Let's see. ACORN has been submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registrations and is being investigated by the FBI. However, if you are John McCain you should just keep your mouth shut and not complain about it. That is the absurd assertion of an editorial in today's Los Angeles Times (emphasis mine):
John McCain committed a malicious misrepresentation in the last presidential debate when he claimed that ACORN, the liberal activist group, "is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy."
As ACORN acknowledges, it has collected voter registration forms with bogus signatures. But even when they aren't winnowed out by election officials, transparently invalid registrations don't lead to fraudulent voting. Even the most lax poll worker wouldn't allow "Mickey Mouse" or "John Q. Public" to cast a ballot.
Except that while the poll workers are overwhelmed, such as in Ohio, checking out the many fraudulent registrations submitted by ACORN, many phony voters are able to slip through the system. However, to point out the obvious fraud being perpetrated by ACORN on a large scale, according to the Times, is to make a "wild claim":
There's a case to be made for cracking down on errors and, yes, fraud in election procedures, and the FBI reportedly is conducting a preliminary investigation of whether ACORN, the Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now, encouraged its canvassers to falsify signatures. But wild claims like McCain's undermine reform efforts and make it harder to hold ACORN accountable for its real faults, including providing a financial incentive for canvassers to fake signatures.
Why would pointing out the obvious about ACORN make it harder to hold them accountable? The Times does not give an answer. However, the Times does point out the problem of swamping election agencies with phony registrations but if McCain points out the same problem he is committing a "malicious misrepresentation."
Swamping election agencies with obviously phony registrations distracts officials from the serious business of verifying other registrations, as contemplated by the Help America Vote Act approved by Congress in 2002. That law, which figured in a U.S. Supreme Court ruling last week, requires states to establish a "centralized, interactive, computerized statewide voter registration list" that "shall be coordinated with other agency databases within the state."
The Times concludes by making it appear that "voter suppression" is just as big of a problem as vote fraud:
The debate about election fraud is complicated by the fact that the political parties have different priorities. Democrats emphasize increasing the number of voters, particularly the poor and minorities, and too easily dismiss the possibility of fraud. Republicans claim to be concerned about widespread fraud, but aren't bothered if their alarms discourage Democratic-leaning blocs from voting. What's needed is a commitment by both parties to take both fraud and voter suppression seriously.
It's laughable to think that a voter with a valid registration would be intimidated by some big bad Republican suppressing his vote at the polling station. If his registration is valid, what would he have to fear? Meanwhile registrars around the country are being swamped with phony registrations submitted by ACORN. Oops! Did I just commit a "malicious misrepresentation" of that organization?
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.



















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"Just shut-up John. Let
October 20, 2008 - 11:43 ET by mattm"Just shut-up John. Let us steal the election."
They say it's to increase voter turnout, but you never see Acorn trying to register voters in any areas other than liberal-democrat areas.
McCain was right to say what he said...which is why the LAT (Liberal Airhead Times) wants him to shut up.
Treasonous Activity
October 20, 2008 - 11:51 ET by JIMMY1660allow me to love America
Fraudulent behavior in the voting process is Treasonous behavior.
Punishment-deportment to where ever.
There was an AP-Anti Palin,
October 20, 2008 - 11:50 ET by ricklailThere was an AP-Anti Palin, story that ran in our local paper yesterday saying about the same thing. If you read both theses it sounds like no laws have been broken for fraudulent registrations. It is only when someone tried to vote when it becomes fraud. Tell me why the FBI is looking into fraud in the registration process.
I couldn't find a link to it so I copied the article
ACORN controversy: Fraud or mudslinging?
By DEBORAH HASTINGS
AP National Writer
The stories are almost comical: Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, registered to vote on Nov. 4. The entire starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team, signed up to go the polls — in Nevada.
But no one in either presidential campaign is laughing. Not publicly, anyway.
Republicans, led by John McCain, are alleging widespread voter fraud. The Democrats and Barack Obama say the controversy is preposterous and is just political mudslinging.
In the middle is the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, a grass-roots community group that has led liberal causes since it formed in 1970. This year, ACORN hired more than 13,000 part-time workers and sent them out in 21 states to sign up voters in minority and poor neighborhoods.
They submitted 1.3 million registration cards to local election offi cials.
