Liberals in the mainstream media may publicly pretend that the appointment of a prosecutor to investigate so-called torture in the CIA is non-political but to the members of the Daily Kos it is all about politics.
The politics of revenge.
On the heels of the Eric Holder Justice Department dropping a voter intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party for threatening voters with billy clubs in Philadelphia, it was announced yesterday that Holder will appoint a prosecutor to investigate the CIA over the loud protests of that agency's director, Leon Panetta.
Despite the public pretenses of many liberals that the investigation has nothing to do with politics, the crazed bloodlust comments at the Daily Kos shows it has everything to do with politics...and revenge:
Why not use the the Nuremberg trials as a guide....for trying our home-grown international law and constitutional criminals? I can see little difference between the Nazis and these bastards.
Rummy, too and I'm betting a guy named Rove got involved, too. Not to mention a couple of Generals.
All I want for christmas is Bush-Cheney in a cell.
And those comments were mere appetizers for what was to follow:
We can lock up the interrogators. We can lock up the memo lawyers. We can lock up people like Rumseld and Rice. All that would be great. But in the end, it STILL won't send the message that the world needs to see. Unless we also lock of GEORGE W. BUSH AND DICK CHENEY, this is gonna be little more than a whitewash.
There must be investigation, there must be prosecution, and there ultimately must be life sentences without parole or pardon for 1) the people at the top who ordered torture, 2) those near the top who violated the Constitution on an almost daily basis to allow it to happen, and 3) those who crafted the legal opinions to let it happen.
As to the role of President Obama, the Kossacks are under no illusions that Holder was acting independently:
Obama took on Holder specifically because he knew he would seek this info out and pursue it, maybe the exact day isn't the best timing but you can be sure that there was a general time frame for investigations to begin.
And if you think the description of the Kossacks as having "bloodlust" is an exaggeration, take a look at this:
I don't want to see Cheney locked up. As a person who also has a pacemaker, I want to see the battery in Cheney's pacemaker removed. That's good enough for me.
Another Kossack is quite open in his speculation that the timing of this investigation is really about Obama's political struggles with the Republicans:
Does anyone think this is strange timing? It seems like there are so many Obama Administration irons in the fire right now, will this get the attention it really needs? Perhaps this is a way of getting the Grand Obstructionist Party to pay less attention to killing Health Care reform and to leave Cap 'N Trade alone.
The all-about-politics bloodlust rantings inspired this bit of worried caution:
The Right will point to left-leaning sites like Kos and say "See it's a political witch hunt".
Gee! Where would we ever get the idea that it is a political witch hunt? Another Kossack cautioned his comrades to "celebrate" in silence:
This is an instance where it would be better to celebrate in silence and let the process go where it may. Obama has desperately tried to distance himself from any Holder situation, to try and keep politics out of it.
Finally this post that perfectly illustrates the Kossack bloodlust:
War crimes were committed by George W. ("We don't torture!") Bush, Dick (dictator) Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, John (Torture isn't torture so it is legal.) Yoo, George ("Medal of Freedom") Tenet, Alberto ("I don't recall.") Gonzales, John (Jesus Christ is my savior.) Ashcroft, David Addington, et. al. Execute quickly!
You can see an even more detailed collection of the bloodlust revenge fantasies inspired in the Kossacks by this highly political investigation at the DUmmie FUnnies.
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.
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There's no doubt
August 25, 2009 - 07:40 ET by FeynmanFanThere's no doubt that terrorists around the world are grateful for the support shown by these folks. I just hope it doesn't get a lot of us killed in the future.
Close Gitmo -- Jail the Jailers?
August 25, 2009 - 07:43 ET by allanfIt will make great political theater to see CIA operatives on trial with brutal terrorists bearing witness against them.
Non stop favorable press coverage helped elect Obama President.
Will media coverage of this event make the American people treat it with nary a whisper?
I gotta assume the current
August 25, 2009 - 08:27 ET by BDI gotta assume the current administration is convinced they will not win a second election and therefore are pulling out all the stops in what they consider their only opportunity to shaft the nation.
Ruin the nations health system.
Ruin the nations economy.
Shaft the nations Intelligence structure.
Jimmy Carter anyone?
