Rick Sanchez.

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Rick Sanchez is (at best) a mediocre anchor who is just trying to ingratiate himself to all big shot anchors.  He tried and failed to debunk Joe.  Try as he might, he couldn't do it because Joe is right, and he has the guts to stand up for what's right.

First time poster here, been reading for quite some time. I just cannot get over how these media types just love to rail on the guys and gals that have made this great country what it is. Weasels like Ricky just can't seem to grasp what it means for someone to have the principles that J.T.Plumber seems to have a very firm grasp on. Here's hoping the damage can be contained to a four year span and not 40.

I really like this joe guy, and I hate what they have done to him, one of my best friends owns a plumbing company - he makes well over 250k, and that is what Joe was talking about, he was not talking about being a plumber, he was talking about owning the company

presentlyI am a veteran of Afghanistan and Iraq, I have a masters degree, I work an extra shift one night a week (all I can get) at the restaurant I work at during the day, I struggle to get by with the work I can find, I constantly seek a better opportunity somewhere, and I am facing a possibly recall into the Marines that I will not know about until sometime this December . . . by all accounts, my life kind of sucks - and my obama fan friends don't get it that I would not like to be bailed out by someone else

principles is right, I think I will make some bumper stickers that say that - and of course, not credit joe the plumber and profit off of his idea

teeheehee

"It's talking about taking someone's money and taxing them at a
harder rate because they make more than you, they've worked harder than
you?"

"Harder rate"? I thought just like Joe until I was about  19, and someone explained to me about disposable income---that some of us have a lot more of it after paying for the basics--food, shelter, etc.---than others.

And along the way, I observed  how that disparity often had nothing to do with virtue. I saw many fine people--folks who lacked special talents or weren't lucky enough to be "born on third base"---working hard at low-paid jobs that nevertheless had to be done.

Maybe Joe should take a look around before wrapping himself in "principles" that are out of synch with the realities of many people's lives.

Rick Sanchez is mentally ill. I wouldn't bother with this yahoo if I was Joe the Plumber. I would have bigger fish to fry...ya know?

The top 1% wage earners pay 5% of the income taxes.  The top 5%, pay 25% of them, the top 50% pay 90% and the bottom 40% pay either zero or they get a check from the people in the top 60%.

If that's not progressive enough for you, you're marxist thug.

is it possible i can send a bill to the MSM for ll of the dentalwork I'm going to need from grinding my teeth.

What is it with them? Can't they understand that the fair share of tax is the same percentage (flat tax) to charge a person a higher percentage would be an unfair share.

Rick brings in all of the services that are paid for with taxes (fire, police, etc...) a few problems. First of all a wealthy person does not get a greater benefit from these services than a poor person so he does not have a higher "share". Secondly all the services he mentioned are paid for with state or local taxes NOT FEDERAL!

Then the way Rick goes straight to the liberal playbook of ignoring the issue at hand and instead go for the politics of personal destruction. He realized that he couldn't beat the fact that charges some a higher percentage for a higher income was unprinipled that he had to go into the dirty laundry. Im agine if every time someone had a conversation with PEO (president elect obama) they were to start playing a tape of Rev. Wright PEO would lose hid eloquence very quickly.

But the topper of all this was that when Joe called him on this on pulling out the laundry Rick goes and says that since he "thrust himself into the campaign" "endorsed McCain"etc... he brought this upon himself..... well how dare Rick say that. First of all PEO came to Joe's home not the other way around. then he was brought up in a debate. the following day all the mud was flying about him he didnt thrust himself into the campaign and the media was tearing him apart. he only endorsed McCain about a week ago so that didn'y cause it. Besides how mant celebrities endorsed PEO? I don't recall see Jessee Jackson's tax return or the Clintons or for that matter the aforementioned Rev. Wright.

No the media came out on this man this citizen who did nothing more than ask a question of a candidate, the media came out with claws bared to slice hime up. Why? Because he was a citizen with conservative values.

The media sickens me. and the lefts policy of personal destruction frightens me. Obama is our President elect I hope my fear of what his presidency may be to this great nation is wrong.

Joe was absolutely correct - Sanchez is vetting the wrong guy.

If we are so damn interested in the truth here, then why did the MSM not vet Senator Obama on his statements to Joe. Obama did not tell the truth:

1.) Right off the top, Obama just out and out lied to Joe the Plumber. Obama said:  

 "we haven't given a [tax] break to folks who make less."

 Yes "we" did. Lots of them. 

The Bush administration, with congress, did in fact give poorer and middle class working folks numerous and significant tax breaks (** Listed below). Obama and Biden were free to argue for them or against them - but should not be allowed to lie straight out to the American public and suggest that they do not exist. Obama/Biden must be vetted on these misrepresentations.

Additionally (and leaving the top end tax cuts off the table here - a separate discussion), the Obama/Biden camp continued to press the view that we should return the middle and lower income class workers to the tax policy of the Clinton years - as if they would be better off then? No, the Bush tax cuts lowered the tax liability of these two classes - from where they were when Clinton left office - a considerable amount more than Senator Obama's new tax cuts will do. If the Bush tax cuts for the middle and lower class are allowed to expire, and Obama delivers the tax cuts to these two groups, as he has proposed, these two groups will be faced with a higher tax liability - hence, will have a tougher time getting ahead - than in the present moment. The Bush tax cuts must remain in place for the lower and middle class workers.

