Congressman Warns Global Warming 'Could' Harm Christmas Trees

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With an impeccable sense of poor timing due to a snowstorm in Las Vegas and unusually cold weather throughout the nation, North Carolina Congressman Heath Shuler (D-Of Course) is warning that global warming could harm the Christmas tree industry in his state. Key word is "could" since there is no evidence that any Christmas trees in that state have suffered from a global warming that hasn't even been proven to exist. Here is the Associated Press story of Shuler sounding the alarm for something that could happen (emphasis mine):

North Carolina Rep. Heath Shuler and forestry observers are warning that climate change could alter the state's Christmas trees.

Shuler and others plan to hold a press conference Thursday to discuss the impact of climate change.

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North Carolina's large growth of Fraser firs make the state a leader in Christmas tree production.

This year, one of the state's Fraser firs is featured in the White House. But the trees rely on the cool temperatures in the southern Appalachians.

Officials say global warming could make it difficult for Fraser firs to continue growing in the state.

The Christmas tree industry accounts for over $100 million annually in western North Carolina.

Again that  very covenient word "could." And will some intrepid reporter at the press conference today ask Shuler exactly what evidence he has that global warming (in the midst of record low temperatures) is harming North Carolina Fraser firs?

Since today's temperatures in the Asheville area are expected to drop to the low 50s, Shuler and the tree growers will need to bundle up when they meet to discuss the "danger" of global warming that "could" happen.  John Boyle of the Asheville Citizen dutifully reports on today's press conference without the slightest hint of skepticism over this "emergency":

Politicians, tree farmers, and agriculture experts will host a press conference Thursday afternoon to call on Congress to deal with climate change in January before it adversely affect Christmas tree growers and other farmers even more.

Among those scheduled to attend are: U.S. Rep. Heath Shuler, D-Waynesville; Dale Hawkins, owner Sandy Hollar Farm; George Briggs, executive director of the N.C. Arboretum; Dee Eggers, associate professor of environmental studies at UNC-Asheville, N.C. State Sen. Joe Sam Queen and N.C. State Sen. John Snow.

The event will take place at 2 p.m. Thursday at the Asheville Farmers Market on Brevard Road at truck sheds 4 and 5.

North Carolina is the second largest Christmas tree producing state in the nation, growing nearly 20 percent of all live Christmas Trees in the U.S. The Christmas tree industry accounts for over $100 million annually in western North Carolina.

Of the trees grown, 95 percent are Fraser firs, which thrive in higher elevations with good drainage and cooler temperaturesj. These conditions also allow the trees to keep their needles through the Christmas season.

A North Carolina Fraser fir has been selected more than 10 times as the White House Christmas tree, including this year.

Some studies have shown that continued global warming will adversely affect the optimum climate conditions in North Carolina for Fraser firs. A rise in average global temperatures would force the Fraser Fir’s natural climate northward and out of North Carolina. Rising temperatures also increase pest control problems and disease longevity.

The event is sponsored by the Pew Charitable Trusts/Pew Environmental Group.

Yeah, yeah, I know Congressman Shuler needs to show concern for the Christmas tree industry industry in his district but wouldn't it be cheaper for him to show that he cares by just publicly hugging a Fraser fir than wasting money by having Congress "deal with climate change" (the new term replacing "global warming") which has existed since the beginning of the world?  With Shuler's desire to buy into questionable science he might want to consider this report from Ohio State University that Christmas trees themselves could be causing global warming:

The increasing number of pine plantations in the southern United States could contribute to a rise in carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere, a new study reports.

This is important because carbon dioxide is a key greenhouse gas, one that is linked to global warming.

Landowners in the South are turning stands of hardwood and natural pine trees into pine plantations because pine is a more lucrative source of lumber.

But pine plantations don't retain carbon as well as hardwood or natural pine forests, said Brent Sohngen, a study co-author and an associate professor of agricultural, environmental and development economics at Ohio State University.

So whose junk science do you want to believe, Congressman Shuler? According to Mr. Sohngen of OSU, you need to encourage your constituents to cut down their Christmas trees in order to prevent global warming. 

Meanwhile your humble correspondent is quite excited by the results of yesterday's Florida lottery. He could have won if only four of the six numbers on his ticket had been different.

