USA Today Ignores Anti-Religious Hatred of Tebow
Many journalists recognize that Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow has become a lightning rod for religious conflict in America. What some columnists seem less willing to recognize is the intense hatred that he has engendered among those offended by his Christianity.
A Dec. 6 USA Today article by Reid Cherner, "Why Tebow Stirs Debate," acknowledged that Tebow's very public expressions of faith have caused intense religious controversy, and made some people uncomfortable. Cherner also quoted former Broncos quarterback Jake Plummer criticizing Tebow for excessively preaching his outspoken religious faith.
But the article only mentioned the angst Tebow's religion might cause other people. It whitewashed the anti-religious anger and vitriol Tebow himself has faced.
Hatred against Tim Tebow is ever-present among many. One sportswriter compared Tebow's evident faith in God to blasphemy. Anti-Tebow websites and Twitter memes blast the quarterback as a loser. Detroit Lions linebacker Stephen Tulloch mocked Tebow after sacking him by mimicking Tebow's trademark prayerful pose.
Some NFL analysts have been quick to dismiss Tebow as a flash in the pan and not a real NFL quarterback, even after his 6-1 record since taking over for the Denver Broncos. Merril Hoge declared that "I haven't seen any improvement. His gimmicks are working now. But when you have to play real football, he won't be able to do it." Before the Broncos-Vikings game on Dec 4, Terry Bradshaw said of Tebow that "he's actually a fullback playing quarterback, but it doesn't matter because all he does is drop back and look for Eric Decker." (A few hours later, Tebow passed for 202 yards in a win against the Minnesota Vikings - only 25 of them went to Eric Decker.)
But other NFL analysts have admitted that Tim Tebow is hated for his outspoken Christian way of life, not for his admittedly questionable mechanics. Former Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Cris Collinsworth argued that Tebow has been hated because of his faith, and lamented that Tebow was "a guy we're going to vilify." Stephen A. Smith, who has been critical of Tebow as a quarterback, argued in a similar vein: "When they look at the common athlete, and they say that there is no way they can live up to that - you know, you're wearing your religion on your sleeve, you're getting down on one knee, you're praising God at every turn - which I applaud, by the way - you're doing all these things, you're celibate, you're not going to engage in - oh! People aren't trying to hear that! They don't want to be subjected to those kinds of standards because in their heart of hearts, they don't want to be forced to have to live up to it."
This has been echoed outside the NFL world. Daniel Foster of National Review Online blamed the hatred against Tebow on his clean lifestyle, which flies in the face of fans' jaded conception of athletes. And in an online column for USA Today, Larry Taunton said of the QB's detractors, "Their dislike for Tim Tebow is not, as they would have us believe, about his throwing motion or his completion percentage; it's all about his open professions of faith and his goody-two shoes image."
Tim Tebow has thrust religious controversy into football. But commentators like Cherner should acknowledge where the angry, strident voices in that controversy are coming from.
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Haters gonna hate.
Submitted by WarEagle66 on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 5:24pm.
Look, I am not a Florida Gator fan. Nor am I a Denver Broncos fan. I never will be.
It is clear that people hate Tebow because he is GOOD. He's a good guy. Plain and simple. Plus, Timmy Tebow can play football, and he does it well. He is breaking the preconceived notions that all the experts said he couldn't be successful in the NFL.
The boy can play ball. That's it. And he's a nice guy.
Look at all the other players who pound their chests and point to the sky after they score. What are they pointing at? Did anyone of these experts ever ask them? How about when they kneel in the end zone after scoring...what are they doing?
Most likely
Submitted by BBallleaper on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:05pm.
thanking God that the recent paternity test with the hooker was negative and that the refs didn't see the gun he had stashed in his pants. I assume the pointing to the sky is their way of showing solidarity with Calypso Louie and the Mother Ship!
There are some people in this
Submitted by Lakewood Ed on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 5:35pm.
There are some people in this world who don't like religions and religious people. They do not like the idea of having have rules and morals defined by something greater than and outside of themselves.
They create their own rules so they have the freedom to re-define them whenever the need arises, avoiding the guilt that comes from a niggling commandment or teaching or scripture or whatever.
When they see see somebody steadfast in their belief, they see somebody better them and thus the need to tear that person down.