**... significant tax breaks; all middle and lower tax rates were lowered, with the 15% lower bracket being cut to 10% (a 50% reduction); child tax credit was doubled; and the marriage penalty tax trap was fixed - and it helped a ton. In 2001 they received a tax rebate. In 2008, for goodness sakes, once again, we are given a tax rebate, a larger one, a part of a stimulus package. Millions of lower and middle class workers invest in the markets and did in fact benefit from lower capital gains tax and lower dividend tax rates. The capital gains tax reductions also extend to the sale of rental property and to the sale of a small businesses, creating a much needed break for all, including the middle class.

Jesus you'd think the media would want to lay low for awhile and not gloat.  I guess they really want to rub Conservatives noses in it. 

Do they think they are immune?  There are millions of people absolutely insensed with the media right about now.  If they had any brains they might figure out now is not the time to be gloating.  I guess they'll figure it out after a while then. 

Joe is out of touch November 5, 2008 - 10:18 ET by Agrarian-Decentralist "It's talking about taking someone's money and taxing them at a harder rate because they make more than you, they've worked harder than you?" "Harder rate"? I thought just like Joe until I was about 19, and someone explained to me about disposable income---that some of us have a lot more of it after paying for the basics--food, shelter, etc.---than others. And along the way, I observed how that disparity often had nothing to do with virtue. I saw many fine people--folks who lacked special talents or weren't lucky enough to be "born on third base"---working hard at low-paid jobs that nevertheless had to be done.

 Maybe Joe should take a look around before wrapping himself in "principles" that are out of synch with the realities of many people's lives.

YGTBSM.  There are four things I can do with my "disposable" income. 1) Give it to charity 2)Invest it, which will help businesses with expansion, recapitalization, etc 3)Spend it, which will help the economy, whether it be on goods or services 4)Give it to the government to "distribute" it.

If you omit the incentive to make more $$ (being taxed because one's disposable income is too high), then why would anyone work hard to make more disposable income.  Not everyone finds the right way to make their dreams come true, and many fail.  But many do make it.  Take it too the ridiculous.  I'm an overweight middle aged guy.  I would like to be in the next Olympics in let's say the 100 meter dash.  But it would only be fair for me to to have a 75 yard head start.

Joe is not saying taxes are not needed and he seems to believe that the progressive tax is a necessary evil, until a better tax code comes along.  What JTP is saying, IMHO, is don't take from me because I make over 250K and REDISTRIBUTE it.

I'm learning to deal with media bias, but I'm still having a hard time with media idiocy like that shown by Sanchez

Chai

“...Bury me on my face,” said Diogenes; and when he was asked why, he replied, “Because in a little while everything will be turned upside down.”

Joe should have asked Sanchez his source of Joe's tax information. Then Joe should have asked him why it didn't concern Sanchez a bit that his (Joe's) personal income tax information became public information. This should be investigated since it is very difficult, if not impossible, for law enforcement to get tax data on drug dealers. But "Joe the Plumber" - no problem!

Hey Sanchez,

I don't make 250k.  I make way under that.  But guess what?  I don't want Obama's handouts.  I don't want to take money away from those who worked hard to earn it.  That disgusts me.

So you know what?  I'm taking the handout and donating it.  To conservative causes.  Maybe I'll send some to Ann Coulter.  Or how about the One's great enemy, Sean Hannity? Or programs supported by them.

Hey - I endorsed McCain this election season.  Am I now a target of the media because I am now not a private citizen in their eyes?  ... oh, guess I have to get on tv and ask an honest question of the Great Comrade after he steps onto my lawn.  And then when HE answers truthfully, but nobody likes the answer, guess who's to blame?  The one who asked the question!

The media ****ed us over.  The Messiah didn't get vetted.  They'd rather spend their time digging into the backgrounds of private citizens instead of the elected official who wouldn't even be able to get security clearance.  But, hey!  He's The One!  No problems, they'll just cover up for him. After all, he's the magical pretty pony that's going to save us all and heeeaaal our relations with the World.  The world that salivates at the prospect of America becoming weak.

 Ahh, yes, the brilliant logic of the media. Seems one ill hasn't been cured simply because the "one" has been elected: ignorance. I guess, according to Sanchez, since I've never been raped, I can't have an opinion on the issue. I guess, since I'm not a journalist, if Obama said journalists now have to pay an 80% tax rate, I shouldn't have an opinion on that. I guess, according to Sanchez, as long as you're not the one getting screwed directly, you should be ok with it.

Obama's Economic plan: more taxes, more spending, more regulation. Prosperity here we come.

I can't believe the stupidity of the guy.  All you need to make it in tv news these days is a pretty head, anything inside it is optional.

We need to Start our own Conservative TV Network. one with all conservativve reporters willing to spin the turth and not the fantasy we see on the big 4 (abc, cbs, msnbc, and cnn).  we need to unit and then by the next election we will have some means in the media on the TV's of America.

Offer a little less advertizment cost so we can raise the funds to do the Real Stuff. start some prime time drama's and news shows. 

Let's invest now and get it going.

Just where do I send my check?

anyone game?