Video footage from KPSP CBS 2 Palm Spring News shows Proposition 8 protesters surrounding an elderly woman and the reporter trying to interview her, shouting and blocking the camera's view of the woman, ultimately forcing the two to flee from the encircling crowd.
Phyllis Burgess, a supporter of true marriage, had been assaulted earlier as she displayed a large cross in front of the protesters. Video footage shows the anti-marriage crowd pushing Burgess, slapping the cross out of her hand and stomping on it as they surround her.
Story Continues Below Ad ↓When reporter Kimberly Chang attempted to interview Burgess shortly thereafter, she grew visibly upset as dozens of protesters encircled the pair and shouted them down while blocking the camera with their signs, rendering the interview impossible.
"As you can see right now, we are being a little attacked here," Chang said. Burgess then told Chang she thought they needed to call the police.
The journalist attempted to continue her story by yelling over the crowd, at which point the protesters erupted in noise, drowning her out.
True marriage supporters, particularly religious groups, have felt the ire of same-sex "marriage" advocates ever since California's Proposition 8 was passed last Tuesday.
Matching the thuggery of the crowd was the idiocy of anchorman Kris Long who came up with this "gem" of a conclusion:
...There is a lot of anger and a lot of hate, quite honestly, on both sides.
Anger and hate "on both sides?" Mr. Long, perhaps you need to have your eyes checked. All the anger and hate was coming from one side only as any sensible person can plainly see.
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.



















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...There is a lot of
November 11, 2008 - 22:06 ET by muh-oonHope, change, unity...?
November 11, 2008 - 22:06 ET by d1carterHope, change, unity...?
headline should read...
November 11, 2008 - 22:09 ET by MightyMouthAngry hatemongering Gay activists attacts AARP member.
but I doubt we will ever see that truth.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Homosexuals raise a ruckus
November 11, 2008 - 22:19 ET by garyganuAs I predicted, the homosexual activists are raising a ruckus because Proposition 8 in California passed. Similar propositions that ban gay marriage, also passed in Florida and Arizona. Also, Arkansas banned unmarried couples from adopting children. Wherever the issue of homosexual marriage has been put to a vote, it has been defeated. The states where homosexual marriage is legal, is due to courts that have overturned ballot propositions, in opposition to the will of the people. In my opinion, these judges are using convoluted-logic in order to promote a liberal agenda.
There is nothing wrong or discriminatory about encouraging that which is healthy, normal and positive. It is also the obligation of our teachers, political leaders and religious leaders to discourage negative, destructive, amoral behavior. Doing anything less, will lead to the diminishment of our families, communities and our nation as a whole. Encouraging "less than positive behavior", will also adversely affect homosexuals. Homosexuals are also a part of our society, and also benefit from that which keeps our people and nation, free, strong, prosperous and healthy.
My Views on Homosexuality.
They are mistaken. Most of
November 11, 2008 - 22:21 ET by dduckw0rthThey are mistaken. Most of the seething hate and anger is on the so called "tolerant" side.
They haven't seen the anger on the pro-marriage side. But if they keep pushing, they will see our anger, and it won't be good for their well-being.
Marriage.... we had this word first to describe a timeless tradition between a Man and a Woman; those who wish to defile it can go get their own word. I personally have nothing against those who wish to, uh, associate with members of their own sex. Just don't call it marriage, get your own word. Thanks.
///The people have spoken!/// INDEED. Slightly over half don't have a CLUE what they spoke for. Enjoy the process as these people slowly get CLUES over a 4yr period. Painful, but enjoyable.
Here is a word
November 11, 2008 - 22:42 ET by LionKingSODOMY
Enspousage, Unionage,
November 11, 2008 - 22:51 ET by TuariEnspousage, Unionage, Togethered, Coupled. There, some ideas for them, since they're obviously too busy beating up and spitting on 69 year old ladies to do anything more productive and peaceful...
What was wrong with civil
November 12, 2008 - 09:08 ET by WolfremWhat was wrong with civil unions? But, nooooo, nothing is ever good enough, they have to have more.(Liberals in general, actually.)
Or did they not care for being considered as........"unionized".
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." - Padme, Star Wars 3
I vote for New Word
November 12, 2008 - 14:54 ET by SpoonHmmm… how about “Pairriage”. Yes! It sounds like marriage… it denotes two people… problem solved! Of course, it wouldn’t be long before the polygamists wanted ‘pairraige’ too, so they’d need a new word. Polyiage? Then Bestiage? How about Inanimate-object-iage. Pediage, anyone? Making up words is fun! Just be careful not to have too much fun on that slippery slope. You might just fall down and hurt your head and I doubt anyone would notice, much less care.
Can someone tell me why...
November 11, 2008 - 22:31 ET by MightyMouthwhy that 10,000 years of human history of morals should be overwritten by the last few years? What the hell is happening? Sounds like the beginning of a downfall to me.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Don't worry, MM
November 12, 2008 - 05:47 ET by sentforth5The LORD will repay them and knows each attacker by name.
Can you imagine this crap going on right here on US soil??!! America is a Christian nation; always has been, always will be.
Do I need to keep saying we are at war with satan? Every day we see evidence...the LORD will repay each and every one of them in very short order.............and just listen as the adversary says,"lots of anger ON BOTH SIDES".yeah, right....
It's all going in The Book, and we who love Christ Jesus will see their end.
People forget one thing. If you are a Christian you must understand that so far NOONE has ever died....He is the God of the living...He may remove you from this dimension and from this fleshly domain, but you are still very much alive in Paradise ( Luke ch 16) awaiting judgement. NOBODY dies until GOD kills their soul in hellfire.
He will repay all this evil, for there will be NO @ssholes in heaven.
Vengence, maybe. But let's hope for repentance.
November 12, 2008 - 09:04 ET by ginagwen7I was at an anti-abortion rally once (it was quite peaceful compared to this vid), and witnessed with disdain the NOW protesters shouting and stomping around in their doc martin's and facial accessories. The speaker took notice of them and said something very insightful: "those folks are just one prayer away from being on this side." It reminded me of my own past and humbled me. You never know when one of those angry protesters will become disgusted with themselves and repent. God can open their eyes, because He seeks after them. It is hard to really reflect on one's own actions when behavior like this is so commonplace, and they get caught up in mob mentality.