Yeah, sadly the current
August 25, 2009 - 08:35 ET by BD.
Last night the lib mouth
August 25, 2009 - 07:45 ET by LEWIS IN COLORADOLast night the lib mouth pieces were all claiming that this was just a move by holder, that nobama still doesn't want to "look back"- B S- this admin orchestrates EVERYTHING !! America WAKE UP !! We are dealing with hard core marxists that want to destroy this Nation as we know it.
hard core marxists...
August 25, 2009 - 07:58 ET by SickofLibs... the ones who are building a really swell giant wooden horse stuffed with hard core Islamists.
Lewis, you are right about this administration
August 25, 2009 - 08:01 ET by FeynmanFanObama wants to make changes without having any responsibility for them until they're proven successful. That's why he doesn't get involved in writing or reading any of the bills that are being used to implement his plans. It's either maintaining plausible deniability or a lack of political guts - I'm not sure which.
Both, FF
August 25, 2009 - 08:08 ET by BlondeIf Obama wanted to lead on the issue, he would.
When this health care nonsense fails, because it will, he'll blame Nanny & Harry. And of course, us, the unpatriotic clingers.
I can only hope that we regain some semblance of balance in the House...because we need to have some serious investigations into the Obama administration and the czars....I think there is enough corruption to put them all away for a while. Culture of Corruption, indeed.
I hope he fails, too.
Two things, Blonde
August 25, 2009 - 08:11 ET by FeynmanFan1. If the conservatives don't make big gains in congress next year, this country is totally screwed.
2. What goes around, comes around. The Obama administration is doing so many things that are clearly unconstitutional that there's plenty of fodder for investigations when congress finally changes hands.
The One
August 25, 2009 - 08:27 ET by Blondeis going to be totally shocked when the time comes.
It will be sweet, but of course, we'll be "better than that".
I hope he fails, too.
I am sick and tired of being better then that
August 25, 2009 - 08:41 ET by spmcintyrewe need to crush them unmercifully with the Constitution. It is funny how the sweaty-kos-nut-sacks look to the Constitution when it benefits their side. Where is our new Reagan to save us from this goon squad and reelection?
When it comes to government, its not whether the glass is half full or empty, its that the glass is to big by half.
I not sure
August 26, 2009 - 00:04 ET by ToenexI'm not sure we have until 2010 the way it's going, Seems like a house of cards short of a full deck.
Authority isn't truth, truth is authority
"Les Moore"
Next attack
August 25, 2009 - 07:51 ET by jdlybrandWould it be ugly of me to hope that if another terrorist attack occurs, Daily Kos HQ would be the target? I'm all about Karma you know!
"What a revoltin' development this is!"
Chester Riley
The Obama administration IS
August 25, 2009 - 08:43 ET by mattmThe Obama administration IS a terrorist attack.
no its not ugly,
August 25, 2009 - 08:43 ET by spmcintyrehowever it would never happen since terrorists don't crap where they eat
When it comes to government, its not whether the glass is half full or empty, its that the glass is to big by half.
Ah, The Summer of Love, Remix.
August 25, 2009 - 08:04 ET by SickofLibs"Phase One" of Plan 9 From Outer Space has been accomplished... the CIA has been "fired" from their job of interrogating detainees and the FBI will be assuming that role.
The CIA will now be responsible for power-washing national monuments.
Of course, this "nonpolitical" move will result in diminishing the FBI's ability to say, find the maniacs who kidnapped your child, foil domestic terrorism plots or go after organized crime.
Just imagine being a CIA agent right now. I'd rather have Slick Willie as Director than this *sshole Panetta.
From a post at Hotair: "New Obama terrorist interrogation office: Presidential Unit for Safe Suspect Interrogation. Otherwise known as PUSS."
Um.....SoL
August 25, 2009 - 08:15 ET by BlondeWouldnt that be PUSSI?
I hope he fails, too.
Blonde- oops, thanks for the correction
August 25, 2009 - 08:20 ET by SickofLibsBad copy/paste... my brandy new laser mouse is spazzing out for some reason
A little light on its feet, eh?
August 25, 2009 - 08:24 ET by Blonde:)
I hope he fails, too.