Along the way, bogus ones appeared — signed in the names of cartoon characters, professional football players and scores of others bearing the same handwriting. And in the past few days, those phony registrations have exploded into Republican condemnations of far-ranging misconduct, and a relatively obscure community activist group took a starring role, right behind Joe the Plumber, in the final presidential debate.
Looking beyond the smoke and fire, the raging argument boils down to essentially this:
Is ACORN, according to McCain, perpetuating voter fraud that could be “destroying the fabric of democracy”? Or are Republicans trying to keep the disadvantaged, who tend to be Democrats, from casting ballots in a hotly contested presidential race that has drawn record numbers of new voters?
By legal defi nition, to commit voter fraud means a person would have to present some kind of documentation at the polls — a driver’s license, a phone bill or another form of ID — that bears the name of Mickey Mouse, for example. To do so risks a fine and imprisonment under state laws.
Submitting fake registration cards is another matter. Local law enforcement agencies in about a dozen states are investigating fake registrations submitted by ACORN workers. Late last week, The Associated Press reported the FBI will be reviewing those cases.
Accusations of stolen votes have a long history in presidential elections. In the 2000 recount debacle, Republicans claimed illegal ballots were cast. Democrats contended that legal ballots were thrown out. In 2004, when Ohio gave the presidency to George W. Bush, Democrats charged that long lines and malfunctioning machines in that state led to an inaccurate count.
But in this contest, involving the fi rst African-American in American history with a real chance at becoming president, the vitriol is particularly pointed.
“This is all just one big head-fake,” said Tova Wang of the government watchdog group Common Cause. “What silliness this is, at this point. It’s all about creating this perception that there is a tremendous problem with voter fraud in this country, and it’s not true.”
On Friday, during a campaign appearance, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin repeated McCain’s recent claims that Obama has close ties to ACORN.
“You deserve to know,” Palin told thousands in a park north of Cincinnati. “This group needs to learn that you here in Ohio won’t let them turn the Buckeye State into the Acorn State.”
Obama helped represent ACORN in a successful 1995 suit against the state of Illinois, which forced enactment of the so-called motorvoter law, making it easier for people to register vote. Obama said this week that he had “nothing to do with” ACORN’s massive voter registration drive.
ACORN spokesman Brian Kettenring retaliated this week in a series of conference calls and interviews. “What we’re seeing is the manufacture of a crisis, and attempts to smear Sen. Obama with it. It gives you an excuse should you lose or if there’s a contested outcome of the election.”
Voter fraud is rare in the United States, according to a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Based on reviews of voter fraud claims at the federal and state level, the center’s report asserted most problems were caused by things like technological glitches, clerical errors or mistakes made by voters and by election offi cials.
“It is more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than he will impersonate another voter at the polls,” the report said.
Alex Keyssar, a professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, calls the current controversy “chapter 22 in a drama that’s been going on awhile. The pattern is that nothing much ever comes from this. There have been no known cases of people voting fraudulently.”
“What we’ve seen,” Keyssar said, “is sloppiness and someone’s idea of a stupid joke, like registering as Donald Duck.”
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Wasn't Florida decided by
October 20, 2008 - 11:51 ET by rbosqueWasn't Florida decided by less than 600 votes? So if Acorn is capable of cranking out hundreds of thousands of potential illegal votes, what's stopping them from winning an election that way? Nothing.
How is acorn (or any
October 20, 2008 - 12:16 ET by blingbling65How is acorn (or any group) capable of cranking out hundreds of thousands of potential illegal votes?
The ability to coordinate 100,000 to 200,000 people in just one state, get them all to vote and then give them all fake id's that co-inside with the fraudulent voter registration cards so they can vote again is absurd. And hope that no one says anything to anyone otherwise everyone goes to jail.
Absurd
Bling you ever fire a
October 20, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Dan The Man 2Bling you ever fire a shotgun? Well the idea is the shot will spread and provide a pattern to hopefully cause enough damage to kill the object. It is more effective than shooting a sinlge bullet because you are almost assured of hitting your target even if yor aim is off.
Waht we are seeing with this effort is the shotgun effect. It is most assuredly a concerted effort by this nationwide organization to skew the results. They only have to get a small percentage change in to change the state from red to blue.