You could be right, Ed
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:06pm.
I found this quote curious:
"They don't want to be subjected to those kinds of standards because in their heart of hearts, they don't want to be forced to have to live up to it."
Huh? Who's being forced to live up to anyone else's standards?
As some of the other quotes admit, Tebow's success on the field while openly professing his devotionb to his faith is what drives the media's hatred for him. The MSM image of Christianity is one to be ridiculed. They want him to fail because he is an iconic Christian athlete, and he's not intimidated by the haters.
It's similar to their crazy obsession with Palin. The more they attack the target, the stronger they seem to come back.
On a related thought, I don't recall any sportscasters commenting on the MLB players (mainly Latinos) who cross themselves and point toward Heaven after each home run. Or thanking God in their post-game interviews.
Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire come to mind...
Submitted by FearMonger on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:54pm.
period.
→ Point, FearMonger
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:03pm.
Both of whom received their god as a deep-tissue injection.
I think what Smith meant by the comment
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:35am.
Is that most people don't want their consciences nagging at them. As long as they can make themselves believe that "everyone is doing it", (read: immoral behavior), then they are doing no wrong.
Seeing Tebow reminds them that they are going against morality and their consciences.
ironically, the conscience of
Submitted by TruthMonger on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:59pm.
ironically, the conscience of a Christian is clear thanks to Jesus - Tebow haters could enjoy the same freedom - but in their pride they would rather cut of their noses to spite their face...
Tebow prays for them i imagine...
Congratulations Jimmy Carter!
Lakewood Ed
Submitted by MacWell on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 7:17am.
Excellent post.
You hit the nail on the head Ed?
Tebow
Submitted by Jersey Girl on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 5:35pm.
This 75 year old broad just ordered a Tim Tebow action figure.....for herself.
GO TIM GO
Where
Submitted by rance on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:07pm.
Where can I get one?
"Jake the Snake"
Submitted by FearMonger on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 5:45pm.
earns his nic.
I will never ever forget...
Submitted by BBallleaper on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:02pm.
the day Jake Plummer was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame!! What's that you say? Plummer was a third-rate loser? Gee, I must have him confused with someone with talent. Are you sure he wasn't inducted......oh,...you ARE sure. Gee he seems so knowledgeable......
Not that my perception is based on a scientific analysis...
Submitted by Jer on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:16pm.
but it seems to me the level of criticism of Tebow's displays of faith decreases in inverse proportion to the rate of increase in the Broncos' winning percentage.
Jer
Good Point!
Submitted by Lord-come-soon-... on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 8:41pm.
I'll also say this about Tebow. I have a 19 year old daughter and I would be thrilled to have Tim Tebow for a son-in-law. And I would say that even if he were a custodian or a clerk at 7-11. He is a Godly, respectful and upstanding guy. Tim - email me for my daughter's cell #!!!!
The guy's work ethic
Submitted by FearMonger on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:20pm.
puts James Brown to shame, he knows his limitations and his attitude is as good as it gets.
What's not to hate?
I like Tebow even though the
Submitted by okie-pastor on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:22pm.
I like Tebow even though the Gators beat my Sooners (which hasn't been that hard, here lately). The Christian Standard flies in the face of pop culture, a culture that celebrates and glorifies immoral behavior. Keep it up Tim!
Tebow's critics can't find God for the same reason a thief can't find a police station
I wish this young man luck,
Submitted by Henry Clay on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:36pm.
I wish this young man luck, even if he is a Bronco. Continue to drive the Heathens crazy.
Sorry Paul Wilson....you are WRONG!
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 6:37pm.
Tim Tebow has thrust religious controversy into football.
THAT is not correct. Timmy hasn't thrust anything anywhere. I really would like to see you rewrite that last sentence. Because it is just wrong.
Tim is who is he is, and who he always has been. It is not Timmy who has created the controversy....it's the sports media. Which, of course, isn't "media" at all....it's entertainment. And the sports media has been spinning lies, tales, and controversy about Tim since he came on the national scene as a highly touted recruit (Florida and Bama).