That video worth watching!
November 11, 2008 - 22:32 ET by MaximusBraveheartThat says it all. Such love they have! I don't even think it bans civil unions; just cannot be called marriage.
M-B
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I think you are right, M-B...
November 12, 2008 - 05:59 ET by on-the-rocksProp. 8 doesn't "ban" anything (but that is what the MSM wants you to think, so they use the harshest words they can find).
As far as I know, it simply doesn't give legal recognition to anything besides the natural, biological one man/one woman bond that has been marriage for thousands of years.
Has it gotten to the point where little old ladies are going to need a member of the Patriot Guard or a Guardian Angel to give a safe escort? Or to protect church congregations?
As the Chosen One promised in a letter, they expect him (and Congress) to get rid of the Defense of Marriage Act. If he fails to do so, they are going to be so pissed.
We talked about this this
November 11, 2008 - 22:38 ET by motherbeltWe talked about this this AM...I wrote an email to the station's news director complaining about the two idiot anchors. It was not only the guy who commented on the "anger on both sides" but before they showed the video, the woman said they would show "what sparked the confrontation" as if the woman had no right to be there, and started it all.
The news director is Steve Minium and his email is SteveM@cbstv2.com
Just more false "moral
November 12, 2008 - 07:15 ET by ThisnThatJust more false "moral equivalancy" by the stupid people. Mob actions are equivalent to voters results, just like sodomy is equivalent to marriage, in their minds. Sprinkle in totally dumb news readers, and the msm and leftists puppet-masters can put on a show that no one counteract.
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The pitchfork mobs are all over
November 11, 2008 - 22:43 ET by Dee BunkI posted this one the other day where libs stormed the stage at a church service in MI and brought cameras because they hoped to provoke violence
MI pitchfork mob
They also protested outside Saddleback.
O'reilly pointed out how curious it is that they only protest white churches when the deciding factor came from Black Christians who voted in large numbers (forget but it was 70% or more).
Don't liberal tolerance and
November 11, 2008 - 22:46 ET by motherbeltDon't liberal tolerance and respect just make you all warm inside?
The saddest thing is MB
November 11, 2008 - 22:58 ET by Dee Bunkthat these tactics work. They worked to turn the public against Bush and they'll work for this.
So many people support Gay marriage JUST because they don't want to look like they hate gay people. Most people are fine with civil unions, that would give them all the legal rights and protections.
Just remember...
November 12, 2008 - 14:36 ET by kirch66the Communist Manifesto (chapter 2) talks about making the family unit obsolete in order to make people reliant on the State (or community) for emotional and financial support.
"Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family!...The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital." (link)
It's coming my friends. All of the pieces are falling into place. The useful idiots on the Left who think that "from each according to their ability...etc" and "equal outcome fairness" is somewhere in our founding documents will keep on singing the praises.
I've heard some on the Left that say that Socialism is ok, it's not like Communism. What they either refuse to admit or are just completely ignorant of is that the father of the Communist Manifesto states that Socialism is just the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism, not the end point.
"The state does not need the family...The members of the family do not need the family either...In place of the old relationship between men and women, a new one is developing: a union of affection and comradeship, a union of two equal members of communist society, both of them free, both of them independent and both of them workers...Marriage will lose all the elements of material calculation which cripple family life. Marriage will be a union of two persons who love and trust each other...once marriage such as the church used to perform it – this so-called indissoluble marriage which was at bottom merely a fraud – has given place to the free and honest union...The workers’ state needs new relations between the sexes, just as the narrow and exclusive affection of the mother for her own children must expand until it extends to all the children of the great, proletarian family, the indissoluble marriage based on the servitude of women is replaced by a free union of two equal members of the workers’ state who are united by love and mutual respect. In place of the individual and egoistic family, a great universal family of workers will develop, in which all the workers, men and women, will above all be comrades. This is what relations between men and women, in the communist society will be like. These new relations will ensure for humanity all the joys of a love unknown in the commercial society of a love that is free and based on the true social equality of the partners." (excerpts from Communism and the Family", Alexandra Kollontai, First Published: in Komunistka, No. 2, 1920, and in English in The Worker, 1920)
It's in their ideological foundations to destroy the family in order to bring these social changes about. These goals have been long known but over the past 40 years have been ignored and concealed from the general education of our populace.
Communist Goals (REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA, IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, Thursday, January 10, 1963)
If this sounds conspiratorial, then you should read the quotes of Kruschev and members of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA) and others (Socialist Party USA) in the past about how they would spoon feed us socialism until we woke up one day in a communist country without any clue how it happened. Read the platform goals of the CPUSA and the Democratic Party platform goals. Notice how similar they are? There are just too many coincidences of history and the modern Leftist goals to ignore. We are being attacked form within by those who believe in the political philosophy of Karl Marx. THEY know they are getting closer to their ultimate goals of fundamentally changing the USA into a Marxist nation (example in their recent periodical literature). There is a reason why there was a Soviet Flag flying in front of the White House on Election night (second video of flag) after Obama was named as the winner by college students who are seeing their indoctrination coming to fruition.
"America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within." ~ Josef Stalin
"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci
Bash Back Website
November 11, 2008 - 22:54 ET by doctorbulldogHere is the link to Bash Back, the gay anarchists' blog:
CLICK HERE
They are acutally gloating about their illegal activities in Michigan.
Dispicable - but these
November 11, 2008 - 22:55 ET by TruthMongerDispicable - but these strategies actually impair the gay cause - keep it up i say:)
I don't know TM - I've lost hope
November 11, 2008 - 23:04 ET by Dee BunkI thought people would be turned off by Hollywood and the liberals who spewed hate for 8 yrs, but instead the haters ruled. They were successful in turning public opinion against the war and Bush.
I hope you are right with this but I fear this hate mongering has been rewarded and we will be seeing a lot more of it. I'm afraid there will be a lot of shunning going on during Obama's tenure.
Transphobia?????? Homos
November 12, 2008 - 09:16 ET by motherbeltTransphobia?????? LOL
Homos and Lesbos and Trannies...OH MY!!