—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.


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Sounds like Shuler will be

Sounds like Shuler will be just as good a politican as he was a quarterback. 

 

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"There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we can not resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary." -Sister Lucia

And, with any luck, his

And, with any luck, his Congressional stay will be just as long as his pro football career.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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Well, when your career is

Well, when your career is either a failure, you either (1) go into politics like Heath Shuler, or (2) go into country music like Darius Rucker (Hootie and the Blowfish).

My guess is Heath cant sing, but then again, neither can Darius Rucker. 

→ Shuler saves Christmas

Like Earnest and Frosty the Snowman before him, Heath Shuler takes on the Sisyphian task of saving Christmas.

Somebody's got to do it.

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SitCom

We are truly living in a sitcom.  I have to keep pinching myself to remeind me this stuff is actually happening.

→ SitCom

I remember Harry Reasoner giving a TV editorial back in about 1967 he titled "Living in a SitCom world" - A world in which one-liners and comebacks are king rather than the fading custom of exchanging ideas.

I have to admit to more proficiency at the former than the latter.  Maybe as much a function of my personality as any discipline to string together a stemwinder.

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Ah, yes.  The NFL's 4th

Ah, yes.  The NFL's 4th biggest draft bust of all time applies his scientific principles to Fraser firs.  I wonder if he'd get all flustered if someone went to his press conference and yelled, "Hey, isn't that Gus Frerotte over there?!" 

"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me

→ No, it's David Klingler

He's too small to be Todd Marinovich.

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This truly smells.  And it

This truly smells.  And it ain't Fraser Firs I'm smellin'.  Is it possible that her Speakerness, the Pelosi, directs this kind of BS?  I mean..  how ridiculous is this? 

MSNBC has an article

MSNBC has an article posted today titled "10 Myths about Global Warming".  I thought "Finally".

Myth 1: There is stiil a debate about GW.  There is no debate.  GW is real and it's caused by man.

I didn't get to the other nine. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Let me guess......

I didn't get to the other nine.

Let me guess....your head exploded!!  LOL

 

... plus my feet got cold

... plus my feet got cold and I had to go find my slippers.  I need my global warming.  It's cold here today in the Midwest.  With all the snow and cold getting further south every year, in a couple, Heath will be back asking for a donation of blankets to keep his fur trees warm. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

The debate is over, Hunter12 world's greatest financial genius.

 If I paid the press to run this one as well as they've pumped Al's BS, it would solve all my money worries.  Yes, by the time they find out it's not 100% accurate, a few billionaires might be out a few million each.  I think that's a whole hell of a lot better than all of us common folk being out thousands when Obama, Pelosi, and Reid implement the Goracle plan to shift America's wealth to third world countries via GIM's carbon credits trading department.  Al will skim billions.  Joe the Plumber's heating bill will go through the roof as costs get passed along down the chain.  I thought about running with the world's greatest lover, but Mrs. Hunter objected.  No reason, just laughter. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Plant different Pines, ya maroons!

I can solve this "problem" quickly, and that's by planting Pines that do better in warmer climates, like the Bristlecone Pine or the Eastern White Pine or even the Austrian Evergreen Pine.

"These conditions also allow the trees to keep their needles through the Christmas season."

ALL Pines "keep their needles through the Christmas Season" as all Pine as EVERGREENS.  Man, they must think we're all STUPID!

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Global warming?

Let me see:  It's snowed in Las Vegas, NV and Malibu, CA.

Yep, global warming indeed.

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

Imagine that

The planet is self-regulating. It gets a little "too warm" from whatever ... solar cycles, carbon dioxide, volcanic activity, cow farts, Al Gore's incessant yapping, etc. ... and the natural air conditioning switch gets flipped on.

Too bad the government won't let the economy "self-regulate" itself back into normalcy.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Global warming is so severe

Global warming is so severe I ordered a Christmas Cactus. It’sa bitch to decorate..

 

 

Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.

Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.

 

Stick with the Austrian Pine

Stick with the Austrian Pine.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

It'll never happen

The Latin name for it is too racist.

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

Good catch!

Good catch, I didn't even notice it!

