Comic Book ‘Buffy the Vampire Slayer’ Decides to Slay Her Child
The entertainment industry has begun to exhibit an increasingly pro-abortion agenda. A Feb. 8 USA Today article examined the latest example of a member of the entertainment industry promoting abortion. In season 9 of the comic book series “Buffy the Vampire Slayer,” the main character, Buffy, decides to have an abortion.
The USA Today piece examined the circumstances behind Buffy’s decision with startling frankness: “Season 9 finds the character in her early 20s with no idea of what she’s doing with her life and in free-fall while everyone around her seeks to me maturing… …Buffy learns she is pregnant – with the unknown father possibly one of the guests at a wild party at her place – and in the new Issue 6, she confides in the heroic anti-vamp Spike of her decision to have an abortion.”
“Possibly one of the guests” is the father? In other words, for Buffy, abortion is a convenient way of cleaning up a mess, created by a lack of self-control.
The article noted that Joss Whedon, the executive producer of the comic, “concedes that there’s a bit of a political jab in the Buffy story line.” Whedon huffed: “It offends me that people who purport to be discussing a decision that is as crucial and painful as any a young woman has to make won’t even say something that they think is going to make people angry.”
But pro-life advocates see abortion as child-killing. Of course child-murder is going to anger those who believe that an unborn child is human.
However, Whedon tried to claim some measure of neutrality, noting that they made sure that Buffy thought about keeping her child before killing him or her. The article quotes Whedon: “It’s not that women should be on one side or the other,” he says, “but that people have to make this decision and talk about it.”
But by publishing a comic where a woman gets an abortion, the creator of the comic has effectively taken the side of abortion. If abortion is the taking of an innocent human life, then abortion should be banned. If it is not the taking of an innocent life, then abortion is perfectly acceptable.
In another interview with Entertainment Weekly, Whedon admitted that his desire in publishing the abortion story was to strike a blow for “women’s rights,” declaring: “I don’t think Buffy should have a baby. I don’t think Buffy can take care of a baby. I agree with Buffy. It’s a very difficult decision for her, but she made a decision that so many people make and it’s such a hot button issue with Planned Parenthood under constant threat and attack right now. A woman’s right to choose is under attack as much as it’s ever been, and that’s a terrible and dangerous thing for this country. I don’t usually get soap box-y with this, but the thing about Buffy is all she’s going through is what women go through, and what nobody making a speech, holding up a placard, or making a movie is willing to say.”
Buffy’s abortion decision is merely the latest in a recent spate of pro-abortion propaganda in the entertainment industry.
"Grey’s Anatomy," which is produced by a Shonda Rhimes, board member of the Los Angeles Planned Parenthood, inserted a pro-abortion message into a September 2011 episode, by positively depicting one of the doctors killing her baby. "Private Practice," also produced by Rhimes, was even more overt in supporting abortion in a May 2011 episode, featuring a “pro-life” doctor who admitted to an abortion doctor who had just performed a partial-birth abortion that “you helped that woman.” "Friday Night Lights" also featured a pro-abortion message in a July 2010 episode, with the moral counselor of the show counseling a young woman to "think about her life, think about what's important to her and what she wants."
Comic book writers have actively supported liberal causes such as the Occupy movement through their writings. It is hardly surprising that a comic writer would attempt to peddle abortion in his works as well – as his counterparts in television have done.
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Shameful and disgusting
Submitted by ohio granny on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 5:59pm.
The only words to describe this is shameful and disgusting. Sounds like propaganda instead of comics.
Who is the audience?
Submitted by Fredy on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:02pm.
I wonder who it is that reads such a 'comic'. Clearly, wild orgies are not suitable for childrens books in the first place.
It's not a comic for
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:14pm.
It's not a comic for children.
i think it actually is -
Submitted by TruthMonger on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:06am.
i think it actually is - unofficially heh heh
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
I'll be curious to see how
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:09pm.
I'll be curious to see how Joss handles this whole story. He's a thoughtful writer, and I don't anticipate any of this being taken lightly.
"it’s about that moment of decision, and just articulating what so many people are not saying, but so many are thinking."
~You read comics?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:15pm.
For the first time I'm curious..how old are you?
I don't, actually, outside of
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:22pm.
I don't, actually, outside of stuff like Parker, which is based on the crime novels by Richard Stark, and The Walking Dead.