Yeah, sadly the current
August 25, 2009 - 08:36 ET by BDYeah, sadly the current administration like all good liberal lawyers sees the war on terror as a judicial effort rather than a war.
For those of us in the intelligence community who have worked witht he FBI we realize that the FBI approaches EVERYTHING they do as an approach to prepare a prosecution for a future court appearance. THey will do NOTHING that possibly puts that future court appearance in jeopardy.
Most of the FBI agents I have worked with realize that approach is folly in time of war and several of them have told us that they hope the DOD would kill the terrorists in battle rather than depend on the judicial system to handle it.
But a Harvard educated Lawyer will NEVER see it that way.
Your post makes me sad, BD
August 25, 2009 - 11:53 ET by BlondeGetting good intel is so important, and such a difficult thing to do. Yet these illiterate elites continue to play politics.
It is my hope that Dick Cheney will take them to task (and I believe he will)....for endangering all of our lives over a political vendetta.
I hope he fails, too.
Bin Laden is laughing is ass off
August 25, 2009 - 07:57 ET by nyyankee55In some cave in Pakistan Osama bin Laden is laughing at the stupid Americans. First we have the freed Lockerbee murder and now we put our top CIA agents(the best line of defense) on trial.
This is the greatest recruiting tool for al Qaeda. I bet Barry will be on bin Laden's Christmas card list this year
njyyankee
August 25, 2009 - 08:17 ET by misterbillOsama and most of the Muslim world is laughing at us.
I was mulling over whether the Scots would have released the Lockerbee murderer if Bush was still in charge. The whole world sees the weakness of America with the Messiah.
Mr. Bill,
August 25, 2009 - 10:58 ET by boomerconShouldn't that be "Obama and the rest of the Muslim world"?
Just saw several excerpts from his book, so, I'm just askin...
President Bush
August 25, 2009 - 07:59 ET by sevenThe VP and Rove didn't work at the CIA. Obama is misleading. He does want revenge. He also has a little correct thinking. It can backfire and haunt him. This witch hunt may expose congressional oversight and shame congress including The nancy.
WH taking over terrorist interrogations
August 25, 2009 - 08:01 ET by motherbeltNeal Boortz has this about the WH taking over the interrogation of terror suspects:
Obama has created an "elite team" of interrogators
that will question suspects in accordance with the Army Field Manual.
The name of the unit will be the High-Value Detainee Interrogation
Group, or HIG. The unit will be overseen by the National Security
Council, which gives the White House direct oversight.
Is there nothing this President won't seek to place in the control of his own inner circle?
CIA, Holder, Obama
August 25, 2009 - 08:01 ET by SemusWhat should be asked every time Holder or Obama speak in public is why the charges against the Hood's at the voting station(s) have been dropped.
Pissing Match
August 25, 2009 - 08:01 ET by obageegeeI really don't think it's a good idea for anyone to get into a pissing match with the CIA.
Because...
August 25, 2009 - 08:06 ET by FeynmanFanBecause they have ways of making people "disappear"? ;)
Yes
August 25, 2009 - 08:23 ET by obageegeeOnce you start exposing the intelligence gathering methodology, it undermines the whole process. That's all we need, more inside information in the hands of the wrong people. Only bad things can happen you cross the CIA. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there is more than anecdotal evidence of what happens people when they cross the Intelligence community. (Bay of Pigs)
Nah....
August 25, 2009 - 09:28 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonThey have folders several inches thinck on every congress critter, all the judges, everybody in the executive branch and every powerful bureaucrat in DC.
Sometimes things leak.....
http://gjresult.com
Firstly, the Republican
August 25, 2009 - 08:12 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsFirstly, the Republican leadership (sigh) should immediately draft a letter to Obama and Congress stating that when Obama is out of power, they will hold the Obama administration accountable for every crime, foreign or domestic, perceived or real, that happens on Obama's watch.
Secondly, the CIA should suddenly find it can dig up no intelligence for some strange reason. Nothing.
D
Write Congress and Senate and tell them what YOU think!
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
First, the DOP (Dumb ol'
August 25, 2009 - 08:38 ET by mattmFirst, the DOP (Dumb ol' party) will have to realize that the Administration and the Congressional leadership are not just "our friends on the other side of the aisle," but are in reality enemies of this country. They give terrorists U.S. Constitutional rights, while railroading the people who protect America!
