If you had read a newspaper article about Colonel Harlan Sanders which left the impression that he really held that rank in the military without mentioning that it was strictly an honorary title from the state of Kentucky, wouldn't you consider the story to be misleading? Well, that is pretty much what Jodi Kantor did in her New York Times story about "law professor" Barack Obama starting with the title, "As a Professor, Obama Held Pragmatic Views on the Court." Echoing the title is the first paragraph of her article which reinforces the "law professor" misconception:
Many American presidents have been lawyers, but almost none have come to office with Barack Obama’s knowledge of the Supreme Court. Before he was 30, he was editing articles by eminent legal scholars on the court’s decisions. Later, as a law professor, he led students through landmark cases from Plessy v. Ferguson to Bush v. Gore.
Um, sorry Jodi, but Barack Obama was never a law professor. He was a lecturer which is not the same thing. Yes, students did call him "professor" but that was strictly out of politeness, not fact. Just an informal title that lacked even the honorary certificate that "Colonel" Sanders received from Kentucky. Lynn Sweet of the Chicago Sun-Times elaborated on this matter a couple of years ago:
Several direct-mail pieces issued for Obama's primary campaign said he was a law professor at the University of Chicago. He is not. He is a senior lecturer (now on leave) at the school. In academia, there is a vast difference between the two titles. Details matter.
A detail Jodi Kantor conveniently left out of her awe-struck article. Backing up Lynn Sweet is the Wikipedia entry for Barack Obama:
Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004). During this time he taught courses in due process and equal protection, voting rights, and racism and law. He published no legal scholarship, and turned down tenured positions, but served eight years in the Illinois Senate during his twelve years at the university.
In fact, so "dedicated" was Obama to legal matters that he simply let his law license expire:
In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.
Jodi Kantor then tries more than a bit too hard to convince us of his "pragmatism":
Mr. Obama believes the court must never get too far ahead of or behind public sentiment, they say. He may have a mandate for change, and Senate confirmation odds in his favor. But he has almost always disappointed those who expected someone in his position — he was Harvard’s first black law review president and one of the few minority members of the University of Chicago’s law faculty — to side consistently with liberals.
Kantor would be advised to leave out mention of Obama's supposed scholarship especially considering this commentary from Politico:
As president of the Harvard Law Review and a law professor in Chicago, Senator Barack Obama refined his legal thinking, but left a scant paper trail. His name doesn't appear on any legal scholarship.
Most of the rest of the Kantor article consists of her making the pitch for Obama as a "pragmatist":
Former students and colleagues describe Mr. Obama as a minimalist (skeptical of court-led efforts at social change) and a structuralist (interested in how the law metes out power in society). And more than anything else, he is a pragmatist who urged those around him to be more keenly attuned to the real-life impact of decisions. This may be his distinguishing quality as a legal thinker: an unwillingness to deal in abstraction, a constant desire to know how court decisions affect people’s lives.
The very words of Barack Obama himself belie the notion urgently pushed by Kantor that he is some sort of "pragmatist." Last October, Rush Limbaugh went where the MSM feared to go. He played a 2001 audio of Obama talking about the Supreme Court and the Constitution. Here is some of what Obama said about those topics:
If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples so that, uh, I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and -- and as long as I could pay for it I'd be okay. But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.
Yeah, "pragmatic" issues like the redistribution of wealth. Somehow Kantor overlooked that Obama point. And here is Obama claiming that the Earl Warren Supreme Court wasn't all that radical:
As radical as I think people tried to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it has been interpreted -- and Warren Court interpreted it in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you, says what the federal government can't do to you. But it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn't shifted, and one of the tragedies of the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change. And, uh, in some ways we still suffer from that.
Here is Rush commenting on that bit of Obama "scholarship":
You can talk about the Warren Court and how they didn't do enough or they weren't radical enough, folks, the thing that leaps off the page is when he says that the Constitution "is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can't do to you. It says what the federal government can't do." Note the terminology here. He looks at the government as something that can do something to people, and he's mad that the Constitution limits the role of government in people's liberty. That's why he's saying he doesn't like here. He doesn't like the idea of liberty, and he wants to change it!
So it sounds like Kantor's persistent description of Obama as a pragmatist is just as flawed as her calling him a law professor.
And now that your humble correspondent has a bad case of the munchies, I shall take my leave to pick up a bucket of KFC from the "Colonel."
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.



