Sheesh.
The Left's id, revealed at Michigan church
November 11, 2008 - 23:23 ET by Jack ColemanNot so pretty in pink. These people are beyond pathetic.
Jack C - the fact that they covered their faces is also scary
November 11, 2008 - 23:36 ET by Dee BunkI think every state should have a law against covering your face at protests like they do in NY. Remember the anarchists at the Republican convention that were violent and they all had their heads & faces covered? If these people aren't caught and physically detained on the spot then no one can identify them.
Yes, indeed
November 11, 2008 - 22:59 ET by moderncommentaries83I regularly threaten to burn down gay bath houses, crash gay parties, and otherwise harrass gay people - all things they've threatened to do to Mormons and Christians.
And not a single celebrity supporter of No on Prop. 8 has condemned the violence. More than telling, if you ask me.
ew
November 11, 2008 - 23:29 ET by MeowMeowI am not in favor of your methods. You give the rest of us a bad name, you hatemonger. Why not just give your opinion and protest like normal people do?
Obama: A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. --RL
We all know that a little
November 11, 2008 - 23:02 ET by Clear thinkerWe all know that a little old lady holding a cross is a huge threat. Liberals are so darned stupid it should be a criminal act.
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CT
November 12, 2008 - 08:34 ET by choselife3xROFL!
I think it is in Texas!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
There is hate on BOTH SIDES???
November 11, 2008 - 23:17 ET by Scout FinchThis coming from the media that pondered, "Did we favor Obama over McCain too much in this election?" Hmmm....
These "mea culpas" about the campaign and election race wither when we come upon the media distorting obvious visual facts such as this and preposterously claim that "there is hate on both sides".
We want the truth and nothing but. However, if wishes were horses, all men would ride.
How the hell dare the
November 11, 2008 - 23:21 ET by bigtimerHow the hell dare the talking head Long say "as you can see, quite honestly...there is a lot and hate and anger on both sides"....HOW DARE HE!
I tell you how I feel about this whole situation in this country now regarding a lot of issues....it is time to fight back and support a woman like this gal against the filthy slimy thugs that I saw here...time to fight back against the slime-balls like the Black Panthers who will not let others in to vote, on and on....this is getting beyond any sanity, if people just sit by and do nothing, made pacifists by the likes of the talking heads ect..we are done.
I am sickened by this...more than that I am beyond furious!
Stomping on her cross after grabbing it our of her hands...
They had better burn baby burn...
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Godless and Hypocrites
November 12, 2008 - 00:01 ET by ScrapironI told my own sister who attends church every sunday that if she voted for Hussein O she should burn her bible and never enter a church again. She, a lifelong democrat will not admit voting for a follower of the devil, so maybe she didn't. Gay's, Homosexual Marriage and Abortion are all pillars of the democrat party. How did that happen in a few short years? If 90%+ of Americans say they believe in God there is not way Hussein O was elected.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Fear not Scrapion...
November 12, 2008 - 00:28 ET by MightyMouthmany of these people were fooled with bush hate and slick willie type ads. Lets face it, MONEY buys elections now days. Obama got Millions from the I.net mostly overseas. But only 4 years of trouble will make BHO a single term pres. I am just sorry the black folk chose such a liberal as their first Pres. Too bad.
There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
typical
November 11, 2008 - 23:23 ET by MeowMeowSick, godless bastards.
Obama: A glittering jewel of colossal ignorance. --RL
This was the tactic in "God's Warriors" as well
November 11, 2008 - 23:30 ET by exLibIn CNNs attempt at moral equivalency the station went after some evangelical preacher whose outreach was to teenagers. He would bring a large group of teens to SF and protest the "gay rights" parades/days and essentially pray for them and try to get them to study the bible.
On one day there was a group of Christians on one side of the street looking very calm, praying and reading their bibles, maybe raising their voices to be hear over the crowd but no one looked even the slightest bit angry.
On the other side of the street were gay activists with effigies of this guy with quotes like "Die Racist", an effigy of the preacher in a cage with a sign saying something like "Racists like you belong in a cage and should be allowed to speak much less live". And all these people were shouting, looking very angry and wanting physical harm upon the Christians.
Amanpour is then seen interviewing said preaching, saying "Why do hate these people so, they are peaceful people, just wanting to be left alone. You are so mean, you are like the Taliban, you want girls to wear skirts and not watch MTV"
I watched this and thought of scripture that talks about seeing things but not really seeing what is going on spiritually. Then I thought of The Sixth Sense "i see dead people"
And the haters are???
November 11, 2008 - 23:31 ET by northoneThe little old lady was preaching hate? How??
There's nothing more attractive than a group of hysterical, over-weight, old queens ganging up on a elderly woman. Such love! Such compassion! They've done so much to advance the gay cause. Pathetic!
This is what I have been saying
November 11, 2008 - 23:34 ET by exLibOne other thing:
All Christians need to realize this and get the word out NOW.
Legalized "Gay" Marriage means they can come into Churches that preach homosexuality is a sin and shut them down for hate speech.
They can tear pages out of Bibles and start regulating what can be said and not said in Churches.
The only good thing I see coming out of some of this is that hopefully some people will have the blinders off and see the homosexual offenders for what they are, going after Rick Warren and The Mormons in an effort to shut them down.
This is serious
sounds like a serious opportunity for church growth
November 11, 2008 - 23:43 ET by porpoiseboyattempts to silence the truth of christ have always been met with great growth and desire for knowledge among those who are called......don't dispair.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Exactly!
November 12, 2008 - 13:20 ET by MaximusBraveheartThey would then THINK they have the right to stop free expression since gay was legally "protected." This would infringe freedom OF religion AND free SPEECH.
I think this has already happened in Canada. Parts of the Bible there if preached may be considered "hate" speech.
M-B
I was just about to say this...
November 12, 2008 - 14:58 ET by kirch66(link)
Trying to find any news on the repercussions of this change in the law.
