CNN Co-founder: High Fox News Ratings Caused by Anger


You just know it has to be killing the folks at CNN and MSNBC that Fox News has completely overwhelmed them in the ratings. In fact, the combined number of viewers of both of those networks still doesn't match that of Fox News. Could it be that the public is sick of the fawning coverage given to the Obama administration by most of the mainstream media and look to Fox News for providing more balanced stories? That is something that the MSM people just can't confess. So what is their excuse for the ratings dominance by Fox News? CNN co-founder, Reese Schonfeld, provides a laughably lame excuse in the Huffington Post. First he presents an accurate but painful picture (from his POV) of the cable news ratings:

Nine years ago, when FoxNews sprinted past CNN to become America's number one news network, I attributed its ratings gains to the election of George Bush and the triumph of Fox-watching conservatives. I figured conservatives would be savoring their victory while liberals were averting their eyes in disgust. For the next eight years, I measured political sentiment in the United States by comparing the size of the FoxNews audience with the combined size of the CNN/MSNBC audience. In this space, I even predicted, with reasonable accuracy, the percent by which Barack Obama won the election based on the split in the news audience.

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Now, seven months after Barack Obama's victory, CNN's ratings have gone down the drain. From May of last year to May of this year, CNN lost 22% of its total primetime audience. MSNBC was down 2%, while FoxNews was up 24%. In the key advertising demographic (25-54), Fox was up 31%, CNN was down 37% and MSNBC was down 26%. In hard numbers, Fox had 109,000 more viewers than last year while CNN lost 113,000. CNN averaged fewer than 200,000 25-54 viewers in primetime. Even MSNBC averaged more viewers than that.

And yet more painful ratings facts reported by Schonfeld:

Total day was nearly as bad, with Fox up 24% and CNN down 7%. MSNBC was down 2% in total viewing. Fox is beating CNN almost two-to-one in most categories.

Having faced the facts on the dismal ratings of CNN, Schonfeld proceeds to avoid the real reason why his network is failing:

There's no need to throw any more numbers at you--Fox is gaining, CNN is wilting. Why is this happening when the country still seems about 58-42 in favor of Obama? My best guess is the passion of those who detest Democrats, liberals, and in particular, Barack Obama.

Try guessing that viewers are bored by the constant Obama adulation that they see on CNN and MSNBC and want a more accurate presentation of the news, Reese.  It seems that Schonfeld had hoped that younger viewers would boost the CNN ratings but they apparently disappointed him:

I had thought better of the television audience, particularly younger viewers who tended to watch CNN and MSNBC. But even that's gone now--Fox leads in 18-49 year-olds.

Oops! Back to square one as Schonfeld continues with the lame excuses:

Here are the best excuses I can think of: maybe a lot of middle-of-the-roaders have just tuned out on all the cable news noise. Maybe other people have better things to do with their lives than listen to pandering pundits. Maybe more generous souls accept that Obama's doing the best he can in a very tough job, and they don't want to hear the details because they know the stars are not shining on America right now.

Maybe the TV audience is growing weary of the MSM treating Barack Obama as Sort of God and want some realistic news coverage of his administration. But who am I to interrupt Reese Schonfeld when he is on a comedy roll?

But, then again, maybe all of the above are wrong. Maybe it's simply the need for an enemy, the desire to detest is greater than the power to tolerate; maybe it's the need to blame somebody else for the bad things that are happening in our lives that drives viewers to Fox. Perhaps those viewers are the next generation of the rich socialites in the old New Yorker cartoon, who dressed up to go to the newsreel theatre and hiss FDR. Only now they can do it at home, watching FoxNews. Maybe the joy of defeat is underestimated.

Or maybe your silly anger theory excuse for CNN's (and MSNBC's) ratings failure is full of baloney.  Matching Schonfeld's excuses in the entertainment department are the ones provided by the posted comments below his story:

The author forgets about the magnetism of a spectacle in assuming that everyone who watches FOX agrees with it. Plenty of people simply watch FOX News in order to see someone do something ridiculous. I'd attribute its gain in 18-49 year olds partially to that and partially in the general flight of the audience to the internet.

Conservatives are unemployed, sitting home on the couch, watching TV, downing a brew, wishing W. was there to share a few rounds with them.

Some folks tune in to see what those who promote violence and hatred are saying because it is wise to know your enemies. Some folks tune in to laugh at the ridiculousness that is Faux News. The stance of Faux News, for the most part, is 1950's America (O'Reilly, Ingraham, Hannity, Beck, Coulter). Dinosaurs who refuse to step into the 21st Century. It truly is like watching a species become extinct right before your eyes.

Back to Fox's ratings. I do think the channel reflects people's opinions, but I also think it (and conservative talk radio) helps to create those opinions as well. Kind of like Starbucks creating a larger demand for high-end coffee every time it entered a new market.

