Newspaper Seriously Considers Absurd 'Geoengineering' to Cool Down Planet

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Pumping water vapor into the air on a gigantic scale, dumping iron filings into the oceans, stirring up the sea bottoms with large tubes, sending giant mirrors into orbit. These are some of the absurd ideas that Steven Connor and Chris Green of the UK Independent reported on with completely straight faces as ways to combat Global Warming by artificially creating Global Cooling:

An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.

The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.

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What has worried many of the experts, who include recognised authorities from the world's leading universities and research institutes, as well as a Nobel Laureate, is the failure to curb global greenhouse gas emissions through international agreements, namely the Kyoto Treaty, and recent studies indicating that the Earth's natural carbon "sinks" are becoming less efficient at absorbing man-made CO2 from the atmosphere.

Levels of CO2 have continued to increase during the past decade since the treaty was agreed and they are now rising faster than even the worst-case scenarios from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a United Nations body. In the meantime the natural absorption of CO2 by the world's forests and oceans has decreased significantly. Most of the scientists we polled agreed that the failure to curb emissions of CO2, which are increasing at a rate of 1 per cent a year, has created the need for an emergency "plan B" involving research, development and possible implementation of a worldwide geoengineering strategy.

Just over half – 54 per cent – of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases. About 35 per cent of respondents disagreed with the need for a "plan B", arguing that it would distract from the main objective of cutting CO2 emissions, with the remaining 11 per cent saying that they did not know whether a geoengineering strategy is needed or not.

Almost everyone who thought that geoengineering should be studied as a possible plan B said that it must not be seen as an alternative to international agreements on cutting carbon emissions but something that runs in parallel to binding treaties in case climate change runs out of control and there an urgent need to cool the planet quickly.

Geoengineering was dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but it has recently become a serious topic of research. Next summer, for example, the Royal Society, in London, is due to publish a report on the subject, led by Professor John Shepherd of the National Oceanography Centre at Southampton University. Professor Shepherd was one of the scientists who said that a plan B was needed because he was now less optimistic about the prospects of curbing CO2 levels since Kyoto was agreed, and less optimistic about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with the expected CO2 increases. "Geoengineering options... must not be allowed to detract from efforts to reduce CO2 emissions directly," said Professor Shepherd, who studies the interaction between the climate and oceans. In answer to the question of whether scientists were more optimistic or less optimistic about the ability of the climate system to cope with increases in man-made CO2 without dangerous climate change, just one out of the 80 respondents to our survey was more optimistic, 72 per cent were less optimistic, and 23 per cent felt about the same.

Professor James Lovelock, a geo-scientist and author of the Gaia hypothesis, in which the Earth is a quasi-living organism, is one of those who is less optimistic. He believes that a plan B is urgently needed. "I never thought that the Kyoto agreement would lead to any useful cut back in greenhouse gas emissions so I am neither more nor less optimistic now about prospect of curbing CO2 compared to 10 years ago. I am, however, less optimistic now about the ability of the Earth's climate system to cope with expected increases in atmospheric carbon levels compared with 10 years ago," he told The Independent. "I strongly agree that we now need a 'plan B' where a geoengineering strategy is drawn up in parallel with other measures to curb CO2 emissions."

Don't these scientists ever look out the window or check the weather reports? We've been having the coldest weather in decades so any geoengineering could have the effect of bringing on another Ice Age with the result that scientists would desperately be looking for other artificial means to heat up the planet. And the "solutions" they offer like dumping lead into the oceans could cause a lot more harm than what they intended to cure. 

The Independent provides us with an encore of geoengineering comedy without once breaking out into outright laughter at its absurdity:

Injecting the air with particles to reflect sunlight

Volcanic eruptions release huge amounts of sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere, where they reflect sunlight. After Mount Pinatubo erupted in 1991, sulphates reflected enough sunlight to cool the Earth by 0.5C for a year or two. The Nobel Laureate Paul Crutzen suggested in 2006 that it may be possible to inject artificial sulphate particles into the upper atmosphere – the stratosphere. However, the idea does not address ocean acidification caused by rising CO2 levels. There may be side-effects such as acid rain and adverse effects on agriculture.

Creating low clouds over the oceans

Another variation on the theme of increasing the Earth's albedo, or reflectivity to sunlight, is to pump water vapour into the air to stimulate cloud formation over the sea. John Latham of the United States National Centre for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado is working with Stephen Salter of Edinburgh University and Mike Smith at Leeds to atomise seawater to produce tiny droplets to form low-level maritime clouds that cover part of the oceanic surface. The only raw material is seawater and the process can be quickly turned off. The cloud cover would only affect the oceans, but still lower global temperatures.

