Dude, Where's My Torture Prosecutions?

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There has been very little attention paid in the MSM to a meeting on Wednesday between President Obama and various leftwing "human rights" groups except for a brief mention at the CBS News Political Hotsheet. However, according to a detailed report provided by Newsweek's Michael Isikoff on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show, Obama has revealed that there won't be any prosecutions of Bush administration for so-called torture. Perhaps this was the reason for so little MSM coverage on this meeting. They don't want to disappoint their audience, many of whom are still holding out hope for such prosecutions. However, the leftwing sites on the web are very vocal in their disappointment with Obama's decision including Talking Points Memo:

Yesterday morning President Obama met with representatives of several human rights and civil liberties groups in the White House's cabinet room. Joining him were his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, senior adviser David Axelrod, as well as Attorney General Eric Holder. They sat down with representatives of the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, and Human Rights Watch, among others.

Last night on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow reported that one of the attendees warned the President he was letting George Bush's policies become his own--and that Obama was not pleased by that characterization.

...On at least one issue, though, Obama seems to have made up his mind. Isikoff reports that Obama announced his opposition to torture prosecutions--an unsurprising admission, perhaps, but one that must have disappointed many in attendance. Previously he had said that the question of investigation and prosecuting Bush administration officials was one for Holder to answer. But with Holder sitting right beside him, there's no doubt he's feeling pressure to, as they say, look forward, not backward.

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Isikoff described this in greater detail on Maddow's show:

RACHEL MADDOW: Let's take a specific example. One of the specific issues. The subject of  torture prosecutions, the possibility of maybe a truth commission, or a commission of inquiry of some kind, onto the issue of torture. Your sources are telling you that the President remained firmly against pursuing any of those things at this meeting today. But is there any sense of what his arguments are to defend that stance or is it still a generic assertion that we need to move forward and not look back?

MICHAEL ISIKOFF:  Well actually it was interesting. When the truth commission came up towards the end of the meeting, the President had a somewhat different explanation for his resistance to that. He talked about all the Congressional investigations that were going on, the litigation that was going on, and he said it was too distracting to his staff. Too much time was being taken up. He actually looked directly at Attorney General Holder who was present at the meeting, indicating that Holder was having to spend too much time on this issue. Now some of those present have made the point that is the reason to have a 9/11 style commission. Instead of having many congressional investigations, have one presidentially backed commission with subpoena power that can do all this. And the President didn't necessarily reject that but he raised this issue of distraction, too much time. Then after that one of those present raised the idea of a criminal prosecution, even one criminal prosecution, as a symbol sort of, a trophy I think the word was used, to show that such conduct would not be tolerated again and the President sort of curtly dismissed the idea, made it clear that he had no interest in that. What was interesting about that is his Attorney General, again Eric Holder, sat there silently, didn't say a word. The President could have said "that's Eric Holder's decision to make," but he didn't. He seemed to cut it off.

MADDOW:  I'm sorry to have interrupted you, Mike. That's exactly what I was going to interject to say. That seems like the biggest news here. The President has publicly said, "Listen, this is up to the Attorney General to decide whether or not it's appropriate to pursue criminal investigations and prosecutions." This is not a political matter, this is a law enforcement matter and the Justice Department does not work for the President, it works to enforce the laws of the United States and then he is meeting with people who are advocating investigations and prosecutions and answering on behalf of his attorney general. That's news. Because that would imply that what he's saying publicly and what he's saying in private meetings behind the scenes are not at all the same thing.

BINGO! And Rachel Maddow has provided us with another reason why there has been almost no coverage of this meeting in the MSM. Because it would show Obama's deceptiveness. Saying the matter of prosecutions were up to the Attorney General in public while in private making the decision to cut them off. 

Confirmation of the details of this meeting was also provided David Waldman who was present and posted his observations the following day at the Daily Kos:

I sat in on the meeting, and though the understanding was that the substance was off the record, the basics of what was discussed -- and some specifics about the discussion -- have obviously already been reported. The exchange was not unguarded, but I don't think there was any doubt left about where people stood, nor was there much shifting of the ground.

...On the whole, though, Isikoff appears to have gotten a entirely reasonable picture of the meeting, if not exactly the one I'd have given. On the substance, I'd say he gives you as good a run-down as we're likely to see on the air or in print.

Walman seems to think that Holder's silence was due to politeness on his part, rather than acquiescence, although he wasn't sure:

...The absence of any comment from the Attorney General appeared to me to be more of an acknowledgment that it was the President who wanted to direct the discussion, and the White House staff and administration officials present weren't getting in the way of that.