Since then, he played on one National Championship team (as a freshman behind Chris Leak, playing in special "spread" situations). Won the Heisman Trophy as a sophomore (a first)....and then led the Gators to another National Championship as a Junior. Defying the usual "take the money and run", he stayed around for his senior season (The year of Urban Xanax, but that's a sad story for another day).
He then was chosen in the first round of the NFL draft, despite all of the "media" and their incessant criticisms. He played a bit at the tail end of his rookie year, raising the level of play of his teammates to salvage a horrendous season. This year, after much (yada yada yada) controversy....he's been the Denver starter....and those who didn't believe in THE TEBOW now do. He has a not very talented Denver team on the verge of the playoffs.
Yet the media continues to pick nits about everything the young man does. To Merril Hoge, I send you a big fat F. U. You are a crappy analyst, and you weren't even as good of a fullback as Timmy is....even though he doesn't play that position, you fool.
I had a great tape of Tim talking about Jake's snotty comments....to which he said something to the effect of "I thank him for his compliments about me as a player, but I'm never going to change who I am".
As a final note (me being the resident Tebow expert). Tim Tebow IS A ROLE MODEL. And he knows he is. His standard line has always been, for kids who want to emulate his success...."Keep your priorities straight. Your faith, first. Then your family. Then your studies. And last is football. Take care of those priorities, and in that order."
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You're right , Blonde
Submitted by Galvanic on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:21pm.
The script they wrote for Tebow is "College phenom; professional flop," and he won't follow the script. Were it not for his open profession of faith, he would be hailed as a potential MVP.
And he's made a 'believer' of some, including HoF QB Dan Marino, and apparently he's convincing his teammates that he's the real deal.
Football as are all sports,
Submitted by rockyracoon on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 7:13pm.
Football as are all sports, professional and otherwise, is results only oriented endeavor. Bill Parcells once said, "you are what your record says you are." So I have a feeling that there is a bit of jealousy involved with Tebow's recent gridiron success and they're using the religion angle as a base to criticize him.
For the record, I'm not a Bronco fan, but am becoming a Tebow fan.
Facts are like kryptonite to the liberal.
I guess one Religious NFL player is just too much
Submitted by boscokraft on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 7:49pm.
for the anti-christian Left. It used to be that the role models were more like Mr Tebow, and the ostrasized were the druggies, and the gangsters. What a country. Hey if you dont like Tim Tebow go suck it America. You wonder why crime and gangsters are out of control in AMerica.. Look in the Mirror. Look and see who are heros are and who they should be.
Wouldn't be an issue
Submitted by Mike009 on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:34pm.
If Mr. Tebow were a devout Muslim who bowed toward Mecca every time he scored a touchdown his faith wouldn't be an issue.
Let's get real here: Tebow became a target for the Left after he made a Superbowl commercial that contained a pro-life message. That's what the intense hatred of Tebow is really about - abortion.
Rambles for Tebow
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 8:37pm.
I am not at all religious. But I am a huge fan of the Broncos and have been for the past 25 years. And as far as I am concerned, the criticism lofted at Tebow has, at its root, his religion. To which I say: so what?
IMHO, the most important quality a QB can have in football is "it". A lot of guys can throw the ball a long way with great accuracy, and are very athletic, can throw on the run, and so on. But how many have "it"? Tim Tebow has "it", because in the games he has won, at key points he has taken over the game and became a force to be reckoned with.
The one game I have been able to watch all the way through (hard to get Bronco games down here in TX) was the Jets game on the NFL Network some weeks back. And on that last drive, he took over by the force of his presence. It was a crazy, and beautiful, thing to behold. It reminded me of when Elway himself would do the same thing.
It is hard to say where "it" comes from, or if "it" can indeed be made or taught. But again, IMHO, Tebow's "it" comes from his faith. What makes him cool as cucumbers, even when under the gun to perform, is his belief that it's all in God's hands. Tebow has said as much in the huddle and I cannot help but think that this removes the pressure from him and his teammates to perform. At that point, they just do. They just act. They just execute.
I am not religious because in the end I just don't get it. But more power to those who are. I can certainly respect that. And that Tebow puts God and Jesus as the cornerstone of his personality and how he goes about life is 100% fine with me. That he is vocal about this only shows me how much this is a part of him and likewise does not bother me. But I think this upsets a whole lot of people for reasons I cannot comprehend.
