It is "an inconvenient truth" for Al Gore that the world is currently experiencing some of the coldest weather in decades. Just how cold? How about snow in Saudi Arabia in May according to this report?
According to a story in the Saudi Gazette and sourced to the American News Agency, the Associated Press, snow fell in Al-Baha city, to the south-west of Riyadh, on Tuesday.
Torrential rain poured down on Al-Baha accompanied by gusty winds.
The nearby mountains received some snow too.
It covered the valley areas and the forests of Al-Zaraeb and Khayrah, according to the report.
If this were the only such report, it could be written off as just an isolated incident of freak weather. Unfortunately for Al Gore's credibility there have been widespread reports of unseasonably cold weather from many sources including a story yesterday in the Minneapolis Star Tribune about a "year without summer."
Summer's coming. Grab a sweater.
Sunday and Monday may be in the 80s, but some forecasters say don't be fooled.
Across Minnesota and the Dakotas, temperatures could be below normal through the end of August, according to the federal Climate Prediction Center. The outlook for "meteorological summer" -- June, July and August -- prompted one Accuweather forecaster to predict a "year without summer."
"That's how the dice are loaded," said the Climate Prediction Center's senior meteorologist, Ed O'Lenic.
So far, the trend toward a cool summer has been emphatic, with furnaces blasting through the first days of June across the state. The average daily temperature for the first 11 days of June in the Twin Cities was 7.2 degrees below normal.
As of Friday, lilacs hadn't bloomed yet at Wolf Ridge Environmental Learning Center near Finland, Minn. They're usually out June 6.
Meanwhile Chicago is experiencing a very cold summer as well. In fact it has been described by the WGN Weather Blog as "one for the record."
The cloudy, chilly and rainy open to June here has been the talk of the town. So far this June is running more than 12 degrees cooler than last year, and the clouds, rain and chilly lake winds have been persistent. The average temperature at O'Hare International Airport through Friday has been only 59.5 degrees: nearly 7 degrees below normal and the coldest since records there began 50 years ago.
How long can Al Gore continue shilling the dangers of global warming when it is actually global cooling that is causing problems, especially in agriculture, as pointed out in this report in the Canadian Press?
WINNIPEG — Even for the hardiest Prairie farmer, 2009 is shaping up to be a big challenge.
Following a bitterly cold winter and a spring that refused to warm up, farmers are looking at reduced production and low yields for virtually every crop.
"I've been farming for over 40 years and ... it was one of the longest and coldest springs that I can remember," Chuck Fossay, who grows canola, flax and other crops near Starbuck, Man., said Thursday.
"We just managed to finish seeding on Sunday, so we're about three weeks behind in seeding (and) the crop is very slow coming out of the ground 'cause of the cold weather."
Fossay, whose land was hit by frost even in June, is not alone.
According to the Canadian Wheat Board's annual crop outlook issued Thursday, producers across the Prairies will be producing smaller crops.
Think this unseasonably cold weather is happening just in the Midwest and Canada? Guess again. Even Botswana in Africa is reporting unusually cold weather. And in another part of the Southern Hemisphere, Australian ski resorts are enjoying the heavy snowfall due to low temperatures according to this story:
A cold snap has struck Australia's southern states and territories, with sub-zero temperatures and snow hitting Victoria, the Australian Capital Territory, New South Wales and Tasmania.
In Victoria, there have been snow showers on Melbourne's Dandenong Ranges and parts of central Victoria, including Trentham.
All an intrepid reporter has to do is a Google search to find the numerous current reports on widespread Global Cooling, including an AP story about June snow in North Dakota. So with all these reports about worldwide cold weather pouring in, why does Al Gore still have a shred of credibility left? When will he be questioned about how we can have Global Warming when all the evidence is now pointing towards Global Cooling? Come to think of it, when will Heidi Cullen, James Hansen, and Maggie Rodriguez of the CBS Early Show who fretted about an "ice-free" North Pole last year be called to account for being spectacularly wrong by the MSM?
In the meantime, enjoy this video of the founder of The Weather Channel who wants to sue Al Gore for Global Warming fraud. Oh, and don't forget to add Heidi Cullen, James Hansen, Maggie Rodriguez, and most of the MSM to the defendants list.
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.
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They already got it covered.
June 15, 2009 - 06:49 ET by LegionOfDorknessIts now global climate CHANGE, you silly goose. Now it doesn't matter which way the temperature goes, its still a crisis.
Of courese,
June 15, 2009 - 07:28 ET by motherbeltOf course, Dorkness!
Earth's climate has been the same for a bazillion years....now it is changing!
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Blame game
June 15, 2009 - 07:28 ET by TheCynicAnd either way it's still caused by man and the solution is cap and trade...
Yeah, this story will be
June 15, 2009 - 07:33 ET by ThisnThatYeah, this story will be suppressed as Obama and the dims try to solve our growing climate change crisis in America. Can't let slippery things like data and facts get in the way of a tax bonanza, can we?
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Two completely ignorant
June 15, 2009 - 08:47 ET by marvlTwo completely ignorant statements joined by "and" do not make a coherent sentence. Sorry, try again... oh, wait, please don't, you've wasted enough of my life already.
follow the money...
