SF Chronicle Story Repeats AP 'Fast & Furious' Misinformation
Bush also did it!
Bush also did it!
That is the current talking point desperately being promoted by the Associated Press, and now picked up by the San Francisco Chronicle, to try to explain away the selling of guns to members of the Mexican drug cartel by the Obama administration. The only problem is that the Associated Press left out a key detail as pointed out by Katie Pavlich of Townhall. First the misleading claim by AP:
The federal government under the Bush administration ran an operation that allowed hundreds of guns to be transferred to suspected arms traffickers — the same tactic that congressional Republicans have criticized President Barack Obama's administration for using, two federal law enforcement officials said Tuesday.
When Bush, a Republican, was president, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Tucson, Ariz., used a similar enforcement tactic in a program it called Operation Wide Receiver. The fact that there were two such ATF investigations years apart in separate administrations raises the possibility that agents in still other cases may have allowed guns to "walk."
And now Pavlich explains how incredibly misleading that AP claim about Bush allowing guns to walk is:
The problem is, the "same tactic" under heavy criticism by the House Oversight Committee was not used under President Bush. Operation Fast and Furious started in Fall 2009 and was an offshoot of the Project Gunrunner program implemented under the Bush Administration. Project Gunrunner started as a pilot program in Laredo, Texas and went national in 2006. Project Gunrunner involved the surveillance of straw purchasers buying weapons, but those purchasers were immediately apprehended before crossing back into Mexico or tranferring arms to dangerous criminals. Shortly after Obama took office, Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw purchasers working for Mexican drug cartels to purchase mass amount of weapons in the United States and then take them back to Mexico in addition to allowing them to be lost at stash houses and tranferred to dangerous cartel members. ATF agents who have testified before Congress about the program said the idea was to "trace" those weapons, but the tracing ended up being a total failure as GPS batteries ran out and thousands of guns were lost in Mexico and only found at final violent crime scenes. Did both operations allow for straw purchasers to buy guns under ATF/DOJ surveillance? Yes, however, the key difference between Operation Fast and Furious under Obama and Project Gunrunner under Bush is that under Obama guns were allowed to go back into Mexico without interdiction or arrests. According to Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa, straw purchaser arrests and prosecutions have been way down under this administration, so much so it's almost as if the Obama Justice Department has no interest in prosecuting illegal straw purchasers at all. (A straw purchaser is someone who buys guns illegally for those who cannot buy them. In this case, cartels members can't buy guns, so they hired "straw purchasers" to buy weapons for them).
So what the AP conveniently neglects to mention is that under the Bush administration, the guns were quickly apprehended BEFORE crossing the border. And now that the AP has set up a Fast & Furious excuse to pathetically explain away the Obama administration allowing guns to cross the border, the San Francisco Chronicle has latched onto the same excuse by citing this misinformation promoted by AP as you can see in this article by the Hearst Washington Bureau correspondent, Puneet Kollipara:
Texas GOP Rep. Lamar Smith, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, on Tuesday demanded an independent investigation of whether Attorney General Eric Holder misled Congress on what he knew about the botched gun-tracking operation known as "Fast and Furious" - and when he found out about it.
Also on Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that the George W. Bush administration conducted a program similar to Fast and Furious, in which Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents were instructed to let Mexican drug cartel straw purchasers buy guns in the Phoenix area to follow the trail to higher-ups.
Known as Operation Wide Receiver, the Bush-era operation also let guns be transferred to suspected arms traffickers. Justice Department prosecutors have brought charges against nine people involved in the operation, according to AP; two have pleaded guilty.
And now we await a correction of this misinformation making it seem that the Bush administration also allowed guns to cross the border from both the Associated Press and copycat misinformer Kollipara in 5...4...3...2...
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No, Bush didn't commit
Submitted by jessieH on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:32am.
No, Bush didn't commit treason. Holder did. The White house did. When we take our country back, the investigations, charges & judgement is going to slap these traitors in prison, if not under it.
When all else fails and the lights seem to be dimming
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:40am.
you can rely on the liberal pansies to blame Bush. Hypothetically speaking, let's say Bush did the same thing, which he obviously didn't. But let's say he did to keep things in perspective. Does it make it any better that Obama/Holder repeated a possible action that may be considered treasonous, not to mention perjury?
That's the liberal mantra for you. It's okay for us to lie, cheat, and steal if someone else does it first. How childish and immature. No wonder they don't want any moralistic religion involved in the public arena. Then they may have to look themselves in the mirror and see what a horrible existence they have created for themselves, as well as others unfortunately.
gmaniac1
Submitted by ant on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:39pm.
