Imagine the reaction from the mainstream media if some conservative group, no matter how fringe, had called for the trial of Barack Obama on unproven charges. Does anybody doubt that they would focus on such a story in a very big way? Well, something like this has happened except it is the dean of the unaccredited Massachusetts Law School at Andover, Lawrence Velvel, who has called for a conference this September to plan war crimes trials against members of the Bush administration. Of course, the MSM is ignoring this story because it would hurt the Obama campaign. Here is what the ABA Journal has reported about this proposed conference (emphasis mine):
The dean of Massachusetts School of Law at Andover is planning a September conference to map out war crimes prosecutions, and the targets are President Bush and other administration officials.
The dean, Lawrence Velvel, says in a statement that “plans will be laid and necessary organizational structures set up, to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and, if need be, to the ends of the Earth."
Other possible defendants, he said, include federal judges and John Yoo, the former Justice Department official who wrote one of the so-called torture memos.
“We must insist on appropriate punishments,” he continued, “including, if guilt is found, the hangings visited upon top German and Japanese war criminals in the 1940s."
Velvel elaborates in an introduction to a series of articles published in The Long Term View (PDF). He writes “there is no question” that Bush and other officials are guilty of the federal crime of conspiracy to commit torture.
So Velvel, who is best known for making himself a laughingstock in early 2006 for claiming that Samuel Alito was not qualified to be a Supreme Court justice because he was too intellectual, not only is planning a war crimes trial conference but is already proclaiming guilt on Bush and other officials. Although the MSM is tossing Velvel and his absurd war crimes conference down the memory hole, the leftwing blogosphere is abuzz with excitement over the prospect of putting Bush and other officials on trial at a kangaroo court. Here are just a few of the sanity-challenged rantings at the Democratic Underground in which the DUers fantasize over what types of punishments should be doled out:
There's something awfully compelling about the thought of The Commander Guy with a five-day growth of gray-white beard, sloppy drunk on muscatel, another pretzel gash across his cheek but, ooops, he hasn't seen a pretzel in months. Staggering into the homeless shelter and getting his ass kicked right back out as soon as he's recognized...
And Cheney with nobody to polish his scalp, $400 shoes with big holes in the thin leather soles, newspaper stuffed inside in a failed effort to keep out the rain and the cold, and now when he shoots somebody in the face while hunting, nobody's laughing. Instead, he gets busted just like all the rest of us would and the arresting cop decides to tase him just because he deserves it. Ooops, that fancy defibrillator isn't built to handle that kind of jolt. Ah well, it had to happen sooner or later...
I've never before considered that there are things worse for them and more personally satisfying for me than the scaffold or life without parole at Abu Ghraib or Gitmo. With maybe a little dose of their own approved "enhanced interrogation" methods thrown in just for justice' sake. Not that I'd reject either of those outcomes, but I really wouldn't mind seeing them deposited in a modern urban hell-scape that looks like a set from "Escape from New York." Except Snake won't be helping anybody out this time.
In case you think such psychotic rantings are limited to the Democratic Underground which has a well deserved reputation for being quite a bit less than rational, you would be wrong. The Daily Kos, where many prominent liberals post, is every bit as crazed over this subject as the DUers as evidenced by their moonbat screechings;
Seeing him dangling from a rope is just too much to hope for.
I like the part about Hanging them. Warms my heart to see this... to imagine Bush dangling and twisting in the wind. Realistically, speaking though, Bush WOULD be sentenced to death for treason and war crimes and the sentence be communted to life w/o parole.Rot in prison.
I am opposed to capital punishment. However, in this case I would think that those in opposition might find it more acceptable if some more human features could be introduced: After the gallows, dragging of bodies through streets behind horses, Hummers or other outmoded forms of transport, with cobblestoned streets lined with cheering, expectorating spectators hurling rocks, rotted tomatoes and epithets--bringing in a more human element, allowing greater personal participation by the citizenry rather than merely cold execution by distant officials.
I think that Obama is playing this just right. He is leaving the door open to investigate after he is elected.