June 15, 2009 - 10:01 ET by AJBFunny... Algore espouses these stupid Carbon Credits for the mere mortals such as you and me. These Carbon Credits are the liberal elites way of assuaging your guilty conscience for living a life in something other than a cave. And WHO do you think owns the carbon credit company? Why, none other than Algore himself.
Here's the way liberals do business. Don't produce or manufacture any goods or services. Just scare people by using junk science into buying something to relieve their guilt.
And stupid liberals everywhere are buying these phoney-baloney credits making Algore rich. Per PT Barnum, never underestimate the stupidity or gullibility of the general public.
So Correct. It's not global
June 15, 2009 - 07:31 ET by nadadhimmiSo Correct. It's not global warming now, but climate change, so says Little Albert. What's the big deal here?. This 'CRISIS" still requirs we give Gore total control over human activity to save the Planet. Mother Gaia is just wasting away says the moron Gore. Only HE can save mankind, he says. Typical behavior of a megalamaniac.
Yes, and thank God
June 15, 2009 - 15:02 ET by boomerconYes, and thank God Al invented the internet, so we can all get the real story, and opine.
mmmm...
June 15, 2009 - 15:22 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonWouldn't "Fat Albert" be more accurate?
(My apologies to Bill Cosby)
http://gjresult.com
One of the only people more
June 15, 2009 - 06:50 ET by dronetekOne of the only people more vocal about Saddam's WMD and the need to take him out, was Al Gore. If his credibility is still intact after that, I wouldnt expect anyone to hold him to standards now.
Al Gore had
June 15, 2009 - 07:37 ET by motherbeltAl Gore had credibility??????
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Ice
June 15, 2009 - 06:54 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsYou missed the growing glacier down in South America. Of course, the AP story has some spin to it.
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It is not about Global Warming
June 15, 2009 - 06:59 ET by allanfor global cooling. It is about controlling the lives of others.
I guess Algore also missed
June 15, 2009 - 11:40 ET by motherbeltI guess Algore also missed this and this
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
it snowed at my dads in
June 15, 2009 - 07:17 ET by kangarooit snowed at my dads in melbourne oz the other day, never snows there on the flat, it was brilliant cause they are trying to do that cap and trade baloney also, I really love the cow fart tax that the EPA are trying to implement, when the cattle are in a grass paddock lined with trees that turn co2 into oxygen, my motto is just plant a tree or 2. Climate change is just a money power grab in my book,
I am convinced God Almighty
June 15, 2009 - 07:18 ET by misterbee241I am convinced God Almighty has a sense of humor. I think He's laughing at the pitiful attempts of Al the Gore to change His climate to Gore's liking by sending a little cool weather or even a coolng period. Just my opinion.
Whenever I see Al the Gore blustering about climate change and all his minions doing the same thing, I'm reminded of the Tower of Babel. God fixed that mess too, just like He'll fix this one.
"I dont need to read a newspaper to know the world's been shaved by a drunken barber."
Walter Brennan, The Colonel, Meet John Doe, 1941
No rest for the wicked.
June 15, 2009 - 07:22 ET by CrashThe folks who believe in AGW allowed their deity to rename their church "climate change", just in case "global warming" didn't come through for them, gave us the incredulous presidency of Barrack Hussein Obama.
The debate is over. Al
June 15, 2009 - 07:27 ET by HockeyKidThe debate is over. Al Gore is a shameless charlatan with incendiary trousers. It's sad that Nobel prizes are now proffered to the likes of this brainless buffoon (not to mention James Earl Carter and Yasser Arafat...).
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
I guess Mother Nature
June 15, 2009 - 07:29 ET by motherbeltI guess Mother Nature didn't get the word that there is a "consensus"....
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
That's the first thing I
June 15, 2009 - 07:36 ET by JerryThat's the first thing I thought MB... we have scientific concensus!... the debate is over!... Nobel Prize!... "flat-earth" deniers!...
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Gore's peace prize was his
June 15, 2009 - 07:41 ET by ThisnThatGore's peace prize was his climate "change" -- and a nice chunk of change it was, indeed. Along with all the other change he's picking up by investing in companies that he and his cronies are pushing.
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LOL...
June 15, 2009 - 13:05 ET by Mike Sargent..."Incendiary trousers"
Wow, I'm SO going to use that *megasmirk*
A Confederacy of Dunces
June 15, 2009 - 07:50 ET by CrashIt's rather easy to dupe a gullible constituency these days, especially with the current state of public education. Not to mention that rap is considered music. Hollywood was the first group on board (if that tells you anything), the same crowd who love telling tales of apocalyptic futures and hopelessness ... you know "change [only they] can believe in." Or as they explain it, "willing suspension of disbelief." Of course I could sum up that phrase in one word ... consensus!
Here in the mountains of
June 15, 2009 - 08:05 ET by BDHere in the mountains of Arizona, we have had an incredibly mild summer so far, far below norms. In fact, with two weeks to go before the traditional start of the monsoon season we have yet to achieve 100 degrees.
