Krugman Brings His Brand of Bad Economics to GQ

Photo of Paul Detrick.

Economist and columnist for The New York Times Paul Krugman is interviewed in the September issue of GQ magazine where he says that he "has a very strong, economist's sense about the advantages of open markets," but claims a total shutdown in free trade would barely affect U.S. GDP. He also called for a shift to a high-tax Franklin Delano Roosevelt economy and universal health care.

On the income gap between rich and poor:

PAUL KRUGMAN: I have spent a lot of time looking back at what happened under FDR, when we narrowed the income gaps between rich and poor through stronger unions, wartime wage controls, and a change in tax policy. We can do some of that.

GQ: "Well, what happens if we let the income gap remain?"

KRUGMAN: It's bad for democracy. The ugliness of our politics is closely tied to the inequality of income. You start to get a society in which the elite is just not living in the same material universe as the rest of the population. The people who have the most influence are not interested in having good public services, because they don't use them. You just get a bad society.

The Business and Media Institute pointed out early this year that just because someone has more does not mean that someone else has significantly less:

Diana Furchtgott-Roth, former chief economist for the U.S. Department of Labor, on February 16: "This is not new to the 21st century; it has always been this way in America. Getting rid of inequality is practically impossible because there will always be low-skill workers entering the labor force." Furchtgott-Roth is now director of the Hudson Institute's Center for Employment Policy.

Economist Tyler Cowen boiled it down in the January 25 New York Times: "the broader philosophical question is why we should worry about inequality - of any kind - much at all." 

"Life is not a race against fellow human beings, and we should discourage people from treating it as such," Cowen wrote. "So why should economists promote this same zero-sum worldview?"

—Paul Detrick is a Research Analyst at the Business and Media Institute.


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Two things you can be sure

Two things you can be sure of with liberals:

A puerile understanding of economic principles.

A thorough knowledge of basic Marxist principles, except for the unintended consequences and actual results. 

 Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.

You nailed him (and them)

You nailed him (and them) on point and precisely.

 

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

Krugman "You start to get a

Krugman "You start to get a society in which the elite is just not living in the same material universe as the rest of the population" and I would say that is most of what his world is.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

Sort of like Gore and then

Sort of like Gore and then the rest of us? Is he impliying that all of the rich are of one political stripe and the poor another?

krugman

And this guy actually claims to be an economist?

Who reads GQ anyway...or

Who reads GQ anyway...or cares one wit about the leftist mental midget twit Krug?

Wait...I forgot....

Imus and msnbc always did....

...tells me all I need to know...

LMAO!

Ok Paul,  then start

Ok Paul,  then start doling out some of that cheddar you are making, because I'm sure you're salary is fairly compared to other know nothing idiots in this country, and I'm fairly certain you make more than me, so my mortgage payment is due by the 15th of every month.  Please don't be late making it, ok?

Former NY Times Ombudsman

Former NY Times Ombudsman Daniel Okrent had this to say about Krugs:

"Op-Ed columnist Paul Krugman has the disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers in a fashion that pleases his acolytes but leaves him open to substantive assaults."

Krugman Truth Squad:

http://www.nationalr...

FDR?

"...looking back at what happened under FDR..."

In 1941 unemployment was about as high as it was in 1933. Even PBS had to admit that it was WWII that got us out of the depression, not FDR.

Kurgman and his ilk refuse to face facts.  They won't accept obvious failures like the welfare state, the Soviet Union etc...  Their excuse for why socialism hasn't worked is that it hasn't been done correctly yet - and of course THEY know how to do it...

God, save us from these people!

Someone should ask Krugs

Someone should ask Krugs what he thinks about Franklin D. imprisoning all of those Japanese-Americans riaght after Pearl Harbor...if the evil Boosh had done such a thing, Krugs would be calling for his scalp!

Paul

Paul,

There's an obvious hypocrisy in Krugman's position that no one has pointed out yet: in the '30s, the gap between rich and poor shrank so much because the rich GOT POOR! That's what happens when you lose your job and all of your money in the stock market -- you GET POOR!

In reality, this is what the liberals want -- everybody but THEM to be poor! Then they'll be happy. ns

Gap in reasoning.