"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci
Ok found instance where this was used to "investigate" persons
November 12, 2008 - 15:38 ET by kirch66Bible standards attacked
in 'bastardized courts'
Homosexual advocates claim
hurt feelings, demand penalties
December 25, 2007
Also here:
"The judgment of the Alberta Human Rights and Citizenship Commission (AHRCC) against the Reverend Stephen Boissoin, a Protestant youth pastor, is a direct violation of his religious liberty. Whatever his "guilt" -- and who is not guilty before the human rights commission? -- the judgment requires him to write an apology abjuring his views on homosexuality, and prohibits him and the Concerned Christian Coalition from making "disparaging" remarks about homosexuals.
It is not specified what the AHRCC might consider "disparaging," but simply reading in public -- as in a sermon -- the Biblical admonitions against homosexual acts is not precluded. Indeed, the scope of the AHRCC order is so wide that it effectively says that Rev. Boissoin may not speak publicly on homosexuality ever again, unless he changes his opinion." (link)
Also this: Canada’s War on the Bible and Free Speech
Of course there are no MSM sources for these news articles.
It's coming to the US people. Just wait. Once Obama starts padding the federal judiciary (which Democrats held up almost 70% of Bush's nominations over the past 8 years) with activist judges, as well as the Supreme Court (see Obama's own words on how he will determine judicial nominations), we'll start seeing decisions like this come to the US.
"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci
First hand witness of some real ignorant people
November 11, 2008 - 23:55 ET by caiobabeSo, I'm a local SoCal resident and on voting day, the day of our lord Obama that is, there was this protest in my own city!
I'm driving one way to a job site and see about 60 people on one side of a 6 lane road/intersection with "yes on 8" signs waving and cheering at traffic while on the direct opposite side at the other corner were about 40 folks waving and cheering for the "no on 8".
About one hour later driving back on the same road I approach that intersection and there are cops and police cars everywhere but it seems that the "no on 8" crowd just couldn't contain themselves and were now on the same side of the street as the "yes" folks and they were intermixed. Cops were man handling several of the ladies and lots of screaming and pushing. What was sad was that there were also a couple dozen of really young children in the crowd getting their first lesson on mob style political protesting.
My only real thought past the disgust I had was...Do these people really think that waving signs or fighting was going to change anyone's vote on that day?
caiobabe they don't know
November 12, 2008 - 00:00 ET by porpoiseboyany other way. they are just a small example of what would have happened if bho had NOT been elected. goes back to the 60's. ask bill ayers. anything goes. but the msm has blunted all of this and made it of no effect.
cheers
pb+
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
They are correct.
November 12, 2008 - 01:00 ET by AshleeThis attack on this woman is deplorable and does *nothing* to aid their case. However, just because this take is deplorable, it is not justification to just sweep away that the violence *is* indeed on both sides.
Here's the skinny, flat out. Marriage as a term, is to describe a union between a man and woman. I agree. However, the rights of homosexuals should be *equal* and equally defended when assaulted upon when one attempts to infringe on them as we would defend someone who was straight.
You can say they are the same rights, and sure, its similar, but it harkens to the way they tried to explain segregation in the 50s-60s. That it was 'for the better good, *technically* everyone is seperate but equal.'
That my friends, is a steaming load. Homosexuals, to this day, are barred from adoption in some states and no state I'm aware of protects them from discrimination in attempting to adopt. That is not equal nor free.
Homosexuals are not give the rights of spouses when it comes to company health care and other tax breaks offered to straight couples.
Homosexuals are not allowed the same rights as straight couples when it comes to family disclosure and visitation during the time when one spouse is hospitalized.
I agree, the people complaining and whining over the 'term,' PLEASE, get over it, come up with an exclusive term only for homosexuals if it pleases you.
However, we are, nor were we ever, a 'Christian Nation.' We were a nation of Christians. The concept of separation of Church and State *clearly* defines that, and lest we not forget...
This nation was created so all had freedom and liberty to pursue happiness and success, and that these freedoms are afforded to all our citizens as all people are created equal. That includes homosexuals, yet we still like to restrict rights and the strawmen built to counter such rights have all burnt down; all that remains is religion.
Thats where we reach the impasse. Marriage is a term of faith and of the church, therefore, it is considered to me part of the private sector, and if one wishes to nit pick in such a way, I totally respect that. However, this nation is not run by our churches. You may have your own beliefs, but it is not your place, nor your right to enforce them onto others. Are homosexuals damned to hell if they live their life? Perhaps. Again, not your place to fix it. If you *are* concerned for them, say your piece, and drop it.
I do think however the actions of some protesters of the bill are horrible and are only harming their case. However, let's not play stupid and think its ALL them causing crap. Like they said, its coming from both sides.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
Ashlee... **The
November 12, 2008 - 01:15 ET by bigtimerAshlee...
**The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.**
Yep. ..and it will come to be.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Ashlee - Homosexuality is a
November 12, 2008 - 01:40 ET by cocodrieAshlee - Homosexuality is a chosen way of life. If the consequences of that choice are unacceptable then a different way of life should be vhosen. Marriage has from the beginning of man has been a union between a man and a woman and this definition should not be changed to suit those that have chosen to be different. Nowhere in the constitution nor in the amendments is there any mention of a separation of church and state. This "seperation" is a recent imposition by the SCOTUS. The constitution forbids the government to interfere with the free exercise of religion. All the legal problems can be solved with wills and other contracts filed in advance just as normal relationships handle them. Whether God will damn them to hell will be decided by Him. Homosexuals would do well to read God's word on the subject and know that it will be Jesus sitting on His throne, not Barney Frank.
Not a hate crime?
November 12, 2008 - 05:28 ET by DragonsbreathIf what they did is not a hate crime then what is one?
Or do hate crimes only apply when normal white humans do something?
When you can't ask a question to your leaders anymore, that gets scary. That bothers me."
Samuel "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher
don't you mean
November 12, 2008 - 06:13 ET by sentforth5"typical" white human?
ashlee
November 12, 2008 - 08:23 ET by choselife3xIf you really think that sodomites have a 'right' to marry or adopt children you are OUT OF YOUR MIND. Homosexuality is quite obviously a perversion of the natural order, there is a REASON why they can't have children! Putting an innocent child into such an environment is mind blowingly stupid. Not to mention incredibly unfeeling towards that child's physical, mental, and emotional well-being. One day when you grow up you might have children and then you'll know better.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Any of these things like
November 12, 2008 - 09:05 ET by ckbennetttnAny of these things like healthcare etc., many companies offer health insurance for domestic partners these days, as far as visitation that can be arranged for by a living will and power of attorney. As far as not being able to adopt a child, and being "discriminated against" in the adoption process--so be it. I will not cry one tear for that.