Speaking of monsoon season, we have already had several days with uncharacteristic monsoonal rains.
If this is Global warming - I like it! Bring it on.
Mr. Gladnick, I feel
June 15, 2009 - 08:08 ET by troglodytMr. Gladnick,
I feel obligated to mention that reports on cold weather phenomena do not prove a global cooling trend. You shouldn't indulge in the same sort of reporting this site has regurarly criticized: Connecting in an overhasty manner local weather events with global climate trends.
Ho hum. And your whiney
June 15, 2009 - 08:42 ET by marvlHo hum. And your whiney little retort does not disprove it. It is clear we are seeing global cooling. If the same local trend occurs pretty much everywhere, what do you call that? Does the word "globally" come to mind? As for a trend, that is still open to debate, but I know where I'm putting my money, and it ain't on ManBearPig Gore.
"And your whiney little
June 15, 2009 - 08:53 ET by troglodyt"And your whiney little retort does not disprove it."
That was not my goal.
"pretty much everywhere"
He cited less than 10 occurences.
But still: what we are talking about globally is an annual mean.
Question trog....
June 15, 2009 - 09:30 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson"He cited less than ten occurences."
By this statement, do you mean that EVERY instance must be reported in order for the story to be valid?
If so, then algore would be held to the same standard to have any credibility, would he not?
Since algores position is based solely on cherry-picking isolated instances, manipulation of data, and denying various scientific phenoma as solar heating, cloud cover, historically accurate climate changes, etc. Your position nullifies algores position.
Did you get your remarks cleared by algore in advance of proving what a stupid piece of garbage he is?
http://gjresult.com
"By this statement, do you
June 15, 2009 - 09:46 ET by troglodyt"By this statement, do you mean that EVERY instance must be reported in order for the story to be valid?
"
No. My point was that the generalization doesn't hold that cold weather implies colder climate. Weather and climate are to different concepts.
"Your position nullifies algores position.
"
Believe me: I don't like Gores handling of the science at least the bit I have seen. It is sensationalist and not very trustworthy.
Interesting trog....
June 15, 2009 - 10:33 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnsonalgore 'generalizes' that 20 years ago there was a slight warming trend and turned it into a crisis of globull worming and you have no problem with that little bit of 'generalization?
In the 60's it was global cooling based on the same type of misreporting the facts and lying to the people for their own profit.
THAT is where algore learned the value of a created crisis, same as olbammer.
An endless stream of 'crisis' and emergencies.
But, all that's just fine with you?
Very interesting indeed.
http://gjresult.com
I don't know, where you read
June 15, 2009 - 11:36 ET by troglodytI don't know, where you read that out of my postings.
try this
June 15, 2009 - 13:06 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson"No. My point was that the generalization doesn't hold that cold weather
implies colder climate. Weather and climate are to different concepts."
When algore can no longer 'generalize' he creates false data to support his position.
There is no FACTUAL DATA supporting "Man caused" anything, and the facts prove it.
http://gjresult.com
"I don't like Gores
June 15, 2009 - 10:38 ET by Mazzi"I don't like Gores handling of the science... "
What science? LOL. The so-called science is simply interpretations from self-described "experts" who have strong-armed other experts into agreeing or face career destruction. And when the computer models didn't support their contentions, they falisified data.
The problem is that so many people bought into this panic, and because of human nature, now refuse to admit they were duped. And yes, it is human nature - just like people who get swindled are often too ashamed to report it. The MSM and loud-mouthed public figures whipped the masses up into a tornado of righteous indignity, and now those masses refuse to believe they have been conned.
Slowly but surely the truth is coming out. The truth being that we humans are not capable of predicting weather. It is bigger than our capability to understand, and all of the so-called science that we have is not even close. My mantra has always been "they cant even predict what tomorrows weather will be, how can we trust them to tell us what will happen in 50 years?"
In the meantime, Al Gore and his cronies have gotten VERY rich. They can afford to let the con play out now. They know damned well that they will suffer no repercussions from it - all they have to do is shrug and say "but the EXPERTS said...."
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Mazzi, Just a small
June 15, 2009 - 20:57 ET by hydrodynDMMazzi,
Just a small comment on your statement about predicting weather:
The Earth's atmosphere is a chaotic system. Here, I'm using "chaotic" in the scientific sense. Without getting into details, it's essentially impossible to predict the future state of a chaotic system past a certain point in time.
You assert that:
What I wrote, above, has been known for decades. So no one (or, at least, no scientist) really denies your statement about weather predictability.
However, I think you are confusing weather predictions and climate predictions. The former has to do with detailed local atmospheric conditions and the latter has to do with large scale global ones. It turns out that you can make predictions about the latter - at least in theory.
I personally don't think we have the understanding right now to make accurate/reliable climate predictions (just my uninformed opinion) but there's no reason why we can't develop or improve on those abilities in the future.
Well, I am no expert, and
June 15, 2009 - 23:25 ET by MazziWell, I am no expert, and it sounds as if you might be.