But I loved the TV show.
Oh and 38.
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:39pm.
Oh and 38.
In Earth years?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:49pm.
OMG.
my husband is 39
Submitted by Lipton on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:04pm.
and reads and collects comics. It drives me insane. He has comic book boxes everywhere.
The worst part is, he wasn't collecting comics when I meet him, dated him and married him.
Most comic book readers/collectors are in that same age group according to hubby. He said they are trying to get younger readers hooked.
LOL, Lipton:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:24pm.
I was more referring to Bal's octogenarian "economy of words" posting style, which gives the impression he can't squeeze out more than a sentence or two without hitting the oxygen tank for fifteen minutes.
~I totally thought he was an old geezer
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:26pm.
addicted to the telly. I guess he's just in training for the role.
Nothing wrong with liking TV!
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:28pm.
Nothing wrong with liking TV!
I have to say, I am stunned beyond belief if you're only 38.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:35pm.
You wouldn't be a toll collector on the NJ Turnpike by any chance, would you?
Cause there's a guy at Exit 13, far right, that remin... ah, never mind.
he's always sounded about 14
Submitted by TruthMonger on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:09am.
he's always sounded about 14 to me...intellectually anyway
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
⇒ Thanks, bal
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:37pm.
We are immensely enriched by your deeply steeped observations.
Really went out on a limb with that one, didn't you?
Cool:
Submitted by SickofLibs on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:41pm.
OK, I admit I didn't actually see the move, but I plan on not reading the book someday.
⇒ Me neither, SOL
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:42pm.
But I did drive past the library the other day.
Amen!
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:38pm.
Amen!
Thanks I get it now. Although I was grateful for
Submitted by Lipton on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:00am.
the opportunity to vent.
~Turnabout is fair play
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:25pm.
Get yourself some Barbie dolls and let him come home to find you in a full scale dressing session complete with pretend play and a creepy little girly voice. When he goggles at you from the doorway, just look up and say, "I noticed how much you love your comics, and I thought I'd revisit something from my childhood and start collecting and playing with dollies. You're here just in time, I needed someone to be Ken and that cute neighbor wasn't home."
Awesome!!
Submitted by Lipton on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 10:03am.
I am totally cracking up. I can do this too. He woudln't be able to handle it, but then he keeps insisting I get a new hobby since he does not approve of my political acitivism.
I wish I had
Submitted by misterbee241 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:27pm.
kept the comics i read from back in the 50s when i was a kid.
I could retire to a Pacific Island.
By the time i was out of high school, i had lost interest in comics completely.
~So, does the TV, comic book, video game
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:14pm.
trifecta apply to you?
And exactly what is the appeal of comic books, to a man your age? Do you like the ones you do just because they're based on something else you like? Or do you like the medium itself?
Not much for video games,
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:25pm.
Not much for video games, although the graphics are amazing.
I love the art of "Hunter," very cool. And I like to read the occasional hard-boiled mystery. So that series is perfect. I started buying the graphic novel collections of The Walking Dead because I heard about the TV show and was curious about the source material. And I looooove a great story, no matter what the medium.
I always liked the art in Peanuts and Calvin and Hobbes more than, say, Spider-Man.
~Great story
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:37pm.
Well then, I highly recommend David Copperfield and A Tale of Two Cities. Also, War and Peace, Out of Africa (the book), and Following the Equator by Twain. Let me know when you're done with those and we'll branch out. :-D
tsk tsk...
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:45pm.
you seem to be implying that no "great stories" have been written in the past 75 years! For shame!
⇒ That's true
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:50pm.
I can't watch David Copperfield. He looks too much like Barry Manilow.
On a serious note, "Lonesome Dove" was the best book I ever read.
Fun miniseries, too
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:39pm.
I can watch it over and over and over (and I do, I have the DVD).
We don't rent pigs.
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⇒ Yes, it was, Blonde
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:44pm.
I've never seen a more true-to-book rendition.
~Wow
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:32pm.
Good thing I erased Homer's "The Odyssey" from the list; otherwise you could have accused me of implying no great stories have been written in the past 2,500+ years.
Yes, I'm rolling my eyes.
⇒ It's OK, Bru
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:38pm.
I saw "O Brother, Where Art Thou"
~Is that you, Pete?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:40pm.