Fertilising the sea with iron filings

This idea arises from the fact that the limiting factor in the multiplication of phytoplankton – tiny marine plants – is the lack of iron salts in the sea. When scientists add iron to "dead" areas of the sea, the result is a phytoplankton bloom which absorbs CO2. The hope is that carbon taken up by the microscopic plants will sink to deep layers of the ocean, and be taken out of circulation. Experiments support the idea, but blooms may be eaten by animals so carbon returns to the atmosphere as CO2.

Mixing the deep water of the ocean

The Earth scientist James Lovelock, working with Chris Rapley of the Science Museum in London, devised a plan to put giant tubes into the seas to take surface water rich in dissolved CO2 to lower depths where it will not surface. The idea is to take CO2 out of the short-term carbon cycle, cutting the gas in the atmosphere. Critics say it may bring carbon locked away in the deep ocean to the surface.

Giant mirrors in space

Some scientists suggest it would be possible to deflect sunlight with a giant mirror or a fleet of small mirrors between the Earth and the Sun. The scheme would be costly and prompt debate over who controls it. Many scientists see it as contrary to the idea of working with the Earth's systems.

No report yet from The Independent on how all these gigantic "cures" for Global Warming would probably require a "Plan C," even bigger antidotes to fix the environmental problems "Plan B" would cause.

H/T: Hot Air

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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Interesting, P.J.!

And to think, after all that, I can't get the plastic over my windows because the ice won't allow the tape to stick.Geez louise anyways.....

Amos 8:11 Put some meat on dem bones!

The real question here

The real question here would be: What kind of energy inputs are required to execute these nutty ideas?

Assuming that man can control the earth's climate* do these solutions have a net benefit, or is it just merely spinning our wheels? The "Greens" never think about the energy involved in their solutions (or their travels). The don't care about the monetary costs either, so they don't even consider the economic impact either.

*For the record, I do not believe that man can control the earth's climate. I also think everyone should see "The Great Global Warming Swindle."

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon," 1942

I think

Stories like this are to placate the readers as the "powers that be" are sucking up any rotating currency in society along with bailouts and welfare with,I might add, outside nationals being allowed to stake claims to our land and dissolve our identity as a sovereign nation so that they can turn the US into a third-world country to allow this whole One World Government based on feudalism to take hold in America, but that was too much to type!

All they want to do is drain the money...nobody's gonna actually do anything...they just don't want riots in an armed country. Bye Bye Constitution!

 

Amos 8:11 Put some meat on dem bones!

Egads! These crazy cures are all worse than the disease!

So let's radically pollute the environment to save it?  Metal filings in the ocean?  Intentionally launching pollution into the stratosphere?  Do they not realize that Mount Pinatubo launched more greenhouse “pollution” into the stratosphere than mankind had since the beginning of the industrial revolution? 

Water vapor traps a multitude more heat than CO2 does.  I can’t wait until the enviro-nazis discoverthat those wonderful hydrogen cars we’re all supposed to be driving in 20 yearswill be responsible for that.

Do they not realize the massive economic/industrial infrastructure that it would require to launch giant mirrors into space?  Isn’t it our massive economic/industrial infrastructure that is responsible for this mess in the first place?  Look how much we spend just on a relatively simple space station.

They missed my idea:  Since methane traps about 20-times the heat that CO2 does, why not do something achievable about that?  Most of the methane in our atmosphere comes from wetlands. We could easily pave over what is left of those.  That’s certainly more practical than launching giant space mirrors.

Ha!

 Earlier I was designing a contraption that would affix a pilot light 3 inches from a cow's backside, thus eliminating 3/4 of the methane, but algore never wrote me back!

 

Amos 8:11 Put some meat on dem bones!

Wow!

The first Jet Powered cows.  The ultimate fast food.

He could be right

If the current solar trends continue, our food crop growing seasons are getting shorter. We may be crossing the line in 2009, where there is not enough 'warm' growing time for crops to fully mature. Unfortunately, modern factory farming methods focus on yield per acre, not cold resistant crops.

At this rate, we will soon need food crops that are cold resistant. The geo-Engineering involved in that isn't going to be easy.

In the 1970s, the hoaxers were all for a plan to use the recently developed Boeing 747 to spread carbon black, ground up tires, on the ice sheets to aid in heat absorption and therefore melting. Of course the hysteria then was the coming ice age.

But what if we had done the hoaxers geo-engineering then?

If you want to know what's happening with the sun, and there isn't much going on, that's the problem, NASA's Space Weather Prediction Center sun monitoring data is available here -- http://www.swpc.noaa...

Doesn't this just wreak with irony ... humankind may be short of food, for want of warm weather.

Good points. It seems that

Good points. It seems that the "average earth temperature" has been stable for about 10 years and is beginning its normal and cyclical decline. As the decline continues, these political solutions to "global warming" will be timed to quicken the normal cooling cycle--if indeed they have any impact at all. This is bad news for agriculture as well as many other enterprises.