This is more than about the stuff you mention because most of these things have been granted to them. It is about changing, nay disallowing and removing, any idea or view contrary to their own. It is also about corrupting the young.
“I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.” --Barack Obama
It is also about corrupting the young.
November 12, 2008 - 13:34 ET by MaximusBraveheartIt is also about corrupting the young. That is the TRUTH! That is why they want to control the school agenda! So they can promote the homo life as being "enlightened." No downside is EVER presented despite the "best selling book" of all time warning that you will be TURNED OVER to your perverted DESIRES if you follow such a path. How is that not true? You can see it in their OWN acts. So if gay marriage is OK, why not everything else. 5 people in a marriage, etc. 10 yr. olds. Dogs... They all seem to be having "fun" so what's the problem? It is called being immoral and there is a moral standard despite them trying to wipe it out. Like truth will be wiped away!
M-B
What is also not mentioned is
November 12, 2008 - 16:03 ET by kirch66in California, the very state that has all the big protests going on, has in the state laws that visitation, and all other legal status is equal to heterosexual couples who are partnered but not married (I believe this was the case in the other two states that amended their state constitutions).
As of 2007, California affords domestic partnerships all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under state law (Cal. Fam. Code §297.5). Among these:
(source)
So why would they need to be "married"? The whole argument I keep hearing is that they want visitation in hospitals and other such legal nonsense when those laws are already on the books for them to have equal protections against being refused. As far as the adoption issue, not all heterosexual couples are approved to adopt children either for various descriminatory reasons. So get over it. They never wanted to have just equal legal representation, they wanted to change the traditional definition of marriage.
One more effort to de-value marriage and the family.
Scandanavian marriage rates are at an all-time low. The societal view of marriage is that it is an outdated institution by many Swedes and Norwegians today. 60% of children in this countries are born to unwed parents. Pro-gay marriage activists try to claim that divorce rates even between hetero couples in those countries are lower now than ever before, yet they ignore the fact that if you have fewer marriages, you end up with fewer people filing for divorce. So they lie by omission when they claim positive divorce rates in those countries. When marriage means anything, it means nothing.
"The moment you give up your principles and your values, the moment you laugh at those principles and those values, you are dead, your culture is dead, your civilization is dead. Period." - Oriana Fallaci
This is the problem; the
November 12, 2008 - 20:46 ET by bertkillianThis is the problem; the conservatives are always expected to just "drop it." We are NOT going to drop it. This is a lifestyle choice that has been molded/formed into a "legitimate" cause; which it is not. Why would they try to cram their lifestyle choice down the throats of those of us, in majority, that absolutely do not agree or condone?
Gays need to keep their lifestyle choices to themselves and do what ever they want; in private. Why should one person's rights be taken away so someone else's can be promoted? Gays have all the rights and protections afforded already, by the Constitution. Anything more than that is up to moral acceptance; not to be demanded. The majority in California have already spoken.
wow ashlee you sure are verbose
November 12, 2008 - 20:59 ET by porpoiseboyto say that you know what the intentions of the founding fathers were for the future of this country in regards to the rights of homosexuals to call what they do in forming unions is both silly and frankly, plain wrong. obvious you have never read them. they wrote the constitution and BOR based on a certain morality that is not much in approval these days. read them. if what you want to say is that the things they said can now be applied to a "new morality" that was not thought of in their day is a possibly valid but completely different argument. if you would "edumacate" yourself b4 pontificating you might find your arguments more concise and accepted.
cheers!
Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.
Please don't assume you know how the saying goes...
November 13, 2008 - 10:25 ET by AshleeFirst off, it is that arrogant tone that makes all the left and many moderates *make* assumptions like 'you're all arrogant, rude, and crass people.' that 'All repbulicans are heartless God crazy people who can't be kind in the slightest of ways.'
I don't know your educational background, nor your education of our history in regards to the Constitution, or any of the like, so I won't attack your scholarly fortitude as you have attacked mine.
However, I am going to politely disagree with you. I was a student of Political Science all through my college career, and yes, I was one of the few people who *didn't* eat the left wing, often crass propaganda my professors were all too pleased to serve us on their finest silver platter. I can also say many times I was dismissed from these 'dinners' of supposed education, merely because I brought up a fact that didn't fit comfortably and nicely into their little idea of 'how it *really* is.'
The sad fact here, however, is that BOTH sides do this. Look, I'll admit, I have friends who are in chemical engineering and theory and nothing annoys them more than a 2 month project, where all the tests are in extreme support of a theory, only to find the very last test, that .000001% proves it null and void.
*BOOM*
Months of research, and not to mention the calm, reassured feeling one gets when they feel they have the *true* answer, are tossed out the window. It's not fun, it may not seem fair, but you simply cannot shy away from *actual* fact (not spiritual musings, those are different) merely because the answer isn't what you wanted.
THe reason for that rediculously long diatribe? To illustrate this point...
NO ONE on either aisle likes it when fact disproves their cause. I'll be the first to admit I hate it when I find I'm wrong, but I allow myself the room and permission to be such. Until I have that Heart to Heart with God, Allah, or whomever your creator is, I can only make theories of how things are and allow fact to either support or refute them.
Getting back to the main point; you claim I am mislead, or even downright ignorant (as you claim I should simply 'read' the constitution and Bill of Rights) to these documents that cemented the foundation of which our great and *FREE* nation was built upon.
I'm sorry to inform you, that indeed, how I presented it, was how it was set out to be. Aside from the blight that was slavery, this nation was a righteous Nation that rose from great religious oppression and ostracization. We fled from our former nation(s) in search of a new start, and much like the knee jerk reaction of the religious sect of the Republican party react now to people who are 'different,' Great Britain reacted in similar fashion.
After finally successfully repelling their attempt to enforce ownership and their domain over us, we built a new nation in the image of a *truely* pluralistic society where one was not judged based off of our differences. These differences were across the board, be it the job you took, the company you kept, and the religion you chose, or chose *not* to follow.
