The winners of the 2008 Pulitzer Prize are scheduled to be announced tomorrow and I sure hope at least one blogger wins this coveted recognition. One big reason is that it is the blogosphere, in stark contrast to the mainstream media, that is paying attention to the biggest political story out there---how Rush Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" has caused disarray among the Democrats. Operation Chaos, Limbaugh's plan for causing continued havoc in the Democrat party by encouraging Republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton has received scant notice in the MSM although the effects are quite noticeable. Every time I see the MSM report on the startling rise of Democrat voter registration in Pennsylvania due to Republicans switching parties, I want to scream out ala Sam Kinison: "Say it! SAAAY ITTT!!!"
Unfortunately, the MSM rarely does "Say It!" You can look long and hard for any MSM mention of Operation Chaos in Google News despite the tremendous impact it has had on the current political landscape. Despite the extreme reluctance of the MSM to ever let the forbidden words, "Operation Chaos," pass its lips, it is being discussed quite a bit in the blogosphere. It is expected that conservative blogs would talk about Operation Chaos but liberal and far left blogs are chattering about this as well. One example of the latter is the Rude Pundit who angrily acknowledges the effectiveness of Operation Chaos as you can see in the very title of his blog post "Why Rush Limbaugh Ought to Be Force-Fed His Own Liposuctioned Fat."
...Then, of course, there's Rush Limbaugh, who is attempting to use his legions of epically retarded listeners to infiltrate the Democratic primary process and try to sow dissent in order to keep the virulence between Clinton and Obama going. He calls it "Operation Chaos," and it's something that would do the old COINTELPRO operatives proud.
...It is a testimony to the desperation and animal-like stupidity of Limbaugh's listeners that they are honestly attempting to do this. It would be a testimony to the left's delusional view of the positive side of human nature to think it probably won't have an impact.
Despite the Rude Pundit's leftwing politics, at least he acknowledges the impact that Operation Chaos is having on the political process. Over at the Daily Kos, the effectiveness of Operation Chaos which the MSM dares not mention has even caused them to accuse each other of being Republican fifth columnists as you can see in this paranoid titled post, "Has Operation Chaos Infected DailyKos? MUST READ! Beware the 'Pretendocrats.'"
...First of all, there is no concrete evidence that the Republican party is officially behind this, or Rush Limbaugh, but circumstantial evidence has led me to believe that they are doing something behind the scenes to sew seeds of discontent within the Democratic Party.
...If you follow the link above and the links in the diary, and watch the video, you may come to the conclusion as I did that Operation Chaos is a full blown online movement amongst Republican Bloggers. Republicans have been posting diaries on Democratic Websites acting as democrats that are meant to fan flames and sew seeds of discontent within the Democratic party. Because of the free and open nature of our blog sites, these people encourage democrats to openly fight with each other whenever they can.
And finally, the liberal No More Mister Nice Blog expresses aloud his gnawing fear of the effectiveness of Operation Chaos:
...I'm not saying that all of this is Limbaugh's doing. But I'm struck by the fact that, according to the Inquirer, twice as many people switched to the Democrats between March 10 and 17 than registered Democrat for the first time. I'm also struck by the fact that the age group with the most activity is aged 45-54. I suppose that could be Hillary's crowd -- but I fear it's Rush's.
Meanwhile we still await the MSM to recognize political reality and mention the political operation that dare not speak its name. Go ahead, MSM, and say it. Say it! SAAAY ITTTT!!!
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The first rule
April 6, 2008 - 12:02 ET by BlazerThe first rule of Project Mayhem errrr,...... I mean Operation Chaos is, you do not talk about Operation Chaos.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
OK, that was good.
April 6, 2008 - 15:53 ET by PeskyDaneOK, that was good.
Let's Have Poll
April 6, 2008 - 12:14 ET by JoelCTI think Operation Chaos has gotten more credit than it deserves. I think the Dems have slashed their own wrists by making identity politics their plan of action. Now that they have two identity groups going against each other (blacks and women), the chaos was inevitable.
When I went to vote, I was going to vote for Hillary to make sure she won Texas.
Once I got there, I couldn't let them stamp "Democrat" on my voter card. I just couldn't. I voted Republican.
I have talked with many people who had the same experience. You don't have to sign anything or swear an oath in Texas, you just pick which line from which to get your ballot, and they stamp your card Democrat or Republican.
I think we should have an NB Poll of our posters and bloggers, and find out how many of us were actually able to vote against the grain. I'll bet it is very few of us.