Going back to the Jets game - the criticisms the NFL talking heads on the channels and the papers lofted at him were idiotic. "He's not accurate", for instance. I have seen Tebow throw passes that are spot-on - that the WRs, TEs and RBs cannot close the sale by catching the ball is not the fault of Tebow. Is this considered remotely by the so-called "experts"? No. That's just one key example.
Note his passing yards are slowly inching upward, and he is making more and better passes - something I expect to continue as he gets comfortable with his receivers and with the rigors of a typical game. What I am really looking forward to is a stretch where he can string together a series of 300 yard passing games, because I suspect that will force the critics and other unbelievers to shut up and serious check themselves.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Unsane
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:34am.
I found the interview where Tebow responds to Plummer's comments...and also gets into how his faith affects his play on the football field, which is basically as you've described, above.
It's a really interesting interview. Timmy is just being Timmy. There is no agenda there. He just wants to play great ball right now in his life, and when this part of his life is done, he'll go on and do great things with his Foundation, as his mentor and idol (former Heisman Winner & Gator Danny Wuerffel) has done.
And here's a list of the BEST SEC PLAYERS OF ALL TIME. Hmmmm. Who's at the top of that list, eh?
Week 14 Quarterback Rankings.
Not bad at all, inasmuch as Fox won't let him throw very much.
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Tebow has the support of his teammates
Submitted by RESTLESS 1 on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:45am.
And while he would never say it, I will; the rest can go f$$%k themselves.
I'm not a Broncos fan, but I am rooting for Tebow.
Leadership
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:17am.
I know a few Broncos fans around here and all say the same thing: they credit the D for their drastic improvement.
And yes, they have a point, but as I point out to them: I think they are playing harder because they see what the O is doing when they get the ball. Meaning, when Tebow pulls off a miracle drive in the fourth quarter to put the team in the lead, the D is not about the let the team down. They react to Tebow's efforts by upping their game.
A key ingredient of QBing is leadership, and Tebow has that in spades.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Collinsworth and Plummer are both Losers!
Submitted by NJRightWinger12 on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 8:39pm.
Chris C was a second rate wide received whos only well known cause hes had a second career as a broadacaster, but hes a Cincinnati Bengal loser who never did anything with them,. Jake the Snake was awful-the only thing he used to do is beat my Eagles, but not too many other teams. But now, these clowns are uniting to diss one of the best role models in sports? So are alot of jerks on ESPN and other local sports stations. Especially the libs on Philly sports talk shows-my god, theyre merciless against him. What the HELL did he ever do to any of them?
But, as a previous poster wrote, if he was praying to Mecca, theyd laud him as some sort of God, or if he tweeted after every TD and talked about his beyatches, oh, he'd be so cool!
It's not all his religion
Submitted by Mashugana on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 8:47pm.
Crying on field after a loss, might not be a reason to hate someone. Wearing bible verses as eye black, again not a reason to hate, but it's there.
These days I find it hard to believe anyone could hate the kid. Fans like winners, and despite his quarterbacking inadequacies he's turned a big fat loser into a playoff hopeful. MVP honors are being thrown around.
However I am afraid his aversion to staying in the pocket preferring to scramble instead may eventually lead to a broken down Tebow early in his career. We'll see.
Could be, Mashugana
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 8:55pm.
Funny thing about that. I hadn't thought about the guy in more than 20 years, but a couple of weeks ago, I mentioned that Tebow reminded me of Joe Capp. A couple of days later, 74 yr. old Joe Capp's on the airwaves duking it out with an old nemesis from 30 years ago.
The old scrambler vs. pocket passer argument
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:02pm.
The stay-in-the-pocket-at-all-costs attitude, IMO, helped to cut short Aikman's career. Granted, Marino stayed in one year longer than Elway and he MAY have had 100 rushing yards his entire career. But then, I like scramblers. There are quite a few scramblers that have had long careers so that is not a concern to me as much as it is others. Additionally, you need a good offensive line to be an effective pocket passer. The O line in Denver is good but not great. It has nothing on the glory days of the late 1990s and even then the Broncos featured a scrambler named John Elway.