However, the fact is that the climate forecasts have been notoriously wrong too. In the 1970's we were told to learn to build igloos, because the new ice age was coming.
With no track record, with no proof that whatever new sophisticated computer programs they have actually work, the "experts" have decided that this time they know for sure. They have forgotten rule number 1 of computers though - GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out). There have been a multitude of "errors" on the data fed into these programs, so even if the programs were viable, the results are not. And, the worst part of all is when the recent history does not match the predictions, data has been skewed, misrepresented, call it what you will, to try and make it appear to fit. I call that cheating.
I agree wholeheartedly that we may someday know how to accurately predict weather and/or climate changes, but whatever technology and knowledge we have now is only in it's infancy, and it's terribly pretentious of us to suggest otherwise.
The scientists need to watch and learn, and stop making predictions that may as well be off a roulette wheel. It is irresponsible and as we have seen for the last few years, it is easily exploited by high-powered con men.
"I would rather be historically accurate than politically correct" ~ My husband's T-Shirt
Argentine Glacier
June 15, 2009 - 09:49 ET by P.J. GladnickHe cited less than 10 occurences.
Please forgive me for failing to mention the Argentine glacier that is GROWING. Oh, I left off the unusual cold weather in Arkansas as well.
The question still open:
June 15, 2009 - 09:56 ET by troglodytThe question still open: What if the global annual mean temperature is still rising? What is it you want to show?
Better Head South
June 15, 2009 - 10:02 ET by dboWhat if? I think that question has been settled.
"I feel obligated to
June 15, 2009 - 10:07 ET by G. May"I feel obligated to mention that reports on cold weather phenomena do not prove a global cooling trend. "
I feel obligated to mention that reports on warm weather phenomena do not prove a global warming trend. This is, in essence, what the AGW crowd has been doing.
"He cited less than 10 occurences.
But still: what we are talking about globally is an annual mean."
Again, relatively speaking, this pretty much amounts to the same thing the AGW crowd has done. Does he need to cite all global climate and weather data in one article? No. The point is to raise awareness about the con game going on with the AGW crowd. This very "trend" is something the AGW alarmists have claimed in the past would no longer happen.
" I feel obligated to
June 15, 2009 - 10:45 ET by troglodyt"
I feel obligated to mention that reports on warm weather phenomena do not prove a global warming trend. "
You should indeed mention that.
"This is, in essence, what the AGW crowd has been doing.
"
This is of course true. For getting attention people tend to simplify and illustrate in an unjustified manner.
"The point is to raise awareness about the con game going on with the AGW crowd."
By playing the same game?
Would you like a 300 page
June 15, 2009 - 13:06 ET by G. MayWould you like a 300 page report every time the subject comes up? Of course you wouldn't, which makes your "argument" rather glib.
This site alone (and even this very thread) is replete with information that debunks, invalidates, and raises legitimate questions in the absence of credible information. In other words, this is glurge.
It is up to the person making the claim to prove it, not the other way around. The AGW has failed to prove their claims not only in the face of legitimate scientific inquiry, or on their own data, but also in the realm of everyday casual observation.
This was the point, which you so intentionally missed and/or avoided.
Weather Game
June 15, 2009 - 19:25 ET by P.J. Gladnick"The point is to raise awareness about the con game going on with the AGW crowd."
By playing the same game?
The crucial DIFFERENCE is that I'm not playing the game for money. Al Gore thinks he detects global warming and wants to toss TRILLIONS at the problem with no debate because he claims the case is closed. OTOH, your humble correspondent sees evidence of global cooling and his "solution" is to spend NOTHING because the earth has had these NATURAL cycles for millions of years before there were even people.
So, no. It's NOT the "same game." Not even close.
Heat.
June 15, 2009 - 09:07 ET by sevenAnecdotes of heat also do not indicate a trend. The 2 larges uglies ommisions from the AGW camp include claiming cloud doesn't change. The other incident is ignoring solar heat and flare ups.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
Real science from real weather scientists.
I feel obligated to mention
June 15, 2009 - 09:11 ET by Dan The Man 2I feel obligated to mention that reports on cold weather phenomena do not prove a global cooling trend
No and Im pretty sure that these are not isolated incidents, jsut ones that are out of character with trends seen in the past. The articles point out the rediculousness of the scare mongering. I point out the global cooling trends for the last 10 years and the facts that the earth goes through cycles.
The point is the earth is not in catestrophic climate change because of man and we dont need taxes and draconian rules to control the weather.
So thanks for the observation and go back into hiding for 6 more weeks.
"Im pretty sure that these
June 15, 2009 - 09:36 ET by troglodyt"Im pretty sure that these are not isolated incidents"
Well that is solid.
"jsut ones that are out of character with trends seen in the past."
???
"The articles point out the rediculousness of the scare mongering."
What articles? Those of Mr. Gladnick? Or the ones he is citing?
"I point out the global cooling trends for the last 10 years and the facts that the earth goes through cycles."
Have you pointed that out for 10 years or do you think
that there was a 10 year cooling trend?
That the earths climate goes through cycles is common knowledge for everyone who is at least a little bit informed about the topic wether proponent or opponent of AGW. Honestly it is a little hard to follow your thoughts.