Ah! The Starbucks theory for Fox News ratings success. May have your permission to print that one out, laminate it, and carry it around in my wallet?

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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The answer

Journalists seem to be completely incapable of looking into the mirror and saying "is there something wrong with ME?"

Much easier to say "no, it's those other people who have the problem" isn't it? 

The MSM is exactly like that. 

Journalists have that issue?!?

Journalists?!? Dare I say LIBERALS have that issue? Heck, humankind in general has that issue.

It just seems that the Conservatives at least try to work on their problems, accept responsibility, and kick out the non-performers and criminal elements, instead of accepting their faults, blaming their parents and celebrating the worst of the worst. Olbie comes to mind.....

WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare,

"Journalist" is a synonym

"Journalist" is a synonym for "liberal".

At least 90% of them the last time anybody bothered to check into it. 

 

This is the sort of story........

This is the sort of reporting that just pisses me off!!  ARGHHH!! 

"I've sentenced boys younger then you to the gas chamber.  Didn't want to do it, but I felt I owed it to them."  Judge Smails 

He would kill.....

To have such "angry" viewers or any viewers for that matter.  CNN's decline in ratings is due to it loss oif credibility as a news source since it has become part of the Obama state run media.

 

Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.

Want the truth?

some of the liberal media devotes a lot of time covering Hannity, rush and O'reilly among others.  The ratings show 2 things.  The left is watching the original stories on fox and the Media is watching fox to make stories. 

All they want to talk about is Fox and gushing ober the Obama. 

 

Well done PJ

There is no wrong way to eat a Reese.

Money shot there, acumen..

Money shot there. The wheels are coming off the left as we speak.

2010: A GOP Hill

  Anger ? Or just folks

 
Anger ? Or just folks tired of being suckered by obvious biasednes ? You don't have to be a conservative to be sick and tired of the buttkissing and schilling MSNBC, CNN and the other networks do.

I'll bet the pickup in viewers are due to independents and liberals tuning in, since Fox has had a fairly consistent loyal base of viewers through the years.

 

 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

You hit the nail on the head

<blockquote>I'll bet the pickup in viewers are due to independents and liberals tuning in...</blockquote>

Oxycon~

I'm an Independent who started watching Fox last fall...and stayed there.  The MSM makes me sick to my stomach with their one-sided pandering.

you think Sean Hannity =

you think Sean Hannity = balanced coverage?! i would think you guys would be a little more tuned into biased in the meda.  Fox is biased to the right.  just because you agree with them doesnt make them unbiased, and really, if you were truly interested in balanced media, you would be as critical of fox as your are to MSNBC.  both are bad for america

FOX Rules

The majority of Americans obviously disagree with your assertion.

I thought 'concensus' was a good thingy?

Too bad you don't realize

Too bad you don't realize how totally unbalanced the old media is, and why people are hungry for the other side of the story.  Fox provides that, and so, once again, demand creates supply.  If the old media weren't so completely unbalanced to the left, no counterbalance would be necessary, or called for.

By going into the tank for the left, especially Bungler Obama, the old media has cut its own throat, and the bleeding is obvious.

No, I don't

but that's not the point of the show. Hannity is a commentary. The scroll at the bottom of the screen is the news. Each network has their commentaries, though for straight news reporting, Fox is the fairest. At least when discussing news items, they have both sides of the story represented. Bob Beckel is a Fox News contributer! Who's a bigger lib than Bob Beckel? CNN and MSNBC rarely have a republican point of view, and never have a true conservative point of view.

Who's a bigger lib than Bob Beckel?

I have to go with Ed Schultz....ideologically as well as physically.

But Beckel, at least, is mostly coherent.

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

What Obama giveth with one hand he taketh away with both hands.

To uncriticalthinking

You miss the whole concept of the topic. Yes Mr. Hannity is biased to the right. But he openly says he is a "Reagan Conservative". Before Alan Colmes left the evening show, he was openly liberal. That was what viewers were knew when they tuned to the show. There is nothing wrong with having different political opinions especially when there is some effort to include many different guests from both sides of the political spectrum.

 Where CNN and especially MSNBC fail is that throughout the daily presentation of the news and continuing through the evening commenatry shows, both those networks distort or non -report news that differs from their very liberal agenda.

It is apparent to many folks and they are turning away from this one-sided approach to journalism.

 

 

Excuse me,

but what are you talking about.  If presenting both sides of most stories is biased, then maybe CNN, PMSDNC, and the "major" networks ought to try it. 

The liberal line: if the facts aren't on your side, make something up!!

No...

Sean Hannity is not, and does not pretend to be, an unbiased journalist or news reporter.  He's a political commentator, a pundit, a talk show host. 