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Thank you PJ for bringing
May 3, 2009 - 17:53 ET by bigtimerThank you PJ for bringing this very important article to our attention...what O wants to do to us says it all here with his own words...and he is doing so at break-neck speed along with his fellow minions.
Be aware people, what O states here is exactly what the enemy within want...
Rush summed it all up in a nutshell...the one word the left want to take from us ... 'Liberty' for all.
Fight we must...in whatever way we must to put a stop to this destruction of our country under the Constitution...they have been chipping away at it for years in their louse-bound lives...we have to fight back and stick it where the sun doesn't shine in theirs.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
→ Details Details
May 3, 2009 - 17:58 ET by Cool ArrowSo what if he professes to be a Professor?
Doesn't that make him a professor, of sorts?
Maybe he's a Homeopathic Professor of Law?
Just words.
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
CA, I'll be he got his
May 3, 2009 - 21:33 ET by ConservativeRexCA, I'll be he got his professorship at the College of Musical Knowledge, along with Ish Kabibble.
Let the googling begin!
Professor. Hmm. Some
May 3, 2009 - 18:01 ET by GregEProfessor. Hmm. Some also say the title "President" is also in the category.
I'm not saying it, I'm saying it has come up, and as questionable, if not moreso, than any president we've had. (as far as I am aware. Someone let me know if others were as secretive with anything that could note their citizenship)
→ That's it
May 3, 2009 - 18:06 ET by Cool ArrowBarack Obama, a Communist, and a fake Professor, walks into a bar.
He says to himself. "I am all things to all men"
LYDSEXICS UNTIE!
Hey Greg... Point well
May 3, 2009 - 18:10 ET by bigtimerHey Greg...
Point well taken.
This issue will never go away either.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
So, bt, you believe
May 3, 2009 - 18:41 ET by JerSo, bt, you believe the State of Hawaii is engaged in a conspiracy to conceal the true facts regarding Obama's place of birth?
You're right...the issue--just like the grassy knoll fable--will never go away.
Jer
Jer: The difference is that
May 3, 2009 - 18:48 ET by QueenMumJer: The difference is that it would be very simple to just release the document to the public. That would quickly dispell the conspiracy theory. No need for any forensics, ballistics, photo or video enhancement, or eyewitness testimony. Can you think of an alternative reason that the document is being witheld from public scrutiny?
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
QM...
May 3, 2009 - 19:12 ET by JerUnless I'm mistaken [and I'll try to reconfirm], the state of Hawaii has provided a certified copy of Obama's original birth certificate--one such as I have of my own issued by the state of Tennesee (and is within my reach as I type this post).
So, again, unless you believe it to be a forgery and part of some grand conspiracy, this is a non-issue. Regrettably, to the conspiracy theorists, no amount of proof will ever be satisfactory.
Jer
Jer: I myself am skeptical
May 3, 2009 - 19:26 ET by QueenMumJer: I myself am skeptical of a conspiracy theory, per se. And I think the topic is just another dead horse. But it's my understanding that what the State of Hawaii released was not a Birth Certificate as is commonly known, but a document that certifies that a Birth Certificate exists. ??????? All I've seen is a statement from the Gov. of Hawaii in which she says that she has seen the birth certificate and that everything is in order. You have to admit, his family background is a gold mine of possibilities.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
QM...
May 3, 2009 - 20:15 ET by JerPersonal example: I now have in front of me a document entitled "Certification Of Birth" and issued by the Department of Health of the State of Tennessee which contains the following statement:
This is to certify that the birth of the person named on the certificate occurred on the date and at the place shown. The original certificate was filed with the Tennessee Department of Health, Office of Vital Records within one year after the event unless otherwise stated. Reproduction of this document is prohibited. Do not accept unless on security paper with seal.
It is signed by the Commissioner of Health and State Registrar with accompanying seals.
Again, it is my understanding equivalent or similar documentation regarding Obama has been released, while the Governor has perhaps viewed the actual original certificate. To the best of my knowledge, an original certificate is never physically "released" to the public.
Jer
update: Snopes debunks the doubters at the URL listed below. Please check it out, although I'm sure it will not be, and never will be, enough for the hard-core conspiracy crowd.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
Two issues here
May 4, 2009 - 08:29 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonSnopes has been well documented to be rather lax in their performance when liberals are concerned and are more than willing to use their assumed credibility to protect and defend, when necessary.
The documentation put forth by obama is not the same as a 'certificate of live birth', and there is more than ample evidence that he was born in Kenya.
http://gjresult.com
Willis...how about linking
May 4, 2009 - 13:49 ET by JerWillis...how about linking some of that "ample evidence" of Obama's Kenyan birth?