My experience has been just
April 6, 2008 - 13:09 ET by Ryan Mc.My experience has been just the opposite here in Ohio. Hillary won by far more than the pollsters expected. I heard from literally dozens of people who voted for Hillary who are proud Republicans. (Some not so proud of McCain being our nominee) For me it was about giving the dems a taste of their own medicin. They picked McCain for me so I was going to cause them a bit of chaos in return.
Remember Rush has 20 million listeners and they have family. If even a small fraction participate in Chaos, it will have legs. Take Ralph Nader. In 2000 his 2% moved an election.
Nobody stamped anything in
April 6, 2008 - 14:01 ET by ConservativeRexNobody stamped anything in Texas. You go to the table you want to get a ballot from, you show your TDL, and once verified, you sign the line next to your name in the voter registration book.
There is nothing to stamp and nobody to stamp it. You fill out your ballot, and put it in the vote tabulation machine.
if you are a registered
April 6, 2008 - 15:09 ET by crsheddif you are a registered independent in new hampshire you can vote in either primary. what most independents do is, on election day, ask for a democratic or republican ballot. after you vote, you can stop by the registrars desk and change back to independent.
if you are registered as a democrat or republican, you cannot change on election day.
operation chaos was not in effect when we voted in new hampshire. clinton won the state after crying at a campaign event.
clinton won the state after
April 6, 2008 - 15:16 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsclinton won the state after crying at a campaign event.
And bringing in 2500 busloads of out of state voters.
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out of state voters? new one
April 6, 2008 - 15:29 ET by crsheddout of state voters? new one on me. maybe used as volunteers. mitt romney did the same thing (easier for him being from massachucetts).
Bravo, Rush
April 6, 2008 - 12:17 ET by zhombreHe can hype Operation Chaos and take credit for it, but in my mind it is something of a put-on, albeit a brilliant one. Chaos is inherent in the structure of the Democrat coalition and their identity-based, piously liberal politics. They planted their own minefield, and if some one like Rush comes along, sizes up the situation, and lobs grapefruits in that minefield, it doesn't take much of an arm.
Leftwing Bloggers Crediting Operation Chaos
April 6, 2008 - 12:26 ET by P.J. GladnickA lot of leftwing bloggers are crediting Operation Chaos for causing havoc among the Democrats.
Fog of war . . .
April 6, 2008 - 13:11 ET by GalvanicI totally agree with zhombre. What we're witnessing in the Dems' primary process was inevitable. What has made it so critical at this juncture is that it comes when a over-confident female candidate from the party's elite has been thwarted by an inexperienced but charismatic black newcomer, and regardless of which course the DP takes now to determine its nominee, it'll severely wound its chances.
For this reason, I'm skeptical that Limbaugh's call to listeners has had any significant impact at all at the polls.
But to the degree that lefty bloggers elect to credit him with the aggrevating the rift in the DP, rather than acknowledging that the conflict is self-inflicted and inevitable, I think we can credit Limbaugh with contributing to the political fog of war. In other words, as long as they blame their woes on Limbaugh, they will never address the actual roots of their self-inflicted dilemma, and thus jeopardize their '08 election chances.
OPERATION CHAOS, T-SHIRTS!!
April 6, 2008 - 19:37 ET by STANISZCHARLIE LEAVE IT UP TO THIS GUY TO CAPITILIZE ON ANYTHING THAT WOULD KEEP HIM IN MOOLAH. The real reason for the upswing in the vote is the saint OBAMA. the reAL UNSOLICITED PUBLIC DON,T WANT TO TAKE A CHANCE WITH THIS GUY MAKING IT TO NOVEMBER AND THE GOLFER KNOWS IT AND CAN,T SAY THE TRUTH. With mcain its not to bad if he loses to madam hill. And it will be fun if she does win to see how long he will be on the marconi when she brings back the fairness doctrine.
i find the idea of
April 6, 2008 - 12:28 ET by crsheddi find the idea of subverting the will of the voter's of either political party to be anti-democratic. it doesn't matter if the left or the right is doing it. if my candidate can only win thru 'dirty tricks', then my candidate isn't all that.
my vote is sacred. i use it to vote for the person who i feel will do the best job for america. sometimes that person may be liberal, sometimes they may be conservative.
my concern is america's future, not which party is in power because neither party is always right.
so, if operation chaos works as the right hopes, and mccain wins (we all know every single conservative on this sight who said they will NEVER vote for mccain, will do so) then that shows mccain is not a good candidate. his ideas can't carry the nation, so he must stoop to tricks to win.