Where you see "quarterbacking inadequacies" I see "rookie". The guy hasn't even played a season yet - he only played in a few games that didn't matter last season, and, IIRC, he didn't even play complete games then. I think his game is getting better with each game, little by little. The way I see it, he should be given the reins for another season. If he still has trouble putting together a 300-yard game, fine, I think the Broncos can start looking at other QBs. But right now, he's playing smart football, his presence confuses the hell out of opposing Ds, he takes care of the football (only one INT and one fumble this whole time; by yours and other people's logic that punk Philip Rivers should be cut at the end of the season), and his passing game IS improving in spite of the fact that Denver has an inadequate receiver corps.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Pocket passers
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:08pm.
Who can move within the pocket are best, Like Brees, Brady, Manning (both of em), and Rogers. Brees and Rogers can run, but their main ambition is to pass.
BYW whats the matter with Rivers?
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:10pm.
Oh, are you still a Cutler fan : ]
Rivers and Cutler
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:24pm.
Rivers loves to talk trash. Good to see that he is having the season he is having. But then, the Chargers were dumb enough to think that Norv Turner is head-coaching material. Please also bear in mind that he is on a team that is one of my most hated rivals (not as badly as the Chefs and Raiduhs but the Bolts ARE in the AFC West).
And Cutler? He is to be pitied.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Pitied? No.
Submitted by Mashugana on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:28pm.
Forgotten, yes.
Vince Young
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:28pm.
I thought Vince Young did a great job against the Pats last week. Just looked like his receivers didn't want to catch the ball.
Au contraire
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:19am.
His receivers DID catch the ball.
Unfortunately for Young they were not wearing the same color jersey that he was.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
You watch them slobbering all over Turner last night?
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:33pm.
I (used) to be a huge Skins fan, until Norv ruined that team. He has done the same thing in SD, made pathetic trades and wavers as has ever been witnessed in the NFL. I even think Rivers has regressed. But yet those clowns last night were claiming he was a genius, it's enough to make you lose it.
Fortunately I missed that
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:45pm.
I missed all that - when the Bolts began blowing out the Jags I began doing work around the old pad with the game in the background. But had I been watching, I would have wondered what league the talking heads had been watching, as I do many times. I learned early on in my football following that the football media is oftentimes very wrong on many aspects of the game.
There are many people who, while they make GREAT coordinators, should NOT EVER be a head coach. Wade Phillips is one. Norv Turner is another.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Hi
Submitted by Mashugana on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:23pm.
No one likes a QB who can't run, and I don't think anyone argues for a "stayinthepocket" attitude. Take a look at Mike Vick's career and the number of hits he takes, not behind his O-line, but when he takes off running. Tebow is big enough to bowl over some guys for now, but he's getting hit A LOT harder than the college boys.
Rookie-shmookie. He was a 3 year starter in college and is now in his 2nd NFL season. Yes, first as a starter, but I don't buy this crap that EVERY OTHER POSITION can be a starter in the NFL...except QB. Then along comes a Cam Newton who disproves the theory. Look around the league at how many rookie QBs have had success over the past several years, and it's not because of their scrambling skills - it's the arm.
He's young, he has time to grow. Though at this time of the season they should just award Green Bay the Lombardi because it doesn't look like Rodgers can lose.
just award Green Bay the Lombardi
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:27pm.
What? If'in you dont mind, I think we should just let them play it out.
Can't believe we hear this
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:17am.
when just a few years ago a 16-0 team lost the Super Bowl
Ah yes. They were spanked
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 9:55am.
Ah yes. They were spanked by the Giants.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
One big difference
Submitted by Mashugana on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:02pm.
David Tyree won't be playing in this year's Super Bowl.
Tebow & the Pocket
Submitted by Blonde on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:31pm.
Timmy has never been a "pocket passer", but he's always been a VERY GOOD PASSER. His motion, as all of the experts continually whine about, is not "classic". But I believe you've seen him improve, week by week, as the game is slowing down for him a bit, and he's becoming more comfortable with his receivers. He's starting to get in the groove.
Tim's passing will continue to improve, and if Denver can pick up a couple of really good receivers, look out. He doesn't necessarily need a Harvin, but a couple of WR's like Riley Cooper or Aaron Hernandez would really help Tim's passing game. IOW, clutch players who are on the same wavelength. Although I've seen the whole level of the Denver offense come up through Timmy's sheer willpower and leadership alone.