By the way, your fellow skeptics suggest that the documentation Obama has put forward does represent a "certificate of live birth" which differs from an actual birth certificate, and it is the latter document which has not been produced.
If you intend to successfully counter the arguments of us "unintelligent trolls", you at least need to get your stories synchronized.
Jer
The crux of the issue is
May 3, 2009 - 21:10 ET by HockeyKidThe crux of the issue is this: the State of Hawaii has a legal concept known as a Certificate of Live Birth. It is not the same as a Birth Certificate. Where the latter is a doctor/midwife's certification of the birth of a baby at a specific location to a specific parent(s), the former is simply a declaration that a live baby was presented to state officials by the parent(s).
As I understand it, the CLB can be issued to any child up to four months of age. It was designed to allow legal acknowledgment of native births that often happened at home. So, it is quite possible for a child to be born outside the state and still have a CLB issued.
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Thank you, Hockey. That's
May 4, 2009 - 08:17 ET by QueenMumThank you, Hockey. That's the document I was talking about.
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
it was not released
May 3, 2009 - 19:36 ET by katainkent"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," (source)
Every record of anything this man ever did is sealed. Who knows why. I won't don a tinfoil hat in this matter but its certainly one of those things that make you go hmmmmm.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
kata... Please see my
May 3, 2009 - 20:18 ET by Jerkata...
Please see my response to QueenMum immediately above. Thanks.
Jer
so
May 3, 2009 - 21:42 ET by katainkentnothing about this smells wrong to you, personally?
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
Hey Jer... Just
May 3, 2009 - 19:00 ET by bigtimerHey Jer...
Just caught your post...but Mum summed it up for me just fine, I would have stated the same sentiments.
You may or may not know, but I have posted a lot about this over time with links and my own opinion, along with others... no sense in beating a dead horse....don't feel like doing so today...too many things going on at once for me at home this week-end...won't matter anyhow, the longer the obfuscation continues the more the suspicion, the msm were beyond despicable with the non-inquiries regarding the legal status of WOW...(Walks on Water for those of you in Rio Linda)...they still are.
Do you not think for one blasted second if this was a repub things regarding just this matter alone would not have been different with the msm, long before the election?
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
bt... This isn't a Repub
May 3, 2009 - 20:22 ET by Jerbt...
This isn't a Repub thing or a Dem thing...it's not even a "thing". Take a couple of minutes and review the link I posted above to QM.
Jer
Hey
May 3, 2009 - 21:00 ET by bigtimerHey Jer...
Snopes....LOL!
Can't help it, this is a liberal so-called fact checker, I just got done going back and forth with my cousin about Snopes///don't know if I have the links still, nevertheless they are a leftist swinging fact checker...just look at their sources they use most of the time as the truth tellers.
I have so many links about O's BC and such, and links within other stories too...take to long to go into it all, plus I don't want to and don't have the time at the moment even if I did...I will say one thing, all he has to do is order the real thing be released to the public...eh?
Why do you think a lot of info regarding his college years etc hasn't been released...he had to have put his info in there about his citizenship...where-ever it might have been at the time.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Predictable deflection, bt...
May 3, 2009 - 21:10 ET by JerSo what particular facts adduced at Snopes do you dispute?
Jer
I would love to be on Uncle Jer's side on this.
May 3, 2009 - 22:01 ET by JWFBut there is a thing. President Obama is spending untold amounts of money fighting this thing in court. Fighting in a whole lot of states with a whole lot of court cases.
Yet all he has to do to make them all go away is walk in to any court room and whip it out. There is a legal term that once you produce a document in one court, it is good enough for all courts. Boom, he saves lots of money.
He is fighting it with his very being. I would like to know why. My money says he can legally be President. But there is something about the actual certificate of live birth does not jam up with his biography. And don't forget he has written his biography in 2 books now.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Evidence introduced and
May 4, 2009 - 01:13 ET by JerEvidence introduced and allowed in one court can be authenticated by the clerk of court and submitted in another jurisdiction where it will generally be accorded full faith and credit if it complies with the procedural guidelines governing evidence in the latter jurisdiction.
Do you have any links detailing the nature and costs of Obama's legal opposition?
Jer
edit: the "full faith and credit" application was a little misleading. It more correctly refers to the recognition of validly entered orders, decrees, an judgments in foreign (other) jurisdictions.
There are a lot of cases. Source provided for Uncle Jer.