Fox separates their hard news (usually) from their commentary, unlike the MSM, where they present one-sided "news," and claim to be neutral. I'm not talking about Olbermann and Matthews, I am talking about Couric, Williams, Rather, and the rest of the so-called "journalists" on those networks.  They creatively edit interviews to make conservatives look bad and libs look good.  Tell just their half of the story.  Position left-leaners in the republican party as normal and conservatives as extremists.  Label every person with a differing opinion as a "conservative," while never applying the honest label of "liberal" to even the furthest left wackjobs.

At least on Fox, you get both sides of the actual "news."  If it sounds biased, it's simply because liberals are used to watching one-sided reports of so-called "news." So, when libs watch Fox, they see facts that don't align with their world view.  They hear differing opinions that don't fit with their idealistic manufactured utopia.  They simply get facts and opinions that they don't see on the alphabet soup networks, and because the facts and opinions contradict their perceived reality, they become afraid.  So they run and hid.  They scream bias -- but they are really screaming into the mirror.  Liberals talk tolerance, they claim progressive ideals, but they are really just the modern manifestations of Torquemada, Stalin, and Mao.

Liberals claim that Fox is biased because liberals are intolerant of opposing points of view. 

Hannity

I'm a Fox News watcher and I actually agree with you that Hannity is not balanced, but I don't consider his show to be classified as "news" any more than I would consider Larry King's show to be. 

I agree!

Clearly liberal reporting is based more off of the feelings and emotions of the correspondant than on fact. For example, it doesn't feel good to report the underhanded dealings of prominent democrats like John Murtha and Diane Feinstein, and it doesn't feel good to report on the unprovoked killing of an Army recruiter by an anti-government muslim convert because those are issues that would put a damper on the Democrat agenda! Instead it is perfectly acceptableto remain blissfully mum on these subjects whilst pinning the murder of Tiller on Bill O'Reilly and all Pro-Life Americans (which, they also failed to report, account for more than Pro-Choice Americans.)

The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen

The liberal media wants you

The liberal media wants you to compare Hannity to their regular news reporting if you're going to compare them.  They don't want you comparing their direct news with FNC's direct news.

what??

Hannity is clearly a conservative and he makes no attempt to hide it on any of his shows.  Not a single pundit, announcer or "journalist" on CNN, MSNBC or any of the major media outlets will do that.  Rather, they will do their best to have you believe they are "center" or just all knowing.  Look at the smugness of the left and that should tell you all you need to know about them. 

Look at it this way - for eight years it mattered not what Bush did that was reported by any of the above mentioned networks.  All that mattered to them is Bush did something and for that, it was always wrong.  Compare that to their fawning treatment of Obama.  This argument of, "well so, FOX is to the right just as much as CNN or MSNBC is to the left" is a canard and a typical "equivocation" made by the left.

The fact is, FOX reports and has democrat and republicans on their show to balance it out.  They are more in tune with getting the facts and reporting them.  That is the reason people like you consider them so far right.  A typical leftist program rarely reports the facts or usually only gives half of them to improve their sides standing.  By the way, when was the last time Olberman or Maddow had an opposing viewpoint on their shows?  That answer is never. 

As for getting rid of both to "solve" the problem - you are way off and everybody knows it.

Nice Name...

Too bad Liberals are not capable of critical thinking. They are too caught up in their hero worship to even realise how ridiculous they sound. And to be honest, I'm not interested in 'balanced media,' because the more left leaning a report goes the further it is from the truth.

The big print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.
Fulton J. Sheen

I love it when it when left

I love it when it when left wing loon liberals get their feelings hurt.  They start spewing out moronic talking points which do not refute any fact of what's being discussed, kind of like ahem criticalthinking, which is arguable.  You may want to change your handle because you're a running joke with that last comment.

So, more Democrats watch Fox News than all other cable news stations.  Why is that?  Because they aren't complete lunatics that's why.  

 

 When the people fear the government it's called tyranny, when the government fears the people it's called liberty!

Hmmmm, except it is

Hmmmm, except it is not.

The classic Fox-ism of "We report, you decide" holds accurate for their news coverage and at least if they are covering an issue they will approximate fairness by holding similar numbers of persons from each side of the issue on their panels.

THis is not true of all the other nets.

Of course Sean is biased and

Of course Sean is biased and leans to the right. But what differentiates him from the Olberloon, Maddow, and typical MSM tripe is that he has guests on his show who hold opposing viewpoints. And then he beats them down with logic and truth. The Left is incapable of telling the truth.They couch everything in dishonest rhetoric and it is like shooting fish in a barrel for conservatives. Have you EVER seen KeithO have an intelligent conservative (or any conservative for that matter) on his show to debate his hate mongering? It just doesn't happen. The fact that the MSM will just flat out ignore stories that don't support its leftist agenda irritates Americans. Fox may lean to the right, but it doesn't ignore stories and it does a pretty good job of showing both sides. That's why it dominates. People are sick of the medias liberal hypocrisy and Obama worship, sick I tell you.