.
⇒ I'm a Dapper Dan man
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:47pm.
.
He's a suitor!
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:57pm.
*
~Yeah, but are you bona fide?
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:02pm.
Hubby talked me into watching that movie shortly after we were married, which took some doing since I despised Clooney. I still do, but I'll admit he was funny in that one.
Homer did always know how to
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:44pm.
Homer did always know how to write for Clooney!
⇒ Sure could, Bos
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:49pm.
And the only line he keeps for himself is Doh!
I'm too conditioned by
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:14pm.
I'm too conditioned by facebook... I was looking for the *like* button!
isn't this thread about
Submitted by TruthMonger on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 11:12am.
isn't this thread about cartoon abortion...?
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Have read "Two Cities," which
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:59pm.
Have read "Two Cities," which was great, but I tend to gravitate toward more American authors. Just finished "Tender is the Night" by Fitzgerald.
~Fitzgerald is too much of a nihilist for me
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:28pm.
I was appalled by The Great Gatsby; there wasn't a single character I found likable, or even compelling. You'd probably enjoy Jack London's The Sea Wolf, and seriously, Twain's Following the Equator is freakin' hilarious. Here's one of my favorite bits, where he hires a young Indian servant while traveling in India.....
All my heart, all my affection, all my admiration, went out spontaneously to this frisky little forked black thing, this compact and compressed incarnation of energy and force and promptness and celerity and confidence, this smart, smily, engaging, shiney-eyed little devil, feruled on his upper end by a gleaming firecoal of a fez with a red-hot tassel dangling from it. I said, with deep satisfaction -
"You'll suit. What is your name?"
He reeled it mellowly off.
"Let me see if I can make a selection out of it - for business uses, I mean; we will keep the rest for Sundays. Give it to me in installments."
He did it. But there did not seem to be any short ones, except Mousawhich suggested mouse. It was out of character; it was too soft, too quiet, too conservative; it didn't fit his splendid style. I considered, and said -
"Mousa is short enough, but I don't quite like it. It seems colorless-inharmonious - inadequate; and I am sensitive to such things. How do you think Satan would do?"
"Yes, master. Satan do wair good."
It was his way of saying "very good."
There was a rap at the door. Satan covered the ground with a single skip; there was a word or two of Hindostani, then he disappeared. Three minutes later he was before me again, militarily erect, and waiting for me to speak first.
"What is it, Satan?"
"God want to see you."
"Who?"
"God. I show him up, master?"
"Why, this is so unusual, that - that - well, you see indeed I am so unprepared - I don't quite know what I do mean. Dear me, can't you explain? Don't you see that this is a most ex - - "
"Here his card, master."
Wasn't it curious - and amazing, and tremendous, and all that? Such a personage going around calling on such as I, and sending up his card, like a mortal - sending it up by Satan. It was a bewildering collision of the impossibles. But this was the land of the Arabian Nights, this was India! and what is it that cannot happen in India?
I'll definitely take
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:45pm.
I'll definitely take "Equator" under advisement.
I read Gatsby in high school, don't remember much, but Tender is the Night isn't exactly brimming with likable people, either.
I will say
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:29pm.
"Two Cities" is my favorite Dickens-which puts it high on my list of favorite books. But I personally tend to gravitate towards non-fiction. Most of the reading I do is magazines and non-fiction books. I get enough fiction from the comics, tv, movies, and video games!
One of my absolute favorites is Gerard Jones' "Men of Tomorrow" which chronicles the birth of the comic book industry. Not all of my reading is comic book based... just my favorites! Anyway, I highly recommend it-its fascinating-even if you're not too interested in comics!
Not to answer for Bal
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:35pm.
But I can't pass up any conversation involving comics-I love TV, video games, and comics... alot!
I've read comics for years-and its a particular fondness for the medium, not just the material. Basically I love long-form storytelling. That's also why I love tv-I love following characters over a period of time-I love watching complex story arcs play out. As much as I also love movies, I'd take comics and tv over movies any day.
So conservatives can't make their own comics?
Submitted by mandrake on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:15pm.
Imagine the possiblities..Buffy the libtard slayer,she slays them one by one until finally she can get to the ultimate..the Obamapire!
~Conservatives are not steeped in fantasyland
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:17pm.
unlike some people.
Really
Submitted by mandrake on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:32pm.