May 4, 2009 - 07:58 ET by JWFSettled cases : http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=3214
Active cases: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?page_id=1518
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Thanks, JWF... At least
May 4, 2009 - 14:16 ET by JerThanks, JWF...
At least for making an effort. The first case I encountered--at your "settled cases" link--was James v. Obama, which, as it turns out, is a legal action which hasn't even been filed yet and appears to be bogged down in pre-litigation infigthing and near-comical confusion over standing, quo warranto actions, jurisdiction, parties, etc. The initial commenter wants to downplay the citizenship issue and legally charge Obama with being a communist governing the wrong country.
These crackpots are taking American jurisprudence to the land of Oz. And Obama or the government [i.e. we taxpayers] must pay to defend this crap.
Jer
So, bt, you believe the
May 4, 2009 - 00:05 ET by Dan The Man 2So, bt, you believe the State of Hawaii is engaged in a conspiracy to conceal the true facts regarding Obama's place of birth?
Jer, I guess I will believe something like that when a person aspiring to be a Master Plumber and own a business in Ohio is maligned and eviserated by government and his good name smeared by government employes bent on protecting Obama. Ya if taht happened I would believe.
So you have seen a copy of
May 4, 2009 - 10:52 ET by NL207So you have seen a copy of this 'birth certificate'? Like the one posted on the LA Times website? That document is a certificate of live birth, the same document that would be issued to a parent reporting the birth of a child overseas after the fact, and is altered. Its sequence number is redacted. At the bottom of the image, it says the document is void if altered. The image you see is altered. Therefore it is void.
Why do you suppose the Obama people wanted the sequence number of the certificate redacted?
Obama's place of birth does not address the whole story. When his mother married Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia, it appears Obama was adopted under Indonesian law by Soetoro. This has negative implications to Obama's US citizenship if he ever had such from birth. To undo this, his mother would have had to apply for re-instatement upon her divorce and return to the US. Obama himself could also apply for reinstatement on his own behalf as soon as he reached majority. Neither appears to have occurred.
Why do you suppose Obama has sealed all of his Collegiate records? Occidental. Columbia. Harvard. All sealed. Why? What is in those records that he might be ashamed or need to conceal for legal reasons? Even John F'ing Kerry opened his collegiate record, unlike his military record. What is Obama hiding?
I'd think that anyone who is supposed to have an open mind would want to know the answers to these questions. Why don't you?
All rise, for Professor
May 3, 2009 - 18:09 ET by GregEAll rise, for Professor Dear Leader.
http://www.youtube.c...
he picks up
May 3, 2009 - 18:16 ET by katainkenthe picks up and discards titles more blithely than a relay runner does a baton. He uses it only as long as it gets him to the next leg of the race. And that's what his career(s) look like. A sprint to the finish line.
Hold on ‘cause the world will turn if you're ready or not ~ KT Tunstall
Excellent
May 3, 2009 - 18:23 ET by slickwillie2001Well put together article; this goes into my reference files for debunking purposes.
The Times article is poor
May 3, 2009 - 18:29 ET by JerThe Times article is poor journalism. Regarding Limbaugh's commentary: I hope this is a misquote or inaccurately transcribed audio. Having always vouched for Rush's intelligence, I'm embarrassed by that piece of analytical nonsense.
Jer
I'm assuming your problem
May 3, 2009 - 18:36 ET by motherbeltI'm assuming your problem is with:
That's why he's saying he doesn't like here. He doesn't like the idea of liberty, and he wants to change it!
If I'm guessing right, I agree with you. That was a stupid way to put it.
I heard Rush that day, and I think the point he was trying to make was that the Constitution says what the government can't do TO you, and Obama seems peeved that it doesn't spell out what the government should do FOR you.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
You guessed correctly, motherbelt.
May 3, 2009 - 18:43 ET by JerYou guessed correctly, motherbelt.
Jer
<sound of duct tape ripping off roll>
May 3, 2009 - 18:31 ET by motherbeltOh for crying out loud!!
Many American presidents have been lawyers, but almost none have come
to office with Barack Obama’s knowledge of the Supreme Court.
Just another paean by the media that Obama is better, smarter, faster, wiser than any President.....EVER!
And more than anything else, he is a pragmatist who urged those
around him to be more keenly attuned to the real-life impact of
decisions. This may be his distinguishing quality as a legal
thinker: an unwillingness to deal in abstraction, a constant desire to
know how court decisions affect people’s lives.