Until the Republicans realize who they're dealing with, nothing will be resolved. This has been their failure since 1990.
Yep, listening to the
August 25, 2009 - 08:42 ET by BDYep, listening to the deafening sounds of silence from the GOP leadership who want to remain "Democrat light" as if that has ever won ANYTHING. (Hello Bob Dole & John McCain.)
1990?
August 25, 2009 - 09:32 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonThe dop has been in a death spiral since the 1960s when they walked away from ANY RESPONSIBILITY to the People.
Reagan worked hard to get elected, and he did it without the support of the stupid party.
Even 8 years of SUCCESSFUL Reagan years wasn't enough to wake those fools out of their peaceful slumber.
http://gjresult.com
Not when he is out of power
August 25, 2009 - 08:47 ET by spmcintyrewhen we win back the Congress in 2010, we start then, and maybe we can get him to resign, he has done so much more than Nixon could have ever thought to do.
When it comes to government, its not whether the glass is half full or empty, its that the glass is to big by half.
~The Google Ads widget
August 25, 2009 - 08:25 ET by choselife3xOn NB is a riot. Talk about a study in contrasts, there's an ACLU ad supporting Holder on there right now! But Google isn't run by leftists, oh no.......
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
"Disinfect to Protect" the public
August 25, 2009 - 08:46 ET by Georgia GirlLooks like they need to get out the Lysol.
[For those not seeing a Lysol ad on this blog, I am -- hence, the reference]. ^_^
google ads
August 25, 2009 - 09:08 ET by SickofLibsso we can safely assume you did NOT order the collectible MaBelle porcelain doll?
~Well......
August 25, 2009 - 10:21 ET by choselife3xNo...but I'm ashamed to admit I was unable to resist this. ;-)
Dissent: It's not just for liberals anymore.-kudzupolitics, USA Today
The worst part is dropping
August 25, 2009 - 08:29 ET by mattmThe worst part is dropping the case against the Black Panthers. I guess I'll have to start open-carrying when I go to the polls from now on.
This is giving the Daily Kooks orgasms, but it's going not going to sit well with, dare I say it- real Americans.
This is what we should do with the idiot readers of Kos...
August 25, 2009 - 08:42 ET by Lord Erond..ThinkProgress, Huffington.
Round them all up.
Grind them into free meatloaf for the homeless.
At least this way, they'll have SOME use in our society.
"Let him who would move the world, first move himself." -Socrates
"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
Interesting idea....
August 25, 2009 - 10:04 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonFeed the 'homeless' meatloaf made from rancid sources....
Two servings and they would be off the streets and back to work.....
I really like the idea!
http://gjresult.com
Keep in mind that most of the Knutosacks
August 25, 2009 - 08:50 ET by spmcintyreSubscribe to the DNC and Obama talking points daily emails. Arguing with them is pointless, because the only thing they know and believe is what they get from that email, and what MSNBC takes out of context.
When it comes to government, its not whether the glass is half full or empty, its that the glass is to big by half.
Real smart. Side with terrorists when poll numbers freefalll...
August 25, 2009 - 09:01 ET by jazbo"Go ahead, make our day; Nov 2, 2010"
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August 25, 2009 - 09:02 ET by jazbo"Go ahead, make our day; Nov 2, 2010"
BO and Holder
August 25, 2009 - 09:18 ET by east tennessee johnMany of us predicted this type of BO behavior with his pal Holder in charge of "justice". Well, now we're going to get it. As the economy tanks, as our troops in Afghanistan prepare for a "Vietnam" style "victory" these mf's care only about 1 thing, maintaining power and using it, if not to strengthen themselves, weaken their enemies. They must go before the bloodlust and carnage they're causing becomes unrepairable. November 2010 can't come too soon.
I learned a long time ago,
August 25, 2009 - 09:11 ET by jkwtradingI learned a long time ago, those whom rant and rave do so because they are actually so afraid of physical contact, they cannot or will not force a real fight...real fights they always lose.
we are reaching a point in American history after 40 years of attempting to dialogue with the left, the left better have more than just words, screams, phrases to back themselves up with, a real fight could be brewing, a fight they would not want and can not win.