"The point is the earth is not in catestrophic climate change because of
man and we dont need taxes and draconian rules to control the weather."
Who has seriously proposed to control the weather?
Who has seriously proposed
June 15, 2009 - 09:46 ET by Dan The Man 2Who has seriously proposed to control the weather?
Almost all AGW nuts say that man is causing global warming because of CO2 emmisions trog boy. And if you cant understand that then dont worry your sloping forehead.
As for the rest the global temps show a cooling trend not warming for the last 10 years. The articles are about cooling trends not warming and that is 180 from the AGW scare mongering we usually see published.
I have to ask you: Do you
June 15, 2009 - 09:51 ET by troglodytI have to ask you: Do you know what the notions weather and climate mean, respectively what their difference is? Because no one I'd take seriously has proposed to control the weather (e.g. controling local temperatures, wind, rain etc.).
Causing something does not mean controlling it.
Causing something does not
June 15, 2009 - 10:05 ET by Dan The Man 2Causing something does not mean controlling it.
In the case of AGW caused by CO2 emissions it is. Taking the false premise of CO2 causing climate change means the amount of CO2 emitted by man changes climate then we do control it. At least we control a certain amount of it. And man does have an impact on climate but it is neglible.
Weather and climate are pretty much interchangable, it just a matter of semantics. But if you are comfortable with climate then ok.
You are just being tollish anfd picking on my terminology which is ok.
Where do you stand on climate theory?
"You are just being tollish
June 15, 2009 - 11:30 ET by troglodyt"You are just being tollish anfd picking on my terminology which is ok."
I don't think that this is tollish. Look at websters definitions
climate: 2 a:
the average course or condition of the weather at a place usually over
a period of years as exhibited by temperature, wind velocity, and
precipitation
weather: 1: the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness
That means climate is in a certain sense a statistic concept, while weather is describing actual phenomena. This in my opinion leads to confusion for many people as their perception of what is going on in the atmosphere is, naturally I have to add, dominated by weather events and not by long term climate data. So many people are insecure when they feel a chilly winter, but read about one of the 10th warmest years in the history since the beginning of recording weather data.
"Taking the false premise of CO2 causing climate change means the amount
of CO2 emitted by man changes climate then we do control it."
Not the amount of CO2 we emitt causes, in theory, climate change, but the overall amount in the atmosphere. Meaning if you want to control or reverse climate change, you have to get all the CO2 out of the air which we put in there.
"Where do you stand on climate theory?"
I do think the theory of AGW itself is plausible. I don't think that mankind isn't able to massively interact with its environment (see the ozonlayer, or imagine the detonation of all nuclear weapons at once). How this planet copes with that interaction is a completely different matter. But I tend to see this as a serious problem, which doesn't deserve such stupid and useless solutions as outlined in the Kyotoprotocol. What I don't want to see anymore are dire predictions of how my future will look like. For that the athmospheric system is far to complex.
But I tend to see this as a
June 15, 2009 - 12:19 ET by Dan The Man 2But I tend to see this as a serious problem
Why if the atmosphere is too complex? And you are nit picking as the your definitions of climate and weather are essentially the same. They both describe weather conditions as you said "the state of the atmosphere with respect to heat or cold, wetness or dryness, calm or storm, clearness or cloudiness". Haven't you ever heard hows the weather around here? Meaning a composite of the data over time in an easily digestable format.
Now the trollish part is nit picking it from the original topic. That is what trolls do they obfusicate and divert attention from the topic at hand.
"Why if the atmosphere is
June 16, 2009 - 03:34 ET by troglodyt"Why if the atmosphere is too complex?"
Exactly because it is so complex. If it was simple we could probably calculate what impact we have. As this is not the case I'm cautious.
"Now the trollish part is nit picking it from the original topic. That
is what trolls do they obfusicate and divert attention from the topic
at hand"
I'm just trying to get some clear definitions of the terms in use here. To use words with different meanings as if they had one is, in my opinion, obfuscation and the very reason this debate is so absurd, on both sides I have to add.
You left out some definitions
June 16, 2009 - 10:57 ET by CobraManI see you left out some definitions for "climate:"
1. The meteorological conditions, including temperature, precipitation,
and wind, that characteristically prevail in a particular region.
2. A region of the earth having particular meteorological conditions.
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uhhhh... trog?
June 15, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Willis_Leon_Johnson"Causing something does not mean controlling it."
Actually my friend, if it can be 'caused' by man, it can be controlled by man.
100% of the time.
http://gjresult.com
Do you think the same about
June 15, 2009 - 11:38 ET by troglodytDo you think the same about your children (if you have some)?
children are a different subject.
June 15, 2009 - 13:09 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonChildren are the result of women taking something poked in fun seriously.
Not necessarily the fault of man.
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Sure. Nothing that chains
June 15, 2009 - 13:30 ET by dvdaughtrySure. Nothing that chains can't solve.
Poor example.
You trying to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?
Who has seriously proposed
June 15, 2009 - 10:57 ET by ThisnThatWho has seriously proposed to control the weather?