In the opinion of most constitutional scholars, though, it would make him LEAST qualified to choose a Supreme Court Justice!
Judges are supposed to rule on the law and the facts of the case....not on what they perceive to be "fair" or who "should" benefit!!
I forget who said it but it went something like this: If the facts of the case are for the big company and against the little guy, then you have to rule for the big company. You don't rule for the little guy because you think he "deserves" a break.
God help us if the SCOTUS becomes nothing more than a 9-person panel judging Queen for a Day!
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
NIce analogy
May 3, 2009 - 19:07 ET by QueenMummotherbelt: I loved watching Queen for a Day. Of course, I was but a babe at the time. ;)
Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of the tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men. - Ayn Rand
LOL...Wow...same
May 3, 2009 - 21:36 ET by bigtimerLOL...Wow...same here.
Time flies when you wished it wouldn't...and can't do anything to stop it either...dang it all anyway!
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Me, too. Nothing like
May 3, 2009 - 21:43 ET by JerMe, too.
Nothing like watching a parade of down-and-out housewives wallow in self-pity for a new Maytag.
Who was the host? Jack Bailey?
Jer
Any mention of his record at
May 3, 2009 - 18:32 ET by d1carterAny mention of his record at Columbia?
The time he claims to be "professor" was he working elswhere?
May 3, 2009 - 19:09 ET by sevenIs this when he was hot and heavy creating havoc with A Rezco?
My take on these claims was the 20 years he was faithful in attending Pastor Wrights church on one hand and on another day he was there 1-2 times a month for purposes of sleeping. If we look up faculty, we may not even see him at the Law school but just a casual visitor on several occasions.
He is a genuine dufus re the supreme court because he seems to usurp the powers of the court and sieze them for his own pleasure.
Or...
May 4, 2009 - 10:17 ET by StarAZAny articles on the Constitution he wrote as ed of the Law Rev?
All these liberal
May 3, 2009 - 20:38 ET by nadadhimmiAll these liberal "journalists" just love everything Obama does. You can tell they fantacize every night, male and female, of making sweet love to Barack because he is so "dreamy and enchanted". Jesus, I'm gonna puke!
Hey everybody, I am a law perfessor now.
May 3, 2009 - 22:02 ET by JWFObama: But it doesn't say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.
Yes. Yes it does. It is right there in the Preamble to the Constitution.
form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence , promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity
So either I am a law perfessor or I paid attention to Schoolhouse Rock while hopped up on all teh sugar from teh Lucky Charms. Oh, Uncle Dummy, he is the same age as me. He would have been exposed to Schoolhouse Rock too.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
The Bamster's Nationality
May 3, 2009 - 21:07 ET by slickwillie2001Snopes.com is garbage. It's a website run by a husband and wife out of their basement in LA. Factcheck.org is run by liberals at the Annenberg Foundation. The Bamster has never shown anyone a Hawaii Birth Certificate, which would show his place of birth and be fully authorized by the State of Hawaii.
There are other documents called Hawaii 'Certificates of Live Birth' and short form COLBs, which some have seen on Obama, that mean nothing. You can be born anywhere in the world and get a Hawaii COLB, it doesn't mean you were born in Hawaii.
We have been through this same cycle with trolls and spammers in months past, and after a while they bring up the same arguments, which have the same answers as they did in months past. It's a cycle. It's what they do.
The fact remains, the Bamster has NEVER proved that he was born in Hawaii and his legal teams have spent a fortune fighting the legal fight to prevent him from proving his place of birth. There are court cases going on in about 20 states over this, and petitions with hundreds of thousands of names. The Bamster's legal team is burning through that money for a good reason.
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May 3, 2009 - 21:37 ET by dahliatraversYou can be born anywhere in the world and get a Hawaii COLB, it doesn't mean you were born in Hawaii.
That's correct. Give them credit; the state of Hawaii admits it on that website. You can get a COLB years after a birth; Hawaii does nothing to verify anything before issuing it.
Look, there may be nothing to the matter of the location of President Obama's birth. It could well be that he was born in Hawaii but his mother was too irresponsible to obtain the proper documentation at the time.
One things for sure, however. The matter will not be - has not been - resolved by any official documents issued by the state of Hawaii. They're simply too casual about handing them out.
Annenberg was a Nixon
May 3, 2009 - 21:49 ET by JerAnnenberg was a Nixon Republican. Snopes is non-ideological. Politifact also supports Obama'a USA birth. Is there any fact-check service which doesn't?