Kev... ...Hear,

Kev...

...Hear, Hear!

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

RIght leaning fox vs totally left CNN/MSNBC

Critical,

You have obviously not looked up the studies concerning media bias. I just completed a research paper about media bias. Fox News is CENTERIST with some right lean. MSNBC rates in the EXTREME range on the left. CNN also has been rated as centerist, but since the election began has swayed futher left. You are talking about degrees of lean from center. Fox is a little... CNN/MSNBC are a lot. Don't believe me? Read it for yourself:

Election Study Finds Media Hit Hillary Hardest Fox News most fair and balanced (not a typo)

The Color of News: How Different Media Have Covered the General Election

Is Newspaper Coverage of Economic Events Politically Biased?

Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist

Sorry to say, bud but, Fox isn't even in the same league as CNN/MSNBC when it comes to media bias. Comparing CNN and MSNBC to Fox over bias is like comparing an Olympic Gold Medal gymnastic routine to Napolean Dynamite dancing it up on stage.

Doc

Hey CT...

...since when did the truth become biased? I thought only a lie could be biased...and we all know the dim/liberals are masters of the spin (read: lies).

I guess you just had a brain hiccup with that critical thinking, and all.

Don't confuse news ANALYST with news REPORTER.

Fox doesn't...their news ANALYSTS don't pretend to be unbiased.

The rest of the MSM counts on the ignorance of the difference by their readers and viewers.

And Fox carries a much more balanced selection of news ANALYSTS from different sides; invites opposing points of view (unlike Olbermann) and treats them civilly (unlike Matthews or especially Schultz).

This is called 'biased to the right' by those biased to the LEFT because Fox is the only one who strives NOT to be biased.

And Fox is whipping the MSM's *** in ratings because the average viewer doesn't like their intelligence insulted by snotty arrogant political hacks who get their marching orders direct from the White House telling them what a ****** up country they live in and bowing to the Prophet Obama (PBUH) five times per day.

And we have chronicled repeated examples of untruths, half-truths, insinuations, innuendoes and misinformation, ethical breaches, conflicts of interest, arguably treasonous disclosures and outright coordinated government propaganda on the part of the MSM.

I'll bet your idea of 'right' is anyone to the 'right' of Cindy Sheehan.

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

What Obama giveth with one hand he taketh away with both hands.

'critical thinking' lol sorry that amuses me.... funny. Answer

the questions posed to you by those who took the time to respond to your assine post please : ) 

PS  Yes we know you are a troll and just wanted to sqeeze your hot steamy pile out for all of us to 'admire'....   

Clean up aisle 9...  another 'ct' post....  geez that one smells bad!

Maybe it's because...

...MSBS, as Mike Huckabee calls them, has become the Bizarro World of cable news and CNN is following them in a race to the tiolet.

I'm a glutton for punishment?

It's truly the strangest of strange dichotomies- Those who possess the greatest levels of narcissism, refuse the image in their mirror...

If they do look in the

If they do look in the mirror, all they see is perfection - they can't understand why others see them as deeply flawed. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

you think Sean Hannity =

you think Sean Hannity = balanced coverage?!

 

Sean Hannity is a pundit. He doesn't try to hide the fact who's team he's on. We're talking about basic news reporting. The other networks have pundits and shills masquerading as journalists

In basic news reporting Fox is the fairest hands down. It's not so much that Fox is to the right, it's just that the others are so far-left, it makes them appear that way.

 

Fox was the only network to expose Obama for the Marxist he was, and his unsavory network of friends and aqaintances while the other ones whistled past the grave yard. In other words they did their job. I'd say Fox is pretty damn good for America if you ask me.

 

 

 

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Schonfeld may have a point...

...Fox ratings vs. CNN/MSNBC ratings do prove there are more angry Americans than there are stupid ones...

→ I'll buy that

The hard working middle class really don't care to be told how hateful they are for giving only 45% in taxes. (check it out, there are plenty of hidden taxes)

I watch FOX because it speaks for me, and I'd much rather watch Megyn, Cavuto, Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and Greta than a bunch of sitcoms telling me how stupid I am as a middle-aged white male.

And when Gutfeld throws out his nightly "worse than Hitler", I think of puny Olbermann and his nightly attempt to reach up and touch O'reilly's shoestrings.

"The Rule of Law is the only thing that separates us from Democrats" - a Firefighter

In my best Ed McMahon voice...

"You are correct, sir."

<<"My best guess is the passion of those who detest Democrats, liberals, and in particular, Barack Obama.">>

 

I can't imagine how depressed I'd feel right now if FoxNews languished in last place right now.  As it is, I feel quite patriotic and can't stand to have CNN, NBC, or MSNBC tuned in for five seconds. 

 

 

".....Maybe more generous

".....Maybe more generous souls accept that Obama's doing the best he can in a very tough job, and they don't want to hear the details..."