Exactly the frustrating scenario I usually have to confront when arguing with the libtarded. Everything is excusable if someone else did it, it's like talking to children. (No offense to children).
"no offense to children" lol awesome!
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:44pm.
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MSM ignores the dead border control agents
Submitted by stunned on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:50pm.
The worse thing about the MSM cover up is the ignoring of the dead agents. If Bush had done something like this the widows and orphans would be on every network and the story would be running 24/7. Remember the outrage over firing or a few prosecuters by the Attorney General under Bush but now they ignore the deaths of fellow Americans to protect Obama and Holder. I am fed up the the MSM fools.
tired of liberal lies
Ain't it interesting that . . .
Submitted by Galvanic on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:42am.
. . . after winning the 2008 Election on a campaign that promised it was going to run Washington differently and certainly not the way Bush-43 ran it, when this Administration is caught in a massive scandal or screw-up, they try to mitigate the damage by claiming they were merely doing the same thing Bush did?
Solyndra. Fast & Furious. Obviously had these been successful, they would never link them to the Bush Administration. But when they blow up, they blame Bush again.
It is a fundamental aspect of Obama's narcissism that he can never admit mistakes, and that is where is lack of leadership experience fails him. A genuine leader accepts responsibility for the good and the bad. Obama doesn't.
if it were not
Submitted by grammajane on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 10:52am.
for Fox, Newsbusters, and talk radio, Americans would never know the truth about what this corrupt and blaming administration is doing to this country. action needs to be taken know and not wait till 2012. Seems, everyday there is more covered up news by these useless newspapers and media.
another difference
Submitted by dmacleo on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:56am.
fast and furious (I refuse to call it gunwalker) used taxpayers CASH for atf to purchase weapons to send also.
thats right. we paid for some of these weapons to go to mexico.
So then,
Submitted by Ashrak on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 3:59pm.
Why do you refuse to call this The GunWalker Scandal?
First, "fast and furious" is but one tiny piece of the pie.
Second, it was regular folks on the internet who broke this and refused to let it get swept under the rug.
Referring to it as The GunWalker Scandal is refusing to now let Old Media offer the pretense that it did not actively run interference in an attempt to sweep this all under the rug to allow Barry to get away with it.
What could you possibly have against either reality?
Ironically, you link to an article cowritten by the one who actually named it The GunWalker Scandal from the very start. So what's the deal?
You missed this from the article
Submitted by alvin on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:12pm.
In an emailed reply to Weinstein, James Trusty, at the time deputy chief in the gang unit at the Justice Department, said "it's not going to be any big surprise that a bunch of US guns are being used in MX (Mexico)
Link?
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:54pm.
.
there is a large amount of collected F&F info
Submitted by kata on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:16pm.
in the forums if anyone is interested in perusing it.
Another source
Submitted by alvin on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:29pm.
Some firearms in Wide Receive were equipped with RFID tracking devices. In Wide Receiver, it seems the illegal purchasers seemed more than slightly knowledgeable of the way the ATF and how to take their aerial and electronic tracking procedures down.
As surveillance planes were forced to return to base for re-fueling, the smugglers simply turned and sprinted their cargo across the border
Another source
Submitted by alvin on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 12:29pm.
Some firearms in Wide Receive were equipped with RFID tracking devices. In Wide Receiver, it seems the illegal purchasers seemed more than slightly knowledgeable of the way the ATF and how to take their aerial and electronic tracking procedures down.
As surveillance planes were forced to return to base for re-fueling, the smugglers simply turned and sprinted their cargo across the border
http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/224570
Smugglers knew about the tracking RFID, why not tear it off?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:50pm.
As if they can see the tracking aircraft, crock.
Ok how many guns made it across the border?
You Didn't Build That.
hey ups, ask Hillary*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 8:13pm.
She made these comments in March 2009
How did she know, when did she know, and what did she know in 2009????
This source claims several hundred guns walked into Mexico
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 11:51pm.
during Operation Wide Receiver five years ago: [source. Scroll down to Operation Wide Receiver]
On February 22-23, there were two postings by a couple of CUATF regulars named Jumper and 1desertrat discussing George Gillett who was being accused at the time of retaliation towards a protected whistle-blower and was Acting SAC of the Phoenix Field Division.
