about this issue, because I don't see where he's left any room on the left or the right for it to be a campaign issue Chris.
MATTHEWS: Yes. Jim VandeHei, here's an example, I suppose, of a president, a commander in chief's ability to shift the backdrop rather dramatically from a kerfuffle, a fuss over who gets credit or should get credit for the killing of bin Laden to, hey, we're still fighting a war over here and we have got a commander in chief who is at post here.
JIM VANDEHEI, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, POLITICO: Right. I mean, politically, there is no danger ever appearing with the troops, and I think the one thing both parties could probably agree on is that when the public is focused that we still have so many troops over there and have such a big interest in what happens in that country, that is a good thing. For the most part, people have ignored the war in Afghanistan. And most of the attention, at least politically, has been on domestic issues. So it's not a bad thing. Has the president politicized this? Well, sure. I mean, presidents politicize everything. People drink in bars. People gamble in casinos. People practice politics in politics. And so this idea -- I saw the White House today was putting out that it's coincidence that it just happens to be on the anniversary that he's in Afghanistan. That strikes me as a little bit laughable. I don't think there's any coincidences in -- in politics. It how you spin...
Oops! VandeHei went off the "nonpartisan" script by admitting that the president has politicized this. However, rather than argue with VandeHei, Matthews and Moran contradict themselves from earlier and pretty much accept the political nature of the visit.
MATTHEWS: I think -- I think he acknowledged that, Jim, somewhere in those comments with the troops, that this was a year later after we have done what we have done.
VANDEHEI: Right.
MATTHEWS: Let me go back to Congressman Moran about this whole political thing here. You know, I have to tell you, I look at John McCain's career, and I have nothing but pride in it as an American. I think he did a great job as a soldier, as a flyer, a combat pilot. He got shot down. He suffered as a POW those seven years. He came back to America. He was elected to Congress based on that wonderful service record. He was elected to the Senate on that service record and was nominated for president to a large extent on what he had done for his country. Why is it wrong for then -- for this president to get some credit for his role as commander in chief? I don't get it. I don't get it.
MORAN: Well, it certainly is...
MATTHEWS: It's consistent.
MORAN: Yes, absolutely. It's not wrong. We all have roles to play. The vast majority of Americans today have not served in uniform. They certainly support the troops. But the question is, do we support them in a tangible way or just by standing up and saluting them at ball games and so on? I think President Obama is responding to the needs of the troops, just as he should be doing. The fact is, with all of the fiscal constraints, he's put more money into helping out veterans getting jobs, traumatic brain injury, helping their families. This is what they need. And I think that you're going to see -- you can see on the face of the troops right now, you know, they're happy this guy is their leader. He's responding to what's in their mind. They are concerned they're going to lose their -- probably as concerned about losing their buddies as losing their own life. But he recognizes their sacrifice. I think he speaks for all of us. So, you know, you can call it political. Everything he does is political, but there are some political things that need to be one and need to be done in the right way. This speech was perfect. He's just where he ought to be. And he's the kind of commander in chief that the troops need.
MATTHEWS: Let's come back to Jim VandeHei. You edit Politico, so we're talking politics, as well as national security here. How will this play out, do you believe, although it's very early, the news to the American left, center and right that we're in Afghanistan, perhaps for the foreseeable future, in some role, we're not going to roll up our sleeves -- I mean, roll up the blankets and pull out of the bunks and head home; we're going to stay there in some capacity? Is that going to rub a war-fatigued country the wrong way, Jim VandeHei?
VANDEHEI: I think it does. I just don't think, to be blunt, that it's a top issue, if you talk to most voters. Most of them are focused on the economy. I think where it does become a big issue is the duration of the war, can we have success in the war, and the cost of the war. So, politically, I think I agree with the congressman, you think of national security and the liability that national security has been for Democrats historically, it's just not as big of a liability for President Obama. He gets pretty high grades, if you look at the polls, on his stewardship of the foreign policy, of the wars, of the fight against terrorism. And on many of these policies, he's acted just like I think George Bush would have, and in some areas maybe even been more aggressive. If you think of the use of drones to assassinate terrorists or suspected terrorists, he's been extremely aggressive.