Are politicians so stupid they do not grasp the basic principles of established earth science? Of course they are,.

 

   In other news.... the

   In other news.... the current market meltdowns are believed to be the result of a resurgence of witchcraft.  Only by determined effort to find these people and bringing back burning at the stake will the world enjoy renewed prosperity.

BURN THE

BURN THE WITCHES!!!

....or build a bridge out of 'em. 

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon," 1942

Sounds reasonable to

Sounds reasonable to me!

Let's start the hunt for witches with the ladies of The View. Dunk them in the Greenwich Village pond. If they float they're witches. If they drown they're saved.

"The nature of an ideology is not determined by majority vote—but by logic... The logic of environmentalism leads to a society without technology... even if various environmentalists would deny this." Ayn Rand, 1971

I can think of a umber of

I can think of a number of likely witches.

As I recall the dunking. You can't drown a witch. Therefore if they drown they were innocent. If they don't drown then burning at the stake. 

Works for me.

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

"...burning at the

"...burning at the stake..."

As long as the fire is close enough to warm up the local outdoor skating rink, I'm ok with the burning.

 

Plan C

I've got Plan C!  We'll strategically place rocket engines around the earth and blast us into an orbit farther from the sun!  Instant cooling!   ;-) 

Welcome to the era of unity, you racist!

These sound like ideas for

These sound like ideas for a bad doomsday movie on the SciFi Channel (or perhaps a Hollywood summer blockbuster).  Runaway global warming, and mankind's subsequent failed attempt to avert it, followed by distaster and mass exodus in major metro areas like NYC, DC and SF.  They could cast Morgan Freeman as the President and Jeff Goldblum as one of the mad scientists.  It could be titled "The Midnight Sun."

 

And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall.   -- Edgar Allan Poe

I have an ever better idea.

I have an ever better idea. Leave the $hit alone and let the herd-thinning to begin. Since 53% of the idiots voted for 'The One' and only 47% voted responsibly, when the population gets down to the final 6% they will all be Republicans and we can start over in a more perfect world.

This is a hoot. Let's see.

This is a hoot. Let's see. AGW, if it's real, they tell us it's caused by a minor greenhouse gas (CO2) Reflecting heat back to the earth in the IR band.

The cure. Add more of the dominat greehouse gas. (Water vapor) Of course if you dress a corpse in long underwear, a jumpsuit, a sweater and toss on an extra blanket. You won't warm him. You need an outside source of warmth.

Add to this the reflection of sun light? Through a number of manner. They cite the example of Pinatubo. Have they forgotten what likely caused the year without summer? (Tambora.) And the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883 Caused a similar problem. The climate disaster of 635/36 may have been caused by a volcano. (Which may have triggered Justinian's plague. Where 10,000 a day died in Constantinople alone.)

Haven't they also told us the sun isn't capable of causing the so called warming? But? If we block it?

Let's also add fertelizer to the oceans? Excuse me? Isn't CO2 a fertilizer?

Then if we pump cold water from the ocean depths? What do the oscillations do? The so called warming at the end of the 20th centry was likely caused by a shift in the ocean waters to the warm phase. And it's shifted back to the cool phase again.  

They can barely get 50% of their hand picked "experts" to agree with them. Yet we're to take them serious.

Will these lame experts please explain this?

Thanks for the laugh!

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Plan JWF

Step one: put your right hand in your right front pants pocket.

Step two: put your left hand in your left front pants pocket.

Step three: Stand there and don't do a damn thing cuz the sun will do it all just like it has been doing for the last 4 gabizillion years!

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

OMG, we're all going to die

Dr. Roy Spencer has put out some good graphs on exactly how "catastrophic" our output of CO2 emisssions has become.

http://www.drroyspen...

excellent link.

CO2 concentration is only about 290 parts per million in the atmosphere. Starvation level for plants is around 100 parts per million.

  Humans have been burning carbon based fuel as longs as humans have been well, able to rub two sticks together. Here is the result - only 190 ppm above the starvation level of plants.

 It is called the carbon cycle. animals and insects breathe out co2. Plantlife takes it in, stores the carbon, and lets out the ogygen. By taking carbon out of the ground in the form of oil and coal and exhausting co2 into the air, all we have done is ramp up the carbon cycle a little bit. Plant life grows a little bit more which is good, we get more plant food.

Sincerely,

a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.

Great catch. Roy

Great catch.

Roy even wrote like a warmer

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Put up or shut up

Roy even wrote like a warmer

Spencer doesn't mince words, does he? I've gone through all his threads and this has quickly become one of my favorite sites. I really like the way he is throwing down the gauntlet to his peers.

Is this a problem?

"Just over half – 54 per cent – of the 80 international specialists in climate science who took part in our survey agreed that the situation is now so dire that we need a backup plan that involves the artificial manipulation of the global climate to counter the effects of man-made emissions of greenhouse gases." 