As for worrying about Tim getting crunched....he gives better than he gets. The guy is 6'4" of pure muscle. I couldn't find the video I was looking for, where he was pushing a truck around up hills, but here's one which shows how hard he trains. He's the first one in and the last one out. No one will ever outwork him on the practice field or in a game. He is purely, A LEADER (and off the field too...which is what all of this media blather is about, they don't like his Christian values).
Unless he is totally blindsided, he's going to dish a lot more hurt than he'll receive. And he's beginning to understand the difference between running in the pros and in college.
Timmy will be fine. As we Gators have always said, the haters are going to hate. Tim doesn't care. It doesn't enter his mind, trust me on that.
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Exactly
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 9:41pm.
My sentiments exactly, Blonde. And perhaps I am biased because I grew up watching Elway - pocket passers bore me. I like them but they aren't as fun and game changing as a good scrambler.
Another thing Tebow didn't have is the luxury of developing timing with his receivers. You see a lot of mistakes early on in the season by all sorts of QBs who overthrow or underthrow their receivers due to timing issues. Tebow had to undergo the same adjustment, and now that he has - as well as figure out his favorite targets - his passing yards should only go up.
The thing I fear most is that both Fox and Elway are so committed to dumping Tebow that they go ahead and do it - the story is far from over, but I would be sick to my stomach if such a move looked like the Falcons dumping of a QB named Brett Favre, who Jerry Glanville called a "wasted draft pick."
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
Francis Asbury Tarkenton survived many---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:08pm.
an NFL season by being an adept scrambler.
Of course, he sometimes appeared as though he were running in fear for his life.
Probably was. :o)
MD
Speaking of running for your life,
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:33pm.
One word, ,,,,, Archie!
Good evening MD
Submitted by cocodrie on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:38pm.
Fran was always one of my favorites. The hoofbeats were always close behind.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
coco---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:53pm.
exactly.
Number 10 (with the Vikings) knew the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse were drawing near and reacted accordingly.
MD
Sure it's fun to runaround, but passers win the ring
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:32pm.
Even Elway had to get an offensive line, a running game, and a D, before he won any rings. His legs and arm could get him close, but not there.
Boudin---
Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:45pm.
agreed; but talking about the passing game always reminds me of the old school coach who favored always running the ball because "When you pass the ball, three things can happen - and two of them are bad". :o)
MD
3 Yards and a Cloud of Dust
Submitted by kilrod on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:02pm.
That "old school coach" might've been Daryl Royal of Texas U. But that was back when men were men and women were glad of it
Win or lose Tim Tebow will always have my respect and admiration.
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
Nice to see you Kirod
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:05pm.
Welcome back
Thanks Boudin
Submitted by kilrod on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:25pm.
Your're a good man, i enjoy your post.
kilrod "the Birther"
If an unborn child cannot trust you, why should I,??
I think a point is being missed
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:53pm.
Even scramblers throw the ball. Sure, Elway would throw, and would he ever throw the ball - but if the pocket collapsed and he had no one to throw to, he still moved the chains, by running for a first down if need be, giving himself three more opportunities to pass. And THAT is why I like scramblers.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
→ Me too
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:59pm.
Don Meredith was a character you could root for, but Roger the Dodger really had the heart for the game.
Well my point was
Submitted by Boudin on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:17pm.
Fran, Cunningham, Vick, Mcnabb, and quite a few others often had lots of rushing yards, but no Championships. Young and Staubach are the only ones who had significant yards and won it all. While I agree, that it's nice for a QB to be able to allude the rush and "turn nothing into something". The ones winning the most rings are sitting back and looking down field.
I have only had a few occasions to watch Tebow, but from what I have seen, he looks ok. His passes look fair, and he is making pretty good decisions. I honestly think he will be fine, IF he stays healthy.
A debate which will never be settled
Submitted by Unsane on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 11:48pm.
You forget Elway, who has something like 3000+ yards rushing, IIRC. He has two rings. His contemporary, Dan Marino, is a statistical monster among QBs, and might, MIGHT, have 100 yards rushing. And zero rings.