With their "nonpartisan" cloaks tossed aside, Matthews and Moran spend much of the rest of the interview bashing Mitt Romney including the congressman declaring that Romney "probably ought to keep his mouth shut.
And for those of you having trouble envisioning a Barry V delivering the St. Crispin's Day speech, this is how it should be done.
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Ozymandias-on-the-Potomac
Submitted by Pilgrim1949 on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:36am.
I met a traveler from an antique land
Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
`My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!'
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away".
-- Percy Bysshe Shelley
"Ye canne change the laws of physics....." but some politicians believe that with the right legislation you can pretend they don't really apply to your own pet projects...
Perfect summation
Submitted by NOLAgirl on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:43am.
That poem says it all.
For A Moment
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 5:23pm.
For a moment, I thought you were referring to the popular TV show "Lost", which featured the remnants of a giant ancient stone statue, the lower portion all that remained. I then thought how apt the word "lost" applies to Obama on so many levels.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers"
Submitted by Newsbubba on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:44am.
Being one of that "band of brothers" (and sisters now), I can honestly say that the RBFSOB ain't my brother in any way, shape, or form.
I don't even consider him my Commander in Chief because he is totally unqualified to hold that office.
He can kiss my a$$.
Veteran empathy
Submitted by Pilgrim1949 on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:03pm.
As a Vietnam-era USAF vet with a Vietnam-era Navy vet wife, I can understand your frustration with the oxy(and-other)moron of a clothless-emperor who is simultaneously an empty suit who deigns to delusions of grandeur. Our Narcissist-in-Chief is a wretch-inducing wretch to those who wore and wear the uniform of our nation's military.
The capricious, vindictive, head-lopping Henry VIII would be a closer fit...
"Ye canne change the laws of physics....." but some politicians believe that with the right legislation you can pretend they don't really apply to your own pet projects...
Thanks..
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:45pm.
for your service, Pilgrim.
USNMCB-40
Phu Bai, RVN
1968-69
Leave it to non-veterans like Matthews . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:19pm.
. . . to tell us that speeches like Obama's are "motivational" for the troops. Nothing could be further from the truth.
American military personnel are motivated by their leaders, who share the risks with them. They must believe in their mission and the importance of their selfless service, but most of all, they must have confidence in their leaders. It is especially critical after a unit has suffered casualties.
Nothing this President -- who was in Afghanistan to use them as a backdrop for his political speech to us - reads from a teleprompter inspires them. Most of them know they are being used by an Administration that -- not unlike the previous Administration -- knows how to win; they know they are a backdrop for news coverage.
Clowns like Matthews assume that (a) Americans who are intelligent enough to serve in our armed forces are dumber than the average American, and (b) rhetorical blather from a man who hasn't a clue as to what they do and suffer is as motivational as a pep talk from a beloved coach to a slavishly devoted football team. Despite what they say after Americans have been killed in an ambush or ptiched battle, they hold the intelligence of American military members in low regard.
Since very few MSMers have served in the armed forces let alone acquired an understanding of the warrior culture, they think Commander in Chief Obama is at the top of his game.
Galv,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:23pm.
absolutely agree.
When was the last time a motivational speech ended by the 'leader' telling the troops to let him know if anything changes and how it turns out?
When was the last time an effective motivational speech ended with the 'leader' hopping on a plane and heading 'home' after effectively doing nothing but campaigning?
And under the heading of little things matter - I saw on CNN while walking through the hospital lobby this morning that CNN is referring to this campaign stop to make a speech with good optics - A MISSION! Trying to give the Pres a boost in the CIC category?
So motivated he spoke before trucks
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:13pm.
Riiiight.
He looked ridiculous. He could have blue-screened it from the WH. And saved us the expense. Because I'm not buying the drama.