Let's not forget though
April 6, 2008 - 12:36 ET by BlazerLet's not forget though "Operation Chaos" is in no small part a response due to Markos "screw them" Moulitsas advocating doing the exact same thing during the Republican primaries, so if he gave Rush the idea, then I say thier recieving thier "just dessert's". Turnabout is fairplay and what our conservatives need to do now more than ever is fight thier butt's off, dirty trick's and all.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
when my boys were in 3rd
April 6, 2008 - 14:50 ET by crsheddwhen my boys were in 3rd grade, i didn't accept 'they did it first' as a defense for anything.
i find it repellent that adults use the same defense and think it is okay.
i think what BOTH candidates (for the general) is convince me that their ideas are the best ones. i don't vote based on anybody's dirty tricks. if a candidate has to use dirty tricks to win means they don't have the ideas that work.
if a candidate has to use
April 6, 2008 - 14:57 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsif a candidate has to use dirty tricks to win means they don't have the ideas that work.
Which candidate is using dirty tricks?
Besides the democrat ones, I mean.
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i probably should have said
April 6, 2008 - 15:11 ET by crsheddi probably should have said political party, not candidate. and, yes i know, both parties do this. does not make it right.
Well, I myself cr, have
April 6, 2008 - 16:01 ET by Blazer"when my boys were in 3rd grade, i didn't accept 'they did it first' as a defense for anything."
Well, I myself cr, have found in the past that when punched in the face, I usually return the favor.......... 10 fold.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
you win. dirty political
April 6, 2008 - 16:03 ET by crsheddyou win. dirty political tricks are on equal par with assault and battery.
Liberal wussies
April 6, 2008 - 16:06 ET by Blondesuch a typical response.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
sorry blonde, but bringing
April 6, 2008 - 16:14 ET by crsheddsorry blonde, but bringing something totally unrelated is an easy way to deflect the conversation. i decided not to play his game so i just agreed with him.
kinda like i am doing with you now.
well done lad
April 6, 2008 - 16:17 ET by botgi agree!!! we vote you wuss of the day
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
Sorry, crshedd
April 6, 2008 - 16:18 ET by BlondeI don't care.
What you have to say.
Real men, and women, don't put up with bullying of any sort. We fight back.
So, too bad for you and yours.
Or you can just sit there and get boxed around the ears...makes absolutely no difference to me.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Ummmm, no, not exactly cr,
April 6, 2008 - 16:14 ET by BlazerUmmmm, no, not exactly cr, that was what we call in the queen's English an analogy. With that said, politic's is war a battle of ideaologies and "war is hell".
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
You have to make a choice
April 6, 2008 - 12:46 ET by JoelCTMcCain will not "stoop to tricks" to win. Everyone knows that Limbaugh and McCain are not in bed together. I'm not sure why you are trying to link McCain to Operation Chaos.
Sometimes, you have to make a choice.
I didn't like Bob Dole that much in '96, but I voted for him, because I didn't want Clinton to win again.
This year, our choice is simple. Both Justices Ginsburg (born 1933) and Souter (born 1939) will be replaced by the next President, in my opinion. Do you want:
1) Hillary Diane Clinton,
2) Barack Hussein Obama Jr, or
3) John Sidney McCain
to pick their replacements?
If your "concern is America's future", this choice should be your number one concern. (By the way, "America" is always capitalized.)
just a guess, i think you
April 6, 2008 - 14:51 ET by crsheddjust a guess, i think you probably thought dole had better (not what you wanted, but better) ideas than clinton.
so, if operation chaos
April 6, 2008 - 13:06 ET by Newsbusterbrownso, if operation chaos works as the right hopes, and mccain wins (we all know every single conservative on this sight who said they will NEVER vote for mccain, will do so) then that shows mccain is not a good candidate. his ideas can't carry the nation, so he must stoop to tricks to win.
1) If your side hadn't mess around with our candidates to begin with, McCain wouldn't be the Republican standard bearer in the first place.
2) I have consistenty stated that, even though McCain is the worst GOP nominee of my lifetime, I woulld still vote for him over Obama or Clinton.
i find the idea of subverting the will of the voter's of either political party to be anti-democratic. it doesn't matter if the left or the right is doing it.
Yes, it does matter. Your side started it. Now we're going to finish it. Maybe next time the Democrats will think twice about "subverting the will of the voter's" on the Republican side. I doubt it, though.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
i don't have a side yet. i
April 6, 2008 - 14:56 ET by crsheddi don't have a side yet. i am waiting to see who the democratic nominee is then i will compare his/her ideas with what mccain says. only then i will make a decision.
the reason i wait till the general is that we all know candidates from both parties move to the extreme to get the nomination then move toward the middle to win the general.
and as far as 'your side started it...' (as you put it) i repeat:
when my boys were in 3rd grade, i didn't accept 'they did it first' as a defense for anything.
i find it repellent that adults use the same defense and think it is okay.
and as far as 'your side
April 6, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Newsbusterbrownand as far as 'your side started it...' (as you put it) i repeat:
when my boys were in 3rd grade, i didn't accept 'they did it first' as a defense for anything.
i find it repellent that adults use the same defense and think it is okay.