Now if that were the case, wouldn't that be MUSIC to any power-hungry president's (or any politician's) ears?

And uhhh, "generous?"  Try apathetic.......for anything regarding our nation.  People just accepting anything and everything big daddy wants to do.  Dictatorships begin like that too.

Can't watch CNN

not because I am angry but because I get angry after only a few moments into any of their broadcasts. They are so in the tank for the left and the far left SOBama I can't stand them.

Actually, truth be told, before FOX came along, I had no idea how biased the CNN's of the world are.

I thank God for FOX. I yell at them too but at least I can watch and truly get both sides of an issue.

Their shows and hosts are much better.

Now that I think about it, FOX ROCKS, and knocks the socks off their competition!

Excuse Me...

Can YOU read?

 

Liberals have the MSM, we have talk radio and Fox

And Fox does give the liberal side their ridiculous say.  How else can you explain Shepard Smith, Geraldo, Greta and Alan Colmes?

It's just plain bad business to let your competion have the edge over you.  CNN, by it's loathing of conservatism, has forfeited the entire conservative audience and must split the wacko left with NBC, ABC, CBS, and MSNBC.  See, liberals really are stupid!

Angry White Dude

www.angrywhitedude.c...

splitting the left…

 … add NPR, PBS (one of my personal favorites, Bill Moyers), national news magazines, most major American newspapers, and just about anything coming out of Hollywood to your wacko left media list. 

Re talk radio

An important qualifier btw, –we don't really have 'talk radio', we have commercial talk radio, an important distinction. Rush has the largest audience in talk radio, around 17 million. The #2 and #3 talk radio spots are on PBS, and together those two shows bring in around 26 million, far more than Rush Limbaugh. In the hubbub over fairness doctrine, this imporant point must be thrown back at the liberals every chance we get.

Smart like a FOX-----

What's the mystery about this issue, shouldn't it be obvious? There is a certain number of possible viewers of cable television news, FOX News Channel is considered conservative, okay. Literally all the other cable news services are liberal, too a fault, and are the ones fighting for that divided audience, divided among themselves. FOX therefore has the other approximately 50% of all viewers to themselves, simple enough...If any one of the other networks wanted to get a piece of the action, just add some conservative programing, but their ideology won't permit it.

Oh, but it won't be a problem, liberal media with the help of their cohorts in congress will just implement some sort of "Fairness Doctrine" to level the playing field, just another assault on freedom brought to America by the "Onederful One".

Listening to CNN trying to

Listening to CNN trying to downplay Fox's success reminds me of a classic Yogi Berra quote.  A reported asked him if he ever went to a certain popular New York restaurant.  Yogi responded "Nobody goes there, it's always too crowded."

Nice quote.

Never heard that one 'till now!

Anger

You damn right, I'm angry. I just watched Fox News Sunday's guest segment. I'm angry partly because the mouthpiece from the WH Economic Recovery Board, Austan Goolsbee, couldn't answer a question without saying something about George Bush. He always lead with "let me say two things. First you're wrong and second if you don't believe that, Bush made us do it". It is as if Bush was so diabolical that in his last few months he has forced Obama to do every unpopular, stupid thing that a government can do. Its like that the guy in The Godfather that turned. When asked before Congress what the Corleones did he said this and that. As Obama's idiots say: "Yeah, Bush did this, Bush did that, yeah, Obama said when you ask a question, yeah, Bush did it".

jaywl~

I noticed that last night on Beck's program (I think it was, anyway) where one of the Fox reporters tried to get an answer out of Barney Fudd, er, Frank about auditing ACORN and he kept spewing crap about "the Bush administration" completely trying to deflect the question.  It was beyond maddening.

Fudd

One of the great things about NB is that most of the members have a sense of humor in addition to the concerns we have. I like Fudd!

I noticed that too. This

I noticed that too. This white house can't say anything without first putting all the blame on President Bush. They think if they say it often enough, it will begin to stick. Well, it ain't sticking. It's just making us madder.

___________________________________ 

Liberals constantly demand that we accept a glaring falsehood as truth; Obama's elimination of the word "terror" will make terrorist acts less terrifying

Let me get this straight,

Let me get this straight, he says about Fox News and its personalities:

"It truly is like watching a species become extinct right before your eyes."

Yes the article is about the explosion of Fox News and the wilting of CNN and MSNBC...hahahahahahahaha! Hell even "horse kicked me in the mouth and left a scar" Tiny Fey couldn't write a better comedy script than this!

(You recently heard of the uncondemned "buy black" movement? Well
since the LEFTIST social conscience hasn't spoken a word of
condemnation...it's time to "BUY WHITE". And when you decide to use
your money to only profit "your people" making sure your cars, houses,
investments and even servers at restaurants are "your people" and your money is being circulated to "your people" maybe then the blacks that are silentand refuse to condemn this will realize a lot of "their" money was coming from whites and is now gone).