I realize you are blind to this and are an Obamabot but dont com here and spout teh party line to us.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
I just don't see how what
October 20, 2008 - 13:17 ET by blingbling65I just don't see how what acorn is doing will move the needle enough to steal an electon, as oppose to this: link
I just don't see how what
October 20, 2008 - 17:00 ET by Dan The Man 2I just don't see how what acorn is doing will move the needle enough to steal an election – Which is why you have poor vision. It’s in the complicity of the media and Democrats in charge. Its 105% of the people are registered to vote in one county in Ohio. I imagine just 60% register to vote and less than that actually vote. The complicity of the media has obscured or spun Obama’s record and past till the people can’t see straight. The Ohio Secretary of State won’t comply with a federal order to check the voter rolls. So everyone can vote without ID’s. At least one obvious case has been uncovered and I am sure there are many more.
It only takes a few here and there to sway an election. I believe I am pissing in the wind when I explain this to you but I have. So if you really don’t understand then you may be ignorant for life.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Then you must be blind, bling
October 20, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Indiana JoeYou claim that false registrations for Republicans can "move the needle enough to steal an electon" in one state, but "don't see how" a national election can be swayed by "what acorn is doing?"
Well, then, it's plain that you feel that election tampering is fine if Democrats do it, but not if Republicans do it. And, thanks, that article is a great answer to people who claim that ACORN "didn't break any laws," or "didn't commit any crimes," or "can't affect the election" because it's impossible to coordinate these people into having fake ID's or voting the way they're supposed to.
Oops! Was that your foot you just shot yourself in? ;^)
"I do not... believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason and intellect has intended us to forego their use." G. Galilei
Did you just claim
October 20, 2008 - 12:53 ET by mulerider24Did you just claim identification would be needed to vote? Obviously I don't know you from Adam but your uber-right racist remarks will not disenfranchise my vote. /sarc
It's not their intention...
October 20, 2008 - 15:11 ET by Copperhead Ridge...to steal the election. The drive is to destroy the process. The left can then bloviate about how it is broken and push for reforms. The idea is to give the federal government control of all elections; therefore eliminating the balance between federal level leaders being elected in state run elections.
If they can sway an election to their candidate, then that is positive fallout along the way.
Before you hurl the word "absurd" around, I have seen their work first hand. I have talked to representatives from some of these leftist organizatioins who, in moments of pure candor, openly expressed their ultimate intent.
I've posted on here before about what the second step is. They will flood polling places in swing states with people demanding provisional ballots. Provisional ballots are a result of the "reforms" made after the 2000 election. They are nightmares for poll workers and wide open for corruption because one person can vote provisional ballots in several different precincts. There's very little investigative follow-up because they often don't have to show identification.
However, skewing an election is not as absurd as you think. Anytime there is paper, provisional, or absentee ballots involved there is potential for large scale fraud.
Groups like ACORN and Black Box have pushed and bullied state election officials into returning to paper ballots. The first step to election fraud is to flood the voter rolls with fake registrations. It's an old game, Bling.
It's not so much in getting 100,000 people to the polls as it is getting 100,000 votes in the ballot box or optical scan machine. Think, man! I can't wait to see how many people in Ohio and Pennsylvania vote in alphabetical order late in the day. The key will be to get some judge to force polls to stay open late.
So Acorn is registering
October 21, 2008 - 10:11 ET by rbosqueSo Acorn is registering thousands of fictitious names for what other reason?
Media having it both ways on ACORN/voter reform
October 20, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Gary HallOn having their cake and eating it too.
My first response to the ACORN wash by the LA Times editorial board is, "Gee folks - this is voter registration fraud. ACORN is not new to this. It is illegal. It does corrupt and taint the entire process." That is what your editorial should be about; not about McCain.
My second thought was that there was a rather significant reform mechanism suggested - and by someone you usually side with [Jimmy Carter] which, had our entire national MSM not disagreed with and kept out of the discussion these past few years, would have served to prevent voter fraud. You wanted an Election reform commission. You got it. You didn't like it - didn't fit your agenda, eh?
Since the Commission concluded, it's reccomendations have been missing in most every article or debate on the various state voter ID legislation issues, and resulting court challenges, and how to address voter fraud (besides serious immigration reform), etc., is the solution. PBS's Bill Moyers, recently, hosted yet another look at the Voter ID cases, which spewed spin at voter ID law cases - with no mention of Carter's view:
In 2005, Jimmy Carter and James Baker co-chaired a bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform. Their reccomendations?