That's sounds very noble and everything, especially because it would help your side (I know, I know, you don't have a side) if we just allowed the Left to kick sand in our face. Sorry, but I'm not buying it.
BTW, your children wouldn't be able to defend themselves?
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Are you totally stupid or
April 6, 2008 - 15:37 ET by NL207Are you totally stupid or are you disingenuous? There are only two Dem choices: HRH Hillary and barack HUSSEIN obama. They both have records in the Senate. Its not hard to see who they really are.
So you will support and vote for the surviving Dem. This is the only conclusion I can draw from your statement, assuming you are not just plain stupid.
and mccain's senate record
April 6, 2008 - 15:46 ET by crsheddand mccain's senate record is different than what he is saying now.
i will wait til both sides are nominated and move toward the middle, where both sides are in reality, then make my choice.
Subverting the will . . .
April 6, 2008 - 13:31 ET by Galvanici find the idea of subverting the will of the voter's of either political party to be anti-democratic. it doesn't matter if the left or the right is doing it. . . . my vote is sacred. i use it to vote for the person who i feel will do the best job for america. sometimes that person may be liberal, sometimes they may be conservative.
Though I am no fan of Limbaugh, he's hardly subverting anyone's vote. Anyone who took his suggestions and voted in the Democractic primaries were enabled not by Limbaugh, but by the primary/caucus registration rules of the state DPs.
If anyone has subverted votes, it's the DNC, who declared that the Convention would not seat Michigan and Florida delegates if the Democratic primaries in those staes were held in January. The party that,to this day, rejects the result of '00 Election with accusations of everything from failure to count every vote, to the Supreme Court interference with the ballot counting, didn't hesitate to disenfranchise its own party members by refusing to count their votes.
my bad. because it is legal
April 6, 2008 - 14:58 ET by crsheddmy bad. because it is legal to do makes it morally and ethically right to do. you win.
crshedd, "my bad. because
April 6, 2008 - 15:24 ET by futbolisgreat1crshedd,
"my bad. because it is legal to do makes it morally and ethically right to do. you win."
1) I find it amusing that when the DailyKos and other Liberal websites where encouraging a similar strategy to have McCain nominated for the Republican side, YOU and the rest of the world were silent!!!! Now that Rush has encouraged the same, you attack? Talk about blalant HYPOCRISY!!! Where was your outraged back then? Where was the media outrage back then? Oh wait, since the MSM didn't tell you that Liberals were doing this in the Republican primary it wasn't happening, right?
2) Since when is it unethical and amoral to vote for someone you believe is going to be easier to defeat in the general election? Since when? Since when is it amoral to create chaos on the opposing party? In fact, I believe it is MY moral duty to create all type of chaos in the Democratic party since I don't want any Democrat to win the White House. This is FAR from being unethical or amoral.
3) I also find it amusing that Liberals are trying to stop Operation Chaos by trying to impose on voters Stalinist, Nazi like tactics. They want to force voters to tell them who they have voted for in the past and that if they vote differently they could be charged with a crime? eh?! The Liberal thought police is going to be out trying to figure out why and how you vote. Talk about voter intimidation. If not, they will have voters sign affidavits? nice, really nice.
So, in conclusion, Liberals, Democrats can create chaos in the Republican party. But if Conservatives try to do the same in the Republican party it all of a sudden becomes illegal, amoral, and unethical?
Please go cry you sad song to someone who cares. I am sure an Obama supporters will listen to your ranting.
It is amoral and unethical to no create chaos in the opposing party. It is amoral and unethical to not put up a fight against the pro-baby murder Presidential candidates, the pro-terrorist candidates, the anti-military, anti-USA candidates. yes, it is amoral and unethical to not fight every way we can Hillary and Obama and if causing chaos in their primary is one way to do it....IT IS MORE THAN ETHICAL AND MORAL!
1. how do you know i was
April 6, 2008 - 15:48 ET by crshedd1. how do you know i was silent? except on daily kos (which i find to be real boring to read, so i seldom visit it) i spoke up where i saw it.
2. because you vote for or against a paticular issue, or for one candidate over another. if people voted for clinton, the definition is that they support clinton. you don't vote for something or someone because you don't support it or them. definition and i point to definition 1:
http://aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/vote
3. i don't speak for anybody but myself. i cannot control those who think they speak for everybody. i never ask how anybody votes. we have a secret ballot (australian ballot) in america and i respect that.
if you would actually read my posts, you will notice i am against democrats doing the same thing.
it is immoral and/or unethical because when you vote for a candidate you are stating that this is the better candidate, in your opinion, over all others. if you don't believe that then you must be lying. lying, i beleive is immoral.
crshedd, 1) Ok, prove
April 7, 2008 - 17:47 ET by futbolisgreat1crshedd,
1) Ok, prove me wrong. Show me where you have stated in the past that the DailyKos and hte other Liberal outlets were amoral and unethical for pushing Liberals to vote for McCain.