It turns out that there is a some truth in the latter Kossack statement. Last April, in an interview with Will Bunch of the Philadelphia Daily News, Obama stated:
What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.
So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.
Despite the fact that the proposed war crimes trials is a hot topic in the leftwing blogosphere and the fact that Obama has left the door open for prosecution of Bush administration officials, the MSM continues to ignore this topic. Perhaps they realize that it would be premature to publicize it until after the election.
For those of you wishing to read a more complete catalogue of enthusiastic leftwing rantings on the subject of a Bush war crimes trial, check out the DUmmie FUnnies here and here.
—P.J. Gladnick is a freelance writer and creator of the DUmmie FUnnies blog.














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Platform?
June 18, 2008 - 15:40 ET by okiehawk44I started to dismiss these obviously crazy rantings but then I realized that I believe I recognized reading these somewhere recently.
Then it came to me that this is one of the planks in the Democratic Party Platform being prepared for their national convention in Denver.
It Has Obama's Support
June 18, 2008 - 16:03 ET by allanfBarack (can't use his middle name) Obama gave his support to investigating the President for war crimes.
Of course he thinks Gitmo detainees should be tried in US District Court and five justices of the Supreme Court seem to agree.
20 years in the hole
June 18, 2008 - 17:07 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsThere's another President who has already been convicted of war crimes and sentenced to 20 years in prison. Funny how you don't hear about this.
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I think they just put out
June 18, 2008 - 21:50 ET by SchnikeysI think they just put out the warrant. But your point is taken.
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Imagine the reaction from
June 18, 2008 - 15:41 ET by BruzillaImagine the reaction from the mainstream media if some conservative group, no matter how fringe, had called for the trial of Barack Obama on unproven charges. Who needs to imagine it... it already happened with the Rev. Wright coverage. The charge was that Obama had been sitting in the church listening to racist sermons for 20 years, but there was never any proof of that.
Despite the fact that every sermon Wright gave was videotaped and made available for sale to the public, no one was able to come up with so much as one tiny snippet, outside the two 2007 rants and the post 9/11 rant, where Wright said anything objectionable. Putting aside the past 20 years, there's no video for just the period between 2001 and 2007! There is a total absence of any evidence that Obama sat in that church and listened to racist rants for 20 years, and yet that charge was made again and again and again in the media by pundits and politicians. It's sad to say, but the looney Right is getting just as bad as the loony Left.
No comparison whatsoever
June 18, 2008 - 17:07 ET by SickofLibsNo one ever called for Obama to be HANGED over Wright, as Dean Velveeta has done with Bush & Cheney.
Hanged not in the allegorical sense, but hanged as in strung-up, swinging from the end of a rope. The Dean's own words.
Dean Velveeta NOT big cheese in college law
June 18, 2008 - 15:49 ET by SickofLibsI believe the full correct name is Massachusetts School of Law and Diesel Mechanics.
Dean Velveeta is going to pursue Bush and Cheney 'to the ends of the earth'... pump up your bike tires, first, Dean!
Here is a clear advantage
June 18, 2008 - 16:01 ET by Free ThinkerHere is a clear advantage that the msm gives Obama. There is no way they will give the time of day to these freaks of the loony left because Obama will be associated and every rational voter will dump him in a heart beat. Its going to be tough enough for him to get by with the rest of his dubious associates, his radical, ill conceived policies, and having to speak without a teleprompter. I can't believe McCain is the best the republican party could come up with to receive this gift of an opponent that Obama is quickly becoming.
I can't help but think of
June 18, 2008 - 16:08 ET by BruzillaI can't help but think of how common it was to hear Democrats talking about Bush the same way that you are talking about Obama. I also can't help but think of how common it was to hear Hillary supporters talking about Obama the same way.
It seems the big common mistake is to assume that everyone views someone the way that you do... they don't. Dems thought that Bush was just a bumbling fool with no chance of winning... twice. The Clintons knew that Obama was an inexperienced nobody... oops. The worst thing Republicans can do is thinking they know exactly who "rational voters" are or what they will or won't do.