However, this caveat from Waldman did not soothe the feeling of his fellow Kossacks who were outraged that Obama appeared to cut off any "torture" prosecutions:

I just wish you have better news to report.  The whole idea of him answering ahead of a silent Holder on the prosecutions issue is very disturbing.  If that's the official position of the administration, and it's unconstitutionality aside, it's not only yet another 180° reversal of his previous comments regarding who would be making that decision, it again belies a determination to place politics over law.  

Frankly, Isikoff's report on Rachel last night scared the s--t out of me. The idea that Holder might be prevented from pursuing criminal charges when warranted was very upsetting. I'm glad to hear there is another reasonable take on the meeting.

So it is fascinating to once again see a story being widely discussed in the Blogosphere while being almost completely ignored in the MSM. Obama saying one thing in public and quite another in private. And that is why the mainstream media is reluctant to report on it.

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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  Obama lied, Moonbat's

 
Obama lied, Moonbat's cried !!

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

  lol 

 

lol 

lol Blaze

Depends on who you mean by the Moonbats are,  your forgetting that Obama is against enhanced interogations right? ;-)

He had my vote

  Yea, he's against them.

 
Yea, he's against them. He's also against prosecution, which is driving the left crazazy. The whole plan of his, was to release document's/photo's all the while claiming he was above the fray, and then have Congress and the watch the dog media run with it.

After much manufactured outrage by the MSM and public outcry for prosecution he could then claim he was against it, but that there was an overwhelming mandate for him to act, so had no choice but to act on the will of the people.

Unfortunately for him, Pelosi fumbled the ball on the one yard line with no time left on the clock.

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Blaze

Yeah I agree Blaze, but as long as Obama keeps abortion illegal and pulls our troops out Iraq and Afghanishan the left will overall be forgiving for the most part except for the very far left.

Yeah and I hope Pelosi gets exposed for the fraud she is. I have not been so mad at such arrogance since Alberto Gonzales.

He had my vote

well Shawn

the ever-wise one has reserved the right to sanction them himself if he deems them appropriate

The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts 

Exactly botg... ...isn't

Exactly botg...

...isn't it nice the msm ignores this for the most part...with few exceptions...of course O counts on that.

Talk about Double-Standards/hypocrisy, he is doing the same as Bush adminstration did..in more ways than one.

Phony b*st#rd...he's nothing but a snake-oil salesman to the max...Soros wouldn't have backed him if he didn't think he could pull it all off...I could go on and on...but why bother.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Note Their Repeated Use of the Word, "Reasonable."

A concept they neither understand, nor possess the mental capactity to exercise.

 "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means."

Oh, I am sure after Pelosi-gate

The Dems really want no part of a wide-ranging prosecution case as the 2002-3 CIA breifing/meeting documents would be called into open review.
WAPO had a story today on those briefing reports, ie both sides interpret them very! differently in public statements, so I bet this is brushed under the rug to spare Pelosi more humiliation.

My prediction:  the briefing files never get released. And nobody gets prosecuted.

Maddow and Isikoff were

Maddow and Isikoff were "demonstrably" pissed off....

Compare and contrast.

Republicans: Imprison terrorists and protect Americans.

Democrats: Imprison Americans and protect terrorists.

I only wish that those in charge now worry about my rights and freedoms as if I was a terrorist because then I would sleep like a baby knowing no harm will come to me.

 

Hey Janet Napolitano...I'm proud to be a Right-winger.

Mancow gets waterboarded

I personally believe we should be able to whatever is necessary to get information from these pieces of filth that want to destroy our country. However when it comes to definition of torture, Mancow only lasted 5 seconds and he called it torture

He had my vote

Jeez Shawn, I've had worst

Jeez Shawn, I've had worst experiences in a bathtub.

 

 "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Morning Blaze

What do you do in your bathtub anyways? On second thought, there are things that are better left unsaid ;-)  I know that Mancow sometimes has smutty content, but he is more conservative than liberal and he wanted to be waterboarded to prove it was not torture and he could only last 5 seconds.

He had my vote

Well I guess we should

Just let Americans and innocents die then, instead of waterboarding them. It isnt supposed to be pleasent. But it doesnt matter now does it?