2) In the primaries it is a totally different ball game than in general elections my friend. What the MSM and YOU are not telling people that creating chaos in the oppossing party during their primary run is as old in American politics as Apple Pie is to the American family. Please. Just because someone votes for McCain in the primary, it doesn't mean that they support him for the general election, same thing in the Democrat Party.
3) I have the RIGHT to vote for whom ever I please! You said it, it is a secret ballot, so why are you calling MY secret ballot amoral and unethical? care to tell me?
Answer these questions....
Why would I vote for McCain if he is already the Republican Presidential candidate? Care to tell me how this benefits him or the Republican party?
Does voting for Hillary over Obama, Operation Chaos, not benefit Republicans by making their primary longer and creating chaos within their party? YES! This benefits who? c'mon, c'mon now....who does it benefit? McCain! yes.....
It would be unethical and amorla of me not to make every single effort that I can to stop either one of the Democrat candidates from becoming President of the this great nation.
Go waste your vote by voting on McCain who we all know, it is a FACT, he is the Republican candidate. Let all those that want to create chaos in the Democrat party, create chaos for them.
Americans have the righ to to vote for whomever they please, right?
It is interesting though, how you have not called the attempts from the Democrat party to stop Operation Chaos, unethical and amoral. I mean, they are using Nazi like and Stalinist like tactics and here you are crying about how people want to vote.
WAKE UP! and address the real issues.....the Democrat Party being a communist, stalinist party that wants to force you to tell them how you vote and why....a party that wants exams, affidavits, etc filled out and signed before you exercise your right to vote.
Geez, you can write Mickey Mouse and that is your God given right to do.
crshedd,Oh please what a
April 7, 2008 - 17:58 ET by futbolisgreat1double....
crshedd, I like how you
April 7, 2008 - 18:09 ET by futbolisgreat1crshedd,
I like how you completly ignored your own link to the definition of vote.....especially number 3 in the definition....
right of suffrage......in the context that we are all talking about, in the context of Operation Chaos, vote means right of suffrage.
please, now open up a history book and find out what this means.
I am sure you are all upset and calling the Democrat Party amoral an unethical for trying to suppress the right of suffrage of Americans, right?
Tell me, where is the Constitutional law, the moral law, etc, etc that says, "you MUST vote for he/she that you will support in the general election." where can I find this? can you point me to it?
point me in the direction where I can find, "If you vote, you can't write in Mickey Mouse, you can't vote for someone that doesn't hold your own values."
c'mon, with the assertiveness that you are speaking with, there has to be a law, a written moral code, etc, etc that supports you, right?
while you are it, please point me to the place in the Constitution that says, "A person must sign an affidavit of who he/she supports before they vote. After voting they must show a political party who they voted for."
Your "outrage" is selective, ridiculous and amoral.
Subverting the will?
April 6, 2008 - 13:38 ET by CobraManNo one is "subverting the will" of voters as no one is forcing anyone to switch parties (or votes) through intimidation prior to the votes being cast or manipulation of the votes after they are cast. To insinuate that Operation Chaos is a subversion is to insinuate that Americans don't have the ability to vote for whomever they wish.
This isn't' some dictatorship were people are forced to vote for a particular candidate. This is America and anyone can vote for any candidate they wish, even if that candidate is in an opposing party. You may not like it and you may think it's subversive, but that’s the beauty of the free election system we have here in America.
force is not needed to
April 6, 2008 - 14:59 ET by crsheddforce is not needed to 'subvert'.
here is the definition. i think definition 2 is the appropriate one.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/subvert
DNC subverts the vote
April 6, 2008 - 15:04 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsforce is not needed to 'subvert'.
So you agree that the DNC has subverted the vote for all it's members.
Glad you have seen the light.
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i don't know where i said
April 6, 2008 - 15:15 ET by crsheddi don't know where i said the dnc subverted the vote, but, if you say so.
i assume you mean by not seating the michigan and florida delegates.
i do think the dnc overreacted. i think the gop did the right thing by cutting floridas delegates by half. since it is the dnc and the rnc (not state or federal government) that make the rules for the primary, it is hard to subvert votes if they follow their own rules.