Again, it is VERY simple when you review the words. We the people of America are a nation of Christians, not a Christian Nation. Now, would GW or Jefferson be down for two men getting down and dirty? I'd be willing to guess not, but who knows; let's assume, for your sake, they find it deplorable. Even then, they knew they had no right to enforce their own beliefs onto others. Again, the reason it was spoke that we were a nation of Christians and NOT a Christian Nation is because they understood the dangers of bringing God and Religion into governing policy.
I know you won't 'get' it and you'll probably continue to slam or at least argue this point until the day you draw your last breath, and that is fine, its your right. However, while we may disagree on an issue, don't assume you know whether or not Im educated, well read, or my level of acclaimation to the BOR or Constitution (I have the constitution, BOR, and Articles of Confederation above my mantlepiece and reference it often when debates like this come up.)
I know you find homosexuality immoral, and gross, and just deplorable. I feel the same way about fly by night marriages, yet, as sacred as it supposedly is, you can still get drunk, and married by a priest dressed as Elvis at 4am in Vegas, and run right down the other end of the block at 1pm the next day when they hangover is in full effect to get it nullified. However, I believe it is a person's right to do that if they wish. Same with homosexuals.
Again, if you and others coming from the Religious point of being against this, do you not realize it was said by our God and his Son that it is *not* our place to pass judgement or enforce the will of God. The will of God be done when the time has come.
I don't know what more to say about this aside from that fact that I respectfully disagree with you that the Constitution and our forefathers did not mean 'equality and freedom for men and women of God.' It is freedom and equality for all. As they say, God will sort the rest of it out. If one feels the need to do that for him on this Earth, it doesn't speak to well for the strength of their faith.....again, all just my own honest *opinion* so take it for what its worth.
Also, in closing, please, even if we disagree, don't stoop to insulting my intelligence or assuming I am not well versed in what I speak upon. DO me that favor and I promise to give you the same respect.
God Bless.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
As I posted previously.....
November 12, 2008 - 06:09 ET by old croon the article of the dem peeing on the crowd.....
"Just a tinkling of the things to come."
They won't stop till they
November 12, 2008 - 06:20 ET by Lancasters Saved UsThey won't stop till they have a steady supply of legal, state sanctioned babies...provided by you "Breeders"..
I'd love to have seen that Lady go Billy Jack on those cowards.
Phycotic
November 12, 2008 - 06:38 ET by Chattychitolooked to me that these men were taking their agression out on a mother figure. I wonder if anyone has ever did a study to find out why men turn gay.
I am sure it is just the sex they like anyway. Before I became a Christian I love to have sex with anyone even men. it was those men that turned me off to Homosexuality. they became more and more pervertedly aggressive in their form of sex it made me sick. I had to get away from them.
that poor woman had just as much right to be there as they had. they should have given her the respect she was showing them.
The Homosexual Mafia fully
November 12, 2008 - 07:57 ET by nadadhimmiThe Homosexual Mafia fully realize that they are immune from any form of prosecution for any acts. That is why they are allowed , with impunity , to invade churches services, assault senior citizens in the name of "tolerance", and mutual understanding of all peoples". Election results????, they appear to be valid only if they confirm the agenda of the Homosexuals, otherwise, they are shouted down in the best Communist activist traditions. Just observe, and you will be see it to be true.
Impeachment
November 12, 2008 - 08:33 ET by BlueCat57Time to dust off our constitutional right to impeach judges. I know it would be a Quixotic (?) quest, but the people who voted for the proposition need to put the fire to the feet of their representatives to impeach judges who exceed their constitutional authority. The people need to instigate a power struggle between the legislative and judicial branches in their states. They need to treat the legislators as weak and ineffective and tell the legislators that judges are the ones with the real power. It needs to be a coordinated, deliberate effort. Can you imagine what those power hungry legislators will do if they think they are losing power?
This isn't the only case of Queers Gone Wild
November 12, 2008 - 09:29 ET by Mike76http://www.rightmich...
Shocking
November 12, 2008 - 11:39 ET by SQL_SamWhy hasn't anyone been arrested for this assault? IT WAS ON TAPE for goodnes sake. I'm sure if someone ripped a giant dildo out of the hands of some gay protester and then jumped up and down on it, "they" would be reviewing the tape using homeland security to do face recognition to find out who that person was so they could be arrested.
I wonder how "they" would feel if we charged into there house of worship (aka bath houses) with camara's. I'd wonder if anyone would hide there faces? At any rate we could probably sell "the tape" back to the porn industry for a profit - kind of telling isnt it?
I wasn't assuming, I was simply reciting
November 13, 2008 - 10:24 ET by AshleeSorry, posted in the wrong part of the page :-P
Ashlee, are you ever
November 13, 2008 - 12:03 ET by Dan The Man 2Ashlee, are you ever wrong? This “Also, in closing, please, even if we disagree, don't stoop to insulting my intelligence or assuming I am not well versed in what I speak upon” is funny because we are not insulting your intelligence but pointing out your ignorance. There is a difference. And you can go through college and take all the polysci courses and still be ignorant.
In a blog like this formal education doesn’t mean too much, it has its value but we look at what you write and espouse rather than your credentials, or rather what you write and back up with facts (yours are sorely lacking). Those determine your cred on this blog. In other words your education at college is worth exactly what it is worth and nothing more, it is a piece of paper saying you went to college and paid your money and passed the proscribed courses. I am in the process of hiring a clerk and going through 250 applications, maybe 10 percent with college degrees.
In all of your diatribe and your scholarly wisdom about the Constitution, you seem to miss the fact that the Feds are not supposed to make any laws concerning religion, yet they have. And all powers not stated for the feds in the Constitution are supposed to be the individual states. When did this change? I want the powers to be with the states again. The Civil war was about states rights.
So if an individual state wants to have a prayer in school then it by the constitution should be legal. If they want to make homosexuality a crime then according to the Constitution it should be legal and the same with abortion and so on. That seems to be your ignorance along with an animosity towards the Christians who believe they should be in politics and make sure the laws of the land do not conflict with those of God.