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

There you go again GC

Using your silly logic again. When did I ever say we should let American's and innocents die or we should not water board,  You are forgetting that I said we should do whatever is necessary right? You are fun to play with though GC

He had my vote

  Actually Shawn, I like

  Actually Shawn, I like Obama's stance better. Just hellfire em' with drones, deadmen don't talk or go to trial.

Oh The Humanity !! : )

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Something to think about. 

Something to think about.  How many AQ have been captured since the Supreme Court decided they had civil rights?

How many have been blown to smithereens?

WHich is more valuable in a low intensity conflict:  A live detainee who can provide intelligence on the rest of his organization or a series of body parts that require collecting?

 

When did I say you said?

In-fact I didnt, you jumped to that conclusion all by yourself.


You are forgetting that I said we should do whatever is necessary right?

Then why bring it up? Why is it my logic is silly, but you claim the we should do what ever it takes, then point out that some dj claims its torture? Talk about silly logic

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Your not really that dense are you general company?

Your subject line was "Well I guess we should." then you said

"Just let Americans and innocents die then, instead of waterboarding them"

Now your saying you never said it? Did not know you had some inner Bill Clinton in you for what the meaning of is is.

I am saying we should be allowed to waterboard, but the definition of torture is debatable.

He had my vote

Your one thick brick Shawn

 Your subject line was "Well I guess we should." then you said

"Just let Americans and innocents die then, instead of waterboarding them"

 How does that mean I meant you? I meant Mancow, geez your thick, are you a mason?

 
Now your saying you never said it? Did not know you had some inner Bill Clinton in you for what the meaning of is is.

Spoken just like a fool who voted for the fool

 I am saying we should be allowed to waterboard, but the definition of torture is debatable.

Who give's a dang, the liberal take's the Right side, suddenly I am supposed to give a dang? Yea right, lateeda, 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Okay on your word as a Christian General company

If you swear that you did not mean or imply  that I would rather innocent lives be lost than torture, then I will gladly apologize, now remember GC other members and God is watching, you would not want to fib now :-)

"Spoken just like a fool who voted for the fool" 

Well then, we are both fools that voted for McCAin ;-P

"Who give's a dang, the liberal take's the Right side, suddenly I am supposed to give a dang? Yea right, lateeda," 

I don't need you to give a dang, and I also did not ask you to reply to my post, I was just saying the definition of torture could be debated, but then you said Just let Americans and Innocents die instead waterboarding them, but gee, you did not mean me. Could you explain what you did mean if it was toward Mancow, if you would be so kind?.

 

He had my vote

Actualy, a brick doesnt do you justice

 If you swear that you did not mean or imply  that I would rather
innocent lives be lost than torture, then I will gladly apologize, now
remember GC other members and God is watching, you would not want to
fib now :-)

You gave us a link, I watched it. Sorry

"Spoken just like a fool who voted for the fool" 


Well then, we are both fools that voted for McCAin ;-P

Realy? Just when I thought you were refering to Clinton (by name) you were really refering to,,,, who?

I don't need you to give a dang, and I also did not ask you to reply to
my post,

Sorry to disapoint you? 

I was just saying the definition of torture could be debated,
but then you said Just let Americans and Innocents die instead
waterboarding them, but gee, you did not mean me.

Really, debated? I must had miss that, I thought your mind was made?

Could you explain
what you did mean if it was toward Mancow, if you would be so kind?.

How, if you didnt get it the first time, how am I supposed to think you will get it the 4th or 5th. Just cover one eye and read the thread again, thanks

BTW, who ever said I was a Christian?

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

 I'm not talking about any

I'm not talking about any link, If you don't  want to swear on the Al Mighty, thats fine and proves you did mean me and not Mancow. I thought I saw you defending talking aboug God and defending God's teachings on a thread, but I admit I am not 100 percent it was you. So your not a Christian then? Or was the indignation because I assumed you were a Christian?

edit

"Really, debated? I must had miss that, I thought your mind was made? 
"

Wow GC, there is the assumptions again, I said Mancow thought it was torture and my mind is made?    Ooops you did say mean my mind was made and not Mancows mind was made right?

He had my vote

Did I say thick as? I meant thicker

 
I'm not talking about any link,

Mancow only lasted 5 seconds and he called it torture 

If you don't  want to swear on the Al Mighty, thats fine and proves you did mean me and not Mancow.

What the heck does this mean anyway, seriously?

Well I guess we should
May 23, 2009 - 10:58 ET by general company

Just let Americans and innocents die then, instead of waterboarding
them. It isnt supposed to be pleasent. But it doesnt matter now does
it?