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

→ Austrian Pine

But once you go Austrian Pine, you'd never go back.

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Pinus Nigra

 Pinus Nigra: Needle Di--, ahh, nevermind

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

→ On the edge

Is there anything prettier than a Pinus Nigra with brightly colored bulbs hanging from it.

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Cool...

No, you didn't!  LOL! 

Ya got nads man! Hehe!

Uncle Gary

"Bri is with Jesus now, we will meet again, just not right now. We love you Bri!"

→ Pressing on, Rukus

Have you seen the new Barbie Doll honoring Hitchcock's "The Birds?

Anybody else besides me getting a laugh out of Bird #3?

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Includes

Includes real fake birds. 

What??

 

"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!" 

→ Go figure missmuffin

It was featured on FOX News, so my wife went to Wal Mart to get one.

It'll be on Ebay before nightfall.  Real fake birds and all.

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 that was my stage name

 that was my stage name when I did porn in my 20's

 

FINALY A REAL CANDIATE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!

http://zod2008.com/index.htm

Better yet

Felice Navidad

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

I gotta go with Rush

Life has become a sitcom ...

Smoky Mountains

Shuler is only picking up what Daniel Boone started. Years ago Boone came over a ridge and spied in the distance an indistinct mountain range. It was smoky or foggy, he couldn't tell which. So he named it the "Smoggy Mountains". The scientist Thomas Jefferson, the humanist, blamed the Indians for polluting the air and resolved to become President and establish the EPA. That is why most of the Indians were sent to Oklahoma and Shuler can't complete a pass to a teammate.

No worries Heath...

"...call on Congress to deal with climate change in January before it adversely affect Christmas tree growers..."

With Obamas omnipotenence global climate will be brought into perfect equalibrium by months end.

The issue is third on his list, right after: vanquishing cancer, straightening out the mullahs in Iran and ensuring lifelong employment for every American.

He'll chip away at the little stuff thereafter.

 

Ahhh, I believe that is

Ahhh, I believe that is "lifelong employment for every African American."

"All generalizations are false, including this one.” Mark Twain

That's right...

those are the jobs he will create.

He's gonna do the best  he can to save jobs for the American-Americans.

Create?

How will Obama CREATE jobs? Indentured servitude in the Military? (doubtful)  Increases in  the federal workforce? (more likely)

Contrary to the claims of the Obamabots, it will be the business sector who will create those jobs, just as they always have.  Obama's policies may help that sector, but it would stretch the imagination to claim that Obama created jobs.   Not that reality will stop Obama from claiming that success for himself.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Brownshirts, aka National

Brownshirts, aka National Civilian Corps. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Sorry...

forgot the <sarc> switch :-)

Seems likes it's just on most of the time these days.

Amen to that

I know how you feel.

Obama: My job is above my pay grade

Another fool from the Algore school ...

Another fool (sorry, graduate) from the Algore School of Climatology.

Where do these people come from? Science: CO2 is processed by trees to produce Oxygen. When it's warm trees grow and when it's cold the trees go dormant. Hence the leaves die and drop off.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Ohhh ... Tannebaum.

I noticed the AP story left out his party affiliating ... like we needed confirmation. But seriously, I wouldn't let a member kiss my baby, why would I trust them with interpreting the scientific mythology de jour? Next thing they'll tell us is that nationalizing business isn't fascism and Santa Claus is really real.

"A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument." Hilmar von Campe 

Christmas trees with GPS?

global warming will adversely affect the optimum climate conditions in North Carolina for Fraser firs

Christmas trees in N.C. could care less what the average global temperature is (if that is even possible to measure). Christmas trees in N.C. only care about the climate in N.C. Why doesn't Shuler provide us with a few facts on N.C historical temperature data? I think I know why.

dbo. I did. I usually

dbo. I did. I usually check. I provided it above.

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Funny, when I posted this I

Funny, when I posted this I thought to myself "Gee, I wonder if Danbo will chime in with historical temperature data like he has before". Great work Danbo.

Shuler

Shuler went to U of Tennesse so don't blame us here in NC. He was swept into office on a conservative platform in 06 along with many other blue dogs. As I understand all those blue dogs have now become Nazi Pelosi's piglets sucking on the hind teat to get their share of the pork.