Obviously, this is only a problem if you believe that CO2 in a pollutant. I think it's time for climate scientists to take back the science from those bent on destroying our way of life with this idiocy. It's going to be hard, with the likes of Henry Waxman in Congress, trying to pass every law possible to tax us and screw our lives up.

Election 2008-God's way of showing us that elections count.  

The Global Warming Hoax is

The Global Warming Hoax is going to resolve itself very quickly, perhaps sometime this year. It is now being embraced by Corporate America and this will be the deathnell for this ridiculous theory. Global Warming will no longer be Avant Garde, but a tired old fashion statement, kind of like a 200lb trailer park women in hip hugger jeans, you know, the muffin top look. Science has NEVER been the driving factor in GW, it rose by fashion and will fall by fashion. Good Riddance.

Two major physical laws

are going to come into play here. Murphy's and the Law of Unintended Consequences. Not only is it not nice to fool or fool with mother nature but the results... well you get the picture. 

Change: When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles. From a Poster

Not much time left! Spock says the Ice Age is on it's way

The Coming Ice Age (1/3) (Video) (9min)
The Coming Ice Age (2/3) (Video) (5min)
The Coming Ice Age (3/3) (Video) (8min)

Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution

  factoring in the

  factoring in the balancing mechanisms inherient in the world eco-climate system it should be here in approximately 2 centurys, 37 years, 3 months, 17 days, 6 hours, and 22 minutes.      

----- Radical  Liberal

I live in Kenai, Alaska.

I live in Kenai, Alaska. It's -29 outside right now with a windchill of -45. It's been below -20 for over a week now. We don't usually get these cold snaps until late Jan-Feb.

Maybe they could build a 4000 mile long tube to DC and suck this cold air down there and build a return tube to suck out all the hot air from congress and send it back up here.

Global warming, my ass. 

I live in WA state and the

I live in WA state and the snowfall is breaking all records this year. Stores, churches and houses are collasping under the snow loads. I wonder if Goreloni would like to ask that family in Rockford WA whose mother was killed by an avalanche off her roof if they believe in GW? That putrid piece of an excuse for a human being. I would like to shove one of these 8 foot long icicles that we have around here down his global warming piehole.

The Great American White-Out

They forgot the best (expensive, foolish, and, ultimately, futile) plan, which is MY plan for The Great America White-Out. It's a simple solution where we take all the sand from all the beaches at all the liberal enclaves on both coasts and spread it over the rest of the country.  All that prime beach sand will reflect the sun's light back into space MUCH better than the natural dirt, thus reducing the absorption of light and cooling the global atmosphere about 2.5 percent per year.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Simpler more cost effective plan

Plan A: Remove funding from James Hansen and GISS.

Plan B: Global warming has now disappeared. No further action required.

The ideas seem nutty, but

The ideas seem nutty, but it`s no laughing matter. In the 1970`s, melting the ice caps was considered to save us from an ice age. If a consensus of scientists now believe radical geo-engineering efforts are needed to save the earth from co2, politicians will listen. Then this planet will truly be screwed.

Global Warming is real

I know a lot of people are beginning to believe all this "global warming" stuff is stupid- that its not really happening. But I've been studying this for years now and, believe me, it was definitely warmer during the summer months over the last ten years, than the winter months of the ten years prior. So I've been developing a mechanism of my own (I'm planning to submit it to the US Patent Office sometime soon) to stave off this very dangerous phenomenon. What I have in mind is a sort of pole, or stick. It will gradually extend outward until it reaches the sun. At that point, we can send a surge of electricity thru it, creating a kind of "bump" effect, that will push the Earth slightly away from the sun. This should cool the summer months by a couple of degrees since we'll be further from the sun's dangerous warming effect. (Now I just have to figure out how to warm those winter months...) 

Gore, Hansen and their mindless drones

Run in circles grabbing each others butts and shrieking "The sky is fall, er, the earth is warming! The earth is warming!"
while Mother Nature points and laughs.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Yes, but think of all the

Yes, but think of all the jobs that would be created!

As for paving over the wetlands above-uh, not a good idea.

I still cling to the idea that the Communists are about reducing the U.S. to an international level of mediocrity when it comes to energy (and economics, and military power, and food, and health, etc.) thus the resistance to nuclear power and even all other alternative forms of energy.  They don't want us to keep living the lifestyle we have for 100 years now-they want us to be more akin to third world Nirvanas like the Republic of South Africa or Myanmar.

If you think about it, the Democrats have controlled Congress for two years now and, unless I missed it, have failed to move forward with any kind of alternative energy program, save the disastrous corn/ethanol program that even President Bush heartily endorsed. 

Trying new stuff is great, but if it doesn't work and if it can't be fixed, then for God sakes scrap it before it does even more damage. 

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.