Hussein
June 18, 2008 - 16:16 ET by Scrapiron"Inadequate Black Man, Whose Only Qualification is a Speech He Gave in 2004", Hillary Clinton.
Didn't Hussein brag he had been actively involved in the church for almost 20 years? Did he attend another church? When democrats lie and other democrats lie to protect them things get confused.
Old, Retired and glad of it.
High officials
June 18, 2008 - 16:27 ET by Eileen Right"Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws,
Do Dodd and Conrad count as high officials?
Just imagine what would
June 18, 2008 - 16:40 ET by bigtimerJust imagine what would happen to the enemies within like these filthy examples years ago...
I am.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
Bruzilla the troll
June 18, 2008 - 16:46 ET by NH DadBruzilla says,"There is a total absence of any evidence that Obama sat in that church and listened to racist rants for 20 years, and yet that charge was made again and again and again in the media by pundits and politicians. It's sad to say, but the looney Right is getting just as bad as the loony Left."
In fact it was Obama who said he went to Church at Trinity for twenty years and even wrote about it in his book(s). As a memeber of the Church he has also signed a pledge of Black Liberation Theology.
If John McCain had signed a pledge to white liberation theology, which there's no such a thing, how would you view supports of John McCain? You would view them the same way I view supports of Barack Hussein Obama; as mindless sheep.
Obama is guilty as charged.
Though I do not agree
June 18, 2008 - 17:06 ET by Roger the ShrubberThough I do not agree completely with his statement about Wright, Bruzilla is correct about this: there definitely are loons on the Right as well as on the Left.
DTM2 gives out loon
June 18, 2008 - 17:16 ET by Dan The Man 2DTM2 gives out loon call.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Dan, you need to fine-tune
June 18, 2008 - 17:40 ET by Roger the ShrubberDan, you need to fine-tune your call...
Dan, hurry up on the
June 18, 2008 - 17:42 ET by Roger the ShrubberDan, hurry up on the fine-tuning. It seems you have attracted a crapload of lefttard moonbats here on this thread.
When it was revealed that
June 18, 2008 - 17:02 ET by Roger the ShrubberWhen it was revealed that Lawrence Velvel was a college roommate of Barack Obama for four years, the Obama campaign released the following statement:
That was not the Lawrence Velvel I knew for the past 20 years.
LOL..priceless
June 18, 2008 - 17:10 ET by bigtimerLOL..priceless Rog.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
The guys at my YMCA and
June 18, 2008 - 17:29 ET by Biff McCainThe guys at my YMCA and redneck corner bar say worse about Bush and Cheney.
"Burn that mother down." -- Jimmy Ellis
Still hanging out at the
June 18, 2008 - 17:33 ET by Roger the ShrubberStill hanging out at the Y? That's not creepy or anything.
Did I say Y? My bad! I
June 18, 2008 - 18:17 ET by Biff McCainDid I say Y? My bad! I meant to say the Exxon fitness center.
Got something against fitness?
"Burn that mother down." -- Jimmy Ellis
C'mon Biff, we know what
June 19, 2008 - 11:21 ET by BDC'mon Biff, we know what you meant....
"Its fun to stay at the Y--M--C--A..."
lol BD -
June 19, 2008 - 11:25 ET by Dee BunkBiff the Village idiot
Only if that Exxon Fitness
June 19, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Roger the ShrubberOnly if that Exxon Fitness Center is in a Philly suburb. Is it?
Biffy.... So... why don't
June 18, 2008 - 17:34 ET by bigtimerBiffy.... So... why don't you find a more intelligent group of people to hang around with?
You come here enough...you must want to learn a lot more than what your drinking buddies have to say.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
"Biffy.... So... why don't
June 18, 2008 - 19:13 ET by ckc1227"Biffy.... So... why don't you find a more intelligent group of people to hang around with?"
Because they look up to him because he's the smart one in the group, which is kinda like someone being the tallest midget.