God wants us to judge others by their words, deeds and actions; judged against the Bible.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Well, again, I apologize if
November 13, 2008 - 12:42 ET by AshleeWell, again, I apologize if I came off as 'arrogant' or 'smarmy' but any person who's being rational would see I was simply providing my imput, which was clearly defined, all points aside from the constitution, as my *opnion.* I even added emphasis to that particular word, apparently it was for naught. Yet, again, I am responded to with a tone of almost parental 'endoument of wisdom' as if you are somehow 'educating' me and going off the assumption I even need to be educated. Again, aside from the point of the Constitution holding up our individual rights and the separation of those rights from Religious dominance or influence, its all opinion.
As for being incorrect, I am incorrect more times than most would ever admit. I used to be the type when I was in my early teens who, like most, would rather avoid blame or scapegoat it. I found, with age as most do, that owning up to mistakes is the only true way to make progress and learn from said mistakes (mind you I am *not* stating anyone here is making mistakes, it seems 'assumption' is a common theme among people here when presented a point contrary to their own.)
As for my 'facts' lacking, I really don't see where they lack. I presented statements of the forefathers in regards to us being a religious nation and not a nation of religion, and I'm sorry if that doesn't work for you, but like you love to tell those on the other side, tough spit, thats how our Nation came to be, a nation of free religious expression, which also means freedom to be free *of* religion of one chooses so.
I won't bother with the College comment as I *do* agree that degree does not warrant blanket proof of one's intellect, but I am a tad offended that yet again, not knowing *where* I went to school, that you again, as many others here seem to do, *assume* you know that my education couldn't possibly be proof of my intellectual 'grit.'
You also mention my 'ignorance.' I admit, I'm ignorant to many things, nano-sciences, extremely high-level mathematics, and what exactly is going on in today's latest sitcoms. I am, however, *not* ignorant on this matter as I frequently refer back to the Constitution and BOR in order to uphold either the left or the Right's attempts to skew it to fit their agenda. The Left was Religion all but outlawed, and that is a blatant breach of our Constitution and a breach of our rights as Americans to pursue whatever Religion we wish and the freedom to speak openly upon it. I can assure you I have peeved off my fair share of far left thinkers on blogs such as the Huff Po. However, as an attempted centrist (sure, everyone's biases sometimes draw them to one side more than another) I refuse to let my own party get away with the same thing. The Right wishes to appropriate Christian morality into the 'way of our land' as you say, and that *also* is not only a blatant breach of the Constitution, but also of our rights as Americans. So again, if you wanna call me out for not understanding the balancing of complex equations in chemistry, or my lack of knowledge of Calculus, or the fact that I've no idea what's going on on Prison Break currently; by all means, go ahead, because yes, on those issues, I am as ignorant as a biology book in theatre class. However, as this is an issue I am passionate about, please do not assume I am 'ignorant.' I am looking at the Constitution purely as it is written, and even then, I wouldnt necessarily call you ignorant, merely because you disagree, please offer me the same kindness, because as it stands now, my view of it is exactly how it was written; not exactly a winning battle for one who instead of agreeing to disagree, would rather have a war of ideas.
Also, as you might be surprised, I agree with you on one point; the Federal Government has NO business in Religion. Period. However, its a two way street and you miss one *very* important point...
Religion has NO business in the Federal Government. Period.
As for states rights, I agree, to a point. To which I would ask,
would you support a state's right to ban interacial marriages?
Again, if you say 'yes' I'm not going to judge you, it isn't my place. However, if you *disagree* on the grounds that its discriminatory, then you've gotten yourself in quite a hypocritical conundrum. Again though, Im not going to assume your answer, and I think most who *do* believe in state's rights, they would say they disagree with that law, but agree with the right to pass it if the state population willed it to be.
However, that would mean, especially as the USA becomes more Progressive, for good or bad (and yes, even as a Conservative Christian I am aware that not all 'progressive' growth or change is inheirently 'bad') that means as states vote on issues like abortion and same sex marriage, SHOULD it pass as legalizing such issues, you must accept it just as you are claiming homosexuals must accept the prop 8 vote.
If you can agree that you, even if you dont like it, support a state's right to vote for such rights, then I can see your point, and its merely we differ in what we feel is acceptable. In which case, like I said, I respectfully choose to just agree to disagree with you on that. However, if you *do* indeed believe Religion should be a basis for how we are governed, and therefore would never support a state's right to pass such laws *allowing* things like abortion or same sex marriage, then I would say by all accounts, not just my opinion, that would make one a hypocrite. (again *not* calling you one, merely stating that if someone supports state's rights only when their vote wins, thats a hypocrite.)
As for 'God wants us to judge others by their words...'
I am far from a bible scholar but have read it enough times that God wishes us to only focus on our OWN path and save the judgement for Him. Sure, its great to try and lead others to salvation, Jesus himself kept company with some of the most dark and insidious of individuals in hopes to save them. However, he didn't shout them down, berate their lifestyle with crass talk, and belittle them, he tried to find *positive* ways to lead them to salvation. I've yet to see such grace from any poster here trying to prove that their way is the way.
In closing too, its offensive to assume I have a beef, let alone *hate* of a religion I hold close to my heart and have since I was 15 years old, over 10 years ago. I know you might decry me as 'not a Christian' but I would never say such to you, and I am solid enough in my faith to know that the opinion of one or many men does not sway my solidarity in Him.
So next time, just make fun of my math skills if you feel the need to take a shot at me, not my faith.
The people should not fear their Government,
The Government should fear the people.
Same Sex Marriage will cause Harm and Civil Unrest
November 29, 2008 - 15:59 ET by taekwondodadWhy the 6000 year is historically established natural rights of married couples, an institution who has proved beyond a doubt of it benefit, great purpose and excellence being trampled on by a few hypo sexed gay and lesbian couples. For over 6000 years marriage between and man and a woman who have produce millions of human beings, to include the current and next generation of human beings that are presently being attacked by irrationally hypo sexed biologically unproductive same sex activist gay and lesbian couples who are manifesting a complete absurd demand for same sex marriage.
The measure of anything in human society is done by its benefit or harm done. So what is the benefit of Same Sex Marriage of gay and lesbian couples? That same sex couples can have a word called marriage attached to sexual activities that does more harm than good.