Reality is the good friend of the strong and perception is the cruel master of the weak.

Next Please!

The "dino-media" is

The "dino-media" is so-called not just because they are the old media - but because just like their namesakes, they're dying without the awareness of why.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

My Fear...............

I fear that one day I will go to watch Fox News and it will be gone.  Same with Rush Limbaugh on the radio.

You just never seem to know with Obama and what his goons will do.  I am sure they would love nothing more than for Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to disappear.  

In all seriousness, could that happen, or could they make that happen? I'm not into conspiracies but sometimes I wonder.


If they try to remove a

If they try to remove a whole cable news channel, it would be part of a general crack down on free speech that I would hope cause a massive revolt. 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

No, but...

You wouldn't see anything so dramatic as FOX or Rush going away.  What you might see is something more like fewer stations carrying Rush (to make room for more liberal programming under some sort of "fairness doctrine") or you'd see FOX news start leaning left under a similar plan.  They'd still exist, but in a government enforced, compromised form.

 

I remember reading somewhere...

...that the FCC, rather than pull broadcast licenses, might 'fine' any station that did not carry 'diverse' enough programming.

The station would even be allowed to carry the same programming as long as it paid the 'fine'.

The money would go to 'public broadcasting'. Of course 'diversity' would never be an issue for these stations.

I thought the government wasn't supposed to tax free speech?

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

What Obama giveth with one hand he taketh away with both hands.

HE... They'll be giving

HE...

They'll be giving it their best shot to do so...anyway they can.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

I was thinking last night

I was thinking last night what would happen if the so called fairness doctrine came back. Rush would move to satelitte radio. We may even see a resurgence of shortwave radio. The FCC can't control satelitte or short wave if the stations broadcast from offshore or even Canada. Rush could still sit in Florida, send his program to an uplink in Canada and the FCC would be powerless to stop it. A lot of AM stations will go belly up because they would lose money carrying liberal gook. Sirius has added a lot of left programming that I don't believe is paying off. They too will discover that lefty talkers are a loser.

Semper suprene nitens

rick...Yep, Rush and others

rick...

Yep, Rush and others aren't going anywhere...I think I have even heard him mention satellite if it came down to it.

Music to my ears. 

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

I would love it if Rush

I would love it if Rush moved to satellite. Then I could really get in on the fun. And there wouldn't be a thing Ottawa could do about it.

mandrake... Are you saying

mandrake...

Are you saying you can't get his show on the computer?

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Yup, I'm that dumb..do you

Yup, I'm that dumb..do you have a link?

Try google mandrake...you

Try google mandrake...you can get his site...it's only seven bucks a month.

You can get it it for free at TalkStreamLive.

You do the rest yourself.

Btw..look to your right under the recent posts column and you will see links to talk radio shows here on NBs...Rush is one of them.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

WLS for free :) Used to play the hits back in the '70's and

early 80's...  Not sure when the format changed...    I was too busy in Okinawa.

I would disregard Canada.

Their human rights comissions will find a way to crucify Rush.  Not because he is a source of hate speech mind you, but because Canada's human right's comissions have become a hornet's nest of multiculturalism/political correctness inquisitions.  To see what I'm talking about, read The Tyranny of Nice by Kathy Shaidle & Pete Vere and Shakedown by Ezra Levant.  What's going on in Canada is scary and it can so easily happen here.

“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”

Samuel Adams

CNN vs FOX

Sounds like lots of people are doing exactly what I did: ditch CNN for FOX because I used to think CNN was a good "straight" news source.  And I think at one time they used to be.  But over the years, CNN has tilted further and further left and I finally couldn't take it anymore.  I needed more than the liberal half of the news.  So I started going to FOX instead.

I can still get plenty of liberal news from every other source in the world, but I need to watch FOX if I want something other than liberal news.

If CNN would ever go back to straight news, I'd consider tuning in again.  I don't see that happening, though.  I think in the end it's going to be CNN vs MSNBC to see who keeps the liberals and who goes under.  FOX isn't even in that competition.

CNN's former "straight

CNN's former "straight news" was still biased to the left - although, like the rest of their ilk - they were more subtle about it. In that way, I think now they are open about it (grotesquely so) it's almost better, because people now can immediately see the bias - no ifs, ands, or buts.

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

To everything there is a season

Fox is gaining, CNN is wilting. Why is this happening when the country still seems about 58-42 in favor of Obama?

  'Seems' is the operative word here.  All of life is cycles.  What goes up must come down and vice-versa.  The dems/libs have reached a zenith with 'The One'.  They can't top this parade of love and admiration so the next dem presidential hopefull will be made out of clay.  All this handwringing about how to rebuild the Republican Party is somewhat overblown.  In politics people more often vote out a party than vote one in.  That's why obama was elected.  So all the Republicans have to do is be standing in the correct place and the winds of change will take them back up. 