The debate over which is better, the pocket passer or the scrambler shall only continue. I still like the scrambler.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
"The debate over which is
Submitted by FearMonger on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 10:09am.
"The debate over which is better, the pocket passer or the scrambler shall only continue. I still like the scrambler. "
Big Ben is a good scrambler too and he already has what? 2 rings? I don't know that he piles up yardage but he definitely extends plays with his feet.
Now Cam Newton on the other hand... good grief that guy is gifted. I've watched every game he's played this year and I am blown away. He's the total package. In the words of Crash Davis... "Long legs and brains".
No tats, no piercings, no nonsense. He runs like Cunningham but he can throw a clothesline like Elway, plus he knows when to take the mustard off and loft one. A blast to watch... if you get up to relieve yourself/ grab a beer you're liable to miss something. Thank God for DVR!
I think Elway isn't very bright
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:05am.
But I really don't think he's stupid enough to dump Tebow with the fanbase solidly behind him at this point. If he did it, I do believe he'd be run out of town on a rail. Furthermore, I think Elway's "problem" with Tebow is that Tim has more star power in Denver than Elway does.....and Elway expected to be treated like the returning prodigal son. Oops.
I didn't see last Sunday's game (my links to illegal streams are on my laptop, LOL)....but I've seen some of the "old" Tim Tebow of late. He's reading the defense much better, and finding his secondary and tertiary receivers. As I said, the game is slowing down for him. Plus, his teammates are getting the sense of what he's going to do (when he breaks one)....IOW, the TEAM is gelling around him as their leader. From there it will only get better.
I haven't watched NFL ball in at least twelve years, but I'm watching now.
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More on Tebow
Submitted by Unsane on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:30am.
And conveniently for Gators fans, y'all do not have to change your colors when cheering for Tebow. :o)
Yeah, I suspect there might be a bit of envy in the case of John Elway. Which to me is stupid. His place among the Bronco faithful is secure, even if Tebow stays in Denver and puts together a Hall of Fame career there. And one thing else to consider is the man who signs Elway's checks: Pat Bowlen. I would not be surprised that if, say, the Broncos were somehow to win the AFC West with Tebow at the helm, Bowlen has - dare I say it? - a "come to Jesus" meeting with Elway and Fox, where Bowlen reads both of them the Riot Act, and assures them that Tebow is staying where he is, and if they don't like it, they can leave. Ironically, Bowlen's been there before - when forced to choose between Elway and Dan Reeves, he chose Elway and fired Reeves.
Bowlen is a smart enough guy and I don't think he is going to stand for coughing up Tebow if things keep progressing as they are.
I think the ENTIRE team is buying in and believing in Tebow. As I pointed out above, I know a bunch of Broncos fans who point to the improved D play as the reason for the turnaround. But in my mind, it is being inspired by the improved play of the O. And that is due to the presence of one Tim Tebow.
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I've become a huge fan of great defense
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:45am.
But without an offense, you can't win.
Our last game, we (the Gator D, who had their best game all year) held FSU's offense to less than a hundred yards of total offense, and still lost the game because a hapless John Brantley couldn't find OUR receivers, but he surely found FSU's DB's. About 4 times. This from Mr. Pure Pocket Passer, too.
Fox has designed a very simple game plan for Tebow. And Tebow is a consummate player, he won't freelance, he'll do what he's told. But he has been very careful about the football....and when the D plays well, as long as there aren't offensive turnovers...the game usually comes out the right way. It's coming together for the entire team, because, as you said, the D knows that the offense will either score or not, but won't allow the opposition to run up the score on offensive mistakes.
Tim raises the level of everyone on the field (and off, google "the speech"). Of course, I've seen it a bunch of times, but it's new to the Bronco fans. We Gators never, ever doubted The Tebow.
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The hatred of Tebow is way
Submitted by Pinetree3 on Tue, 12/06/2011 - 10:59pm.
The hatred of Tebow is way out of bounds, but I have to admit his public displays make me uneasy. It's like he's grandstanding.
Jesus: “Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).
But he's not
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:09am.
And THAT is the whole point.
It's a media made controversy.
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Blonde...don't you sense that a lot of the
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:19am.
hullabaloo over Tebow and religion has subsided? Even that "blasphemy" article written back in August and cited in the blog was complimentary in many respects.