I was irked by that comment too.  I'm so sick of this whole "income gap" misnomer.  It has nothing to do with anything. 

Let's say the current  "income gap" is three times what it was in 1939.  So what?  There are also 20 times the number of millionaires, and 1/20 (or less) as many poor people. 

The so-called "income gap" is a non-issue the sole purpose of which is to stir up envy and hate.

Funny how the same people

Funny how the same people who constantly bemoan the gap between rich and poor seem to have no problem sanctioning the influx of uneducated immigrants who don't possess a pot to p*ss in.
PS: I do agree with his point about how the people who have the most influence are not interested in having good public
services, because they don't use them.

GQ?

What is the circulation of GQ?  Are they relevant?  If they are, who reads it? Are they relevant?

Paul Krugman probably didn't read "Dependendt on D.C." by Charlotte A. Twight.  An excellent book that outlines how instrumental FDR was in federal control over our daily lives.  He must be ignorant about how FDR made the depression worse. 

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”  Ronald Reagan 

GQ has a circulation of over

GQ has a circulation of over 700,000.

Demographics/Profile
Women 30%
Men 70%
College Educated 74%
Married 53%
Median Age 33
Median Household Income $64,155
Professional/Managerial 63%

"GQ is the authority on men's style and fashion. It is the only magazine that cultivates an audience of affluent, successful men who care about style and design and who want to engage the world. GQ informs, empowers and inspires men through groundbreaking features, approachable service pieces and exceptional journalism. The magazine is fueled by a belief that writer passion leads to reader passion, whether the subject is travel, food, fashion, politics or pop culture."

http://www.millard.c...

Del stats from GQ

Hmmmm 70% of 700,000 are there really 490,000 metro-sexuals in the US?

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Um, By definition, I

Um,

By definition, I don't think "metro's" would be caught dead reading this liberal rag.

I could be wrong ('tis true, as much as I hate to admit it!)

Nice math, tho.  You & I obviously attended quality schools.  :D

 

Blond

we can add probally one reason we're conservatives

metros  A man (esp. a heterosexual man) whose lifestyle, spending habits and concern for personal appearance are likened to those considered typical of a fashionable, urban, homosexual man.

fits with the % married?

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Bruce, I just don't get

Bruce,

I just don't get that.

Sorry...call me a girly girl, whatever.

My preference is for men who smell like men.  Good.  (clean...no ref to Barak).  Not like perfume.

This whole metro thing is hillarious.  A liberal fabrication.  Sheer idiocy!

I'd bet a year's paycheck that each and every one of you conservative men here would meet my criteria of what a "manly" man would be....regardless of height, weight, hairline, or whatever.

Conservative men are sexy men.  Smart men (sorry, I'm repeating myself) are sexy men.

Liberal men are girly, and sissified.  And that doesn't happen in my world.

 

Blonde

me either but, i'm not gonna lose sleep over it.

good night i'm out

"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house."       Groucho

Del, GQ's

Del,

GQ's demographics....eliminate the female readers (per your post, 30%...and sorry, I can't help the snarky comment, but this group must be the bull dykes), 490,000 men.

Sorry...but I have to ask, how many of these readers are straight?  5?  10?

I seriously have never met a "manly man"who was remotely interested in "fashion".  Real men know what fashion is without having to read about it.

These libs are just too silly for words.

Seriously, why would I ever be interested in anyone who would be interested in this?....GQ is the authority on men's style and fashion.

Unladylike gagging noises to accompany this post.

 

Thanks Del!

Thanks for the stats Del!

The quote says in part: "It is the only magazine that cultivates an audience of affluent, successful men who care about style and design and who want to engage the world."  My question to GQ is:  Who considers $64k affluent?  It's a good living, but I woudn't consider it affluent.

“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”  Ronald Reagan 

Not a homophobe but GQ is

Not a homophobe but GQ is for gays.  Krugman is nuts.  They deserve each other.

Not a homophobe but GQ is

Not a homophobe but GQ is for gays. Krugman is nuts. 