  The fact that Fox is gaining and the lib kissers are losing means there is a growing undercurrent of discontent with the direction of the country.

 

more basic answer

that guy is thinking too much.  the problem is easier to diagnose than that.  The real problem with PSMSNBC and CNN is intellectual elitism.  Viewersby enlarge don't like to be talked down to; they don't like to be made to feel inferior.  Liberal commentators invaribly do that.  They deliver the news and always seem to add, "If someone as stupid as you can understand that." Once while trapped in an airport bar (Dr. Pepper only), I was forced to watch some CNN.  The show had on it Wolf Blitzer, Donna Brazille, and some other famous liberal.  The guy on the stool next to me came right out and said it, "I can't stand the way that woman (Brazille) talks down to everybody.  She thinks Al Gore is a saint and if you don't think, you're stupid."  He then asked the bartender to change the channel.  When the bartender didn't immediately do that, the man left.  That is the way people in the general viewing audience feel.  They're tired of this attitude and tired of being treated as if they were barbarians at the gate of the Ivory Tower..  By contrast, I don't think there is a single commentator on FOX who adopts this intellectually elite persona.

 Cancel all your satellite tv subscriptions and MSNBC would go away. 

 

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Oh Lawd!

It's that some butthurt I see from CNN and MSNBC?

CNN, MSNBC or Fox

Mr Schonfeld's

When the grass looks greener on the other side of the fence (Fox), try fertilizing your own lawn (CNN, MSNBC)

I believe...

...those two cable outlets have done too much fertilizing, and therein lies the problem. It appears to me (what little I watch for "laugh value") that the journalists there are full to their eyeballs with crap...er...fertilizer.

I would not say it is hate...

...it is the fact that there is only one news channel that displays conservative views and the other channels have to split the liberal audience.

Plus lets not forget the am radio's Hannity and O'Reilly they both have their own shows on FOX. Glen Becks show is also popular, add a some very attractive and smart female anchors like Megyn Kelly and you have a winning combination.

He had my vote

"Back to Fox's ratings. I do

"Back to Fox's ratings. I do think the channel reflects people's opinions, but I also think it (and conservative talk radio) helps to create those opinions as well. Kind of like Starbucks creating a larger demand for high-end coffee every time it entered a new market."

Does something better "create" an opinion? Of course. Who didn't want to dance like Fred Astaire once Fred Astaire came along?   

Am I writing slow enough for the liberally impaired?

Now to coffee. Most American coffee was, how can I put this nicely, DRECK! So, yes, "high-end" coffee tasted better and when Starbucks entered the market, people flocked to it. And, because of capitalist competition, Starbucks soon faced everyone from McDonald's to Dunkin' Donuts entering those same markets making coffee arguably as good and cheaper.

So Americans finally had options in watching and listening to news and opinion. Fox News, Rush, Hannity, etc. They were no longer stuck with the News Porn networks: CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, PBS. And they weren't stuck with the local car chase, weather, and sports outlets. They had competition and that created the opinion that CNN and its ilk just didn't cut it.

But unlike the free market where choice is a good thing that must be met as a challenge and an inspiration, the left sees competition as something that must be crippled, or better still, killed.

As for being angry? I'm almost never angry. Why does the left equate a difference of opinion with anger? Especially since the left is almost unrelenting, unmercilessly angry?

OK, I'm done. I sure do feel like a cup of coffee.

A strong and bitter

A strong and bitter cup of coffee? :) 

The "Mainstream" Media: By liberals. For liberals.

Actually this is comical to

Actually this is comical to me...the left just refuse to face the facts when it comes to their decline in ratings or sales as in print...did anyone catch Christa Freeland this morning on Reliable Sources...OMG...she is absolutely in the Eleanor Clift Column...they really do not get it...her gobbledy-gook (sp) was a classic.

I tried to find the link for quite awhile...got interrupted, but it is priceless and says it all to how their brains work...if you want to call it that.

They really believe their own BS...I just shake my head.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Low CNN ratings

Not enough ignorant people left to watch CNN. Eventually everybody wises up and your ratings go to zero.

How Can CNN Lose

With stars like "Joke" Cafferty, Sanchez, Brown (her voice could curdle milk), Larry (Weekend at Bernie's) King and Rick "Manslaughter" Sanchez, how can CNN lose?

 

BW222

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Why is CNN's numbers in the toilet?   Hummm well they had Glenn Beck and instead of giving him his own show they let him leave for FOX and now he crushes ANY and EVERY show of 60 minutes or longer that CNN has.  

Earth to CNN you keep Roland Martin he of the 200,000 viewers and you let Beck of of the 2,000,000 viewers go.  Why?  Because Beck is conservative and Martin is liberal.  Mystery solved.