Subverting the right to vote
April 6, 2008 - 19:17 ET by CobraManNo one is "subverting the will of the voters" by registering for a political party and voting in a primary, no matter who they voted for or what their reasons were for casting that vote. Do you believe that the will of the former registered republicans who register as a democrat and who cast a vote for Hillary in a democratic primary should be subverted and that those votes shouldn't count? If so, just who is really subverting the will of the voters, you or them?
There are those who believe that no one can ever switch political parties and that if you vote in just one Republican primary, you're considered a Republican for life and you shouldn't be allowed to switch parties. That's why people like President Reagan was considered a TRAITOR for switching his support from Democrats to Republicans and joining the Republican Party. They believe that criminal charges of fraudulent voting should be brought against people who may have been registered in one party in the past but now register and vote for a different party today. Is this your idea of non-subversion, not allowing people to make their own decisions and vote for whomever they wish?
The whole idea that people are subverting the voting process by asserting the rights to freely associate and vote for whomever they wish, for what reason they wish, is asinine. True subversion of voting rights (you know, the will of the voters) occurs when we restrict people from voting for any candidate they want, for whatever reason they feel is appropriate.
cr.... I see you are have
April 6, 2008 - 16:27 ET by bigtimercr....
I see you are have some kind of an on-going fight here with others...the only thing I am going to say about your post is do not say we all know every conservative here who says they will not vote for McCain will...every conservative here will not do that....albeit if we are in the minority or not...heck he has enough so-called moderates and some INDEDEPENDTS VOTING FOR HIM, WHICH MEANS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE...THAT HAS BEEN THEIR PLAN FROM DAY ONE...which will work it seems.
Btw...sorry about the capitialaztion....too lazy to correct it at the moment.
Just my two cents.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
just curious
April 6, 2008 - 20:30 ET by crsheddjust curious bigtimer.
does that mean SOME of these conservatives will actually sit out the election? i would find it hard to believe as politically active as everyone here is that they would just sit it out.
cr... I always vote...and
April 6, 2008 - 20:37 ET by bigtimercr...
I always vote...and still will.
House and Senate are important to me.
Just not for McCain...he has enough voters to cover him anyway.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Kos makes me laugh
April 6, 2008 - 12:41 ET by landsharkFrom the Kos link;
The entire idea of some sort of democratic revolt during this protracted race is so ridiculous it's funny...
Compare and contrast with this post at National Review; How Did We Reach The Point Where Air America Calls Hillary a 'Whore'?
Operation Chaos
April 6, 2008 - 13:37 ET by PyrthroesLimbaugh's "Operation Chaos" is serious but not solemn. Aside from keeping MzBill competitive in D-rat primaries by encouraging cross-over registrations as opponents sabotaged Republicans by trumping up McCain, this effort materially contributes to Mde. Hillary's delusions.
Considering Pennsylvania tallies as valid indicators of electability, this creature will press on despite the fact that her November totals could drop 20 - 25%. Having stiffed Obama to his Black Supremacists' chagrin, MzBill will find her feminist, hate-America, trans-gender constituencies poll maximum 45%. As Victor Davis Hanson says, La Raza, Gore-balonists, eco-wackos altogether will not suffice to stave off George McGovern's second coming.
In all but national defense, McCain is a classic RINO candidate. Bloomberg eventually 'fessed up... Big John's Veep choice will be defining. At the Naval Academy he graduated 594th out of 598, so don't expect more than boilerplate cliches. With luck, he'll be another Franklin Pierce or Benjamin Harrison-- spare us James Buchanan or Chester Alan Arthur, who traded Reconstruction for a mess of Dixiecrat potage.
Heigh-ho for 2012! We'll fight our way through 90-foot snowdrifts to the polls.
I'll not defend McCain's
April 6, 2008 - 14:31 ET by ConservativeRexI'll not defend McCain's RINO politics. I do not agree with most of his votes. However, I will not pile on him as the liberals are wont to do with any republican candidate.
For example: "McCain never served, he's a chicken hawk, and falsified his records so he wouldn't serve". Well, we all know that is one huge crock of crap. So the leftists obviously can't use this old canard.
For Example: "Why doesn't he send HIS kids to serve in Iraq and or Afghanistan, just another chicken hawk willing to send someone else's kids in to do what he doesn't want his to do"...again, this is a huge crock of crap. Lance Corporal Jimmy McCain has served a year in Iraq and is subject to return there in the future.
For Example: "He just doesn't care about our fallen soldiers" he took his son last year to visit a woman who had lost her son in Iraq, right before his son was to go to Iraq. This is just one instance I am aware of.
The leftists can't use a list of McCain-isms much less a whole website of them. He is well spoken.
The Leftist took that whole "100 year war" sentence completely out of context. Why in the world would McCain put his son in something such as that? Uhbama appears to be using this old canard a lot. Not working.