I bet ACORN didn't like the sound of that. Neither does our left wing MSM. That's why they don't bring it up - that would make folks stand up and demand it.
Another joint observation from Carter/Baker earlier this year:
And from the WSJ's John Fund in April of this year:
might be a good Poli/Sci experiment
October 20, 2008 - 12:08 ET by theduck6Since you don't have to produce any ID to vote in the Peoples Socialist State of Maryland. If you came in and swore you were Mickey Mouse and knew the correct address on the registration, I'll bet you those libs would usher you to the front of the line. I know, they bristle when I show them my ID every time.
Enough
October 20, 2008 - 12:22 ET by cvgbuckeyeWell that's about enough. I think its time to round up old Jimmah Cahtah and send him in to monitor this election like he has done in other communist banana republics because thats what the libs have turned us in to.
There's blame enough to spread around
October 20, 2008 - 12:35 ET by Smoking HotI don't like bogus voter registrations gumming up the public works. It's a waste of money, and for good reason it is illegal for a person to knowingly falsify a voter registration form. ACORN in its zest to increase the Democratic voting block is causing a lot of headaches, but I highly doubt they're planning some kind of massive fradulent run on the polls. IMHO it's a case of negligence, not malice.
On the other hand voter suppression is real. We've seen it happen in Florida in 2000.
It's too bad the two major political parties can't play nice. A healthy democracy ought not put barriers between qualified, interested voters and the poll.
Smoking Pot
October 20, 2008 - 12:46 ET by Sergeant ROCKYou then would be naive. It's not like ACORN just all of a sudden exploded onto the scene of voter fraud. They have a lengthy history of being involved in fraud for years now.
Feel free to demonstrate where a rabid rightwing 'community' organization that received $31 million from taxpayers since 1998 that registered almost exclusively Republicans under the guise of being 'non-partisan' and having been involved in fraud at such an extradordinary level.
PALIN/McCain 2008
What would the Republican ACORN look like?
October 20, 2008 - 14:26 ET by Smoking HotWhere would they be active? Where are the pockets of would-be Republicans who only need an organization like ACORN to provide them a voter registration form, remind them of the registration deadline, and give them a ride to the polls on election day?
Do those questions sound slightly absurd to you? They do to me. My suspicion is that there is negligible need for a Republican ACORN.
There was widespread voter
October 20, 2008 - 12:49 ET by Dan The Man 2There was widespread voter suppression in FL in 2000 and other states as well. Seems the Dims tried to suppress the military vote bigtime. And intimidate the Sec of State in FL, even trying to change the rules in midstream.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
voter supression
October 20, 2008 - 13:47 ET by cassratYour linked source is very biased so I read it with a huge grain of salt.
I was in florida in 2000 and the only voter supression I saw was twofold. The democrats tried to have a large number of absentee ballots from soldiers overseas thrown out ( while trying to count dimpled chads) and the media supressed the votes of thousands of voters by calling the election for Gore before the polls closed (I was one of those panhandle voters but I voted even after I heard the news.
VOTING IS NOT A RIGHT. IT IS A RESPONSIBILITY AND A PRIVILEGE!!!
Washington state
October 20, 2008 - 15:30 ET by MichelleCFour years ago here in Washington, there was massive voter suppression in the governor's race. Thousands of overseas military ballots were either sent too late or not counted when they were mailed back to the state.
If people don't think this is a big deal, the governor's race was decided by less than 150 votes. The democrat candidate, Gregoire, won after three counts of the ballots. Voter suppression/fraud are big deals.
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Is the MSM vetting the candidates?
October 20, 2008 - 12:44 ET by AtTheWaterCoolerI have added this post to
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Massive voter registration fraud
October 20, 2008 - 14:54 ET by NorthCoasterMassive voter registration fraud has been perpetrated by ACORN. This alone should be investigated at the FBI for RICO violations because it appears that there is an uncanny pattern across the US of registration irregularities. IF fake voters voting, or multiple voting occurs based on the registrations acquired by ACORN occurs, they should be investigated for promoting vote fraud.
ACORN's roots
October 20, 2008 - 19:12 ET by MinutemenWade Rathke started ACORN 35 years ago and he still runs it. Wade and Bill Ayers were comrades together in the communist SDS/Weather Underground which never went away but adopted the Gramsci-Alinsky neo-communist model of bottom-up infiltration and subversion. They are experts at deflection and diversion, like Obama.