As for Chrissy and his little Henry V analogy.....GAH!!!!!
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If Obama were in the military
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 5:28pm.
If Obama were in the military he would have to be an officer because non-coms and enlisted personnel would quickly see him for what he is - a goldbrick.
Wouldn't be surprised if the sergeant at the motor pool said he didn't want Obama touching any of his vehicles because whatever Obama touches turns to shiite..
Good evening strat
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 5:45pm.
His uniform would have to be kilts and tennis shoes so he could run and ---- at the same time
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
LOL Coco
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 7:26pm.
At least you would know where to find Obama. On second thought, you'd know where not to go to avoid Obama.
Some historian Tingles is. He got the wrong Henry.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:47am.
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Here Little Christy got his
Submitted by John21 on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:48am.
Here Little Christy got his tingle back.
That means that the Obama administrations Public Relations firm (MSNBC) has renewed his contract for another season. No one can work for that PR firm that is not 100% verifiable Obamabot, so Little Christy made the cut. I now expect the firm and Little Christy to increase their attacks on the opposition to support their main client.
Wrong speach...
Submitted by c5then on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:55am.
A vote! A vote! My kingdom for a vote!
Madison and Jefferson and Franklin built a Republic - Roberts killed it!
'We' motivational speech of King Obama
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:55pm.
exerpt
"I directed Leon Panetta, the director of the CIA, to make the killing or capture of bin Laden the top priority . . . even as I continued our broader effort. . . . Then, after years of painstaking work by my intelligence community I was briefed . . . I met repeatedly with my national security team . . . And finally last week I determined that I had enough intelligence to take action. . . . Today, at my direction . . ."
but in fairness he really didn't use I/my that much in this speech compared to his 35+ times using the word 'We'. Considering his opinions about the WOT and actions taken by the CIA and the military in the past he is obviously using the "Royal We".
Indeed, Ag.
Submitted by LinTaylor on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:16pm.
I loved the article comparing Bush's post-Saddam speech to Obama's post-OBL speech. For all the talk about Bush being an incompetent boob, the speech was very modest and gave all the credit to the soldiers who actually did the job, and in return the soldiers gave him credit for his leadership.
And like you said, Obama's speech would make you think he charged in all by himself like a skinny (or is that racist?) Rambo and strangled the Goatmaster with his own two hands.
And Liberals wonder why we call Glorious Leader an egotist.
I wonder if Henry V thought
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 11:55am.
I wonder if Henry V thought his band of brothers made a "great photo-op."
Chris Matthews, Jim VandeHei of Politico and...
Submitted by Conservator on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:01pm.
...Congressman Jim Moran are smoking that lefty wacky weed. It would be nice if Barry V deliver a speech like actor Bill Pullman who played the role of President Thomas J. Whitmore in "Independence Day." I'm sure most will recall Pullman's Independence Day speech when he tried to rally a number of volunteers to take down the aliens' mothership and the spaceships destroying Earth. BTW, Matthews, VandeHei and Rep. Moran, like most leftists, definitely seem to come from another world.
➚ That guy's got it bad!
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:03pm.
Chris obviously has a burning need for some kingly domination.
Perhaps he's jockeying for the position "Groom of the Stool" (yes, such a job did exist, may even still exist)
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
The Three Stooges
Submitted by mmilesll on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:25pm.
What else could you ask for-Rep Moron, Politico and Chris the Crazy. In this show Chris was clearly off his meds
Obama is no JFK
Submitted by AgentAmerican on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:31pm.
JFK would have Obama arrested. Speaking of Camelot...we have yet to see King Arthur or Henry V, even King Leonidas as POTUS. There will be a great American President that will in fact UNITE the country. Only a true, positive mandate from a Reagan x1000 will ensure American greatness, which Obama truly hates. This must come to pass.
"The Man Who Shot Osama bin Laden"
Submitted by berlet98 on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:36pm.