So, what have the leftists narrowed it down to? Age I suppose, they make fun of his age.
I have even read where these imbeciles have made fun of his teeth, not knowing or caring that they were knocked out by the Viet Cong as a POW.
Well, I'll vote for him over those other two nothings. I still believe we are heading for some kind of an internal upheaval in this country, but, we've survived one , we'll survive the next one.
i think the democrats will
April 6, 2008 - 15:23 ET by crsheddi think the democrats will hit mccain on issues like:
-he was against torture before he was for it
-he was for comprensive immigration reform (amnesty) before he was against it.
-he was for campaign finance reform before he was agains it
these are just a few thoughts off the top of my head (and lord knows i can't afford much from there).
I think McCain will hit the
April 6, 2008 - 15:28 ET by NL207I think McCain will hit the dems with: "I know EXACTLY what torture really is from first hand experience, and this cheesy crap in Gitmo isn't it."
Then McCain will imply the obvious question to the Dem Nominee, Sir: ahich side are you actually on? The Hussein side, or the Jeremiah Wright side, because you are surely not on our side.
The Dems are going to be destroyed this November in the White House race. It's a pity this will not extend to the Congress.
i would respectively
April 6, 2008 - 15:51 ET by crsheddi would respectively disagree. in my opinion it is the complete opposite.
i think the democrats will take the white house, but may have a little trouble holding congress.
as far as mccain and
April 6, 2008 - 15:59 ET by crsheddas far as mccain and waterboarding:
'Rudolph W. Giuliani’s statement on Wednesday that he was uncertain whether waterboarding, a simulated drowning technique, was torture drew a sharp rebuke yesterday from Senator John McCain, who said that his failure to call it torture reflected his inexperience.' (my emphasis) http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/26/us/politics/26giuliani.html
i think the democrats will
April 6, 2008 - 16:31 ET by ConservativeRexi think the democrats will hit mccain on issues like:
-he was against torture before he was for it
-he was for comprensive immigration reform (amnesty) before he was against it.
-he was for campaign finance reform before he was agains it
Hey..Einstein..I'll not cover reading comprehension with you. Did I or did not I not state I didn't agree with everything McCain has voted on?
I WANT him to be for waterboarding..the sooner the better.
I WISH like hell he was against illegal immigration to the point that I am. But he is not. Though, he IS heads and shoulders above the Neo-Stalinists he is running against.
McCain/Feingold is one of the WORST pieces of legislation to come down the pike in my lifetime.
So everything I stated in my earlier post still stands. They'll not touch him. Unlike the leftist on this blog, we on the Right DO call our politicians to task for whatever they have said or done while representing us. We don't rubber stamp, or look the other way when we knowingly see something wrong. Shedd...you'll have to try harder.
I think McCain's main
April 6, 2008 - 16:44 ET by BlazerI think McCain's main challenge is not so much responding to attack's and challenges from the left, but how he can go on the offensive and not come off as some crazy old codger,delivery will be everything, especially given his history of hot-headedness.
At any rate if Obama is the nominee, he so need's to take him to task on his remark's about the surge working because the Dem's were elected to Congress, that hypocrital crap deserves a long awaited rebuke. After that he need's to rub his nose in the crap that is his association with Rev. Wright.
Not that I'm for McCain or anything, but the whole lesser of two evil's thing.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
i won't cover reading comprehension with you either.
April 6, 2008 - 20:36 ET by crsheddi was responding to your post that you concluded that the ONLY thing democrats can hit mccain on was his age.
i was pointing out OTHER things, in my opinion, will also be thrown at mccain. and i bet he will be hurt on some of those points.
and even with the denounciation of mccain by most on this site, i am willing to bet most will still vote for mccain.
was that hard enough for you? i try not to get rude.
phew,......... hopefully
April 6, 2008 - 21:23 ET by Blazerphew,......... hopefully you wont' cover it cr, because damn if I didn't have a hard time comprehending your last post and now I feel alot better that were both in the understanding you have comprehension and literacy problem's.
Just the same, your damn right I'll vote for McCain, rather than a dyed in the wool hardcore communist-progressive like Barry Hussien Osama or Hillarious Clinton anyday , glad we cleared that up, kthnx.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
ConservativeRex...
April 7, 2008 - 18:04 ET by Jer"McCain never served, he's a chicken hawk, and falsified his records so he wouldn't serve."
I'm not asking for links, but where, and by whom, were such accusations made?