NC mainly grows the Fraiser Fir which is very climate adaptable. What he needs to worry about is the ski slopes. Thanks to GW some of them had to open before Thanksgiving-the earliest in many years.

YOU CAN KEEP "THE CHANGE" PALIN 2012

I really believe that the

I really believe that the RNC missed a huge opportunity in 2008.  Instead of wasting its money and efforts propping up that obstinate corpse, John McCain, they should have turned the focus on winning back Congress.  The focus should have been shifted from defending the Bush Administration to attacking the failure of the Reid/Pelosi Congress.  Lots of first term "Blue Dog" Democrats like Shuler could have been defeated if the RNC had channelled its rescources towards linking them with the poisonous Nancy Pelosi.  If enough Congressional and Senate Democrats had been beaten this way, Obama's inevitable election wouldn't have been so damaging.  I would rather have had Obama as President with a more balanced House and Senate then McLame as President with the crowd that will be taking over in January.

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -Ronald Reagan

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Spot On

Your comments are A+.  I wish I could get the money back that I spent on McLame.  We could really benefit with a crew to take on the Reid/Pelosi circus.  I hate that NC now is declared a 'blue' state. I've lived here all my life and I'm not liking this new color.

Sorry PT, you ...

Sorry PT, you only cite one source for your information. You must follow the Algore school of thought (or lack of it). No matter what actually is correct, Algore is correct in that CO2 causes global warming by having trees process the gas into oxygen. This is so that the liberals will be able to breath it in an then expel more CO2 when they spout their global warming BS. 

But seriously, PT that is a good list of articles. Keep up the good work.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

 

Ice Age is more likely than Warming

After doing some research on the subject, the lack of solar activity that has taken place over the last year has only one comparison, the little ice age.  Check out space weather and ice age now websites.   We have had no sun spots for some time now, which has not happened since the little ice age 1645-1715.  

Actually, solar cycle 23

Actually, solar cycle 23 was very similar to cycles 8, 10, 12, and 13 which have all occurred since 1833 and had extended mimima just like solar cycle 23.  See this neat pic of sunspot cycles overlaid.  The data for SC23 goes all the way through Nov. 2008.  

There is not a physical way to predict sunspot cycles, but it has been noticed that longer cycles (like SC23) tend to be followed by smaller magnitude cycles, thus, one might expect SC24 to be smaller than normal.  Nothing suggests a "Maunder like" absence of sunspots in the coming decade.  

Furthermore, for the sake of argument, suppose an absence of sunspots were to occur for a period of time like during the Maunder min.  

http://www.skeptical...

"The difference in solar radiative forcing between Maunder Minimum
levels and current solar activity is estimated between 0.17 W/m2 (Wang 2005) to 0.23 W/m2 (Krivova 2007).In contrast, the radiative forcing of CO2 since pre-industrial times is 1.66 W/m2 (IPCC AR4), far outstripping solar influence.
"

 "The difference in solar

 "The difference in solar radiative forcing between Maunder Minimum levels and current solar activity is estimated between 0.17 W/m2 (Wang 2005) to 0.23 W/m2 (Krivova 2007).In contrast, the radiative forcing of CO2 since pre-industrial times is 1.66 W/m2 (IPCC AR4), far outstripping solar influence."

Interesting:

Therefore. "IF" IPCC AR4 were correct. It should by far compensate for the solar variance. However for about 10 or so years there has been no further warming and we seem to be dropping now. Even with an ever increasing CO2 level.

Consequently; either Wang and Krivova grossly under estimated the solar factor. "OR" IPCC grossly over "estimated" the radiative forcing of CO2. Which many have indicated.

Thanks for the link.

PS When Cook wrote that in Oct of 07 he was expecting the new solar cycle to begin early in 08. Now it's almost 09.

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

"In contrast, the radiative

"In contrast, the radiative forcing of CO2 since pre-industrial times is 1.66 W/m2 (IPCC AR4), far outstripping solar influence"

The above quoted statement is unmitigated horescrap. 

The total radiative forcing of the sun is about 1367 W/m2 at the present time.  This is a widely quoted number.   One source.  Not peer reviewed, but a Newsletter connected with a peer-reviewed journal.  Total solar irradiance is known to vary 0.1% over the 22 year solar cycle.  This isn't the only know variation in solar intensity. 