The left wants to control us, not the weather. They are using climate change lies to that end. In fact, if they could, they would try to control the weather to cause more extreme conditions -- events that they would then point to and say "See? We're all gonna die unless we take all your money". The more extreme say "See? Too many people. Some of you have gotta go".
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As there are many very
June 15, 2009 - 11:49 ET by troglodytAs there are many very conservative proponents of AGW, I think you have to broaden your conspiracy theory.
No, there aren't many
June 15, 2009 - 12:03 ET by ThisnThatNo, there aren't many conservative proponents of AGW. You simply don't know what you are talking about.
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"As there are many very
June 15, 2009 - 15:04 ET by MrShy"As there are many very conservative proponents of AGW"
Yes, I'm with TnT and most, I'm sure. That is an asinine statement.
And how you stubbornly still "tend to see this as a serious problem", after so many of the contradictions have collapsed on this panic-mongering, politicized money-making scam called Global Warming, is beyond me.
You're the next contestant on...
THE MESSIAH IS... LEFT !!
And I should mention...
June 16, 2009 - 10:52 ET by CobraMantroglodyt,
I feel obligated to point out that the global climate is affected by local phenomena and that if several locales are reporting unusually cool weather the global average will drop as a result. You can't exclude local data in calculating global trends, for that trend is based on a series of local measurements, is it not?
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Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
You guys are a bunch of big
June 15, 2009 - 08:10 ET by pcantidoteYou guys are a bunch of big meanie jerks. You don't even care about the polar bears!!!! They are all drowning!!! (even though they are proficient swimmers)...
Enforce Term Limits if They Won't: Vote Against ALL Incumbents in 2010.
We had pictures of submarines cruising a melted arctic sea.
June 15, 2009 - 08:34 ET by sevenIn the 60's. It seems we not only have cooling but it is amplified when he has a major evangelistic event. He fleeces the flock. Oh how cool.
I read last week they are selling carbon credit memberships in Papua Guina.
Algor is a financial fraud enabler.
Any country that can elect a
June 15, 2009 - 08:32 ET by marvlAny country that can elect a fraud like Barack Obama can easily swallow the nonsense being peddled by Al Gore. Which is more stunning, Gore's lack of credibility or the stupidity of those who believe him?
George soros.
June 15, 2009 - 08:42 ET by sevenSoros recently chalked up another financial fraud conviction in Hungary on top of his felony conviction in France. Joseph romm runs Climateprogress web site for him. It calls for imprisonment of skeptics and "deniers".
Soros plays the financial markets by trying to manipulate news.
Romm can't look you in the eye and tell you frozen peach orchards in West texas are due to heat. Frost is also causing major damage to US wheat production this year.
I am sure working for criminal Soros tells us about the workers ethics and character.
I thought it was the other way around...
June 15, 2009 - 14:27 ET by ontheright...George Soros plays (read: skews) the news by manipulating the financial markets...
seven and others... Here
June 15, 2009 - 14:43 ET by bigtimerseven and others...
Here is the latest Soros scheme.
Talk about hypocrisy... but what the heck, his msm wouldn't dare mention this, he owns them....he has to make the $$$ to keep control dontcha know.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
"Which is more stunning,
June 15, 2009 - 09:25 ET by be_objective"Which is more stunning, Gore's lack of credibility or the stupidity of those who believe him?"
exactly "who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him" OWK.
"In any compromise between good and evil, only evil can profit." Ayn Rand
Not to pick nits, but it's
June 15, 2009 - 08:51 ET by ckc1227Not to pick nits, but it's not Summer yet.
After summer begins
June 15, 2009 - 09:16 ET by sevenThe days start getting shorter. Less solar heat.
It is so obvious warming has become an emotional and political movement.
It is tight money times except for application for research grants that in some way want to incude warming notions in the research.
"D" Science Student Al Gore
June 15, 2009 - 09:19 ET by VinncyGand his band of loonies are pushing hard for GW legislation, he has already made a small fortune by having uninformed people back him. The media which is in the democratic tank, will never air the truth about what is currently happening with the state of the climate, they have to much to loose financially if they should actually start acting in as an independent unbiased media.
Aid to Red China
June 15, 2009 - 09:26 ET by slickwillie2001Here's another one: State Department Announces China Will Get US Aid to Fight Non-Existent Global Warming: http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com
So Red China is sitting on at least a trillion US dollars that they don't know what to do with, and we are giving them foreign aid to fight 'global warming'? How ridiculous.
China
June 15, 2009 - 09:44 ET by ThisnThatGood catch -- but I really, really dislike you now for raising my blood pressure like this. What really irritates me is this convoluted logic used by our so-called Government:
And who is Stern? Get this: U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change Todd Stern said that there was “no question” that China would receive both financial and technological assistance from the United States as part of upcoming climate change talks to be conducted in Copenhagen, Denmark.
U.S. Special Envoy for Climate Change??!!!!%^&* Who the hell gave an unelected jackass the authority to spend our money like this? To make these types of decisions? And Obama wants to spend our stimulus money [taxpayer dollars] -- in China?!!