Jer
Rush the Vote
April 6, 2008 - 14:05 ET by masslibertarianWhen you get right down to it, all Rush did was take credit for the chaos the Dems created all by themselves with the collision of 40 years of identity politics and their Rube Goldberg contraption of a nomination proces. He tossed a little fuel on the fire, labeled it Operation Chaos, had the t-shirts printed and is laughing all the way to the bank. Bravo, Rush!
Remember a few short weeks ago when Rush was irrelevant after McCain beat him in the primary (even though he wasn't running)? Now he's apparently not only relevant but is picking the Dem nominee. Ha!
Excuse me....
April 6, 2008 - 14:50 ET by superconBecause of the free and open nature of our blog sites, these people
encourage democrats to openly fight with each other whenever they can.
I was a member of the Daily Kos for about one hour before I was banned.
Same thing with the Huffington Post and the Nation,Democratic Underground and Pandagon.
Everyone of them banned me in less than one one night.
Victory in Iraq.
Sewing seeds of discontent within the Democratic Party
April 6, 2008 - 14:54 ET by ThisnThatThis is nothing new. It's who the Dims are. Go back and take a look at 1968 -- much worse than anything going on today. I hold out hope, though, that they finally implode.
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I too wait for the msm to
April 6, 2008 - 15:40 ET by bigtimerI too wait for the msm to use the words Operation Chaos and what the real outcome of Rush and his listeners are having on the leftist party and the continuing in-fighting....anymore I find it nothing but sweet pleasure...let them intentionally ignore the real facts, which they of course really are not behind the scenes, they just have their talking points together and will never ever give credit where credit is due when it comes to Rush and his conservative followers....heheheee...is America great or what?
Last minute registration is what really tells it all...this is where I have nothing but a blast, listening to the msm that very day or the next, and they report it like it is a huge surge of dems who have finally seen the light and all gather round in unison to hurry and register....
Not hardly....lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Since I am registered as
April 6, 2008 - 16:20 ET by ricklailSince I am registered as unafilliated I can declare on May 6th as to what primary I want to vote in. I plan on voting for Hillary to keep Operation Chaos going. But I also want to vote in the Dem primary so I can vote against our currently Lt. Gov. for governor. She is a snake in the grass cut from the same mold as Hillary.
I talked my oldest daughter in changing her registration to unafilliated and she could do the same thing. I would watch for people in NC switching from Rep to unafilliated. Many just couldn't stand the thought of being a registered Dem.
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Operation Chaos
April 6, 2008 - 21:22 ET by CliffACliffA
Perhaps the person at Dailey Kos would be more credible if he/she knew the difference between "Sew" and "Sow".
From the Online Dictionary:
v. sewed, sewn (sn) or sewed, sew·ing, sews
v.tr.
1. To make, repair, or fasten by stitching, as with a needle and thread or a sewing machine: sew a dress; sew on a button.
2. To furnish with stitches for the purpose of closing, fastening, or attaching: sew an incision closed.
v.intr.
v. sowed, sown (sn) or sowed, sow·ing, sows
v.tr.
1. To scatter (seed) over the ground for growing.
2. To impregnate (a growing medium) with seed.
3. To propagate; disseminate: sow rumors.
4. To strew or cover with something; spread thickly.
Credit for the Chaos
April 7, 2008 - 05:12 ET by badger.If Limbaugh is responsible for the chaos within the Democratic party, it's just payback for the same old political tactics the Dems used on Republicans. Rules of fair play do not apply in politics, "All's fair in love and war".
If the Democrats are responsible for their own chaos, it proves to me, that their not worthy to lead anything. If the Democrats can't straighten out the mess in their own party, how in the world are they going to run this country and have any influence with the rest of the world. I realize the disorder the US is in right now, but we could be in a bigger mess if either of the Democrats are elected.
McCain is not my ideal presidential candidate of choice either, but he is by far the better out of the three. McCain has proven to me that he is no pussycat. People say things like McCain was a poor pilot who lost 5 aircraft, blah blah blah. At least he endured the Naval Academy, served his country and suffered through Hanoi Hilton. Definitely "Ford tough" in my book.
I agree that John McCain is no brain surgeon for sure, but neither is Obama or Clinton. I am sure McCain's admiral daddy had friends in high places, but McCain had to have had good grades just to be competitive for the Naval Academy. McCain had to endure the regimental demands and rigorous academic burdens placed on him on a daily basis, or he would have been booted out quick. Especially in the old 1950's, no calculator, no computer, slide rule only.
People laugh that McCain was 894 out of a class of 899. So what, big deal. Patton and Custer were both poor students at the bottom of the class and went on to become famous Generals. Edgar Allan Poe and LSD man Timothy Leary were both Military Academy drops, proves nothing. Many people might disagree, but the Naval Academy like West Point are no joke! Just graduating from either school is an accomplishment to be proud of.