My origanal reply, you sure did read a lot into it.

I thought I saw you defending talking aboug God and defending God's
teachings on a thread, but I admit I am not 100 percent it was you.
 

Maybe I did, so what?

So your not a Christian then? Or was the indignation because I assumed you were a Christian?

What indignation? Because I simply stated I never told you I was a Christian? Get a grip.

"Really, debated? I must had miss that, I thought your mind was made? 
"
Wow GC, there is the assumptions again, I said Mancow thought it was torture and my mind is made?

Well,,,,,

Shawn : I personally believe we should be able to whatever is necessary to get
information from these pieces of filth that want to destroy our country.

You seemed conviced to me?

Ooops you did say mean my mind was made and not Mancows mind was made right?

You really should go back and read the thread, other then calling my logic silly, I really had no dog in this hunt. But if you would like to continue, I dont mind

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

  Shawn : I personally

 

Shawn : I personally believe we should be able to whatever is necessary to get
information from these pieces of filth that want to destroy our country.


You seemed conviced to me?

Wow oh Wow, you knew I meant convinced about the defintion of torture.

"But if you would like to continue, I dont mind" 

There are some folk on this site that don't like me very much, but I still enjoy some of the banter I have with them back and forth, you are not one those people and just keep misquoting me. I hope you make your furniture more exciting than your interactions because  this is boring me and you can have the last word ...so you have a great night GC ;-)

He had my vote

Second time

 I hope you make your furniture more exciting than your interactions
because  this is boring me and you can have the last word .

You have mentioned my craft for the second time I think, just so you dont loose any sleep. My best customers are my repeat customers. And no I am not cheap, I refuse more work then I accept, because I look for challenges. Wish you would pose one

 My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

BTW Shawn, do you have a trade?

Do you own a skill? 

 

My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

D*mn George Bush!

D*mn George Bush!  He planned for it to happen this way! 

It's all his fault we can't get any of The People's work done because we are sooooo busy trying to figure out what is going on.

Should we sue; should we prosecute; should we lie; should we tell the truth; should we boot Nancy; should we support her?  We just can't DECIDE!  It's tooooo confusing!

 And it's NOT our fault; it's all George Bush's fault!

 

Tough week for Obama

First he dissapoints a bunch of kindergartners and the next morning he dissapoints a bunch of adolescents.

  Well ya' know acumen, if

Well ya' know acumen, if those pesky overgrown fetuses would have just been aborted by thier parent's, Obama wouldn't have been needlessly bothered and inconvenienced by them in the first place.

Just who the hell do those kid's think they are anyway ? He's POTUS for chrissakes, not Mr. friggin' Roger's

 

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on  Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."   

Left wing "human rights" groups

Any group that supports Marxism/socialism and calls itself a "human rights" organization should be ignored.

Under Marxism/socialism, humans have no rights.

-Dave

They aren't going to open

They aren't going to open up this can of worms....plenty in their own party are involved, just ask Nancy Pelosi for a start.

It would be funny if this weren't all so despicable.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Re Worms

And that reminds me, there is a democratic position on the Senate side that is perfectly analogous to Pelosi's former spot on the House Intel Committee, who is or was that democratic chair of the Senate Intel Committee and why are they getting a pass? They would have received the same briefings and now they are taking the same holier-than-thou stance as Princess Nan has. Why is that person being so vewy vewy quiet?

slick....Are you meaning

slick....

Are you meaning Rock, Difi or TurbinDurbin?  ;-)

Btw...I have always found it curious that Wreckefeller and Pop-Up-Pelosi just love to feed info to Syria....and wherever else they do that we don't even know about.

Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart

Kick out the Kindergartners; Kiss the KOs?

The scary thing is that Obama meets with these left-wing loonies, in the White House to discuss strategy! Are you kidding me? And THAT, by itself, isn't news???? What else did they discuss? How to finalize the takeover of national industries? Tax strategies?

Why was this meeting held, anyway? Obama couldn't find time to spend with 5-year olds, but plenty of time to strategize with the extreme leftists. If I was a journalist, I could make a lot of this story. But our brain-dead MSM don't get the disconnect here, do they?

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The challenge is to follow a consistent plan despite inconsistent prices - Sarah Palin, State of the State of Alaska speech

Obama

jessieH         He can not prosecute Bush, or anyone else on the matter. He would have to prosecute Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, Frank, and the rest of the inept in washington. Both parties are guilty. A rose by any other name.............. A crook is a crook, no matter what they call themselves.