Once again, Slick -- stop posting this crap. I simply can't take it anymore.
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Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying
ThisnThat,
June 15, 2009 - 09:55 ET by AgnosticKnowing how the current administration feels about crisis and the ability to use such instances to grab power the following quote from Hillary Clinton when she created the position of the Special Envoy on Climate Change and introduced Todd Stern to the State Department pretty much sums up what this all really about:
"And let’s be clear. A world in crisis goes well beyond the air we breathe, the food we eat, the water we drink. It is at once an environmental, economic, energy and national security issue with grave implications for America’s and the world’s future."
Use the crisis to control economics, energy production, security and any other issue that can be tied to America's future.
See entire speech here: http://www.state.gov...
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
This means we'll be
June 15, 2009 - 11:07 ET by ckc1227This means we'll be borrowing money from China to give to China to help them fight (non)global warming.
The Lord is Always in Charge
June 15, 2009 - 09:38 ET by 1611LilacLadyFools are revealed , , ,
. . snow in Saudi Arabia, Iraq (remember the pics of soldiers & kids), Las Vegas . . etc.
The Lord is revealing their foolishness!
Proverbs 1:22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Isaiah 5:20a Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil. . . KJV
Global whatever
June 15, 2009 - 09:56 ET by QueenMumI also found the headline for this article interesting in light of the content.
"Warming Can't Slow Glacier"
"All people are born alike - except Republicans and Democrats." - Groucho Marx
Your tag line needs clarification
June 15, 2009 - 10:55 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonRepublicans descended from Humans
Democrats descended from apes.
The difference in intellectual capabilities is never more evident than during political discourse, and therefore proves evolution.
http://gjresult.com
Fat Albert
June 15, 2009 - 11:22 ET by sevenIt isn't over till the Fat Lady sings. Fat Albert is covered with goose bumps. Who would have predicted that?
funny you mention that
June 15, 2009 - 16:37 ET by kangarooWillis a S.C ex pollie compared michelle to an escaped ape and the dems are going ape shit over it (no pun intended) LOL http://blogs.abcnews...
Interesting
June 16, 2009 - 09:07 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonFor years they brag odescending from apes.
Then when it's mentioned, they get offended.
Not proud of the heritage they demand we acknowledge?
http://gjresult.com
As a believer in
June 15, 2009 - 20:27 ET by danboAs a believer in evolution, let me take a few liberties.
Conservatives (many republicans aren't conservatives.) descended from apes.
DemocRATS are still waiting to evolve.
And from another family. Rodents.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
A minor correction....
June 16, 2009 - 09:10 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonYour position requires that my belief system change to fit your belief system.
I find that unacceptable.
On the other hand, my belief system allows your belief system to remain intact.
democrats were evolving nicely... until they began devolving. Such a pity.....
http://gjresult.com
"Life Finds A Way"
June 15, 2009 - 11:09 ET by rammingspeedWe'd have to believe that the promotion of global warming, and what has now been called climate change, was truly related to making conditions better for the world. True believing tools like Al Gore and the rest create the books and movies and do the speeches that carry the propaganda to the people, but sinister political operatives use the claptrap to advance an agenda. And that agenda is to control people; to keep them in centralized areas; to keep people immobilized. That's how a big government system needs things in order to work.
The truth is beginning to hurt the climate crazies. People won't allow obvious, provable lies to control them.
Global Socialism Goal of Climate Change Crew
June 15, 2009 - 11:18 ET by Dumb OxThe Enlightenment philosophes condemned traditional religion for its alleged dogmatism, atrocities, and hypocrisy in the hierarchy. While there are reasons to debate each of those charges, there is absolutely no nit to pick for the same allegations agains the Global Warming conspiracy.
More dogmatic than the Judeo-Christian faiths? No argument there (indeed, Algore's gang will not tolerate argument, and labels opponents as nazis).
Atrocities? Well not counting the 100 million dead attributable to socialism in the 20th century, we still get their willingness to impose massive unemployement and underdevelopment on the world in their campaign to regulate climate. That equals misery and death, in case any Libs are reading this.
Hypocrisy in the hierarchy? Algore and sycophant celebs jetting around the world for the cause... laughable.
Global warming hysteria, or climate change hysteria, if you prefer, is simply a pseudo-religion, or ideology, closely linked to the false faith of Marxism that has been disproved... so now like the good charlatans that they are, the Enviro-socialists have just shifted the argument away from economic laws of history to environmental laws of history.
There's no debating them, they have to be beaten at the ballot box, begining at school boards!
troglodytes
June 15, 2009 - 12:05 ET by misterbillThe problem here is that the temperature inside your cave is fairly consistent year in and year out. Thus, your observations about activitir=es iutside your sphere of knowledge and experience are totally invalid.
Now roll the stone back over the entrance and return to your normal sheletered environment and leave the debate to the surface dwellers.
Lol misterb... Well, I'm
June 15, 2009 - 13:11 ET by bigtimerLol misterb...
Well, I'm still debating whether to start a fire inside my cave or not...it has been a very cool summer here.