I've said it before,
August 25, 2009 - 11:13 ET by boomerconAnd I'll say it again; Didn't we have a little internal dust up the last time we had a president from Illinois?
What's that saying about history repeating itself?
Payback
August 25, 2009 - 09:35 ET by bolivarThese idiots have no idea the %#!^storm they are stirring up. When these "investigations" turn up nothing real and they have to "make it up" the real poop will hit the fan. If they think this will go unnoticed or unpunished they are sadly mistaken. The things these socialists are doing to my beloved country are criminal at best and treason at worst. You know what the penalty of treason is right??? Especially in time of war????
I have no use for liberal thinking - it is just so......passe.
Real Terrorists?
August 25, 2009 - 09:35 ET by slickwillie2001Looks like the FBI has stumbled across some real democratic party terrorists in Missouri:
New Bizarre Twists in Clayton Bombing: http://www.stltoday.com
"A federal search warrant obtained by the Post-Dispatch connects a former Democratic campaign strategist to a Clayton bombing last year that seriously injured an attorney.
About two months after the October bombing, federal law enforcement officials searched the downtown loft of Milton H. "Skip" Ohlsen III, seeking "evidence related to the planning, execution, and/or cover-up of the bombing in Clayton, Missouri, on October 16, 2008." Ohlsen in recent weeks has been at the center of a swirling political scandal that is threatening the political careers of at least two Missouri Democratic legislators."
I am also surprised that the Bamster hasn't ordered the FBI to drop this case like they dropped the Black Panther case. Will the old media dare cover this story?
Ashcroft, David Addington,
August 25, 2009 - 10:08 ET by Richard RomanoAshcroft, David Addington, et. al. Execute quickly!
Interrogating known terrorists is a no no, but for their fellow citizens who worked to protect them, the death penalty!
The left is a sick sick bunch.
look, something shiny!
August 25, 2009 - 10:18 ET by candanceForget about my embarrassing treatment of healthcare, and the fact that you were ready to turn on me a week ago. The CIA is evil! That's right... look over here... follow the bread crumbs...
Holder was an attorney for Chiquita when they got busted paying off terrorists who controlled banana fields. An American company aided in the death of poor farmers, and Holder helped them get off with a wrist slap. Lefties only care about murder when it helps them embarrass a Republican.
candance
August 25, 2009 - 10:30 ET by MightyMouthThe DUmmies and KOStards are gettin' major wood right about now!
(...for the fireplace of course :-p)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Re Shiny
August 25, 2009 - 11:10 ET by slickwillie2001Yep, that's a huge part of it, just a massive distraction. If the Bamster can take our attention off of his healthcare Obamacare abomination, he is hoping Congress can sneak it through in September. This is also a bone to throw to the far-left kooks that are outraged that the Bamster is vacillating on a government-insurance 'option.' He wants to distract them as much as us.
Timing is Everything
August 25, 2009 - 10:37 ET by sergeant stogieAnother perfectly choreographed kabuki for the messiah and his operatives. He goes on "vacation", wants to be "left alone", allows the health care chatter to die down a little, then throws this red herring out to the foaming-at-the-mouth crowd. Distracts them from their histrionics about health care and gives them this tidbit to play with for a while. They are so blinded in their hatred they don't see themselves getting played, like left-handed violins.
How right you are
August 25, 2009 - 15:15 ET by HumblepieWhen I first read this article I was stunned. I thought old Holder went off the deep-end and is gasping for air (ok, air time). Then I stepped back and looked at the big picture and started laughing. First of all, old Bambi's poll numbers are dropping faster than the Dow. His national health care is flat-lined and now they are breaking it up. Calling is health care reform and going for the 51 vote approval. The economy is not showing signs of real recovery. And now they're talking about another form of stimulus package.
I figured Holder would use this ploy next year before the election to help struggling Dems win their seats back. Nothing like playing them trump cards early.
Throw your support base a bone to rekindle support and keep the publics mind off your real agenda. This will backfire, like everything else. I'm sure someone somewhere will gleefully remind this socialist administration that this will open the flood gates to their activities with potential investigations, lawsuits, trials and prison time for 99% of the Obama administration. We can just start with the consolidation of power within the Executive Branch, which goes against the Constitution.