Ah... so naturally they love their nuts on GQ.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Check out my latest YouTube...but only if you support the troops and their mission: Better Men Than Me/The Battle For Fallujah

Gee, you think? I quit

Gee, you think?

I quit reading "Vogue" when I was about 25.

What idiot needs a magazine to mandate fashion?

By that point in life, one should have established one's own lifetime POV....which includes fashion, personal grooming (Oooh...a liberal failure, LOL!), and politics.

Well, hey, that's just me.  But I think the point stands on it's own.

 

 

GQ & Krugman

I thought GQ was only for the "beautiful people."  How did somebody as ugly as Krugman get in?

What next? Eleanor Clift in Playboy?

 <insert witty signature here>

Ewwwww!

"What next? Eleanor Clift in Playboy?"

EWWWWWW!

You owe me a meal. Or two,

You owe me a meal. Or two, as I won't be able to eat for at least a day after that mental image.

Why? why? why?

Why? why? why? WHY!?????


"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

Krug

Does this mean that the NYT is really going to take down the pay to read wall?

“we**> narrowed the

“we**> narrowed the income gaps between rich and
poor**< through stronger unions, wartime wage controls, and a change in tax
policy. We can do some of that.”=

The
theory of the Communism may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of
private property."
".. Karl Marx

From
each, according to his ability; to each, according to his needs."
"..
Karl Marx

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Well if Krugman likes FDR,

Well if Krugman likes FDR, I would not think he would object
if Bush adds a few more conservative supreme court justices.. Like about 6, we
can make it 15 just like old FDR wanted to..

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

Income Equality?

This is simply idiotic.

Income equality?  As a serious issue in this day and age?

So a brick layer should be equally compensated for something so un-skilled, as say, a neurologist?

What is it with these liberals that they want to give away everyone else's hard work?  I really, truly, seriously cannot fathom this POV. 

I like Tyler Cowen's reference to a "zero-sum worldview" though.  I confess, I looked him up on Wiki....a "libertarian economist".  Go figure.

 

Thank you Comrade Krugman.

It is always a pleasure to read your badly concealed, candy-coated Marxism on laughable display. However, although I am not an "economist," like yourself, I'd like to offer my humble take on things from the poor side of the "material universe."

In short: Those who can, do. Those who can't, write for the New York Times.

For a slam dunk of FDR's

For a slam dunk of FDR's economic policies, read the book, "FDR's Folly."  Here is what some people that read Jim Powell's book thought of it:

“Admirers of FDR credit his New Deal with restoring the American economy after the disastrous contraction of 1929—33. Truth to tell–as Powell demonstrates without a shadow of a doubt–the New Deal hampered recovery from the contraction, prolonged and added to unemployment, and set the stage for ever more intrusive and costly government. Powell’s analysis is thoroughly documented, relying on an impressive variety of popular and academic literature both contemporary and historical.”
Milton Friedman, Nobel Laureate, Hoover Institution

“There is a critical and often forgotten difference between disaster and tragedy. Disasters happen to us all, no matter what we do. Tragedies are brought upon ourselves by hubris. The Depression of the 1930s would have been a brief disaster if it hadn’t been for the national tragedy of the New Deal. Jim Powell has proven this.”
P.J. O’Rourke, author of Parliament of Whores and Eat the Rich

“The material laid out in this book desperately needs to be available to a much wider audience than the ranks of professional economists and economic historians, if policy confusion similar to the New Deal is to be avoided in the future.”
James M. Buchanan, Nobel Laureate, George Mason University

“I found Jim Powell’s book fascinating. I think he has written an important story, one that definitely needs telling.”
Thomas Fleming, author of The New Dealers’ War

“Jim Powell is one tough-minded historian, willing to let the chips fall where they may. That’s a rare quality these days, hence more valuable than ever. He lets the history do the talking.”
–David Landes, Professor of History Emeritus, Harvard University

“Jim Powell draws together voluminous economic research on the effects of all of Roosevelt’s major policies. Along the way, Powell gives fascinating thumbnail sketches of the major players. The result is a devastating indictment, compellingly told. Those who think that government intervention helped get the U.S. economy out of the depression should read this book.”
David R. Henderson, editor of The Fortune Encyclopedia of Economics and author of The Joy of Freedom

The tragedy is that most Americans have no idea the devastation that FDR's policies created at that time and that we are still living with.  Unbelieveably, FDR still ranks in the top ten of our greatest presidents. 