"The Man Who Shot Osama bin Laden"
On this, the day after the first anniversary of the untimely death of master terrorist and mass murderer Osama bin Laden, since we have seemingly escaped Islamic retaliation for that cleansing of the planet, Americans should all rejoice that we have our president.
By now, Osama’s sorry carcass has been consumed by ravenous fishes not very selective about what they eat and it seems altogether fitting and proper to honor the man most responsible for ridding the world of the vermin that once was bin Laden.
While the courageous men of SEAL Team Six may have technically pulled the triggers at the vermin’s slummy compound in beautiful, downtown Abbottabad, every reasonable person knows in their heart of hearts that President Barack Hussein Obama deserves the credit.
Accordingly, for the reader’s listening and viewing pleasure, I am reprising Paul Shanklin’s memorable rendition of “The Man Who Shot Osama bin Laden,” which was first heard on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show last May.
The song had been removed by YouTube due to alleged “copyright infringements” but, thanks to my tireless searching and in the interests of providing a public service, I have been able to retrieve it. WARNING: The presentation is replete with graphic graphics showing the deceased bin Laden in all his inglorious, dead splendor.
False rumors have been circulating that our heroic leader was somewhat less of a hero and failed to provide any leadership at all during the tense hours leading up to his finest foreign policy achievement. They are all poppycock!
Americans should disregard as meaningless multiple reports that our president was so upset over the prospect of killing another human being a year ago that he retreated from the White House Situation Room, went to bed, and left the momentous decision to either then-CIA Director Leon Panetta or Special Ops Admiral William McRaven. . .
(Read more at http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=22985.)
barlet98 It's on YT
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:44pm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMcM4wjE7xw
You Didn't Build That.
It's time for Chris "Hissy Fit" Matthews...
Submitted by almostacowboy on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 12:46pm.
to come out.
What? No comparison to the Gettysburg address?
Submitted by drsamherman on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:04pm.
Oblivion fancies himself to be like a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. So I guess the Gettysburg address isn't good enough for the snobby elite liberal set?
I confess to not being up on
Submitted by LinTaylor on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:17pm.
I confess to not being up on my history in that area, but I've been told that the St. Crispin's Day speech was satirical and sarcastic. Was I misinformed?
Lin,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:31pm.
it could be viewed that way if King Henry hadn't turned around and refused to surrender peacefully and save his life in return for ransom. By his actions he gave strength to his words and therefor it would be a stretch to say that he was being sarcastic or satirical.
All those pretty words
Submitted by cocodrie on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:23pm.
All those pretty words but no mention of victory. Only an agreement to discuss how we will "Run away, run away".He changed the rules of engagement to assure failure at the expense of american lives. Now he reassures his muslim brothers "we're leaving we're leaving". Once again he gives the bird to american troops and the cash to our enemies.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Obama overrides Congress
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 7:32pm.
Obama overrides Congress legal decision and gives $147 Million dollars of our hard earned tax dollars to the PLO! You know some of this money will go to Hammas. You know some of this money will end up supporting the very people who will kill Americans before this charlie foxtrot is over.
Obama is dispicable.
Election Year Strateegity
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 1:36pm.
And about as effective as a Wile E Coyote trap made from Acme parts.
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Chris Matthews Fawns Over Obama
Submitted by GlenStanish on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 2:15pm.
When I read this transcript of Matthews gushing like a school girl during his interview with President Obama I really felt embarrassed for the man. http://www.thedailyrash.com/obama-says-killing-muslims-more-fun-than-he-...
Yippy Ki Yay, MoFo
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 2:17pm.
So, the liberals loves a Cowboy, one of the ruff and ready types who brings the fight to the enemy, after all, as long as it's a liberal cowboy!
Obama the Cowboy: Yippy Ki Yay!
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Matthews is delusional, and Obama is a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 05/02/2012 - 7:58pm.
piece of shit.
In deference to the ladies (and to the moderators), I held back from stating how I really feel about the phony, lying, purple-lipped, jug-eared, pecker-headed grifter
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