I don't even know what that means. If not for fantasy, I would never had met my wife. Fantasy and imagination is what drives us forward. So you're sayng conservatives have no fantasy?
~Reading comprehension, darling
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:36pm.
My statement: "Conservatives are not steeped in fantasyland".
Mandrake: "So you're sayng conservatives have no fantasy?"
>.<
No. I'm saying what I said.
Oh yeah, as a conservative, I have numerous ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:38pm.
fantasies that are specifically, exclusively, and justifiably related to liberal Democrat politicians.
None of which are printable in this venue.
MD
That is a shame
Submitted by mandrake on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:49pm.
That you don't have a venue to let out your fantasies against liberal Democrat politicians. Got to find a way to let it out! I think DrSam would agree.
Like Bru said, mandrake, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:04pm.
best you concentrate on improving your reading comprehension.
I said nothing about having NO venue to let out my fantasies.
Focus.
Or would that action, currently, be rendered pointless; given your self appointed debarkation date?
MD
⇒ I don't get it, mandrake
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:49pm.
If not for fantasy, I would never had met my wife.
What was she before you fantasized her into something else?
Cool ,Huh because
Submitted by mandrake on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:08pm.
I was a computer geek/nerd and she was way out of my league. So I had this fantasy that I could make it work, so I went ahead and asked her out anyway..and it worked!
I'm afraid to ask what you consider way out of your
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:12pm.
league... it sounds like your "fantasy" was more in the shape of predetermined "plan" but call it what you will.
My ex thought there were fantasies all around her hence why she is my ex... hmmm, be careful what you put in print.
~You do realize
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:17pm.
that fantasizing about it accomplished nothing; it was your actions that made it work.
Visualization, toots
Submitted by iFight on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:02pm.
First man visualizes, then man makes move. Had the fantasy gone sour his confidence might have gone with it.
~Um, the whole point of a fantasy
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:08pm.
is that it doesn't go sour.
Not necessarily
Submitted by iFight on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:15pm.
The 40-Year Old Virgin had a pretty hilarious scene showing a fantasy gone awry.
~Oh well
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:21pm.
If it was in a movie, especially a Steve Whatsisface movie, it has to be true. You convinced me.
I now think that millions of men across the land are fantasizing about being big, fat, hairy disappointments whom their gorgeous fantasy women shrink from in repulsion.
What??
Submitted by Tugboat Phil on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 10:23pm.
I now think that millions of men across the land are fantasizing about being big, fat, hairy disappointments whom their gorgeous fantasy women shrink from in repulsion.
Millions of men fantasize about being ME? Weird.
Well then that settles it... man makes move than
Submitted by gmaniac1 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 7:53pm.
man loses if it goes sour... wow what a revelation about fantasies.
LOL, mandrake
Submitted by Blonde on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:21pm.
Here in the US, we football fans call that "outkicking my coverage".
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Buffy has gone way down hill
Submitted by Lee123 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:17pm.
She didn't even have sex on the TV show. Well, maybe with Angel but it was off camera. Now it sounds like she banged everybody at the party and has no idea which one is the daddy. That's really sad.
She actually sex a few times
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:23pm.
She actually sex a few times on camera during the show.
If you read the EW article, it explains a little more surrounding the situation and Buffy's life, why she made some poor decisions, etc.
Apparently, bal, one must be a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 6:41pm.
comic book junkie to understand your first sentence.
MD
Lee123, I use to watch Buffy
Submitted by Liberallies on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:32pm.
Lee123,
I use to watch Buffy way back...the show as sort of good, but then it became really strange. Lesbian witches and Buffy had sex with all the lead actors of each season, sometimes quite graphic for television, especially with Spike. I stopped watching and never cared for it.
I must admit that I went to the spin-off, Angel and liked it a lot more and the show stayed away from social issues, as far as i can remember.
Buffy was a pretty good show
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:17pm.
Unfortunately it ran its course like Charmed and Xena
I love the show Bones whose lead character is played by the actor that played Angel.
~Yiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyiyyi!
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:19pm.
I hope that guy has a more masculine name in that role...
i hate the fact that i find you annoying
Submitted by shawn. on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:32pm.
.....but you can still make me laugh from time to time ;-)
The show is like CSI but they deal with bones.
Bones has had some pretty
Submitted by Liberallies on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:34pm.