 

Times select

I am disappointed to see an article by this leftoid idiot on NB. Please spare us this lunacy. I am delighted to say this is the first article by this nitwit I have been forced to endure since Pinchie's stroke of marketing genius called Times Select. I have not seen one article by dowd or rich. Times Select is a noteworthy public service by sulzerburger since he has restricted the exposure of his communist henchmen to the very limited number of koolaid drinkers that subscribe. I hope rumors that he is going to eliminate the fees are untrue..

 I hope rumors that he is

 I hope rumors that he is going to eliminate the fees are untrue..

I tend to agree with you HG....

I used to read Dowd thru Drudge just to see what the looney leftists was ranting about now and for a good laugh most times...

You are right though...why give them any attention...

None deserve it in the real world...

Of course there is always knowing what you enemy is thinking/planning ect.

}}---> That word again

Unions.  Is there a more Socialist/Democrat word in the english language?

A quick glance at the buzzwords gives you the story.

~LYDSEXICS UNTIE!~

}}---> Sex and the Zero-Sum Game

"Life is not a race against fellow human beings, and we should discourage people from treating it as such," Cowen wrote. "So why should economists promote this same zero-sum worldview?"

Simply put, he's lying!!!

At its most basic, life is an attempt to lure the most attractive mate to produce the most attractive offspring.

Even the most liberated women are obsessed with marrying up, not down.

This guy is a fool if he wants his kids to have the same opportunities as those of his neighbors.  No, he wants them to have more (and better) opportunities.

If his kids are so much as taking private piano lessons, he's lying about life not being a zero sum game.

Simply put

Income equality is a socialist/Marxist ideal that is only possible on a small scale and in a relatively closed group. It is not scalable to a city, or region or country. It has been tried by the USSR, China, Cuba, etc. It is an utter and abject failure. Primarily because there will allways be corruption and that will allow certain individuals to take advantage of the system to acquire more for themselves. This will inevitably devolve into all people in any position of authority taking advantage of the system wherever possible to acquire whatever is possible for themselves. In effect, a socialist system will always generate a "black market" capatalistic sub-economy that is where the real economy is driven. The official economy will be scrubbed and sterilized to elimnate any hint of the real economy and after enough time (depending on the scale) the false "official" economy will collapse.

There will always be those who are better at somethings than others and will be able to make more money or grow their business larger than their competition. There will always be those who are happy and content working with their hands at lower paying jobs and trades and forgoing the stress and anxiety that comes with other more theoretical and abstract undertakings. A national economy needs all of this to be healthy. It is completely illogical to think that a welder could or should make the same amount of annual income as a heart surgeon.

If you really want to reduce the wealth "gap" then the answer is to stop taxing income and start taxing consumption. If on the other hand you wish to maintain a society that is defined by sperate and distinct income "classes", the answer is to implement a "progressive" income tax that inhibits and punishes any upward movement from one defined class to another.

 

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic

Nicely put. My only point

Nicely put.

My only point of disagreement is on the taxes. I am a proponent of a flat tax (at a locked percentage that cannot be changed by law and no wealth redistribution) rather than a consumption tax because what is considered a need is very subjective and the government has no business telling me what my needs are and are not. As Unsane has stated before...we should have a Constitutional amendment that states the fixed tax rate and requires a balanced budget and requires a Constitutional Convention to make any changes. I would also like to see the Armed Forces, Law Enforcement/Emergency Services tax exempt across the board.


"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers

Look I will take either one

Look I will take either one right now. Consumption or.. flat
tax.

These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day

I admit that either one is

I admit that either one is better than what we currently have. But I still can't get wholeheartedly behind a consumption tax.

Another fault I find with a consumption tax is that the government forces private businesses to be tax collectors without having to pay for that service (which is exactly what they do to businesses now by making the business collect taxes from both their employees and their customers).


"Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato, baby you've got a stew goin'!" -- Carl Weathers