Jack

"If at age 20 you are a conservative then you have no heart.  If at age 30 you are a liberal then you have no brains."   Sir Winston Churchill

Communist News Network!

That comment is hilarious. Everyone knows that the most angry person in this country, just happens to be Barack Obama.  The fact that he apologizes on his foreign visits proves it.

How is that liberals were so

How is that liberals were so angry for the past eight years while CNN tanked. We are to believe that liberals don't watch news out of anger but conservatives do? What a crackpot theory. Given all the BDS over the past eight years CNN and MSLSD should have been mopping up the floor. Also given the fact that Bush slapped the face of conservatives on more than one occasion (Prescription drugs, shamnesty) why didn't FNC go down if it's mostly fawning Bush lovers who make up the audience?

CNN has lost viewership

CNN has lost viewership because they are totally in the tank for Obama no matter what.  Even if Obama is completely wrong about something, CNN will support him.  Rather than critically analyze the news with fairness and non-bias, CNN would rather promote their choice for President at all costs: even lost ratings.  CNN is like a 24 hour infomercial for the Democratic party.  

This is Great!

I must add, P.J. is a genius with his Dummies Funnies blog.  I've mentioned it here before but just in case, there is a great website called www.conservativecave.com.  There is a section there called The Dumpster where posters visit the democratic underground (same as P.J. does) and post threads from the DUmp which truly exemplify the skewed world of liberals and comments are made.  It's truly entertaining. 

Of course, if everyone went back to CNN...

...it would be because of their desire to see objective, complete reporting without bias or total dishonesty...not out of 'anger'. NOT.

This is the same kind of industrial-strength sniveling you'd expect at a Little League game...from the KIDS, not the adults.

Waaaaahhh.....Mooooommmy!!!

NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE

What Obama giveth with one hand he taketh away with both hands.

So... to validate his theory

So... to validate his theory then. Very few democrats watch the news? If loss from CNN, MSNBC translates into gains on FOX and it is basically angry people switching then you would have to say then that the people who voted for Obama dont watch news..or very few of them do and its all the "angry republicans" switching formats....hmmmm that really opens up a whole new aurgument about who it was that actually voted for Obama and why. Which backs up my theory of the ignorant and uninformed.

So your ratings are down,

So your ratings are down, huh.  Gee, that really sucks.  I guess maybe in the not too distant future you guys aren't going to get paid for sitting around and spewing Socialist fantasies that normal people grow out of once they have families and real responsibilities in life.

One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).

Of course they'll get paid....

 When they get thier bailout money.  Obama isn't going to let his biggest supporters go under.  The print papers want a bailout..if they get it, how long do you think it'll be before the cable news channels get thier handouts?

Destiny rarely calls on you when it is convenient!

I watch Fox News because...

I know Conservatives like myself will get a fair shake.  That does not happen anywhere else in the "main stream media".  Jim Webster

FOX going network....hmmm

What are the chances of FOX going network and not just on cable?  Imagine people getting FOX for free and making all liberal heads explode.

Re: Fox News broadcast

Politically that would be a winner, but commercially I don't know if it would work. But, I have always wondered why the Fox Entertainment Network doesn't import some news from Fox News Network, like perhaps the Bret Baier Special Report at 6pm ET. The answer to that is that in local broadcast TV stations, the local news is a big profit center for the station, and they would not want to give up those time slots.

Interesting idea though. You wouldn't really need a large incremental staff, just buy transmitters and FCC licenses in big markets to start, and then satellite-link the Fox News feed. They would be mostly tech-staffed. That would drive the liberals nuts.

Somehow I would like to see the liberal lock on broadcast news broken.

They would never be allowed

They would never be allowed the FCC licensing. They would run up the old anti-trust Murdoch flag again and it would be shot down.

Some Fox News is carried by

 Our local affiliates on the weekends

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Anderson Cooper and his ilk

is where to go for news on BHO's puppy, Michelle's fashion tips etc. That basically puts them on the celebrity news beat, competing with Entertainment Tonight and those shows. No way to take CNN seriously when their "no bias no bull'' panelists are all using White House talking points.

They'll Never Get It; They'll Never Admit It

Schonfeld is in shock. Here he is, an elitist drinking the finest libations at the best of the progressive gatherings, having everyone there tell him that he and they are the best. There is no other pov to consider. So the rationalizations bubble up and out and expose the unreal world of the Left. Crazy fun to watch.

elitist

What did you expect an elitist that knows what we should be watching to say.

other reason

One other reason I think fox is doing better is because it has less commercials. For every commercial break fox has, cnn has at least 3 or 4.

I'm 19 so this is the first election I paid attention to. I started out watching cnn all the time and thinking fox was "so conservative," but during the election I began watching fox more because I could not takes cnn's non-critical obama coverage. That's when I noticed that fox had much less commercials.