Bones has had some pretty good believe in God vs. Atheist episodes. House did too. For the most part, they seemed very respectful to both sides and in some cases portraying the Atheist foolish and arrogant.
⇒ Xena
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:39pm.
I think Xena started to sink when gay women started slobbering all over their sets.
yeap...a place that Hercules
Submitted by Liberallies on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:46pm.
yeap...a place that Hercules never went to. Xena attempted to shove down lesbianism down the throat of WGN watchers, where I saw it here in Chicago and it went south fast.
Lucy Lawless is one strange and wacked out actress. i saw one episode of Spartacus and my goodness, XXX all the way. Blocked the show from my household. Talk about hollywood ruining a great Ancient Roman history.
~It's all part of my charm
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:43pm.
Relentlessly 'nice' people are boring.
I collect comics.
Submitted by dave_worrell on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:52pm.
I'm 40 and still collect comics. It's a storytelling medium that's unique in its form. Most comic book fans are adults these days. I don't buy the Buffy series, but this was reported earlier.
Whedon won't be writing the series. He just kind of oversees it in some way I couldn't begin to describe. Kind of like he would if he produced a tv show but didn't write or direct any episodes.
I don't think there was some wild, drunken orgy where Buffy had sex with everyone. I think there was a wild party where she got drunk and may have slept with someone but doesn't remember. It doesn't make her heroic, but it's slightly better than the other way. Slightly.
I'm not sure if it's definite that Buffy is having an abortion. She intends to have one. Being that the book is about supernatural dealings and the father of the baby unknown, there's speculation that there's a mystical element to it. Apparently the Angel tv show (spin-off of Buffy ten years or so ago) had a similar arc where a vampire character was pregnant and they even tried to have an abortion, but it didn't work because of the supernatual aspect of the pregnancy. I'd honestly rather have her have a successful abortion than have them go with some bastardization of an Immaculate conception or her giving birth to an anti-Christ-like character.
There are conservatives who write comics. Bill Willingham is arguably the most successful at the moment. He writes Fables, a critically acclaimed series for DC's Vertigo imprint. It's pretty good. Used to be very good. And a lot of liberals don't buy it because they see some kind of conservative slant to it in every issue. That's hogwash. I'm conservative and only have seen two or three things in the entire run of the series that struck me as a real conservative message. Willingham actually wrote an Angel comic book series a year or two back, but quit after...well, there were harsh feelings and words over some cross-company issues.
Willingham was a contributor to Breibart's Big Hollywood site, but hasn't written anything for it in a couple years.
Here's a one act play he wrote for it back in 2009 concerning abortion:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/bwillingham/2009/03/20/the-choice/#mor...
I didn't know that about Bill
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 7:58pm.
I didn't know that about Bill Willingham, but it doesn't surprise me. I'm a liberal and I love comics... and I particularly love Fables-one of my favorite books of the past 5 years or so!
Poor Bill has been screwed by Hollywood though-they were moving forward on a pilot of Fables (a comic I'd looove to see made into a show)-but they dropped it suddenly... and now there are 2 Fables knockoff series (Grimm and Once Upon A Time).
I totally forgot about
Submitted by balboa on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:01pm.
I totally forgot about Fables. I've read one of those and it was great. And Sandman! ...I've read more comics than I thought.
Sandman's one of my
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:18pm.
Sandman's one of my favorites! One of my favorite things even! I love Sandman more than I do almost every other work of fiction!
in defense of comic book readers
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:13pm.
Bru and others, I understand some of your comments about comic book readers but I gotta come out in defense of them.
It's no different than anyone else with a hobby of one kind or another, much like sports fans, movie fans, cooking fans, novel fans, whatever. And each one of them can say comments about the others, some rude and crude or not. So what?
One thing to remember, comics, like books in a bookstore have varying degrees of maturity whether for kids or adult. Just like TV shows too. These days, it's about appreciating the story, or art, or just a way to get away from reality for a while. Again, no different than movies or TV.
Comic book collectors, if they get or have the right ones, can make a lot of money, just like someone who collects coca cola items or world war 2 stuff, whatever. Just watch pawn stars, you'll get an idea what I mean. Others, it's just something fun to do.
Don't get me wrong, there are some really whacked out comics, but they aren't the only comics.