Shhh...don't tell Al and his ilk.
What's sad is we all know they will spin this to being caused by global warming too.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt.....it has been unseasonably....
June 15, 2009 - 17:28 ET by BEGRUNTcool here in So Cal....we even have a storm coming in tonight, that normally would have come in February. So yes, we are cooling....and the climate nuts dont know what to do about it. Remember the "cooling" craze in the 70's? Just another scam to suck money out of our pockets!!
Begrunt.... Wll, I
June 15, 2009 - 17:52 ET by bigtimerBegrunt....
Wll, I finally had to start that fire in my cave not long after I posted above...and I'm still keeping it on smolder...
I sure do remember the Cooling Craze in the 70's etc...the Ice Age too somewhat earlier while I was in school...
It's Mother Nature Al...and you can't fool Mother Nature.
Your leftist friends yeah...along with the rest you have that want to make $$$$...but soon people are going to have had their fill.
I just pray it's before Cap and Trade can be passed etc.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
self indulgent
June 15, 2009 - 12:09 ET by soosancarbon credits are nothing more than "indulgences" (re Tetzel and the Catholic Church circa Reformation) you buy some and you get out of purgatory quicker.
Here in Cheeseland we are also running cooler - 7 degrees or so.
So why does my son who graduated from UW Madison last month look at me like I'm the crazy one when I point out articles like this one. Is it ego that has convinced so many folks that they can personally effect global climate?
"indulgences"
June 15, 2009 - 12:53 ET by sevenThe frauds have begun. I do mind giving an opium farmer carbon credits for my deviant behavior. Something wrong here.
20 years ago, I went sailing on superior. It hit 90 degrees onshore and it was the end of the world. They knew we would die. It has cooled since then thankfully.
taxation will do nothing.
June 15, 2009 - 12:54 ET by sevenNo one has ever shown CO2 to fall because of higher taxes.
No one has ever shown CO2
June 15, 2009 - 13:36 ET by Dan The Man 2No one has ever shown CO2 to fall because of higher taxes
It depends on if you keel over dead becuase of the shock. Then theoretically CO2 would decrease. Until teh body began to decompose.
The New Socialist Man/Woman
June 15, 2009 - 12:31 ET by RR GOPThe New Socialist Man/Woman intrinsically knows more than any so-called 'expert'.
Trvth comes from the heart and a clear mind that is in step with the pulse of the Proletariat, thus leading to infinite Wisdom.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
The New Socialist
June 15, 2009 - 20:19 ET by danboThe New Socialist Man/Woman intrinsically knows more than any so-called 'expert'.
Limited Disclosure: I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.
Arctic Ice twice as thick as expected ...
June 15, 2009 - 13:59 ET by metaphorsbwithuWhen Arctic Ice Extent increased at a record pace over the last couple of fall/winters, the "experts" switched to density as a better indicator of Arctic ice concentration ... although I do suppose they expect us to assume ice was denser in the past.
However, a French team recently discovered that Arctic ice was TWICE as thick as was expected:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5301082/Climate-change-The-elements-conspire-against-the-warmists.html
It won't be long before some GW Alarmist comes up with yet another model that predicts warming causes increased ice density at the North Pole.
metaphorsbwithu
"Arctic ice twice as thick
June 15, 2009 - 14:21 ET by Jack BauerAmazing, when you talk to them, Al Gore and the rest of the Global Warmist Cultists are also TWICE as thick as expected.
Co-incidence? I think not.
Global Warmist Cultists are also TWICE as thick as expected.
June 15, 2009 - 14:50 ET by Rukus"Global Warmist Cultists are also TWICE as thick as expected."
Twice as dense, too!!
Gary
Gettin' along is so much easier than buttin' heads. - My Dad
And funner too! - Me
Obama said he would bring Change
June 15, 2009 - 14:07 ET by dark_dsObama said he would bring Change .. apparently it was just Climate Change as in Global cooling.
In related development Obama has stopped the building of the border fence on the Mexican Border and has proposed putting up a Glacier Fence along the Canadian Border.
_______ Him and the Unicorn he rode in on
Global Temp Data
June 15, 2009 - 15:28 ET by slickwillie2001Global Temperature Trend Update: http://reason.com/blog/show/134025.html
"Every month University of Alabama at Huntsville climatologists John Christy and Roy Spencer report the latest global temperature trends from the satellite data. Below are the newest data updated through May 2009. Interestingly, there has been essentially no warming trend for nearly a decade now."
Gore Hiding
June 15, 2009 - 18:30 ET by GoodieShouldn't he be in NO KOREA with Madeline Albright trying to get his employees released from prison? Or is that to much of a Carbon Footprint, just let them rot their.
O's last day 1-20-2012, or sooner if he keeps going as he has...
Truth is of no concern to the left
June 17, 2009 - 06:04 ET by Blogger Guy00001Leftists don't look at truth as something objective. To them, truth is relative. Truth is whatever you want it to be.
So don't expect the left to admit that it notices that this Spring and last year's have been cooler than expected.
But when we have a hot day in August, expect them to remind us that it's "global warming" that's doing it.