Jer
Not really, Jer
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:10am.
It's been rather front and center of late, even BOR had a bit on it (last night, tonight? it's on in the background and my mom watches)...also Fox had several pieces on today during the day.
I think what's happening is that the haters who predicted failure have to keep moving the goalposts (so to speak) now that Timmy has a rather impressive winning record. Now it's "he can't win championships". Like that. And we get a couple of bigmouths snarking over his religion, because truly, we all know his passing motion isn't classic, and what with all of the wins, what else can they complain about?
But you know what....there are Tebow threads here, which always make my day, LOL.
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Ok, that's not fair J
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:27am.
I spent all that time digging up the links and I look like a Johnny-come-lately with my subject line! Lol
Jinx, baby!
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:56am.
GMTA and all that.
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Not really Jer
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:26am.
Nearly all he ESPN analysts dislike him- as does the NFL Network's guys and Showtimes Inside the NFL hosts. Yahoo Sports is terrible with the Tebowing thing; most of the written articles by sportswriters I've read are mocking, derisive, and in some cases, downright mean. They continue to talk about his praying no the field as though it's never been done before and there's some sort of Constitutional Separation of Church and Gridiron. If the cameras don't zoom in on it, the average viewer would never know he does this, yet "wears his religion on his sleeve" is the most common phrase I've seen and heard about this guy.
The typical Yahoo Sports Shutdown Corner article: "Oh sure, he wins games. The team has totally bought into Tim Tebow and they believe they can win every week. He's a winner, even if his mechanics aren't what a pro quarterback's should be and he wears his religion on his sleeve. By the way, did I mention he's ridiculously religious. He wears his religion on his sleeve."
Here's some actual samples:
Not really, Jer, Part III
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 2:00am.
I just hit my Gator boards, where someone had posted this....an article by Rich Lowry in the NYPost. If anything, the Tebow "hullaballoo" vis-a-vis religion may be accelerating.
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Not really, Jer, Part IV
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:46pm.
Found the BOR segment this a.m. on the Gator Boards.
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Okay, okay...Blonde. Response: Parts II, III, & IV
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 3:04pm.
in a nutshell--and only my personal perception--it seems I am hearing a good deal more positive remarks in general about Tebow lately from a number of sports commentators who, after a string of Bronco wins, may be eating a little crow over their relentless criticisms of his QB skills, and that has also translated to fewer swipes at his displays of faith.
Jer
You know why that is, Jer?
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:41pm.
It's because you are a Tebow fan, and have been wearing the Orange & Blue glasses in that regard, so your mind just tosses out the negative comments. Because, you're already in the "Never Doubt The Tebow" club....you automatically discount and ignore the haters (because you know they're wrong and foolish).
As for the sports commentators, they've all backed themselves into a corner, and all they have left are sour grapes.
That's a good thing!
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Blonde, I have been a Tebow fan BECAUSE of his strength of
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 4:59pm.
character, his religious and moral convictions, and his influence as a positive role model. Plain and simple, he's a good guy.
On the other hand, I had once predicted he would never play a single down as a pro QB. I'm happy to have been proved monumentally wrong.
Jer
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Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 8:20pm.
You must be the happiest guy in GA,
Blonde
Submitted by Cool Arrow on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:35am.
It's not a gaffe, but it may qualify as a goof that Jay Carney is not at liberty to articulate the President's stand on bestiality in the military.
OK, so he pardoned those turkeys. Is that sufficient evidence to give Jay Carney pause?
OMO, CA!
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 1:06am.
I don't know about a gaffe, but that surely cracked me up.
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Just one more Tebow Comment
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:54am.
Guess who's on the cover of the premier issue of NFL Magazine? Yep, right on. It was supposed to have been sCamnesty, until Tebow pulled off yet another miracle.
Hater's gonna hate!
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leave the kid alone
Submitted by gr29az on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 8:50am.
leave the kid alone for Gods sake
Race plays into this as well...
Submitted by b-dob on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 12:02pm.
I remember seeing many a quarterback come into this league who were iffy-at-best passers who used their legs to make plays. They were heralded as the new breed of quarteback, impervious to any criticism lest you be called a racist. Of course, Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb were black...