And I too am a bit of a collector but not much. Just enough to enjoy reading them for some downtime away from this depressing reality we are finding ourselves in.
So Buffy decides to have an abortion, in accordance with whatever the writers decide. That's all well and good, but there are times they will take a chance and if the fans don't like it, those that make Buffy might see a drop in sales and and increase of unfavorable fan mail. I don't read this one so it could go either way.
Relax, let the fans decide what they want to do. If they continue to buy them, or not, that's capitalism in action.
-Jon
Amen, sir
Submitted by LinTaylor on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 5:38pm.
I think the problem with most forms of "geek media" is the common assumptions that outsiders have, usually to the effect of "It's for kids, you're an adult, put down the kiddie picture books and grow up". Tell someone you enjoy animation, and they'll think you're a brain-damaged manchild who drools over Spongebob without even considering that there might be cartoons aimed at an older audience. The same goes for anime, which tends to evoke responses of "You mean that Pokemon stuff where the big-eyed schoolgirls get molested by squids?"
Likewise, I'm a fan of Tokusatsu, which most would probably call "that Power Rangers stuff", and gets me snark even from friends I've had for decades. The general response is disbelief that I somehow failed to notice that these shows are about Japanese stuntmen in spandex costumes karate-kicking Godzilla rejects. But most of those people operate off of assumptions that have been in place for years, and zone out when you try to point out examples of good writing and characterization in these shows. Either way, I'd still rather watch this stuff than a good chunk of what passes for entertainment nowadays, including inexplicably popular trash like Jersey Shore and Glee.
Amen to your Amen! The
Submitted by BosTarus on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 5:54pm.
Amen to your Amen!
The "childish" accusations grow tired after a while.
A question about comic books
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:24pm.
Is the anime (I'm not sure of the spelling) the same as comic books, but longer? It looks very similar to me.
Comics have a role in learning to read. Using the pictures to supplement understanding can help with comprehension, not to mention hold the interest of a child.
anime is Japanese animation
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:39pm.
You might be confusing that with manga(pronounced mahn-juh) which is a Japanese style of comics.
Otherwise longer comics(as you say) would be graphic novels, which are usually the equivalent of 4-6 comic books. Sometimes more.
-Jon
Jon
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:43pm.
thank. I see them in bookstores all the time and have bought a few for my son when he was a teen to encourage him to read and improve his interest and comprehension.
You're thinking of
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:39pm.
You're thinking of Manga-which is just Japanese comics. Anime is Japanese animation, like Dragonball Z or Spirited Away.
Also, comics play more of a role than just learning to read-its another medium with which to tell a story. Its not just an in-between before you learn to read books.
Bos
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:41pm.
You put more meaning into my words than I did.
hey! Jon got a "thank you"
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:47pm.
hey! Jon got a "thank you" and I got a put down! I call shenanigans!
: ]
Submitted by Boudin on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 8:53pm.
Happens
Boudin ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:11pm.
a liberal as a victim.
Amazing. :o)
MD
~It might have had something to do
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:02pm.
with the over-defensive bridling.
I wasn't aiming for
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:11pm.
I wasn't aiming for "over-defensive bridling"... just "a-little-defensive bridling"! My bad-I often confuse the two!
~Could have been worse
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:18pm.
Some dipshit could have call you 'toots'.
Ha! Fair point!
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:24pm.
I may have many flaws-but even on my worst day, I wouldn't have the gall to call anyone "toots".
Bos
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:22pm.
A put down? My you are a sensitive one aren't you? I thought it was just a comment. Trust me, a put down is much, much harsher.
But here, :)
Better?
I thank you, sir.
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:24pm.
Emoticons heal all wounds.
~Dude
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:26pm.
You just put your foot in it. 'Sir' is a 'Ma'am'.
oh dear...
Submitted by BosTarus on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:29pm.
my apologies. I just keep digging this hole deeper!
~Well...
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:32pm.
Look on the bright side. You're a liberal on a conservative site, so you obviously didn't come here looking to make new friends. Be happy; it's working!
Bos
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:32pm.
My skin is a bit thicker than that. Nothing in my screen name speaks to gender. However, should you and I meet in person and you called me sir...
actually it was what you said...
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:42pm.