1desertrat said:
This really sickens me to see Gillett getting rewarded for a history of misconduct and incompetence. It also appears he has not taken any heat on approving the Tucson version of phoenix’s “Gun Walker” in Tucson called linebacker or wide receiver (something like that)where he and Newell approved “walking” several hundred assault rifles to Mexico. Also, get this ……he approved the signing (and paying) of the FFL dealer as a CI, paid him as a CI and allowed him to profit from the illegal straw purchases ATF directed him to do…..what a deal! What do you think would be happening right now if one of those guns were linked to the Tucson shooting of Rep Gifford? How about it Senator Grassley…..are these ATF supervisors really the “untouchables”? Retaliation by ATF management is a way of life in ATF. Why……because all know management is corrupt and will pull out all stops to protect one another and NOTHING ever happens!
Jumper responded:
The best part of this post (if you enjoy hypocracy) is that The Retaliator (Gillett) actually tried to terminate two of the smartest and most productive agents in Phoenix for what he personally deemed to be mismanagement of government funds in the payment of an informant. The Retaliators ruling was overturned by higher ups based on their conclusions that Gillett didn’t know what he was talking about but its still pretty funny. Wait till the press gets ahold of Gunrunner II, the Tucson Experiment. Can you imagine the pucker factor Newell and Gillett experience every time a shooting takes place involving a 7.62 round? Give them some coal and turn both of them into a diamond factory.
Very interesting. I get the feeling that if Operation Wide Receiver is added to Operation Fast and Furious it will make those wildfires sweeping Arizona currently look small by comparison.
Jer
Here is a recent supplemental statement
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 1:14am.
provided by Newell [presumably the same Newell mentioned in the "wide receiver" article I linked earlier] amplifying his July 2011 testimony before the Issa committee investigating Fast & Furious. He makes no reference here to Gillet and the Tuscon operation. I don't know whether he did in his earlier testimony or not.
Jer
Issa, Yesterday on cnn, commenting on both gun programs.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 2:13am.
Issa: We Wouldn't Give Bush's ATF Scandal A Pass 2:40 yt
So why the paper hang up on the Bush years? Get Sandy Burger.jpg on it right away.
You Didn't Build That.
True, ucw...but later Issa's press secretary appeared to back
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 2:46am.
away from that pledge in a statement to HuffPo:
The remark certainly indicated a willingness to broaden the scope of the Fast and Furious investigation. But in a statement sent to The Huffington Post Tuesday night, Issa's press secretary on the Oversight committee, Becca Glover Watkins, hinted strongly that her office viewed throwing the Bush administration into the mix as a political distraction.
“The committee has received paltry few documents from the Justice Department about Operation Wide Receiver but Justice officials still have not made clear to committee investigators what did and did not take place in this operation," she said. "This far into the investigation, throwing out the 'Bush Administration did it too' defense reeks of desperation. If true, it would indicate that Obama Justice officials have engaged in an active effort to deceive Congress about gun-walking they knew had taken place but had strenuously denied until only recently.”
We'll see.
Jer
Justice dept to Acorn branch, in 2.5 years.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 4:08am.
One wonders how many folks are pouring over the Bush paper work, right now.
How hard is it to stick a hand truck under a few file boxes and roll them over to Issa's office?
You Didn't Build That.
I just want to see this terrorist-pardoning, racist, corrupt...
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 1:46pm.
...commie puke rot in prison for the rest of his life, then rot in Hell for an eternity afterward.
What a low-life POS this jerk is.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:43pm.
Yeah, I don't care much for alvin's bullsh*t either. :o)
MD
Agreed, just another O apologist.
Submitted by UpNorth on Wed, 10/05/2011 - 7:53pm.
I'm sure he's jumping up and down, yelling, "Bush Did It Too".
:-)
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 1:34am.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
I don't care who did it first
Submitted by kata on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 1:41am.
This isn't kindergarten and someone broke a lamp. People died. If this warrant's an investigation too, so be it. But it shouldn't be serving as a distraction. Everyone can have their day in court. And for anyone just showing up because suddenly Bush's name is attached to this. Shame on you.
md,
Submitted by Dave. on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 1:38am.
LOL - Which one?
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 10/06/2011 - 5:14am.
alvin the chipmunk troll.
Al Sharpton and Al Gore fit the bill, too.
MD
for Fox, Newsbusters, and
Submitted by bagtree on Thu, 03/29/2012 - 5:02am.
for Fox, Newsbusters, and talk radio, Americans would never know the truth about what this corrupt and blaming administration is doing to this country. action needs to be taken know and not wait till 2012. Seems, everyday there is more covered up news by these useless newspapers and media.
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