Redneck bar? Are you sure
June 19, 2008 - 11:28 ET by bassndudeRedneck bar? Are you sure it is a redneck bar and not one of the purple neck places?
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Who's Looney Now?
June 18, 2008 - 17:32 ET by Agrarian-DecentralistA couple of observations on Mr. Gladnick's piece:
1.) The prospective conference is aimed at investigating the possibility of war crimes on the part of this administration. Given the abundant evidence already on the public record suggesting serious misdeeds by this crowd, an informal investigation in a conference setting is FAR more reasonable than an actual impeachment proceeding against a president for lying about his personal sexual behavior with a consenting adult.
2.) The "rantings" pulled from websites on the left and quoted above are no more extreme than comments I've seen at NewsBusters---such as the the one from an individual who still welcomed the thought of execution for a Gitmo prisoner who had finally been declared INNOCENT after years of detention!
Another hit and run post
June 18, 2008 - 17:36 ET by bigtimerAnother hit and run post from our lovely troll AD.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson
A-D... Good thing we know
June 18, 2008 - 18:09 ET by Clear thinkerA-D...
Good thing we know you. Now whenever you post something and your name pops-up we know to skip and go to someone that has enogh guts to stick around and defend their posistions.
Yes, I just called you a coward.
"Abstain from McCain"
Who's looney now?!
June 18, 2008 - 18:10 ET by contraryA couple of observations on Mr. Abgrab-Decenters' piece:
1.) The previous comment is aimed at making ego-stroking opinions, inline with the goofy comments of the websites chronicled by PJ Gladnick. Given the abundant evidence already on the public record suggesting serious misdeeds by this crowd, showing their statements as the bigoted and hate-filled rants is FAR less innocuous than actively supporting methods to kill a sitting POTUS or vice president.
2.) The rantings from the above poster are just as pointless as comments I've seen at NewsBusters from other like-minded "debaters" -- such as the the one from an individual who thinks granting Constitutional rights to group of suspected terrorists caught abroad by our military is a blessing!
"Republicans always get a huge pass on the racist issue. Huck is just another example. Provided they don't start up with the N word, they seem able to pander directly to the racist vote."
-- Chuck Davis, intellectual heavyweight, bigot
which flavor of Marxist are you?
June 18, 2008 - 18:19 ET by wizardjrYour screen name "Agrarian-Decentralist" implies that you subscribe to the concept of taking large efficient corporate farms and busting them up into little 2 or 3 acre hobby farms. Can you show me one country that did that and wound up with better, more efficient, more productive agriculture? I've seen this idiocy time and time again over the last 45 years and it always results in two things:
1. the country's agriculture collapses
2. the small free holders wind up selling and/or giving back the land to the original holders
Pick almost any country in South America, Iran, the Philippines, etc. Its deja vu all over again.
Over on another board,, we
June 18, 2008 - 18:02 ET by LonevoiceOver on another board,, we call those kinds of posts by AG "seagulling". You know, they fly in, crap all over and then fly away and disappear...
If it ain't a baby, you ain't pregnant....
a harpy
June 18, 2008 - 18:21 ET by wizardjrOver on Michelle's site these swoop-and-poop types are often called harpies for their unfortunate habit of messing up a good 'meal' of discussion.
Actually, I kinda had
June 18, 2008 - 20:49 ET by RukusActually, I kinda had "Prairie Dogging" coming to mind, like when ya gotta go but there's no restroom in sight!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
“plans will be laid and
June 18, 2008 - 21:47 ET by Rukus“plans will be laid and necessary organizational structures set up,
to pursue the guilty as long as necessary and, if need be, to the ends
of the Earth."
Of course this means he will go round, and round, and round, and round, ugh, I'm getting sick.
Leaves a nice out for him doesn't it? "I couldn't find the 'end' so I finally crawled back into my navel so I could think of some other totally inane plan"
Crawl back up your rear and stay there Velveeta!
"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"
Not sure I follow, P.J.
June 19, 2008 - 08:13 ET by BlindSightDid you WANT the MSM to give attention to Velvel, so you could then criticize them for THAT?
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