Seems to me short term variation in solar intensity has about the same forcing effect as the entire CO2 load produced since pre-industrial times.  Indeed, this paper suggests exactly that: "We estimate that the sun contributed as much as 45–50% of the 1900–2000 global warming"

NL207, either you don't

NL207, either you don't understand what radiative forcing is, or you are purposefully trying to mislead. 

In climate science, radiative forcing generally refers to the change in net solar irradiance at the tropopause, so total solar irradiance is irrelevant; it is the changes in total solar irradiance that matter.  

Funny how you cherry-picked the abstract so that you only include the one part that somewhat supports your argument.  Here is the rest for all to see with emphasis mine:

"We estimate that the sun contributed as much as 45–50% of the 1900–2000
global warming, and 25–35% of the 1980–2000 global warming. These
results, while confirming that anthropogenic-added climate forcing
might have progressively played a dominant role in climate change
during the last century
, also suggest that the solar impact on climate
change during the same period is significantly stronger than what some
theoretical models have predicted."

 

 

 

TSI is the important

TSI is the important number.  That is the NORM around which the deltas are applied.  That NORM is 1367, something you did not mention in your earlier post, probably because it did not help your case, speaking of cherry picking.   The variations you and others like you are trying to foist on the public as significant PALE in comparison to the base signal.  They no more than noise.  Small variations in Total Solar Irradiance will dominate all other causes combined. 

Lets look at the whole picture here.  My reference is damning to your case.  Why?  because, as you have pointed out, it says that 25-35% of the 1980-2000 global warming is solar in origin.  It also attributes 45-50% of the total over the last century to TSI vartiation.   IPCC 4AR says that the total warming for the 20th century was 0.75 +/- 0.15 degrees C.  This is revised upward from their earlier estimate in 3AR of 0.6 C.   Let's asssume they are done revising this number.  My reference, assuming everything approximates linearly for small variations, and these are most certainly small variations, suggests that approximately 0.36 C may be attributed to solar variance for the century.  Looking at the last 20 years of the century, we see about 0.1 C / decade warming.  Again, IPCC data.  Scafetta and West suggest that about 0.03 C per decade was solar in origin meaning 0.07 C must result from all other phenomena including human caused.

What this says:  Most of the human-caused warming, about 2/3,  occurred after 1970, and it cannot exceed about 0.4 C unless some other unaccounted cooling phenomena have been operating concurrently.

In light of this, how can these climate modelers who dominate the IPCC justify their models much less their doomsday predictions?  We see nothing like the climate sensitivities they predict in the actual data, once the sun is factored out.

I hope someone will ask

I hope someone will ask Congressman Shuler. Since he's worried about climate change with his cool loving trees. If it needs to get, well, warmer.

Here, here, here, here, and here.

And that's with GISS' adjustments. 

 

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

danbo - thanks..

danbo - thanks.. I went to Google, found the farmers market and looked up the NOAA information, as well. Ya think that AP could have done a bit of research and challenged the congressman? Gary

I don't think they want to

I don't think they want to know the truth. Just the facade.

Nor will they likely ask him what he's doing about the blight/fungus. 

Limited Disclosure:  I used to belong to the Sierra Club untill they went crazier. Worse of all, I was bribed by Exxon with free New Orleans Saints glasses with fill ups in the 70's.

Global warming could harm the Christmas tree industry...

Global warming could harm the Christmas tree industry in North Carolina and Congressman Heath Shuler could find a brain. I doubt that either one will be happening soon.

Schuler was dim-bulb when he

Schuler was dim-bulb when he tried to hold out on the Washingont Redskins for more millions.  I see he hasnt progressed any.

I agree MrB

I thought he was the real deal when the Skins drafted him. He was lazy and disinterested and still took the $. He is a puppet.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

the sky is falling! the sky is falling

on my trees.... and its kinda pretty.

unfortunately I am allergic to christmas trees (fir, pine, etc) so we have to enjoy them au naturale.

"part of what I'm hoping to introduce as the next president is a new ethic of [government enforced] responsibility" - B. Obama