1. Morally: it is beyond the pale of sanity, orderliness, world religions at large and the findings of cultural anthropology. Historically social unrest is the primary result of the promotion of morally unacceptable gay and lesbian sexual activity when it becomes common within the boundaries of human cultures. Religiously, the greater religions of Christianity and Islam show a stern ban on same sex marriages. Judaism however appears to be split in its acceptance. Many other lesser religions such a Hinduism, Buddhism, and Shintoism appear to be neutral in neither accepting nor rejecting same sex marriages.
2. Scientifically: it sounds impractical, unreasonable, and incoherent. Neither the Biological, Chemical, Medical or Psychological sciences have seen the significant benefits of gay and lesbian marriage. The principles applied in Biology are that which is sustainable and natural. In the Chemical sciences promotes that which is most beneficial towards human development in technology, medicine and daily life. In the Medical sciences, that which does the least Harm and promotes the most good. Finally in the psychological sciences it promotes that which makes humans most cohesive to providing a behavior that promotes a cohesive social good.
3. Biologically: the behaviors engaged by gay and lesbian couples are not naturally, nor physiologically compatible nor conducive for human productivity and child rearing. Obviously gay and lesbian married couples cannot among themselves even possible conceive children. They are not only incapable of the production of children, and they are socially incapable of rearing. Same sex males cannot nurse children with regular breast milk. The raising of boys within a lesbian marriage would inhibit the natural development of a non gay male psychologically. It is difficult for a single mother in a heterosexual marriage on her own to raise boy properly (look at the neglect of boy in single parent non male household.) For example look at the number of records of juveniles who are now ex gang members now serving time in America’s prison system.
4. Medically: gay and lesbian same sex married couples are the cause of an upswing of horrid diseases that are destroying the health and welfare of many humans introducing those disease to children, as a result of the promotion of unhealthy sexual behavior which is tantamount to child abuse. Furthermore since the testing of human beings on the scale of the excessive harm of Russian psychotherapy, the insane German medical practices in WWII concentration camps, testing how children would develop in such a new form of human development should also be deemed inhuman. For it is barely proper to use animals for many medical test, are we now going to test babies and children to see if they will develop normally in same sex marriages. The fact that gay and lesbians same sex marriage would exist would enable those couples to adopt psychologically non-gay/lesbian children and raise them in an environment that would be normally harmful if children were raised in abusive heterosexual marriage couples.
5. Developmentally: gays and lesbians same sex married couples are harmful for the natural physiological and social development of children and adults. In that gay and lesbian same sex marriage would promote a life style that may be incompatible with the child’s natural sexual orientation. If the Childs development is abused by the same sex married couple – when would child protective service engage the protection of the child, and would the gay and lesbian married couple be imprisoned for causing harm to the child. If the number of abused children in same sex marriage were found, and the Child Protection Agency did not protect those children, would the State be open for lawsuits by those children, for allowing the adoptions to occur in the first place.
6. Socially: gay and lesbians same sex married couples do not promote vital relations within the maximums of human social structures, but are isolated because the vast cultural disinterest in gay and lesbian same sex marriage is not tolerated, nor reasonable with the promotion of natural family development. Since this the fact, legalizing Gay and or Lesbian same sex marriage, will only cause more harm to the cohesive interaction of adults who reside within the limitations of a State. Non cohesive social interaction has already shown it ugly head by the vast amount of gay and lesbian protest marches being launched through out the United States. Observers has seen excessive misdemeanor and even life threatening groups of gay protestors, forcing police action to remove non gay citizens from the protest area. Stronger opinions, will serve little in the way of social cohesion and law makers who promote the disintegration of social cohesion should be considered responsible for promoting unrest and excessive civil disobedience. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is currently liable for promoting civil unrest, while additionally showing his incapacity of maintaining fiscal balance in the State of California. Such behavior within private organizations demands a removal of such an irresponsible representative.
7. Individually: gay and lesbian activist do not behave as cohesive adults with the rest of civilization. Because gay and lesbian activist demonstrate publicly what the rest of the human family does privately their can be no cohesiveness between gay/lesbian (so-called adults) and culturally consistent adult behavior.
8. Politically: gays are always at the forefront of anti human organizations that cause much harm globally to states, religions, families, children and the human race at large. Creating harm is scientifically, medically, politically, and economically unreasonable and in the cases of such harm that is caused, in all other avenues of human life, that which creates harm must be isolated and eventually terminated.
9. Economically: it is unsound for the positive growth of the State of California, or any State or country. Same sex marriages cannot and will not promote anything but their own self interest, of which is to maximize the activities of unproductive sex. Same sex marriages are unproductive in that it has little interest in the promotion of human development, moral directives for proper mental development, and socially cohesive development within the human society.
10. In that it Same sex marriage is unscientific, biologically incompatible, medically unhealthy, developmentally harmful to children, socially nonfunctional, individually in cohesive, politically anti-human, and economically unsound demonstrates that it only has it self interest in mind, and is does not function effectively within the world of human adults, families, kin, and organization. Just what is it that we as a State for that matter a Country talk about when it comes to the legal marriage rights of same sex couples?
It is only ignorance of, or, in some "angry get even" cases that there is this unreasonable demand to promote a political intention to destroy Marriage between a Man and a Woman.
Gay and Lesbians same sex marriage couples have shown themselves to be NOT: Morally reasonable; scientifically beneficial; biologically consistent with nature; medically directed toward healthiness; developmentally improving the human condition; socially functional within human structures; individually an adjunct to universal adult behavior; politically justified legally in considerations of all the above; and economically sound in principle. The over abundance of proof religiously, scientifically and socially is against the acceptance of same sex marriage.
Legalizing same sex marriage will only cause more civil unrest between the two positions pro and con. The cause of "Civil unrest in California between the two factions" is now is in the hands of the current Governor of California. It was wrong for the Governor to step beyond his authority and promote the Post Proposition 8 legal challenges. It will be on his head if civil unrest begins, in fact has already begun with the threatening of individual lives by the gay and lesbian communities throughout California. If the Supreme Court does not identify the significant Harm done, then the Court itself will also be responsible for the very prospects of causing harm.
The Fourth Estate is the True enemy of the common man.