Jer
Is there any fact-check
May 3, 2009 - 22:09 ET by ckc1227Is there any fact-check service that has actually seen his birth certificate? I don't care what they believe or support, I only care what they can prove.
Are you referring to a
May 4, 2009 - 17:03 ET by JerAre you referring to a Certificate of Live Birth or a birth certificate? I am being lead to believe that these are separate and distinct documents and Hawaii maintains records of both.
Jer
Annenberg was a Nixon
May 4, 2009 - 01:48 ET by Dan The Man 2Annenberg was a Nixon Republican. Snopes is non-ideological. Politifact also supports Obama'a USA birth
And Obama said he is post partisan; so whats ur point.
Perfect! LOL!
May 4, 2009 - 11:28 ET by MaximusBraveheartLibs don't know what facts are.... in fact some will admit that they don't even believe there are facts; only points of view. It is funny how their point of view is aways right despite evidence otherwise; if they were "open-minded," lol. M-B
And the evidence adduced
May 4, 2009 - 13:03 ET by JerAnd the evidence adduced thus far at all of the fact check sites supports Obama's U.S. citizenship and Hawaiian birth. So where is your "open mind" regarding the evidence.
Jer
Dan... Review the
May 4, 2009 - 12:59 ET by JerDan...
Review the posts. I didn't raise the ideological issue. slickwillie did.
Jer
I didn't raise the
May 4, 2009 - 15:28 ET by Dan The Man 2I didn't raise the ideological issue
You defended these sites being non partisan and neutral. It is as you know well taht one must know of a sites proclivities to judge teh varacity of its information.
What is your evidence that
May 4, 2009 - 17:00 ET by JerWhat is your evidence that these sites are partisan? In your view, is there a non-partisan factchecking site? If so, which one(s)?
Jer
Uh Willie?
May 4, 2009 - 08:45 ET by Willis_Leon_JohnsonThey come in waves according to their level of comprehension.
Each succeeding wave is just now catching on and asking their own questions. Since the questions are identical, just further down the timeline, the questions can be answered with cut and paste.
Each succeeding wave is less intelligent than the preceding wave due to the fact that it took them longer to get to this point.
My latest response to these questions is: "If you are just now getting to this point, after 24 months of being an issue, then you are too stupid to understand so cancel your voter registration.
It takes intelligence to vote intelligently and you are not qualified."
I get a little peace and quiet until the next wave.
http://gjresult.com
O'Dumbo's racial preference life....
May 3, 2009 - 23:21 ET by ScrapironWithout racial preference programs O'Dumbo would be a '0', well actually with all the racist give aways he's still a '0'. Praise him all you want but he's still the most stupid person to ever occupy the white house. He doesn't have the knowledge of a typical 4th grader when it comes to general knowledge of the country's history. His college teaching career was more of a teachers assistant, not a professor. As for the birth record, one was released and proven a fake, same as he is, within minutes. Would Hi participate in a fraud, yep, any and all democrats do. There is no honor among thieves and democrats. Can't the fools figure out a freely elected government does not 'take over' private businesses, facist do. Knowledge of the true number of criminal votes for O'Dumbo would cause a million heart attacks.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
If this was a repub thing,
May 4, 2009 - 04:49 ET by FranksamIf this was a repub thing, someone would use a computer and laser printer that had not been invented at the time of Obama's birth to create a Kenyan birth certificate.
Re HI
May 4, 2009 - 08:52 ET by slickwillie2001I see Hawaii as following the letter of HI law, which says only the owner of a BC or someone with a legal right to see it, can do so. The other type of doc, the Certificate of a Live Birth, can be issued to anyone. The issuance of that doc to the Bamster appears typical, and doesn't tell us much.
Lingle and Hawaii could blow up Obama on this, but I don't believe they have done anything illegal re specific HI law. In a larger sense, are they aiding and abetting an impostor in the WH? That legal question, framed strictly in the sense that HI sent its electoral votes to the Bamster, while something is in their files that may make that illegal, is the interesting aspect.
comrade o
May 4, 2009 - 09:31 ET by east tennessee johnComrade O was , at most a senior lecturer at the UofC. Also, where were all these "brilliant" analysis before 11-4-08?
You have to feel sorry for the guy
May 4, 2009 - 10:16 ET by StarAZHonorary Messiah was a better title.
As for being a pragmatist
May 4, 2009 - 10:19 ET by StarAZIsn't a prgamatist a person who shifts with the wind and circumstance--whatever works--that kind of thing? Why is this so excellent?