When you mentioned your son about bookstores and comics, if I didn't know you, I would have guessed you were a mom. Chances are always possible that you could have been a dad but something about the way you said it made me think "mom" though. ;-)
It's all about reading between the lines I guess.
-Jon
Jon
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:47pm.
How funny, you just had me making a list of the kind of things my husband bought my son through the years. Hess trucks, sports equipment, erector set, etc. I don't think he ever bought Tim a book! LOL Men and women are different, I don't care what they say.
Good eveming Rad
Submitted by cocodrie on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 11:50pm.
Thank God for the difference. That difference proves He loves us.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Coco
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 11:56pm.
Vive la différence!
oui oui Nanette
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 12:01am.
oui oui Nanette
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
oh dear*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:32pm.
Make sure your shoes are clean before you do that again!
O/T: Good to see you back.
Submitted by drsamherman on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:40pm.
Missed you there!
Hi doc*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:48pm.
No cheering yet. First thing I see is Obie One's budget. If this keeps up, I may not make it to November!!!! aarrrggggh
it'd be best to stop
Submitted by jon_torlin on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:38pm.
Might be a good idea to stop while you're ahead before you dig yourself in over your head.
Getting caught between Rad and Bru is not a good place to be when you've stepped in it. And believe me, these ladies can hold their own.....not that the other ladies on here couldn't (unless they were liberal and we know who those are!) because they certainly can.
-Jon
~Hahahahaha!
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 11:21pm.
"Caught between Rad and Bru"
For some reason that brought the old "between the devil and the deep blue sea" expression to mind.
Did you want me to buy you a beer?
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:31pm.
.
Ask for ID first Ms Rad*
Submitted by cajun2 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:37pm.
Remember, this is a thread about comic books!
cajun!
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 02/13/2012 - 9:49pm.
I will indeed. Good to see you here!
Another Choice?
Submitted by WhatTheHuh on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:02pm.
"In another interview with Entertainment Weekly, Whedon admitted that his desire in publishing the abortion story was to strike a blow for “women’s rights,” declaring: “I don’t think Buffy should have a baby. I don’t think Buffy can take care of a baby. I agree with Buffy."
Then why doesn't Buffy have the baby and give it up for adoption? How come liberals never suggest that scenario?
For the first time in a long time it was recently shown that more people are against abortion. I think that's why you are starting to see this type of stuff coming out more and more. Those who support Pro-Choice see where the winds are blowing and they are hunkering down for a fight. However, I think it's a mistake for people like Whedon to use their work to get their message across. People see it as propaganda; an attempt to sneak in your politics to a captured audience (fans of your work). People don't want to see or read that in their entertainment choices.
To be fair, Whedon never
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:55pm.
To be fair, Whedon never actually says the words "strike a blow for 'women's rights.'" Here's the Q&A that led to that quote:
Q. Did you always know that she would be getting an abortion, or did you ever contemplate the notion that she would keep the baby?
A. No. I think strongly that teen pregnancy and young people having babies when they are not emotionally, financially, or otherwise equipped to take care of them, is kind of glorified in our media right now. You know, things like Secret Life [of an American Teenager] and Juno and Knocked Up – even if they pretend to deal with abortion, the movies don’t even say the word “abortion.” It’s something that over a third of American women are going to decide to have to do in their lives. But people are so terrified that no one will discuss the reality of it — not no one, but very few popular entertainments, even when they say they’re dealing with this issue, they don’t, and won’t. It’s frustrating to me.
Bal
Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 2:03pm.
Is Whedon saying one third of American women are going to decide to have abortions?!
Yeah, I don't know the
Submitted by balboa on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 2:17pm.
Yeah, I don't know the accuracy of his figures.
Adoption?
Submitted by America47000 on Tue, 02/14/2012 - 1:59pm.
Whedon says he tried to balance the storyline by having Buffy consider keeping the baby. Except she never considers adoption. The storyline struck me as a very deliberate in-your-face attempt to be shocking with a controversial message. To me it landed with a big thud because it seems contrary to everything we've seen about these characters before. Buffy has always had a need to protect "innocent life." And on Angel, the vampire Darla was positively affected by the soul of her unborn child, implying a humanity before birth that gels more with the pro-life message.
The whole setup, with the party and unknown father, is just badly written. I actually wonder if they could have done this on the TV show because I couldn't imagine Sarah Michelle Gellar spouting the dialogue given to Buffy in the story.