I will gladly by tickets for the trials and upcoming impeachment hearing.
Quick! The gene pool needs more chlorine.
Message to this administration:PLEASE set a new precedent
August 25, 2009 - 11:19 ET by sic721Please keep going with this. I'm begging you to set a new precedent here. That way when, not if, but when we take back the White House and Congress, the investigations and charges pending will 'rock the worlds' of members of this administration, this Congress and even more than a few in the msm. So yes, do it. Please. Just keep in mind, what goes around, comes around. Ain't kharma great?
A generation which ignores history has no past -- and no future.-Robert A. Heinlein
If that's the
August 25, 2009 - 11:39 ET by jessieHIf that's the game they want to play, then every elected servant who passed the stimulous bill, without reading it, will be charged with treason against the citizens of this country. Investigations into the fraudulant operations of the Daily Kos will be right after the investigation of Acorn.
I wonder how many Americans are going to die...
August 25, 2009 - 11:44 ET by R D Helm...due to the actions of these America-hating, treasonous bastards?
-Dave
I've been listening to
August 25, 2009 - 11:48 ET by equusartsI've been listening to this all day-how sickened am I to hear liberals going on about their "high moral ground" and how we must treat terrorists guilty of murdering countless citizens of all countries, with respect and dignity and in the same breath they'll go on and support the murder of babies. My mouth drops open in astonishment at the absolute hypocricy of these people.
If you are against treating others badly-should this not apply to everyone? This is why I can't stand the liberal idealogy. It's based upon hypocricy and arrogance & it's because of this absolute arrogance that they'll never see their deep flaws.
Unbelieveable. This sad sack of a president and his cronies need to be impeached.
"Hypocrisy, the lie, is the true sister of evil, intolerance, and cruelty."
ladies and gentlemen-my fellow AMERICANS-
August 25, 2009 - 12:09 ET by JIMMY1660if these actions by eric holder and the rest of his Marxist buddies, creates another 9/11 type incident-prosecuting the CIA and turning loose radical muslim terrorists-mr holder shall be held accountable-held for treasonous deeds-and if found guilty-hanged on the steps of the capital. along with him, those left wing blogger who promoted this type of Anti American activity.
adding-once we run these marxist out of washington-we shall investigate, lie, and convict every SOB in the BHO administration. they shall be held in GITMO.
we can no longer tolerate left wing Marxist anti Americans.
good bye.
BHO- THE PROGRESSIVE PIRATE
X
August 25, 2009 - 12:17 ET by serfer62Can''t procute the New Black Panther terrorist
but
proscutes American defenders.
Obama posts at DailKos
August 25, 2009 - 13:24 ET by OxyConCould you imagine the uproar if a Republican posted on a community website that is so vile and anti-American?
Look at where the DailyKook's sympathies lie. With the terrorists and against the men and women who are keeping us safe!
Nitwits
August 25, 2009 - 13:29 ET by SpikerThe foul language and general nastiness of Kos posts lead me to believe that none of these people have evolved past a certain point in their life. Mainly, the time of life when they were in jr. high having "kick me" signs stuck to their backs.
Coincidence or News Cycle By DOJ?
August 25, 2009 - 18:31 ET by Junk Science SkepticEarlier in the year, when TEA parties started making Obama look bad on Porkulus, there was sudden interest in investigating the CIA.
Now that Town Halls are making Obama look bad on the healthcare takeover, all of the sudden there's interest in the CIA again.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
Stop Funding Leftist Propaganda - Boycott GE & Disney
Re CIA investigation
August 25, 2009 - 20:57 ET by slickwillie2001...and any time they begin investigating the CIA, and that really means President George W. Bush and VP Cheney, Cheney comes out of retirement and kicks them in the teeth a few times. You'd think that eventually they would associate cause and effect.
The Kos Kids and their
August 25, 2009 - 22:03 ET by RR GOPThe Kos Kids and their Leftist ilk always have been rude and nasty.
That's why their boys are running the country now.
How's that PC and civility working for us?
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 86% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.